Re: Cures for EHS

[Guest guest]

Have you tried B12 at night before bed? I took

a methyl-cobalamin sublingual. You might require a lot at first. After

a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts.

Diane,

In addition to many supplements, I give myself B-Complex with Methylcobalamin

shots in the butt about every 2 weeks.  I also take B12 liquid under my tongue

on occasion, n between. 

But, B12 is supposed to be an energy booster and I normally never give myself an

Vitamin B complex injection or B12 sublingual after 3:00 pm.  If you are taking

it before bed, I don't think that is generally advisable, espicially if you have

insomnia problems.  It is usually supposed to be taken when you need a boost of

energy.

<snip>

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb12/

Energy and endurance

Due to its role in energy

metabolism, vitamin B12 is frequently promoted as an energy enhancer

and an athletic performance and endurance booster.

C.

Superdrove

_._,___

[Guest guest]

Hello Diane,

my gizmo is the ClaeSmog, which I presented 1th October.

Quite anumber of people ar testing it at the moment, and I am fine-tuning it.

Most electrosensitives di react quite favourably to it, but others, who did

nothing for detox do experience Herxheimer reactions.

For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are coming free,

and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.

All of them report excellent sleeping.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Cures for EHS

Hi Cab,

Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

You write:

<As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has

gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I

need some serious healing therapy.>

Me:

Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I

have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without

avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding

myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural

place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing

liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH

imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more).

You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with

detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to:

build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and

skin);

support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you

know are already weak or struggling; and

strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [i am

missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten])

pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential.

Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.

address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this

is accomplished can you expect to

truly detox

MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with.

Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not

free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a

number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with

it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you

can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]

A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start

if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist.

IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy

you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of

this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people

who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do

less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull

out all the stops.

It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same

time. [i am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave

$thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will

ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might,

because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save

time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper

and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or

incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important

and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to

do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times.

I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be

most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve

greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.

Bless you and good luck,

Diane

________________________________

[Guest guest]

> For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are

> coming free, and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.

Yes, that's a problem I've experienced with other EMF protection

devices -- you can tell that they are helpful, but then you have

to stop using them because you can't stand the detox side

effects.

What I need to find is the perfect (no side effects) toxin-binding

substance. I've tried a bunch of things, but not thrilled with

any of them...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ,

for the info on your Claesmog protector.  I went and read the info you shared

at your site on Oct 1st.  Truly interesting.  What methods are you using for

testing all these health parameters?  Rife?  (An impressive list, I have to

say; and you can measure them all?!  Very interesting!)  I have read Hulda

's work so I know a tiny little bit about the diagnostics of it.)  You

mentioned on your site that you were getting a new method to test them.  What

also is the new method you are using? 

I would also like to understand

more about what makes your Claesmog vile unique, please: it works by adding

healthful frequencies to the wearer, correct?  Does it work somewhat like

wearing a particular stone/ gem necklace, only it is much more finely tuned and

accurate (and needs no clearing or

cleaning)?  Did I understand correctly that you mix what is in the Claesmog

vial according to the parameters of each persons measurements (height/ weight/

sex)?  Or do you use more health parameters, or is the vial a " one size fits

all " approach?  And do you now sell these, and for how much, or are they not

yet for sale?  (How can we try one?)  Sorry for all the questions. 

Thanks again, .  I wish you every success with your Claesmog vile,

Diane

________________________________

From: charles <charles@...>

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

 

Hello Diane,

my gizmo is the ClaeSmog, which I presented 1th October.

Quite anumber of people ar testing it at the moment, and I am fine-tuning it.

Most electrosensitives di react quite favourably to it, but others, who did

nothing for detox do experience Herxheimer reactions.

For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are coming free,

and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.

All of them report excellent sleeping.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Cures for EHS

Hi Cab,

Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

You write:

<As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has

gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I

need some serious healing therapy.>

Me:

Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have

without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance.

I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself

often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place

as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver

and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance,

or serious detox (and a lot more).

You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with

detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to:

build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and

skin);

support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know

are already weak or struggling; and

strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [i am

missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten])

pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential.

Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.

address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is

accomplished can you expect to

truly detox

MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with.

Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not

free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a

number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with

it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you

can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]

A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if

you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO,

don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you

should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this

info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who

have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less

of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out

all the stops.

It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same

time. [i am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave

$thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will

ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might,

because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save

time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper

and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or

incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important

and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to

do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times.

I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be

most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve

greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.

Bless you and good luck,

Diane

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi, Loni,

 

You very well may not be

taking enough B12.  However, there are

also other things to consider.  The

following is a compilation of factors which influence nerve health which I

compiled

for my own use some time ago.  This might

help you figure out what would help you with your neuropathy (that is the

likely cause of your burning and my vibrations):

 

High on the list of suspects

are B12, thiamine (B1), B6, and folic acid (deficiencies or excesses [except

for B12; there are no known symptoms for B12 excess]).  Also one needs to

balance all of the B

vitamins—they support each other, but too much of one can cause an imbalance

with the others; add a natural full spectrum B 50 or B100 when you take stand

alone supplements of any Bs, including B12.  And there are also the

bioflavinoids, etc, which need to be

considered—inositol, biotin, choline, etc, which are in a full spectrum B, and

other nutrients such as gamma

linoleic acid, alpha lipoic acid, and acetyl l-carnitine which usually are not

but are helpful in various ways.

 

Also, electrolytes are needed

for nerve health—phosphorus, potassium, sodium, magnesium, and calcium AEP;

and

these, too, need balanced.  Vitamin C,

zinc, and iron are also needed.  Coconut

oil, due to being high (60%, I believe) in medium chain triglycerides (MCT), is

likely

helpful.  Recent research implicates hydrogenated

oils in causing many of the neuro-degenerative diseases.  MCT oil is thought to

bring healing in many

of these diseases.  [use 100% pure virgin

coconut or palm kernel oils only, and also balance your omega 3s (salmon, fish)

and 9s (extra virgin olive oil) with this, as it is high in omega 6.]  Other

oils which might be helpful are evening

primrose and black currant oils (also omega 6s).

 

Besides considering these

ideas, there are many reasons why B12 might not be working:

 

You might need a different

type than you are taking—a sublingual instead of an ingestible pill, or an

injection rather than a sublingual.

 

You might have too little

stomach acid to utilize it (another reason a sublingual or injection might be

necessary).

 

You might have too much

unhealthy bacteria in your gut  (ditto

for why to use sublingual or injection).

 

You might have a digestive

disease, such as celiac, crohns, or have had gastrointestinal surgery which

prevents absorption.  (again, sublingual

or injection works better)

 

You might be taking a drug

which interferes with B12 absorption or depletes it, such as prevacid,

prilosec, tagamet, zantac, pepcid, or metformin.

 

You may need more due to

excessive stress in your life, you are a vegetarian, or eat too little protein.

 

But the most common reason

for not being able to absorb B12 is a lack of intrinsic factor.  If you have or

have had pernicious anemia,

that can destroy the parietal cells and lead to low stomach acid

(achlorhydria), which causes the inability to produce intrinsic factor.   Age

and other digestive diseases also

negatively affect this.  To find out if you have intrinsic factor you can

perform a " Niacin Flush " :

Take 100 to 200 mg. of niacin (not niacinamide), on an empty stomach. If you

experience flushing, then you do not make enough of the intrinsic factor.  If

this is the case, it is necessary to make sure you have enough stomach acid. 

Intrinsic factor cannot be made without enough stomach acid.  Some will say if

this is the case you must use injections, but that is not rarely true, you just

need more stomach acid.  Sublinguals in large doses usually can be taken

successfully even if you lack intrinsic factor, tho you will also read that this

doesn't work on many sites.  But, whatever; do the work to overcome lack of

stomach acid and lack of intrinsic factor will go away.  I have had pernicious

anemia and I now can make intrinsic factor and use sublinguals.  So the

naysayers are not correct that it is a permanent condition.

 

I hope this helps you find a

solution for your skin burning and nerve stress, Loni. 

Good luck,

Diane 

________________________________

From: Loni <loni326@...>

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:20 AM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

 

Hi Diane,

 

I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more.

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM

 

> Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that

> antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning!

Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face

burning " ?

I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things

to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty

acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Have you tried saturated fats, Marc?  I had problems with this also, and I

finally found sat fats work for me.  I do suspect, however, that this is likely

toxin specific, so this might not work for your mix of toxins. 

Diane

________________________________

From: Marc <marc@...>

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

 

> For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are

> coming free, and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.

Yes, that's a problem I've experienced with other EMF protection

devices -- you can tell that they are helpful, but then you have

to stop using them because you can't stand the detox side

effects.

What I need to find is the perfect (no side effects) toxin-binding

substance. I've tried a bunch of things, but not thrilled with

any of them...

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Have you tried saturated fats, Marc? 

Yeah, my health goes downhill with too much

saturated fats... I do try to consume some,

though...

Marc

[Guest guest]

<my health goes downhill with too much

saturated fats... I do try to consume some,

though...>

Sorry to hear, Marc. 

My body hasn't found a sat fat it doesn't love.    I remember you saying you

don't tolerate coconut oil.  Have you ever tried black currant oil?  My body

likes that one, too, but not evening primrose oil.  And they are both omega

6s.  I never could figure that out.  EPoil causes me great stress.  But you

would think all omega 6s would act the same.  If I remember correctly, you like

EP oil, right?  There must be a message in there somewhere.    How does EP

oil work as a toxin magnet for you?

Diane

________________________________

From: Marc <marc@...>

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

 

> Have you tried saturated fats, Marc? 

Yeah,

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Have you ever tried black currant oil? 

> My body likes that one, too, but not evening primrose oil. 

I have observed in the past that evening primrose

oil did relieve some ES symptoms, with no negative

side effects. Never thought of it as a " toxin-absorber "

though (although perhaps that is the mechanism

of action, I don't know).

I tolerate black currant oil just fine, but have never

observed anything beneficial from taking it.

Mostly my bad reactions seem to be from things

like coconut oil, milk, butter, cheese -- things

that I imagine I consume in larger quantities

than a little supplement capsule.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Many thanks for your sound advice ! It is essentially what I try to do as

you sugest, will try the supplement top ups. My 1st day went well as I was

doing surveys outside, only dire moment was when my boss used his htc phone

near me, but had no problems then I was minding my own business with my

back to the contractor man, and began to develop an itchy sore head and found

myself realising that I was being zapped after say 30 secs, turned and

there was the contractor using his mobile 4feet from me !! my observations

here are that sometimes the newer smart phones dont give me a reaction whereas

the older thin slider types do ? a whole host of paramenters and

anomolies I guess. Any way thanks for the advice. PS just had negs of an MRI

on

my neck, looking at them (obviously I am no expert) looks like c5-c6

vertebrea are slightly impinging on spinal cord, maybe that's why I get pain

and

mild wozzy/dizzy spells - the MRI only shows it lying down not in real

time/function - wait to see what pain expert says.

puk

In a message dated 13/10/2011 21:11:25 GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Hi ,

I don't like the word cure either, tho I have personally seen a lot of

healing and know it is doable. So looking for healing is a good thing;

looking for a cure might be unattainable. You are right, it doesn't take a lot

to overturn advances in healing, so it is very important to also use

avoidance while using techniques to heal. This is particularly true in the

early

stages of healing.

I hope your temporary work doesn't do you in. I pray it will be easier on

you than you think. I find for myself, that emotional stress has

sometimes done me in faster than the actual ES stress, so I have adopted coping

mechanisms to try to deal with my emotions:

I try to never judge an ES situation before hand.

I intend and hope it goes well and easily for me and try to leave any

other thoughts or decisions on what might happen behind.

I try to keep myself distracted and focused elsewhere. When I didn't do

this, or when I got to a situation and asked myself if ES was bothering me,

it always seemed to. However, I learned I don't notice it as much when I

am distracted and don't allow myself to focus on it.

Now, this is a coping mechanism, it is not designed to be a health

strategy; it is still healthier not to be in areas of bad emfs. You will still

get ES stress; what you will not get doing this is emotional stress on top of

the ES stress.

Another thing you can do is to double up on helpful nutrients which you

know emfs deplete. I also carry some of these nutrients with me and take

them thru-out the day. [For me, personally, calcium and pantethine (B5) are

really essential. Vit C and electrolyte drops (including trace minerals) I

also often carry with me.]

I hope this job is a true blessing; good luck, ,

Diane

________________________________

From: " _paulpjc@..._ (mailto:paulpjc@...) " <_paulpjc@..._

(mailto:paulpjc@...) >

_ _ (mailto: )

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:53 AM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

when you use the word healing I assume that you are looking to be rid of

ES

(DONT LIKE THE WORD CURE), in my experience of of 10-13yrs ES, I have

dropped the healing bit in turn for sheilding, protection, aspirations for

general health improvement, not having a job that tops me up all the time

and

so on, I have found that it does not take much to undo all the good work,

so

its snakes and ladders - for example my neighbour has just kitted out his

back yard with compact flourescent floodlights, twice now I have felt

stinging around my eyes,cheeks and scalp, on both ocassions I have asked

if

anyone in the house has a mobile on etc but nothing, then going to the

back

door I see the lights have been triggered on, I cant belive that they

would

cause such a reaction from 6-7m away but its looking likely. I have just

secured a job as a building surveyor (2 month contract) after 2 yrs

unemployed

so its time to fry again ! I should be jubilant but they do not know my ES

secret, so I will being greeting my old friend - fatigue and all the other

Es symptoms on mass very soon - lets hope I can see it through and get

some money in. One thing is for sure the issue of stress is integral in

ES,

if you are stressed then you will have cortisol, adrenalin in your system

and this will undoutedly fuel the metabolic reations making them worse or

rather catylising the effects.

puk

In a message dated 13/10/2011 07:12:36 GMT Daylight Time,

_superdrove@..._ (mailto:superdrove@...) writes:

As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone

far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some

serious healing therapy.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Diane, i do poorly with EPO too. hav heard it increases estrogen and I think

that's why   

Re: Cures for EHS

 

& gt; Have you tried saturated fats, Marc? 

Yeah,

Marc

[Guest guest]

Diane,

You should not be so quick to dismiss EP.

Evening Primrose Oil is one of the major oils used for Multiple Sclerosis

because it heals nerves and sheaths.  It is from a flower.  Maybe you are

reacting to some kind of toxin that the flower produces. The article below says

it is also used for people who have had radiation damage.

http://www.hhnews.com/epo.htm

" Evening Primrose Oil contains an anti-oxidant that counter acts the formation

of free radicals.. It is also being studied for its pain reduction in

association with arthritis, controlling complications of diabetes, controlling

liver and kidney damage due to alcohol, depression, for Multiple sclerosis,

skin/hair/nail repair, and controlling sever symptoms of PMS. 

Evening Primrose Oil is the richest source of Gamma-Linolenic acid.  It

contains about 72% Linoleic acid and 9 percent GLA. Since it contains the

essential GLA, evening primrose oil is highly valuable to those who cannot

otherwise form enough GLA. This would include those who do not get enough

essential fatty acids in their diet, drink or have drunk excessive amounts of

alcohol, have low thyroid function, or have received radiation treatment. The

direct source of GLA takes the pressure off the body to produce the necessary

amount of GLA for optimum health.

Linolenic Acid is not produced by the body but must be obtained through the

dietary intake. LA acts as an energy source and is what the body converts to GLA

which in turn forms other substances such as prostaglandins. Prostaglandins are

hormone-like substances that are found in every body cell. They are critical to

the body’s overall health maintenance, but need to be replenished constantly

as once they serve their purpose, they are destroyed. "

C.

Superdrove

From: Debbie4God39@... <Debbie4God39@...>

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 12:02 AM

 

Diane, i do poorly with EPO too. hav heard it increases estrogen and I

think that's why

Re: Cures for EHS

& gt; Have you tried saturated fats, Marc?

Yeah,

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

In regards to Evening Primose Oil- quality of substance makes or breaks a

product. Always a good idea to research: where the ingredients are coming from,

what OTHER ingredients are added, how they are harvested and processed, are any

of the ingredients coming from China, are they cold processed, are all just a

few questions with regards to: supplements/glandulars/ essential oils and

herbal products. This is where it PAYS to ask the right questions. Cheaper-less

expensive may be more conveniant- but adding more toxins to a body that already

has toxic over load doesn't make good sense.

Lizzie

From: superdrove@...

Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:03:08 -0700

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

Diane,

You should not be so quick to dismiss EP.

Evening Primrose Oil is one of the major oils used for Multiple Sclerosis

because it heals nerves and sheaths. It is from a flower. Maybe you are

reacting to some kind of toxin that the flower produces. The article below says

it is also used for people who have had radiation damage.

http://www.hhnews.com/epo.htm

" Evening Primrose Oil contains an anti-oxidant that counter acts the formation

of free radicals.. It is also being studied for its pain reduction in

association with arthritis, controlling complications of diabetes, controlling

liver and kidney damage due to alcohol, depression, for Multiple sclerosis,

skin/hair/nail repair, and controlling sever symptoms of PMS.

Evening Primrose Oil is the richest source of Gamma-Linolenic acid. It contains

about 72% Linoleic acid and 9 percent GLA. Since it contains the essential GLA,

evening primrose oil is highly valuable to those who cannot otherwise form

enough GLA. This would include those who do not get enough essential fatty acids

in their diet, drink or have drunk excessive amounts of alcohol, have low

thyroid function, or have received radiation treatment. The direct source of GLA

takes the pressure off the body to produce the necessary amount of GLA for

optimum health.

Linolenic Acid is not produced by the body but must be obtained through the

dietary intake. LA acts as an energy source and is what the body converts to GLA

which in turn forms other substances such as prostaglandins. Prostaglandins are

hormone-like substances that are found in every body cell. They are critical to

the body’s overall health maintenance, but need to be replenished constantly as

once they serve their purpose, they are destroyed. "

C.

Superdrove

From: Debbie4God39@... <Debbie4God39@...>

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 12:02 AM

Diane, i do poorly with EPO too. hav heard it increases estrogen and I think

that's why

Re: Cures for EHS

& gt; Have you tried saturated fats, Marc?

Yeah,

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

 

Thanks I just think I live in a too toxic area for anything to work well. First

you must avoid and now with cell 4G LTE I won't be able to avoid.

 

I did order some Folic acid that is supposed help detoxify the system.

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM

 

> Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that

> antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning!

Just curious, do you have " skin burning " (entire body), or just " face

burning " ?

I can only recall ever having " face burning " , and found several things

to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty

acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

" Skin burning " could be " paresthesia " or " neuropathy " . (Google that.)

This could be due to a B12 deficiency, or a folate deficiency (or both).

However, taking B12 (swallowed), and folate (including folic acid), or

eating " good foods " doesn't always fix the problem, for everyone -- due

to the malabsorption (or other condition) that caused the problem.

Try taking " Methyl-B12 " (sublingual, dissolved slowly under the tongue),

and try taking " Methyl-folate " too -- because regular cyanocobalamin-B12

(swallowed) and regular " folic acid " doesn't always work for everyone.

If that doesn't seem to work (...it could require many months of

supplements), it could still be a B12 deficiency -- and there are

" functional tests " to find out if you're deficient in B12 and/or

folate, in spite of the supplements, and/or good food.

These tests will measure:

" Methylmalonic acid " (MMA) which is elevated in B12 deficiency, even if

the standard " Serum B12 " blood test indicates (falsely) that you have

enough B12. (It's not how much B12 you have, it's what your body is

capable of using, and Methylmalonic acid indicates you're not using the

B12 you " have " .)

" RBC folate " (Red blood cell Folate) which is the " bioavailable " folate,

and is more trustworthy than the usually-measured " Serum Folate " levels.

JD

--- At 09:20 PM 13 10 2011, Loni wrote:

>

>Hi Diane,

>

>I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more.

>

>Loni

>

>

>

>

>From: Evie <evie15422@...>

>Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

> " " < >

>Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 4:22 PM

>

>Hi, Loni,

>

>I used to have problems with vibrations in my body building up at night. I also

had the skin burning, but that was during the day. Both responded to B12 for me.

Have you tried B12 at night before bed? I took a methyl-cobalamin sublingual.

You might require a lot at first. After a while I could get relief with fairly

small amounts.

>

>Diane

>

>________________________________

>From: Loni <loni326@...>

>

>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:49 PM

>Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

>

>

>Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel

like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if

that might help.

>

>I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have

a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit

the grounding or not.

>

>Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then

just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.

>

>Loni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What do you consider elevated Methylmalonic acid

showing  b-12 it needs correcting?

I need more answers if this is my issue or it's circulation.

Thanks, Kathy

From: JD <emailresearch@...>

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

 

" Skin burning " could be " paresthesia " or " neuropathy " . (Google that.)

This could be due to a B12 deficiency, or a folate deficiency (or both).

However, taking B12 (swallowed), and folate (including folic acid), or

eating " good foods " doesn't always fix the problem, for everyone -- due

to the malabsorption (or other condition) that caused the problem.

Try taking " Methyl-B12 " (sublingual, dissolved slowly under the tongue),

and try taking " Methyl-folate " too -- because regular cyanocobalamin-B12

(swallowed) and regular " folic acid " doesn't always work for everyone.

If that doesn't seem to work (...it could require many months of

supplements), it could still be a B12 deficiency -- and there are

" functional tests " to find out if you're deficient in B12 and/or

folate, in spite of the supplements, and/or good food.

These tests will measure:

" Methylmalonic acid " (MMA) which is elevated in B12 deficiency, even if

the standard " Serum B12 " blood test indicates (falsely) that you have

enough B12. (It's not how much B12 you have, it's what your body is

capable of using, and Methylmalonic acid indicates you're not using the

B12 you " have " .)

" RBC folate " (Red blood cell Folate) which is the " bioavailable " folate,

and is more trustworthy than the usually-measured " Serum Folate " levels.

JD

--- At 09:20 PM 13 10 2011, Loni wrote:

>

>Hi Diane,

>

>I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more.

>

>Loni

>

>

>

>

>From: Evie <evie15422@...>

>Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

> " " < >

>Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 4:22 PM

>

>Hi, Loni,

>

>I used to have problems with vibrations in my body building up at night. I also

had the skin burning, but that was during the day. Both responded to B12 for me.

Have you tried B12 at night before bed? I took a methyl-cobalamin sublingual.

You might require a lot at first. After a while I could get relief with fairly

small amounts.

>

>Diane

>

>________________________________

>From: Loni <loni326@...>

>

>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:49 PM

>Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

>

>

>Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel

like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if

that might help.

>

>I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have

a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit

the grounding or not.

>

>Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then

just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.

>

>Loni

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- At 08:08 AM 17 10 2011, KathyB wrote:

>

>What do you consider elevated Methylmalonic acid

>showing b-12 it needs correcting?

>

>I need more answers if this is my issue or it's circulation.

>

>Thanks, Kathy

>

MMA is one of the best, and more widely available tests for B12.

At the same time they usually test for " Serum B12 " and " Total

Homocysteine " -- (also do test for RBC Folate).

If you have paresthesias, you'd best do the testing.

At the same time, or later if a B12 deficiency is detected,

they can also test for autoantibodies to: 1) Parietal Cells

(the cells in the stomach that make hydrochloric acid) and

2) Intrinsic Factor, without which B12 will never be absorbed

from food or swallowed supplements. (B12 supplements should

be of the " sublingual " variety.)

If you don't make enough stomach acid, then it's unlikely you

can absorb B12 (or even digest foods containing B12), because

you also won't have Intrinsic Factor (it's made by the Parietal

Cells, too). But with low stomach acid, many other vitamins

and minerals will also NOT be absorbed, causing many more

deficiencies than just B12.

Complete testing for these factors is done by Gastroenterology

M.D.s, but you can try this first:

Stomach Acid Assessment:

http://www.drdebe.com/stomach-acid-assessment.html

JD

>_______________________________________

>From: JD <emailresearch@...>

>Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

>

>

> " Skin burning " could be " paresthesia " or " neuropathy " . (Google that.)

>

>This could be due to a B12 deficiency, or a folate deficiency (or both).

>

>However, taking B12 (swallowed), and folate (including folic acid), or

>eating " good foods " doesn't always fix the problem, for everyone -- due

>to the malabsorption (or other condition) that caused the problem.

>

>Try taking " Methyl-B12 " (sublingual, dissolved slowly under the tongue),

>and try taking " Methyl-folate " too -- because regular cyanocobalamin-B12

>(swallowed) and regular " folic acid " doesn't always work for everyone.

>

>If that doesn't seem to work (...it could require many months of

>supplements), it could still be a B12 deficiency -- and there are

> " functional tests " to find out if you're deficient in B12 and/or

>folate, in spite of the supplements, and/or good food.

>

>These tests will measure:

>

> " Methylmalonic acid " (MMA) which is elevated in B12 deficiency, even if

>the standard " Serum B12 " blood test indicates (falsely) that you have

>enough B12. (It's not how much B12 you have, it's what your body is

>capable of using, and Methylmalonic acid indicates you're not using the

>B12 you " have " .)

>

> " RBC folate " (Red blood cell Folate) which is the " bioavailable " folate,

>and is more trustworthy than the usually-measured " Serum Folate " levels.

>

>JD

>

>

>

>--- At 09:20 PM 13 10 2011, Loni wrote:

>>

>>Hi Diane,

>>

>>I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more.

>>

>>Loni

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ,

I had suspected you also did this, but didn't know for sure.  I hope all goes

well with you on this new job and you are able to keep working in the future. 

You need that.  

That is potentially wonderful news, re the MRIs and vertebrae problems, too!  I

hope that leads to positive results for you.

Bless you,

Diane

________________________________

From: " paulpjc@... " <paulpjc@...>

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:36 AM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

 

Many thanks for your sound advice ! It is essentially what I try to do as

you sugest, will try the supplement top ups. My 1st day went well as I was

doing surveys outside, only dire moment was when my boss used his htc phone

near me, but had no problems then I was minding my own business with my

back to the contractor man, and began to develop an itchy sore head and found

myself realising that I was being zapped after say 30 secs, turned and

there was the contractor using his mobile 4feet from me !! my observations

here are that sometimes the newer smart phones dont give me a reaction whereas

the older thin slider types do ? a whole host of paramenters and

anomolies I guess. Any way thanks for the advice. PS just had negs of an MRI

on

my neck, looking at them (obviously I am no expert) looks like c5-c6

vertebrea are slightly impinging on spinal cord, maybe that's why I get pain

and

mild wozzy/dizzy spells - the MRI only shows it lying down not in real

time/function - wait to see what pain expert says.

puk

In a message dated 13/10/2011 21:11:25 GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Hi ,

I don't like the word cure either, tho I have personally seen a lot of

healing and know it is doable. So looking for healing is a good thing;

looking for a cure might be unattainable. You are right, it doesn't take a lot

to overturn advances in healing, so it is very important to also use

avoidance while using techniques to heal. This is particularly true in the

early

stages of healing.

I hope your temporary work doesn't do you in. I pray it will be easier on

you than you think. I find for myself, that emotional stress has

sometimes done me in faster than the actual ES stress, so I have adopted coping

mechanisms to try to deal with my emotions:

I try to never judge an ES situation before hand.

I intend and hope it goes well and easily for me and try to leave any

other thoughts or decisions on what might happen behind.

I try to keep myself distracted and focused elsewhere. When I didn't do

this, or when I got to a situation and asked myself if ES was bothering me,

it always seemed to. However, I learned I don't notice it as much when I

am distracted and don't allow myself to focus on it.

Now, this is a coping mechanism, it is not designed to be a health

strategy; it is still healthier not to be in areas of bad emfs. You will still

get ES stress; what you will not get doing this is emotional stress on top of

the ES stress.

Another thing you can do is to double up on helpful nutrients which you

know emfs deplete. I also carry some of these nutrients with me and take

them thru-out the day. [For me, personally, calcium and pantethine (B5) are

really essential. Vit C and electrolyte drops (including trace minerals) I

also often carry with me.]

I hope this job is a true blessing; good luck, ,

Diane

________________________________

From: " _paulpjc@..._ (mailto:paulpjc@...) " <_paulpjc@..._

(mailto:paulpjc@...) >

_ _ (mailto: )

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:53 AM

Subject: Re: Cures for EHS

when you use the word healing I assume that you are looking to be rid of

ES

(DONT LIKE THE WORD CURE), in my experience of of 10-13yrs ES, I have

dropped the healing bit in turn for sheilding, protection, aspirations for

general health improvement, not having a job that tops me up all the time

and

so on, I have found that it does not take much to undo all the good work,

so

its snakes and ladders - for example my neighbour has just kitted out his

back yard with compact flourescent floodlights, twice now I have felt

stinging around my eyes,cheeks and scalp, on both ocassions I have asked

if

anyone in the house has a mobile on etc but nothing, then going to the

back

door I see the lights have been triggered on, I cant belive that they

would

cause such a reaction from 6-7m away but its looking likely. I have just

secured a job as a building surveyor (2 month contract) after 2 yrs

unemployed

so its time to fry again ! I should be jubilant but they do not know my ES

secret, so I will being greeting my old friend - fatigue and all the other

Es symptoms on mass very soon - lets hope I can see it through and get

some money in. One thing is for sure the issue of stress is integral in

ES,

if you are stressed then you will have cortisol, adrenalin in your system

and this will undoutedly fuel the metabolic reations making them worse or

rather catylising the effects.

puk

In a message dated 13/10/2011 07:12:36 GMT Daylight Time,

_superdrove@..._ (mailto:superdrove@...) writes:

As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone

far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I need some

serious healing therapy.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]