Re: sugar cravings (was: vegan/vegetarian and CR approach)

[Guest guest]

We cook with/use sucralose or Splenda or eat fruit instead. See our

extensive " dessert " recipes in the links section of our website.

on 5/10/2004 6:28 PM, maddyveggie at maddyveggie@... wrote:

> But how do you reduce the calories and the CRAVINGS for sweets on CR

> method?

>

> a newbies question for sure.....

[Guest guest]

I read somewhere that Splenda can cause cancer and kidney disease.

[Guest guest]

Bing: Be assured that we have thoroughly researched splenda and sucralose

and they are very safe. No doubt Warren will post shortly with the studies

of sucralose.

I encourage all newbies to ask questions, but when you ask, please try to

back up your statements with credible sources. The sources we use here are

up to date scientific info (such as published in Pubmed), and other

scientific studies, and from people who are well respected in the

mainstream scientific community. Dr Walford of course was one such example.

on 5/10/2004 8:13 PM, bing772@... at bing772@... wrote:

> I read somewhere that Splenda can cause cancer and kidney disease.

[Guest guest]

Here is the article I read:

Sucralose Toxicity Information Center

Address:

http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ Changed:7:47 AM on Tuesday, May 11,

2004

I disagree with some of what Mercola writes about nutrition and

medicine. However, his argument is that there have been no long-term

studies of sucralose, and that drugs like aspartane and thalidomide may

appear to be harmless at first, and that it takes time for problems to

appear. He claims that there have no independent studies. He claims that

splenda is like a cholorinated pesticide. I don't know enough about

chemistry to know if that is true or false. He does cite a study in New

Scientist showing problems with sucralose.

I agree that it is generally a good idea to use mainstream

scientific studies, but what do you do when no independent long-term

studies have been done? Often, the only money for scientific studies

comes from drug companies or manufacturers.

A similar situation exists with the Atkins Diet. A few short term

studies seem to show that it lowers cholesterol and blood pressure and

reduces weight, but many suspect that in the long run, people will gain

the weight back and be at risk for diabetes, heart attack, stroke,

kidney disease, and cancer.

I look forward to reading all the information which people will post

about sucralose.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bing:

Directly from the FDA:

" In determining the safety of sucralose, FDA reviewed data from more

than 110 studies in humans and animals. Many of the studies were

designed to identify possible toxic effects including carcinogenic,

reproductive and neurological effects. No such effects were found,

and FDA's approval is based on its finding that sucralose is safe for

human consumption. "

If you want to take Mercola's word for it over the FDA's review of

110 studies of its safety, feel free. We know for sure that calories

are toxic.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00859.html

http://snipurl.com/6ay9

Rodney.

> Here is the article I read:

>

> Sucralose Toxicity Information Center

> Address:

> http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ Changed:7:47 AM on Tuesday, May

11,

> 2004

>

> I disagree with some of what Mercola writes about nutrition and

> medicine. However, his argument is that there have been no long-term

> studies of sucralose, and that drugs like aspartane and thalidomide

may

> appear to be harmless at first, and that it takes time for problems

to

> appear. He claims that there have no independent studies. He claims

that

> splenda is like a cholorinated pesticide. I don't know enough about

> chemistry to know if that is true or false. He does cite a study in

New

> Scientist showing problems with sucralose.

>

> I agree that it is generally a good idea to use mainstream

> scientific studies, but what do you do when no independent long-term

> studies have been done? Often, the only money for scientific studies

> comes from drug companies or manufacturers.

>

> A similar situation exists with the Atkins Diet. A few short

term

> studies seem to show that it lowers cholesterol and blood pressure

and

> reduces weight, but many suspect that in the long run, people will

gain

> the weight back and be at risk for diabetes, heart attack, stroke,

> kidney disease, and cancer.

>

> I look forward to reading all the information which people will

post

> about sucralose.

[Guest guest]

I read the source you cited below. I also looked around the site for

exactly who the author was and their credentials. Couldn't find any.

No one actually puts their name and credentials on this site. They point to

the Mercola link (not much to respect IMHO) but don't say they're

affiliated. Or else it's so well hidden that I just couldn't find it.

All the above are tipoffs to beware. Anyone can put up a website. And

practically everyone does! Be smart about what you choose to believe. I

did notice they ask for donations at this site and am leery of that.

on 5/11/2004 8:00 AM, bing772@... at bing772@... wrote:

> Here is the article I read:

>

> Sucralose Toxicity Information Center

> Address:

> http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ Changed:7:47 AM on Tuesday, May 11,

> 2004

[Guest guest]

This site isn't completely happy with the FDA and how it operates:

http://tinylink.com/?lJ0awLUuvA

And - a link on that site points to this information, siting

instances of FDA mistakes, shoddy practices, etc:

http://tinylink.com/?QU6dzXtOhP

Who to believe? As usual, there is probably not one right or wrong

answer to the Sucralose question, and blind trust can be dangerous.

Perhaps it's best to advise to search for as much information as

possible, then make as much of an informed decision as possible,

based on the information gathered. Weigh the advantages against the

disadvantages, and decide for yourself whether or not any advantage

is worth the possible risk(s). I like the common-sense approach of

the gentleman who decided to forgo any added sweetener altogether -

not that I'd EVER be able to do it, but it makes sense if you're

stuck between a rock and a hard place (i.e., trying to eat little or

not added sweetening, but wary of sugar " replacements " )

BJ

>

> > Here is the article I read:

> >

> > Sucralose Toxicity Information Center

> > Address:

> > http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ Changed:7:47 AM on Tuesday,

May 11,

> > 2004