Need Help!

[Guest guest]

I went and chose not to eat. Remember it's a choice...it's not that you CAN'T have it, you CHOOSE not to. From: mary medeiros <mary.medeiros@...> Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 8:24:11 PMSubject: Re: Need Help!

Hi my name is .

I am going on my 3rd week on Hcg injections. I have a

wedding to go to on Saturday and will be eating food that is not on the protocol

diet. Can anyone tell me if they have experienced

going out to a special event and how and what they did. Do you continue

to do the injections or do you stop the injections? Thank you

[Guest guest]

If I remember right, the protocol says to stop injections 2 days before, but continue VLCD those 2 days. I'd re-read the protocol for clear directions. And I agree, it's a choice, albeit a hard one!DebbieSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 7, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Mish <mishstuff@...> wrote:

I went and chose not to eat. Remember it's a choice...it's not that you CAN'T have it, you CHOOSE not to. From: mary medeiros <mary.medeiros@...> Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 8:24:11 PMSubject: Re: Need

Help!

Hi my name is .

I am going on my 3rd week on Hcg injections. I have a

wedding to go to on Saturday and will be eating food that is not on the protocol

diet. Can anyone tell me if they have experienced

going out to a special event and how and what they did. Do you continue

to do the injections or do you stop the injections? Thank you

[Guest guest]

It sure is. I just spent the weekend with my family in Branson. Today is my day 40 and it was so so difficult to not give in a cheat just a little bit. Thankfully, I have the combined stubbornness of the entire family and, with the help of my family, did it. Yesterday we left 3 different restaurants because they didn't have something I could eat and refused to do something "special". After that, I went to Walmart and got an apple and ate it while everyone else had their meal.From: Debbie B <deb0621@...>" " < >Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 8:48:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Need Help!

If I remember right, the protocol says to stop injections 2 days before, but continue VLCD those 2 days. I'd re-read the protocol for clear directions. And I agree, it's a choice, albeit a hard one!DebbieSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 7, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Mish <mishstuff@...> wrote:

I went and chose not to eat. Remember it's a choice...it's not that you CAN'T have it, you CHOOSE not to. From: mary medeiros <mary.medeiros@...> Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 8:24:11 PMSubject: Re: Need

Help!

Hi my name is .

I am going on my 3rd week on Hcg injections. I have a

wedding to go to on Saturday and will be eating food that is not on the protocol

diet. Can anyone tell me if they have experienced

going out to a special event and how and what they did. Do you continue

to do the injections or do you stop the injections? Thank you

[Guest guest]

I hope this Life Extension Foundation page is helpful:

http://www.lef.org/protocols/eye_ear/macular_degeneration_01.htm

I was going to point out the oxidative stress connection, and they have mention

of it as well; LEF always has valid information.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Is anybody " familiar " with wet macular degeneration?

>  

> Pasha

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Duncan!

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:30 PM

Subject: Re: Need help!

 

I hope this Life Extension Foundation page is helpful:

http://www.lef.org/protocols/eye_ear/macular_degeneration_01.htm

I was going to point out the oxidative stress connection, and they have mention

of it as well; LEF always has valid information.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Is anybody " familiar " with wet macular degeneration?

>  

> Pasha

>

>

[Guest guest]

Part of an email sent to me from a member in another group:

" First I will start with the results. In November 2109 my left eye was

20/100 and my right eye was 20/70. I had macular degeneration in the left

eye and pronounced arcus senilis (which I first noticed 20 years

previously). I was told I needed cataract surgery. In November 2010 my left

eye was 20/50 and my right eye 20/40. The arcus senilis had darkened and

narrowed. My corneas became crystal clear. There were changes in the macular

degeneration but forgot to ask the retina MD what they meant because of my

shock at being told I no longer needed surgery. My treatment continues and I

am due for a followup test with the retina MD in May.

As to the macular degeneration, this is caused by the accumulation of

drusen. In my right eye there were fewer drusen, but as an example as to

what was happening, at first there were three clumps plus some scattering.

At present there is only one clump and very little scattering. So something

is happening. By the way, the retina guy says that you can reverse macular

degeneration with saffron. I made up some saffron and used it, but it upset

my digestion. I quit and tried it again to double check, and it upset me

again. Too bad.

In Europe they use eye drops that contain 1 per cent acetyl-l-carnosine for

correcting cataracts. This is not FDA approved so when the drops are bought

here the carnosine is listed as an inactive ingredient. I use Brite Eyes

III. There are other drops available which may well be the same, but since I

started with this product I don't use any other. When I mentioned during my

test in 2009 that I was thinking of using the drops, I was told that he

didn't think they could affect cataracts because the lens was relatively

impermeable. With that in mind I made MSM drops using 1/2 teaspoon pure MSM

power dissolved in 1 ounce of distilled water and 1 ounce of saline solution

(no preservatives). I use each set of drops twice daily, but not at the same

time.

I had briefly tested the carnosine drops a couple of years before. I decided

to use them in my right eye only to see if I could observe any changes. What

I noticed after a couple of weeks was that my treated eye saw colors more

intensely. This was a development I hadn't been looking for, and there was

the possibility that that eye had always seen colors more intensely. After

one month I added my left eye to the routine. The colors intensified in that

eye. So I knew something was happening. For a variety of reasons I put the

experiment on hold. "

Hope this helps,

Blessings

Nikodicreta

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Pasha <pashamad@...> wrote:

>

>

> Is anybody " familiar " with wet macular degeneration?

>

> Pasha

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for info!

 

Pasha

From: Nickolas Schetakis <eftnow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:59 AM

Subject: Re: Need help!

Part of an email sent to me from a member in another group:

" First I will start with the results. In November 2109 my left eye was

20/100 and my right eye was 20/70. I had macular degeneration in the left

eye and pronounced arcus senilis (which I first noticed 20 years

previously). I was told I needed cataract surgery. In November 2010 my left

eye was 20/50 and my right eye 20/40. The arcus senilis had darkened and

narrowed. My corneas became crystal clear. There were changes in the macular

degeneration but forgot to ask the retina MD what they meant because of my

shock at being told I no longer needed surgery. My treatment continues and I

am due for a followup test with the retina MD in May.

As to the macular degeneration, this is caused by the accumulation of

drusen. In my right eye there were fewer drusen, but as an example as to

what was happening, at first there were three clumps plus some scattering.

At present there is only one clump and very little scattering. So something

is happening. By the way, the retina guy says that you can reverse macular

degeneration with saffron. I made up some saffron and used it, but it upset

my digestion. I quit and tried it again to double check, and it upset me

again. Too bad.

In Europe they use eye drops that contain 1 per cent acetyl-l-carnosine for

correcting cataracts. This is not FDA approved so when the drops are bought

here the carnosine is listed as an inactive ingredient. I use Brite Eyes

III. There are other drops available which may well be the same, but since I

started with this product I don't use any other. When I mentioned during my

test in 2009 that I was thinking of using the drops, I was told that he

didn't think they could affect cataracts because the lens was relatively

impermeable. With that in mind I made MSM drops using 1/2 teaspoon pure MSM

power dissolved in 1 ounce of distilled water and 1 ounce of saline solution

(no preservatives). I use each set of drops twice daily, but not at the same

time.

I had briefly tested the carnosine drops a couple of years before. I decided

to use them in my right eye only to see if I could observe any changes. What

I noticed after a couple of weeks was that my treated eye saw colors more

intensely. This was a development I hadn't been looking for, and there was

the possibility that that eye had always seen colors more intensely. After

one month I added my left eye to the routine. The colors intensified in that

eye. So I knew something was happening. For a variety of reasons I put the

experiment on hold. "

Hope this helps,

Blessings

Nikodicreta

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Pasha <pashamad@...> wrote:

>

>

> Is anybody " familiar " with wet macular degeneration?

>

> Pasha

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Pasha, just reading it myself; " recent scientific evidence points to chronic

vascular disease, including cardiovascular disease, as a potential cause " of

macular degeneration.

I'd use chiefly blockbuster allclear because it has a money back guarantee and

is known to better circulation and vascular disease, and undenatured whey and

selenium because they are very good with any kind of oxidative stress and the

glutathione made from them is an anti-aging tool anyway. I think these will be

good therapies.

Enzymes to increase microcirculation:

http://tinyurl.com/BB-Allclear

Here's the glutathione link:

><http://tinyurl.com/wet-macular>

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Is anybody " familiar " with wet macular degeneration?

> >  

> > Pasha

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Anfortunately, I use all your protocols for years and am on second set of BBAC

(3 bottles), but AMD started couple monts ago and resently I was diagnosed that

it's wet type. I started supplementing with lutein, zeaxanthin, astaxanthin and

some other stuff - I'm afraid of injections strait in my eyes. :-(

 

Best,

Pasha

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:09 AM

Subject: Re: Need help!

 

Hey Pasha, just reading it myself; " recent scientific evidence points to chronic

vascular disease, including cardiovascular disease, as a potential cause " of

macular degeneration.

I'd use chiefly blockbuster allclear because it has a money back guarantee and

is known to better circulation and vascular disease, and undenatured whey and

selenium because they are very good with any kind of oxidative stress and the

glutathione made from them is an anti-aging tool anyway. I think these will be

good therapies.

Enzymes to increase microcirculation:

http://tinyurl.com/BB-Allclear

Here's the glutathione link:

><http://tinyurl.com/wet-macular>

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Is anybody " familiar " with wet macular degeneration?

> >  

> > Pasha

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pasha, I think in wet macular degeneration carnosine is given as eye drops, if

that's any help. Fatty acids (EPA and DHA) have also been used. I'd be careful

of dietary unsaturated oils for aggravating the damage, but you're probably on

coocnut oil and butter by now

Studies using ozone therapy showed reversal of retinitis pigmentosa; I have one

in my files. This one used rectal:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9934231

This studied several methods and eye diseases:

[Preliminary report on using general ozone therapy in diseases of the posterior

segment of the eye].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1453673

Abstract

Autotransfusion of ozone venous blood was performed in 174 patients, in 32

patients ozone was given intraarterially. General ++ozone therapy was used for

the first time in Poland in the following ophthalmological conditions: retinal

pigment dystrophy, glaucomatous optic atrophy, in optic neuritis, after injuries

and in cases of unknown aetiology; in degenerative-atrophic changes of the

choroid, in high myopia, in post-inflammatory cases, in other degenerative

diseases and in bacterial corneal ulcerations. Ozone therapy in these conditions

seems to be favourable especially when the pathological process is not

extensive. One could observe an improvement of the visual acuity and of the

visual field.

Other than that, you're doing most of what you can to reduce disease progress.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Anfortunately, I use all your protocols for years and am on second set of BBAC

(3 bottles), but AMD started couple monts ago and resently I was diagnosed that

it's wet type. I started supplementing with lutein, zeaxanthin, astaxanthin and

some other stuff - I'm afraid of injections strait in my eyes. :-(

>  

> Best,

> Pasha

>

[Guest guest]

 

Hi All!

 

I have figured out what is going on here at my house and why I can't tolerate it

any longer.

 

The cell antennas have increased power. They had this BIONIC PHONE they released

on Thursday.

 

They had rolled out 4 G last year so it isn't the 4 G that has made it worse. I

am sure it something to do with this Verizon BIONIC PHONE.

 

The desert park I sleep in is radiated as well now so that was my Safe Haven. I

just can't escape it.

 

I am terrified of this cell industry at this point. They just keep increasing

without any concern about human health.

 

Can someone please explain this bionic phone. Can I get info from the FCC?

 

Desperate in Arizona!  Loni

[Guest guest]

Loni, sorry to hear that things are getting worse in your area.

The Bionic phone is a " 4G LTE " phone. 4G LTE is a newer, faster

kind of 4G, and may be what's causing you problems.

So it may not be an increase in cell tower POWER, but 4G LTE is

a difference frequency (700 Mhz) and has faster bandwidth.

Marc

> Hi All!

>  

> I have figured out what is going on here at my house and why I can't tolerate

it any longer.

>  

> The cell antennas have increased power. They had this BIONIC PHONE they

released on Thursday.

[Guest guest]

Bingo! You have solved this Marc! That's exactly what's going on! You are a

genius!

 

Ya know I put the window tint up a few years ago and I have been ok during the

day & all of the sudden this phone comes out and I am having life threatening

reactions and can't live in my house AGAIN!  I'm so tired of this Marc as you

can probably relate.

 

Ok... I have some more questions.

 

Why is it more tolerable at night for me here and life threatening reactions

during the day?

 

Is there anything I can do?

 

I want to scream about this. Complain to Verizon, congress, FCC!  Do you think

it will do any good? 

 

I am putting this house up for sale but this could be a long haul.

 

Loni

 

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 12:45 PM

 

> Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth?

Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A

current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE

operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency,

the better these frequencies will penetrate walls.

As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can

be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is

to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I

have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms.

And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection,

not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as

around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax.

So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits

data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that

this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Wow! Isn't that swell. Thanks for that lesson Marc.

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 3:45 PM

 

> Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth?

Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A

current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE

operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency,

the better these frequencies will penetrate walls.

As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can

be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is

to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I

have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms.

And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection,

not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as

around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax.

So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits

data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that

this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Why is it more tolerable at night for me here and life

> threatening reactions during the day?

Yes, that doesn't make much sense, unless it's just

a matter of more people using their cellphones more during

the day, or people's air conditioners are working

harder during the day (which just adds to the amount

of EMF and EMF noise that you have to put up with).

Marc

[Guest guest]

oh hmm a/c never thought of that. But wouldn't have that bothered me before as

well?

 

Another engineer said that it could be useage is down at night as well so not as

much radiation. I think that could be it.

 

The morning of Labor Day it was not hurting me but then in the afternoon it was

excrutiating pain.

But most days are very bad and most nights are better, more tolerable. Not life

threatening reactions.

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 8:02 PM

 

> Why is it more tolerable at night for me here and life

> threatening reactions during the day?

Yes, that doesn't make much sense, unless it's just

a matter of more people using their cellphones more during

the day, or people's air conditioners are working

harder during the day (which just adds to the amount

of EMF and EMF noise that you have to put up with).

Marc

[Guest guest]

I know! I learn so much from these knowledgeable people on this site! I'm so

thankful! LOni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 3:45 PM

 

> Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth?

Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A

current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE

operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency,

the better these frequencies will penetrate walls.

As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can

be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is

to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I

have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms.

And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection,

not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as

around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax.

So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits

data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that

this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc,

Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!

 So, 4G LTE is

a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that download speed for computers

& cellphones?

700 Mhz This explains

why FM bothers me now.

Kathy

-

<adiaha22@...> wrote:

Re: Need Help!

Wow! Isn't that swell. Thanks for that lesson Marc.

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

> Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth?

Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A

current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE

operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency,

the better these frequencies will penetrate walls.

As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can

be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is

to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I

have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms.

And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection,

not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as

around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax.

So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits

data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that

this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc wrote:

> So it may not be an increase in cell tower POWER, but 4G LTE is

> a difference frequency (700 Mhz) and has faster bandwidth.

>

This is going to be a coming problem for us. The lower frequencies just

vacated by the analog TV stations, is now going to be used for cell

phone and internet services. Because the lower frequency gives longer

range, you won't just be troubled by the neighbors within a mile,

(ignoring the towers for now), but soon everybody within 10-20 miles

will bother you/us.

Also lower frequencies are harder to shield, and go through walls easier.

I'm sorry to hear your location is getting worse Loni, I'm too far away

to offer much help.

[Guest guest]

> Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!

I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches

after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed.

> So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that

> download speed for computers & cellphones?

The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting

around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which

is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection

(1.5 Mbit/sec).

Presumably the data " in the air " is pulse-modulated onto

the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more

pulses to support the faster download speeds.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting:

4G or LTE will be used on:

450 MHz

700MHz

800MHz

900MHz

1500MHz

1800MHz

2000MHz

2300MHZ

2600MHz.

Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE.

The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of a

golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice

applications.

However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too slow.

Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the apps on

the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff.

They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and

foto's.

Their budget is limited.

The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all the

traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they are mad

about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with SMS also.

They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and limited the

downloads.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Need Help!

> Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!

I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches

after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed.

> So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that

> download speed for computers & cellphones?

The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting

around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which

is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection

(1.5 Mbit/sec).

Presumably the data " in the air " is pulse-modulated onto

the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more

pulses to support the faster download speeds.

Marc

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[Guest guest]

> the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be

> willing to use all those nice applications.

Yes, I think the cellphone companies want everyone to be watching

high definition movies on their iPads... but I doubt that very many

people are interested in doing that. Which is a *good* thing for

us!

Marc

[Guest guest]

I fear this intro - I knoe as a long term esser that the lower frequencies

are the killer for me ! the plasma tv from hell has gone but that did it

for me !!!

puk

In a message dated 12/09/2011 18:21:37 GMT Daylight Time,

charles@... writes:

Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting:

4G or LTE will be used on:

450 MHz

700MHz

800MHz

900MHz

1500MHz

1800MHz

2000MHz

2300MHZ

2600MHz.

Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE.

The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of

a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice

applications.

However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too

slow.

Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the

apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff.

They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and

foto's.

Their budget is limited.

The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all

the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they

are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with

SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and

limited the downloads.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Need Help!

> Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!

I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches

after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed.

> So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that

> download speed for computers & cellphones?

The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting

around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which

is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection

(1.5 Mbit/sec).

Presumably the data " in the air " is pulse-modulated onto

the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more

pulses to support the faster download speeds.

Marc

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[Guest guest]

I can tell you that it is terrifying. I cannot get away from this horrific

radiation here. I just don't know where there will be a safe place as this

technology spreads all over! I'm trying to find a safe spot a the canyon I

sleep and I've tried several spots to no avail. So now I am fried during the day

and fried at night as well.  I want to blow up these antennas.

 

We are in big trouble and we need to ban together and do something.

 

 Loni

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:04 AM

 

I fear this intro - I knoe as a long term esser that the lower frequencies

are the killer for me ! the plasma tv from hell has gone but that did it

for me !!!

puk

In a message dated 12/09/2011 18:21:37 GMT Daylight Time,

charles@... writes:

Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting:

4G or LTE will be used on:

450 MHz

700MHz

800MHz

900MHz

1500MHz

1800MHz

2000MHz

2300MHZ

2600MHz.

Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE.

The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of

a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice

applications.

However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too

slow.

Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the

apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff.

They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and

foto's.

Their budget is limited.

The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all

the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they

are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with

SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and

limited the downloads.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Need Help!

> Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!

I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches

after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed.

> So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that

> download speed for computers & cellphones?

The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting

around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which

is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection

(1.5 Mbit/sec).

Presumably the data " in the air " is pulse-modulated onto

the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more

pulses to support the faster download speeds.

Marc

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Loni,

I feel the same way! I am frying 24/7 since 4G got rolling here & new towers in

June.

 I have no where to get relief either. 

Hardwired neighborhoods would take a while

Makes it even harder when your spouse doesn't feel it.

Missouri

Kathy

: Loni <loni326@... wrote:

 Re: Need Help!

 

I can tell you that it is terrifying. I cannot get away from this horrific

radiation here. I just don't know where there will be a safe place as this

technology spreads all over! I'm trying to find a safe spot a the canyon I

sleep and I've tried several spots to no avail. So now I am fried during the day

and fried at night as well.  I want to blow up these antennas.

 

We are in big trouble and we need to ban together and do something.

 

 Loni

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Need Help!

Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:04 AM

 

I fear this intro - I knoe as a long term esser that the lower frequencies

are the killer for me ! the plasma tv from hell has gone but that did it

for me !!!

puk

In a message dated 12/09/2011 18:21:37 GMT Daylight Time,

charles@... writes:

Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting:

4G or LTE will be used on:

450 MHz

700MHz

800MHz

900MHz

1500MHz

1800MHz

2000MHz

2300MHZ

2600MHz.

Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE.

The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of

a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice

applications.

However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too

slow.

Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the

apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff.

They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and

foto's.

Their budget is limited.

The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all

the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they

are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with

SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and

limited the downloads.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Need Help!

> Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!

I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches

after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed.

> So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that

> download speed for computers & cellphones?

The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting

around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which

is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection

(1.5 Mbit/sec).

Presumably the data " in the air " is pulse-modulated onto

the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more

pulses to support the faster download speeds.

Marc

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