Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 > I visited the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and they are curing people with EHS. > It's not cheep....but it works. And what methods are they using there? I suspect there are practitioners all around the world curing people with EHS, and that one needn't go all the way to Switerland. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 How can we find out what they are doing to cure ES?? I have never met anyone who was cured, only better from staying away from everything. Estelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 > How can we find out what they are doing to cure ES?? I have never met > anyone who was cured, only better from staying away from everything. We've had people on this group who cured themselves of their ES -- they're no longer here, though... they lost interest in the subject.... Some people are reportedly cured by doing something as simple as removing their " silver " dental fillings from their mouth. Unfortunately, it's not that easy for some of us... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 all so anecdotal I am afraid - puk In a message dated 06/10/2011 18:30:26 GMT Daylight Time, marc@... writes: How can we find out what they are doing to cure ES?? I have never met > anyone who was cured, only better from staying away from everything. We've had people on this group who cured themselves of their ES -- they're no longer here, though... they lost interest in the subject.... Some people are reportedly cured by doing something as simple as removing their " silver " dental fillings from their mouth. Unfortunately, it's not that easy for some of us... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 cure is a subjective state, look at steve jobbs,it was reported he was cured of pancreatic cancer some years ago ! puk In a message dated 06/10/2011 18:30:26 GMT Daylight Time, marc@... writes: How can we find out what they are doing to cure ES?? I have never met > anyone who was cured, only better from staying away from everything. We've had people on this group who cured themselves of their ES -- they're no longer here, though... they lost interest in the subject.... Some people are reportedly cured by doing something as simple as removing their " silver " dental fillings from their mouth. Unfortunately, it's not that easy for some of us... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 ok where is the god damn evidence for this ! I recently cured a young man of his fear of the dark, there was nothing wrong with him he was simply scared of the dark. Forgive me for this but over the 12 yrs that I have suffered the vagaries of being sensitive to emr, I have come across so many people that seem high on the affliction, they make a lot of noise and then you dont here of them for dust - perhaps they move on to the next attention grabbing gravy train - I am sorry but I am cynical. puk In a message dated 06/10/2011 17:44:00 GMT Daylight Time, marc@... writes: I visited the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and they are curing people with EHS. > It's not cheep....but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Nothing anecdotal. I have proven recovery with measuring medical markers every week. When yoy had taken the trouble of reading, you could have seen that. I have proven, that that a DECT raises the fat content of the liver among others, while the Claesmog has restored that, within 30 minutes. But you refused to find that out yourself. One of my test persons reported me tonight, that his sister who suffers from fibromyalgia feels 60% better after two weeks. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Cures for EHS all so anecdotal I am afraid - puk In a message dated 06/10/2011 18:30:26 GMT Daylight Time, marc@... writes: How can we find out what they are doing to cure ES?? I have never met > anyone who was cured, only better from staying away from everything. We've had people on this group who cured themselves of their ES -- they're no longer here, though... they lost interest in the subject.... Some people are reportedly cured by doing something as simple as removing their " silver " dental fillings from their mouth. Unfortunately, it's not that easy for some of us... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Hey, . I'm wondering what you've done for recovery. Sthg about Claesmog? Could you give more specific instructions/suggestions? It's hard for me to keep up w/ posts b/c of the electrosensitivity itself,  &  also I joined very recently. I'd love to hear what you did for recovery, & if you've already described it in depth in other posts, could you please refer me to those specific posts, if possible? Thanks very much -E. Drew From: charles <charles@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 5:32 PM  Nothing anecdotal. I have proven recovery with measuring medical markers every week. When yoy had taken the trouble of reading, you could have seen that. I have proven, that that a DECT raises the fat content of the liver among others, while the Claesmog has restored that, within 30 minutes. But you refused to find that out yourself. One of my test persons reported me tonight, that his sister who suffers from fibromyalgia feels 60% better after two weeks. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Cures for EHS all so anecdotal I am afraid - puk In a message dated 06/10/2011 18:30:26 GMT Daylight Time, marc@... writes: How can we find out what they are doing to cure ES?? I have never met > anyone who was cured, only better from staying away from everything. We've had people on this group who cured themselves of their ES -- they're no longer here, though... they lost interest in the subject.... Some people are reportedly cured by doing something as simple as removing their " silver " dental fillings from their mouth. Unfortunately, it's not that easy for some of us... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 > Hey, . I'm wondering what you've done for recovery. He's got a web page listing the 25 items he mentioned: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina401.html Of the people who have reported improvement / cures, the steps they took usually addressed the same sorts of issues. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Has anyone got any experience or knowledge of this? Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 9:43 AM  > I visited the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and they are curing people with EHS. > It's not cheep....but it works. And what methods are they using there? I suspect there are practitioners all around the world curing people with EHS, and that one needn't go all the way to Switerland. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Loni, I'm so sorry. If you consider a medicine. Please have a thorough physical w bloodwork to make sure you don't have a true physical cause other than ES. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_neuropathyI This mentions diabetas, liver & more. I'm seeing some symptoms I need to know about. My doc. talked about gabapenten that's used to heal damaged nerves from shingles You might need it compounded no matter what they consider. . Praying for you. Kathy From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 9:43 AM  > I visited the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and they are curing people with EHS. > It's not cheep....but it works. And what methods are they using there? I suspect there are practitioners all around the world curing people with EHS, and that one needn't go all the way to Switerland. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Loni, I would use extreme caution with ANY prescription medicines. Most of them are very high in FLUORIDE. Fluoride shuts down the thyroid. Lizzie From: loni326@... Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:46:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Has anyone got any experience or knowledge of this? Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 9:43 AM > I visited the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and they are curing people with EHS. > It's not cheep....but it works. And what methods are they using there? I suspect there are practitioners all around the world curing people with EHS, and that one needn't go all the way to Switerland. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 there are various anti-depressant and epileptic drugs that can dampen down nerve activity, but hey if you want to go down that route then so be it, I would rather have the burning skin that lets me know that I should leave the area - you will still have all the other symptoms minus a few stress signals, with the drugs, plus the side effects from the drugs and addictive issues you will just be shutting down your bodies early warning system ie tingling, itching etc.. basically a boiled frog like all the rest. puk In a message dated 11/10/2011 23:44:45 GMT Daylight Time, lizt777@... writes: Loni, I would use extreme caution with ANY prescription medicines. Most of them are very high in FLUORIDE. Fluoride shuts down the thyroid. Lizzie _ _ (mailto: ) From: _loni326@..._ (mailto:loni326@...) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:46:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Has anyone got any experience or knowledge of this? Loni From: Marc <_marc@..._ (mailto:marc@...) > Subject: Re: Cures for EHS _ _ (mailto: ) Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 9:43 AM > I visited the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and they are curing people with EHS. > It's not cheep....but it works. And what methods are they using there? I suspect there are practitioners all around the world curing people with EHS, and that one needn't go all the way to Switerland. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 > Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that > antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face burning " ? I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if that might help.  I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit the grounding or not.  Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.  Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM  > Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that > antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face burning " ? I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 > Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I > just feel like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding > myself and see if that might help. Just remember that some people who've tried those grounding sheets got worse, not better. Although it's possible that all of those people were using the ground plug in a power outlet, and not actual dirt/ground. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Loni, I know what you are talking about. I sustained high exposure over a long period of time (10 years) from a hidden cell tower a block away beaming at me through my windows. After my resistance totally broke down, I became so sensitized to the radiation that I could feel the waves hitting my skin, and it hurt so bad!!! It went beyond pinching and burning, to rashes on my arms, legs, feet, face, behind the ears, chest, abdomen. And my skin would turn beat red. Then as time went on, it started to feel like I was getting bruised and beaten. When I get exposed to stong waves, I actually feel like I am beaing beaten up it hurts so bad. I moved away from the direct beam but am still being exposed in my apt and everywhere I go in the city. I am still trying to heal. But, the body has a memory. As soon as I am in an area where the radiation is allowed to build up in my body, which can happen in a matter of minutes, depending on how strong the radiation is: it starts with pinching, then burning, then the feel of bruising. I don't actually see bruises on my skin, it just feels like I have been bruised and I hurt all over and feel sore, like I have been beaten up. I feel like filing ASSAULT charges against the cell phone companies for what they are doing to me and destroying my life. I am outraged that I did not know about a hidden cell tower nearby. That is criminal. And I see it happening all over the city where a high percentage of the new apartment buildings being built will have cell towers on the roof, hidden behind what is made to look like an elevator shaft. I feel so sorry for the people living in those buildings who are unaware of what they are being subjected to. I feel sorry for myself for having to live like a wireless refugee. As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some serious healing therapy. C. Superdrove From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM > Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that > antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face burning " ? I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc. Marc . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 when you use the word healing I assume that you are looking to be rid of ES (DONT LIKE THE WORD CURE), in my experience of of 10-13yrs ES, I have dropped the healing bit in turn for sheilding, protection, aspirations for general health improvement, not having a job that tops me up all the time and so on, I have found that it does not take much to undo all the good work, so its snakes and ladders - for example my neighbour has just kitted out his back yard with compact flourescent floodlights, twice now I have felt stinging around my eyes,cheeks and scalp, on both ocassions I have asked if anyone in the house has a mobile on etc but nothing, then going to the back door I see the lights have been triggered on, I cant belive that they would cause such a reaction from 6-7m away but its looking likely. I have just secured a job as a building surveyor (2 month contract) after 2 yrs unemployed so its time to fry again ! I should be jubilant but they do not know my ES secret, so I will being greeting my old friend - fatigue and all the other Es symptoms on mass very soon - lets hope I can see it through and get some money in. One thing is for sure the issue of stress is integral in ES, if you are stressed then you will have cortisol, adrenalin in your system and this will undoutedly fuel the metabolic reations making them worse or rather catylising the effects. puk In a message dated 13/10/2011 07:12:36 GMT Daylight Time, superdrove@... writes: As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some serious healing therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi , I don't like the word cure either, tho I have personally seen a lot of healing and know it is doable. So looking for healing is a good thing; looking for a cure might be unattainable. You are right, it doesn't take a lot to overturn advances in healing, so it is very important to also use avoidance while using techniques to heal. This is particularly true in the early stages of healing. I hope your temporary work doesn't do you in. I pray it will be easier on you than you think. I find for myself, that emotional stress has sometimes done me in faster than the actual ES stress, so I have adopted coping mechanisms to try to deal with my emotions: I try to never judge an ES situation before hand. I intend and hope it goes well and easily for me and try to leave any other thoughts or decisions on what might happen behind. I try to keep myself distracted and focused elsewhere. When I didn't do this, or when I got to a situation and asked myself if ES was bothering me, it always seemed to. However, I learned I don't notice it as much when I am distracted and don't allow myself to focus on it. Now, this is a coping mechanism, it is not designed to be a health strategy; it is still healthier not to be in areas of bad emfs. You will still get ES stress; what you will not get doing this is emotional stress on top of the ES stress.   Another thing you can do is to double up on helpful nutrients which you know emfs deplete. I also carry some of these nutrients with me and take them thru-out the day. [For me, personally, calcium and pantethine (B5) are really essential. Vit C and electrolyte drops (including trace minerals) I also often carry with me.] I hope this job is a true blessing; good luck, , Diane ________________________________ From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:53 AM Subject: Re: Cures for EHS  when you use the word healing I assume that you are looking to be rid of ES (DONT LIKE THE WORD CURE), in my experience of of 10-13yrs ES, I have dropped the healing bit in turn for sheilding, protection, aspirations for general health improvement, not having a job that tops me up all the time and so on, I have found that it does not take much to undo all the good work, so its snakes and ladders - for example my neighbour has just kitted out his back yard with compact flourescent floodlights, twice now I have felt stinging around my eyes,cheeks and scalp, on both ocassions I have asked if anyone in the house has a mobile on etc but nothing, then going to the back door I see the lights have been triggered on, I cant belive that they would cause such a reaction from 6-7m away but its looking likely. I have just secured a job as a building surveyor (2 month contract) after 2 yrs unemployed so its time to fry again ! I should be jubilant but they do not know my ES secret, so I will being greeting my old friend - fatigue and all the other Es symptoms on mass very soon - lets hope I can see it through and get some money in. One thing is for sure the issue of stress is integral in ES, if you are stressed then you will have cortisol, adrenalin in your system and this will undoutedly fuel the metabolic reations making them worse or rather catylising the effects. puk In a message dated 13/10/2011 07:12:36 GMT Daylight Time, superdrove@... writes: As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some serious healing therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi Cab, Sorry to hear how ill you have been. You write: <As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some serious healing therapy.> Me: Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more). You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to: build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin); support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [i am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten]) pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover. address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to truly detox  MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.] A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops. It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [i am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come. Bless you and good luck, Diane ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 And certainly do not look at my 25 points plan. Suppose it helps? No. Can't be. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Cures for EHS Hi Cab, Sorry to hear how ill you have been. You write: <As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some serious healing therapy.> Me: Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more). You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to: build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin); support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [i am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten]) pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover. address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to truly detox MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.] A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops. It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [i am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come. Bless you and good luck, Diane ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi, , Not true! I have looked at your 25 points plan and I liked it! I just didn't think to mention it; much of it is also in " my "  ? 7 ? to ? 9 ? points plan.  Seriously, I looked at what you wrote and it hit most of the main points I would personally do again for healing. I don't necessarily think one needs to use exactly the same therapies (you use a particular footbath/ I used homeopathy for detox, for instance). I agree that your program likely works well for most people who are not train wrecks before you get a hold of them. I still think one cannot accomplish your program in 2 weeks (sorry), as you have claimed, and I think your program might take quite a while for some who are particularly ill. But overall, , I was very impressed. I wanted to write and tell you so, but I was very sleepy the night I read it (it is still flagged, along with about 20 other posts, for me to respond to). I asked about the " gizmo " you are working on a few weeks ago. You never answered my question. I was not being snide, I was truly interested. If you would be more trusting, you might find people would be very accepting of your ideas and work.  Diane ________________________________ From: charles <charles@...> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Cures for EHS  And certainly do not look at my 25 points plan. Suppose it helps? No. Can't be. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Cures for EHS Hi Cab, Sorry to hear how ill you have been. You write: <As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some serious healing therapy.> Me: Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more). You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to: build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin); support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [i am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten]) pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover. address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to truly detox MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.] A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops. It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [i am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come. Bless you and good luck, Diane ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi, Loni, I used to have problems with vibrations in my body building up at night. I also had the skin burning, but that was during the day. Both responded to B12 for me. Have you tried B12 at night before bed? I took a methyl-cobalamin sublingual. You might require a lot at first. After a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts. Diane ________________________________ From: Loni <loni326@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Cures for EHS  Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if that might help.  I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit the grounding or not.  Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.  Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM  > Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that > antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face burning " ? I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi Diane,  I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more. Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Cures for EHS Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM  > Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that > antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning! Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face burning " ? I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 We have purchased a Faraday Cage Canopy from lessemf at a cost of around $900 US and used it for the 23 day sea voyage home to Australia and it was the saving grace for my wife getting home without the side effects she suffers from cell phones and wifi etc. which is constriction of the brain resulting in headaches. The canopy is supposed to stop cell phone and may be of assiatnce to you - ring lessemf and talk to them about your symptoms. Cheers Graeme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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