Re: great article

[Guest guest]

glorydaze21 wrote:

although occasionally I get

REALLY strong cravings for things like cake and chocolate - and I

just have to succumb! Food just tastes so good when you're not

shoving it down your throat all the time.

yes eventhough I can not admit to being a croner, I have noticed this

as well, mostly the sweetness of vegetables that before I would not

have thought of as sweet, your taste changes when you change your diet.

positive Dennis

One thing I've been wondering about: How does exercise play into a

daily CR routine? I don't exercise to lose weight, I do it because

being fit feels good, so should I eat a little more on the days that

I burn extra calories during exercise?

Thanks, and good luck to all!

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Marsha Becco wrote:

My BH intake, with exercise, should be 1950; my BE base is

1750; to lose, I must be under 1250. 1750-1250 equals 500 calories

times 7 days is 3500 calories or one pound.

actually as an obese person eating what you are supposed to for your

height (which BTW is filling with error we are too different) should

result in weight loss. You may be consuming too few calories at this

time, as your doctor.

I am looking forward to the support of this group because

sometimes it gets very hard to stay motivated.

amen sister. (Since you do not know me let me add that this is a joke)

I too am trying to get down to a normal weight, I have lost 30 lbs but

alas gained back 6. At least I am now overweight and not obese. I am

starting up again, Good luck to us both.

positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

Let me edit

Dennis De Jarnette wrote:

Actually as an obese person eating what you are supposed to for your

height (which BTW is filled with error we are too different) should

result in weight loss. You may be consuming too few calories at this

time, ask your doctor.

Sorry

Positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

Hi,

If you're really eating only 1500 calories a day,

(It's difficult to estimate without doing some rigorous calculations

like weighing food, writing down every little thing you eat)

then you will be losing weight.

It takes probably 6 months to reprogram your metabolism, first to

burn away the fat, then to produce less heat, and finally to elicit a

DNA response that your body really is in 'starvation mode'.

The DNA response is really the key here-not weight, not calories, or

free radicals-although they must add something.

The more weight you lose in the beginning, the worse off you'll be.

The goal is to keep as much weight on, eating a few calories as

possible. Sounds strange. The only way to do that is to decrease

metabolic needs. You will become extremely thin, with very little

visible body fat anywhere. If you begin to look like a holocaust

victim, chances are you are on your way, but if you go for a checkup,

and lab tests find you decifient in nutrients, then you are worse off

than someone on a typical diet. The goal is to crowd out junk food

with better foods at first (like fruits and vegetables), then (once

you've eliminated junk food), start substituting low nutrient food

(like breads and cereals or cheese) with high nutrient foods (like

strawberries and spinach or seaweed or yeast).

Also, realize that it has a cost involved. Sex function, and sex

drive are diminished or absent (due to decreased hormone levels),

heat storing ability is reduced, (always feel cold), wound healing

ability is decreased, etc. Prolonged starvation and reproduction are

polar opposites. (evolution: not enough food for you, definitely not

enough for offspring).

Also remember that this is just a theory. You might not live to 100

if you have certain genes, but you'll probably be better off.

If you are lucky, you might add 10-20 years of quality lifespan-but

it isn't a given. Some say that humans with all their medical

support systems (than animals don't have access to), have already

pushed up the upper limit on lifespan. 30 or 40 more years seems

wishful thinking in my opinion. There are mechanical design flaws in

the human body that aren't present in other animals, that could be

the limiting factor in human lifespan. One thing that is certain, is

that you will reduce or eliminate the chance of age related problems

like cancer and diabetes, and other things.

Another thing that is rarely talked about is how good are you at

enjoying life. If you rarely go out, and sleep quite a bit and live

to 110- you have lived less than someone who is very active up until

the age of 90. If you find yourself living in a world at the tail

end of the 21st century when easy access to needed human resources

creates a very tough life (health care, basic needs like housing and

food)-remember you might be sharing things with 14 to 20 billion

other people at that time-you might not be able to enjoy yourself

either or want to be around. (Think of a bathrooms getting used by

too many people in a public place-usually not pleasant). As more and

more of us are around, we are going to put increasing pressure on the

world to produce for our needs, eliminating seemingly unnecessary

habitat as we go (like rain forests), on gov't to sustain us (eg.

social security). The current thinking is more and more to

acknowledge that we are setting ourselves up for a massive population

crash, not unlike what happens to deer populations. Is it ethical to

have lots of 120 yr old people in this situation that extreme CR

might produce?

These are all questions you must answer for yourself.

Everyone dies, CR will not change that. It is an inescapable fact,

but trying to project your same consciousness beyond the destruction

of your brain tissue is really an ill-formed concept, and one that

causes most of the discontinuity people feel in thinking about death,

or life after death. If CR is merely a way to delay the day that you

have to deal with that fact, it might not be a worthy goal. But if

it is a way to squeeze out a few extra years of an already happy

life, and you can live with the side effects, it is worth doing.

[Guest guest]

Joe: not necessarily. Moderate CR is another way to go.

on 5/5/2004 12:48 AM, joe_lystad at joe_lystad@... wrote:

> You will become extremely thin, with very little

> visible body fat anywhere. If you begin to look like a holocaust

> victim, chances are you are on your way, but if you go for a checkup,

> and lab tests find you decifient in nutrients, then you are worse off

> than someone on a typical diet. The goal is to crowd out junk food

> with better foods at first (like fruits and vegetables), then (once

> you've eliminated junk food), start substituting low nutrient food

> (like breads and cereals or cheese) with high nutrient foods (like

> strawberries and spinach or seaweed or yeast).

>

> Also, realize that it has a cost involved. Sex function, and sex

> drive are diminished or absent (due to decreased hormone levels),

> heat storing ability is reduced, (always feel cold), wound healing

> ability is decreased, etc. Prolonged starvation and reproduction are

> polar opposites. (evolution: not enough food for you, definitely not

> enough for offspring).

[Guest guest]

Marsha: my hat is off to you and several other newbies who posted that they

are grossly overweight. You are very courageous. Congratulations on the

loss of your first 20 pounds!!!!

Good luck in your venture to get healthier. We have many recipes and ideas

in our files as well as links to other healthy recipe sites. We also have a

great " links " page (currently under construction). I hope you take

advantage of them.

Not sure where you heard the term " caloric poisoning " . It sounds like

something an anorectic might say.

on 5/4/2004 3:30 PM, Marsha Becco at beccous@... wrote:

> I joined after reading the current articles but I have been doing a CR regimen

> since 1 Feb.

> I am a 60 year old female, grossly overweight. I am trying to keep my

> calories under 1250 a day because that is what my BH index says that I must do

> to lose 1 lb a week safely. Because of medical conditions, my chief form of

> exercise is swimming.

> This puts me into a CR routine, although I had not heard of CR. Your general

> recommendations seem to follow the Benedict- formula for BME.

> It seems to be reasonable that if one establishes one's base caloric needs

> then it would be healthy to stay at that point. I read one article that

> mentioned " caloric poisoning. " Intake over the BH max would " poison " the

> system.

> My BH intake, with exercise, should be 1950; my BE base is 1750; to lose, I

> must be under 1250. 1750-1250 equals 500 calories times 7 days is 3500

> calories or one pound.

> I am looking forward to the support of this group because sometimes it gets

> very hard to stay motivated. I want to find recipes and ideas from others

> doing the same thing.

> I have lost 20 lbs since 1 Feb.

> Marsha

>

> glorydaze21 <twood04@...> wrote:

> Hi I just signed up to this group after reading the Post article.

> Good stuff!