Guest guest Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Hello! I am so glad to have found this group! Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity. Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors. I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful. A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses! Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Welcome to the group Beth, My name is Lizzie. Both my teen daughter and I are ES. Sounds like the blackberry Dr. was an IDIOT! I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know from experience that doctor probably charged a high fee just to walk in the door, and maybe even an OUT of POCKET fee...the truth is: YOU SHOULD HAVE CHARGED HIM FOR EXPOSING YOU TO UNNECESSARY RADIATION. ES is a condition whereby there is SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT. And we in the ES communities have learned (sometimes the hard way) that our body is reacting to this wireless " assault " . You can talk to 20 diff't people, and they'll probably have 14 different theories on what they think causes this. And there's probably some truth in all of it. But I don't think its going to be a ONE answer fits all kind of thing. But for right now, the important thing is to know what you need to do, to stop it from getting any worse! And for someone just starting this journey, there is a huge amt of information, on this site, and on other ES sites. I find the most helpful parts are the individual stories, because it helps us to know we ARE NOT ALONE. However, trying to make sense out of a ton of information, can easily put someone on information over load. And people can end up spending a ton of money on things that don't work....going around and around in a circle. So here's what I can offer you today, in the form of answers. The first rule is this: get any wireless OUT of your house. That means change your cordless tele to a corded one. Do not USE a cordless phone. The base is like having a CEll Tower in the mddle of your house. The same goes for walkie talkie bases. Wireless laptops can be used after charging them on battery...Desk top computers should be HARD WIRED. Doorbells and home alarm systems are often wireless. Get rid of these. Baby monitors, same thing. EVen outdoor/indoor temperature gauges can be wireless! Question: What state do you live in? All utility companies are in the process of changing out our regular electric meters with a nasty device they call a " Smart Meter " . Water meters can also be smart meters, and so can gas meters. YOU need to know if any of these are ON your house. They are ALL radio frequency wireless meters. Also, the wiring in your house is an issue. Some houses have older wiring, and even the newer wired houses can effect ES people, if there are wiring mistakes. And this is more common then people realize. Cars, cars have GPS systems....many newer models have lots of new " toys " on the dash, that are wireless. The next question is this: Do you generally see regular doctors, as in mainstream medicine? Or do you seek out Alternative medicine/Holistic treatment This is important because when it comes to healing, it's two totally different approaches. Some people believe the dr. knows best. They must know the answers. They only trust dr.s and clinics and hopefully, there's a simple pill to take. And then, there are those of us, like me, who having played the mainstream medicine game...walked away from it. I also walked away from supposedly " alternative " doctors who didn't have a clue, but surely I thought, must have some answers, as they charged an arm and leg, just to walk in the door...that was after waiting 6 weeks just to in. While some of the alternative testing was indeed useful, there are other ways to figure out what is happening with the body, that don't include: blood tests, poop tests, urine tests, expensive OUT of POCKET fees, the waiting and waiting for results......etc, etc. I found many answers in the Natural Holistic area of medicine. I have a beginners guide that i wrote for someone else that may prove helpful to you. But as it is 14 pages, its too long to post here. So if you are interested, I'd be glad to send it to you...just send me your private e-mail, or you can e-mail me at: getsmart2wifi@... Blessings of Many, Lizzie From: beth_lundberg@... Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:12:28 +0000 Subject: First Post - Hello! I am so glad to have found this group! Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity. Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors. I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful. A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses! Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Hi Beth, Welcome to the group. The short answer is that yes, in my experience detoxifaction can help you become less electrosensitive. Many ES people, including me, test as having high levels of heavy metals in their body; my ES improved significantly after I underwent a 6-month course of chelation using Calcium Disodium EDTA (kelatox was the brand I used, in suppository, not oral, form; the treatment regimen will cost around $1000). Testing will help you determine if this is relevant to you (urine tests are cheap, stool tests are somewhat more expensive but more reliable; if you find someone you trust who does applied kinesiology, this can be valid as well). Also, pay close attention to boosting gut health; this is best done in consultation with a good naturopath, but I can tell you a couple of things about it: 1) Get plenty of probiotics. Raw Kombucha is a good source. Raw milk from A2 cows is also good stuff (see http://www.drmercola.com/uncategorized/what%E2%80%99s-wrong-with-milk/) 2) Eat fresh and organic as much as you can. 3) Find out if you have previously undiagnosed food allergies. Gluten and pasteurized dairy cause a lot of people problems without their being aware of it. Also, if there is a hot yoga studio in your area, go take a class and see if you like it. It's very detoxifying, and I do it every day as part of my effort to remain functional in the wireless dystopia in which I find myself living. That's the short version. The longer version is an article I wrote a little while ago that I've shared previously with the group; I'll post it again below. Good luck! -Josh Coping with electrosensitivity (ES) is difficult, and there are a lot of dead ends. If you are ES, the good news is that it is possible to become less sensitive to wireless technology; I've done it, although I'm not " cured " by any stretch of the imagination. Here are some things I have done that I believe have helped: 1. Reduce exposures. This is achieved by: a. Not using wireless technology, and, for more severely ES people, b. Relocating to an area with lower levels of ambient RF. Although there are many RF exposure sources it doesn't consider, www.antennasearch.com is a good resource for getting started identifying which neighborhoods in your community are likely to be lower-RF. A low-cost RF meter will help you quickly narrow it down further. Make sure to use one capable of measuring up to at least 3 GHz, and keep in mind that some exposures---such as high-frequency wi-max---will not be detectable by the meter. If you're considering going to such lengths as this, you're probably pretty electrosensitive; be sure to stay long enough in the different areas you consider to get a good feel for whether they're going to be positive places for you to be. And, of course, remember that new antennas go up all the time; today's safe-haven can easily become tomorrow's hell. Low-density areas with single-family homes on large lots are generally a good bet; also, try to find a house made of concrete or brick, as these materials are generally most effective at blocking RF. Apartment complexes tend to have more RF exposure because of tenants' wi-fi networks, so you should avoid them if you can. If you live in an area with RF-emitting electrical meters (so-called " smart meters " ), be aware of this variable as well. c. RF shielding of your bed. I haven't personally done this, but other ES people have reported it to be helpful. d. RF Shielding of your house. Difficult and expensive; make sure to consult with someone competent. 2. Get grounded. Devices for connecting your body to electrical ground are cheap, easy to use, and helpful at combating the effects of RF. See www.earthing.com for more info. I strongly recommend installing your own grounding rod (also available from this site) rather than using the wiring in your house, especially if you are ES; resistance and electrosmog on the building's ground circuit can diminish the effectiveness of grounding for some people. 3. Negative ion therapy. I have found a medical device called the E-Power to be helpful; I use it every night while I sleep (laying its' charged belt flat on your mattress under your sheet and turning it on while you sleep is a good way to get in a lot of time with it). It is, however, not cheap; for those on a tight budget, grounding is a better way to go. Also, don't use it at the same time as you are grounding or you will get shocked! Info at: http://www.chimachine4u.com/epower.html<br> 3. Detoxification and diet modification/supplementation. This is best done in consultation with a naturopath. For me, it meant taking various vitamins, changing my diet, removing my mercury fillings, and heavy-metal detox using Calcium-Disodium EDTA (a synthetic amino acid that is FDA approved for the treatment of lead poisoning). Testing can help determine if this last suggestion is relevant to you, but if you're seriously ES, chances are good that it is. Seriously ES people, do not underestimate how much metal removal can help! I view it as probably the most important thing I've done to treat this problem. 4. Meditation and yoga can help calm your mind and make you more resilient when faced with RF exposure. The practices I have found most helpful are transcendental meditation and bikram (or hot hatha) yoga. Hot yoga is one of the most powerful " de-smogging " practices I have found; I do it almost every day, and the practice helps keep me able to function relatively normally in wireless-saturated areas, provided I can stay at least a few feet away from the nearest wireless transmitter. The trick is to find a studio that isn't right next to a cell tower or in an office park with tons of wi-fi networks (although if this isn't possible, the practice may still prove a net positive; try it and see). Info at: www.tm.org http://www.bikramyoga.com/ 5. Multi-polar magnets can help stabilize the body's electrical field and are relatively inexpensive. I wear one in each front pocket of my pants, pretty much all the time. Call Seattle Natural Health and I bet they'd be happy to ship you a couple: http://www.seattlenaturalhealth.com/ I hope this information proves useful to someone out there. Please e-mail wifriedseattle@... if you have any feedback on it. I'd love to hear from you! > > Hello! > I am so glad to have found this group! > Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity. > > Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? > > It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors. > > I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful. > > A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? > > I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! > > Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Just a few thoughts here. Detoxifying is an area that everyone, ES or not, should be concerned with. I don't care where someone lives, or what their personal exposure story is, unless someone has been literally living in bubble, if every single person today were actually tested for heavy metals, the percentage who wouldn't show it, would be extremely small. And for those who don't show high amts of mercury in the hair anaylsis, (which is one of the most accurate testing methods out there-) mercury often goes sub-tissue level. That means that a hair analysis might not show the true amt of mercury hiding in the body, because the mercury levels cannot be read from where they are. However, what is not widely written about is this: Whether using such methods as EDTA, or IV Chelation, or clay, or foot soaks, or foot pads, or the various supplements of which there are many that will pull out heavy metals from the body- all of these will PULL OUT not JUST the bad guys (mercury, aluminum, cadmium, etc) **they also take out the GOOD guys, like Iodine, Magnesium, Selenium, etc. This is where its gets dangerous. I have seen many people do the above and end up sicker then they were. And yes, they were taking supplements while doing the chelation, and yes, some were under Dr.'s care. (by Dr., I include: Naturalpaths, Practioners, etc) I would venture to say that the majority of people are deficient in minerals. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people with heavy metal issues. The danger part comes in when people think they are doing the right thing, by detoxing, and end up pulling the body's last reserves of vital minerals. A common error is thinking " Oh I'm detoxing all the nasty heavy metal bad guys out..and I'm taking vitamins and supplements. The reality is, detoxing PULLS BOTH THE GOOD GUYS and the BAD GUYS OUT. And it took years for the body to run low on vital mnerals...to think one can just start taking minerals and vitamns, and somehow, over night, or within a week, RE-FILL those levels of good minerals, is naive at best, and quite dangerous. This is much more common then people realize. Most people start out life with nutrient deficiencies. Because the fact is, when the body has ample supplies of: Iodine, Magnesium, Selenium, Calcium, etc, there wouldn't BE any room in the cells for heavy metals to take up residence. As for shielding the bed and grounding and " earthing " ...... It is pretty standard advice in the ES world, to be told to shut off the circuits that control the bedroom area electricity. In general, this is a very good idea, because sleeping in an area FREE of electricity, is better for everyone, and especially ES people. However, most people assume that going down to the basement, looking at the electrical panel, and reading that " this " particular circuit labeled bedroom, or upstairs, is totally accurate. The problem is, many times, the circuit that controls that area, also is tied into other rooms. So my advice here is to make absolutely sure, that the circuit labled bedroom, or upstairs, etc...only goes to that area. An example is that one might find the circuit labeled bedroom or upstairs, might also control outlets in the room under neath the bedroom, which has an overhead ceiling light. Or the circuit might go to something on the hallway wall, on the opposite side of the bedroom wall. Assuming something could prove dangerous. The other area of concern is that " earthing & grounding " is NOT what people think it is. NOT all land/property around people's houses is free of stray current. These are areas where it PAYS to do your own research! Not widely known is that utility companies are allowed to- by la- , to run extra or stray current, INTO THE GROUND. This electrical current saturates the ground, and takes the path of least resistance. So anyone who unknowingly decides to hook up a grounding system, assuming that all grounds around their house is SAFE, could potentially end up worse. *This, by the way, is not just some utility companies, this is ALL of them. Once upon a time, they were NOT allowed to do this. Then in the 70's, the laws were changed. Why? Because it is cheaper for them to do it this way, then the SAFER way. This is why the method called " earthing " can be dangerous. Putting a ground rod into the ground where the area is saturated with STRAY current...and the person hooked up to the other end of that ground rod, may well become the path for the stray current to travel into! In theory, " earthing " sounds great. In reality, the results may be quite different then one is expecting. As to eating organic, that is excellent advice. As for Kombucha,and raw milk? This is another area that people assume to be free of concerns. I've yet to find a dairy farm (organic or natural)...where they DON'T USE CELL PHONES or cordless telephones. Why is this an issue? Because raw milk is very vulnerable to radiation. The holding tank is generally steel. The people who CLEAN THIS TANK....more often then NOT, use a cell phone. What this means is that raw milk, ends up basically irradiated! The same holds true for Kombucha. Both are excellent products. The problem isn't that these are not healthy foods, they are! The concern is that once raw good bacteria has been exposed to the field of radiation, it no longer is the stearling healthy food it is supposed to be. For those many people, who are already dealing with issues of candida, the above two food products, can actually worsen their symptoms. P.S. I think its really nice that Diane took the time to give you the links to the various websites. Due to space, were I to do that, I would end up filling pages upon pages upon pages. On the calcium....calcium EAP is not the only form of calcium that works or is absorbed by the body. It is a product sold by a company. And thankfully for those of us, who are working to give the body the nutrients/tools it needs to do its job, there are some really good supplements out there. There are other forms of calcium that also work, providing the thyroid is in good working shape, as it is the THYROID that controls metabolism, and it is the THRYOID status that determines how well a person is able to recieve nutrients, absorb them and utilize them. Leave out the thyroid or the adrenal glands in any healing protocol, and a good example would be building a house without a solid foundation. There are alot of people with digestive issues. Stop and think about this for a minute. Is it the supplement, or could it possibly be some function in the body that is not working right? There are two paths here. One is to treat the symptoms, and hope, that somewhere along the way, we end up fixing the problem. This is kind of the longer route to take. Or one can focus on whatever is causing the problem to start with... Some people have to have a diagnosis.... Others just want to find solutions. The two are not necessarily the same paths. What has become crystal clear to me, is that: bad wiring in houses, cordless phones/ cell phones/ cell towers/ current in the water supply/ smart meters/ stray ground current/ and detoxing without knowing the full story- causes harm, even those who don't think they are having a problem. I wish you well on your journey. Blessings of Many, Lizzie esens From: lizt777@... Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:38:52 -0400 Subject: RE: First Post - Welcome to the group Beth, My name is Lizzie. Both my teen daughter and I are ES. Sounds like the blackberry Dr. was an IDIOT! I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know from experience that doctor probably charged a high fee just to walk in the door, and maybe even an OUT of POCKET fee...the truth is: YOU SHOULD HAVE CHARGED HIM FOR EXPOSING YOU TO UNNECESSARY RADIATION. ES is a condition whereby there is SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT. And we in the ES communities have learned (sometimes the hard way) that our body is reacting to this wireless " assault " . You can talk to 20 diff't people, and they'll probably have 14 different theories on what they think causes this. And there's probably some truth in all of it. But I don't think its going to be a ONE answer fits all kind of thing. But for right now, the important thing is to know what you need to do, to stop it from getting any worse! And for someone just starting this journey, there is a huge amt of information, on this site, and on other ES sites. I find the most helpful parts are the individual stories, because it helps us to know we ARE NOT ALONE. However, trying to make sense out of a ton of information, can easily put someone on information over load. And people can end up spending a ton of money on things that don't work....going around and around in a circle. So here's what I can offer you today, in the form of answers. The first rule is this: get any wireless OUT of your house. That means change your cordless tele to a corded one. Do not USE a cordless phone. The base is like having a CEll Tower in the mddle of your house. The same goes for walkie talkie bases. Wireless laptops can be used after charging them on battery...Desk top computers should be HARD WIRED. Doorbells and home alarm systems are often wireless. Get rid of these. Baby monitors, same thing. EVen outdoor/indoor temperature gauges can be wireless! Question: What state do you live in? All utility companies are in the process of changing out our regular electric meters with a nasty device they call a " Smart Meter " . Water meters can also be smart meters, and so can gas meters. YOU need to know if any of these are ON your house. They are ALL radio frequency wireless meters. Also, the wiring in your house is an issue. Some houses have older wiring, and even the newer wired houses can effect ES people, if there are wiring mistakes. And this is more common then people realize. Cars, cars have GPS systems....many newer models have lots of new " toys " on the dash, that are wireless. The next question is this: Do you generally see regular doctors, as in mainstream medicine? Or do you seek out Alternative medicine/Holistic treatment This is important because when it comes to healing, it's two totally different approaches. Some people believe the dr. knows best. They must know the answers. They only trust dr.s and clinics and hopefully, there's a simple pill to take. And then, there are those of us, like me, who having played the mainstream medicine game...walked away from it. I also walked away from supposedly " alternative " doctors who didn't have a clue, but surely I thought, must have some answers, as they charged an arm and leg, just to walk in the door...that was after waiting 6 weeks just to in. While some of the alternative testing was indeed useful, there are other ways to figure out what is happening with the body, that don't include: blood tests, poop tests, urine tests, expensive OUT of POCKET fees, the waiting and waiting for results......etc, etc. I found many answers in the Natural Holistic area of medicine. I have a beginners guide that i wrote for someone else that may prove helpful to you. But as it is 14 pages, its too long to post here. So if you are interested, I'd be glad to send it to you...just send me your private e-mail, or you can e-mail me at: getsmart2wifi@... Blessings of Many, Lizzie From: beth_lundberg@... Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:12:28 +0000 Subject: First Post - Hello! I am so glad to have found this group! Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity. Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors. I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful. A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses! Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Hi, I have electrical sensitivity too. I am about to have the amalgams out of my mouth. My doctor told me I need to have the metals out that have electrical charges. I had one tooth taken out that was charging the most. It had an infection. It was an old root canal. My symptoms improved a bit after that. I am going to work on having the amalgams replaced, and then if I am still having problems, have my teeth that are charging (they are gold growns- bridges, etc.) taken out. I also know that when the body is burdened with toxins we get an overload, and it overwhelms your immune system. I have been learning a lot about thyroid, adrenals problems, and I know that when ever I have exposures (chemical- I have chemical sensitivity too) I feel lightheaded, so I know it has went through the brain barrier. I feel like I am just learning all of this stuff. Good luck, Maureen ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: " scribnerhill " <beth_lundberg@...> Subject: First Post - Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:12:28 -0000 <!--CTYPE HTML PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dt--><p><span style= " display: none; " > & nbsp;</span></p> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-mlmsg " style= " position: relative; " ><div id= " ygrp-msg " style= " z-index: 1; " ><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-text " ><p>Hello!<br>I am so glad to have found this group! <br>Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity.<br><br>Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? <br><br>It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors.<br><br>I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful.<br><br>A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? <br><br>I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! <br><br>Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses!<br>Beth<br><br></p></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><div style= " color: #fff; height: 0; " ></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><!--\ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!-- end group email --></html> ____________________________________________________________ Groupon & #8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city & #39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e001845cf948122be9st06duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Sounds like your dentist is very knowledgable. For newbies out there, wanting to get their silver " mercury " fillngs removed. There are two basic rules that will save you a ton of grief. The first, is to have the fillings removed, in order of their galvanic charges. This means that the dentist uses an instument to measure the electrical current on your teeth. The ones with the highest charges, should be removed first. The second important rule is that the dentist should be especially trained in the safe removal of mercury amalgam fillings. This means they have the right equipment, the safe technique of removing the mercury fillings in such a way, that the patient isn't RE EXPOSED to more mercury during the procedure. Look up www.iaomt.org and READ! For information on teeth with electrical charges, look up " oral galvanism " . Thanks Maureen, this is another really important topic... Wishing you the safest journey to health. Lizzie From: calmriver1@... Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:03:04 +0000 Subject: Fw: First Post - Hi, I have electrical sensitivity too. I am about to have the amalgams out of my mouth. My doctor told me I need to have the metals out that have electrical charges. I had one tooth taken out that was charging the most. It had an infection. It was an old root canal. My symptoms improved a bit after that. I am going to work on having the amalgams replaced, and then if I am still having problems, have my teeth that are charging (they are gold growns- bridges, etc.) taken out. I also know that when the body is burdened with toxins we get an overload, and it overwhelms your immune system. I have been learning a lot about thyroid, adrenals problems, and I know that when ever I have exposures (chemical- I have chemical sensitivity too) I feel lightheaded, so I know it has went through the brain barrier. I feel like I am just learning all of this stuff. Good luck, Maureen ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: " scribnerhill " <beth_lundberg@...> Subject: First Post - Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:12:28 -0000 <!--CTYPE HTML PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dt--><p><span style= " display: none; " > & nbsp;</span></p> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-mlmsg " style= " position: relative; " ><div id= " ygrp-msg " style= " z-index: 1; " ><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-text " ><p>Hello!<br>I am so glad to have found this group! <br>Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity.<br><br>Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? <br><br>It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors.<br><br>I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful.<br><br>A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? <br><br>I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! <br><br>Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses!<br>Beth<br><br></p></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><div style= " color: #fff; height: 0; " ></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><!--\ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!-- end group email --></html> __________________________________________________________ Groupon & #8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city & #39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e001845cf948122be9st06duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thanks Lizzie, I was just reading how you need to have the highest negative charge tooth out first, otherwise it could cause further autoimmune dsyfunction. Then continue to have all the highest negative ones out then start on the highest positive charged tooth. Is there an inexpensive meter from Radio Shack that we can get to test our charges? I remember reading about that, but can't remember what type of meter it is. Maureen ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: thode <lizt777@...> <> Subject: RE: First Post - Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 10:00:38 -0400 http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dt--><p><span style= " display: none; " > & nbsp;</span></p> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-mlmsg " style= " position: relative; " ><div id= " ygrp-msg " style= " z-index: 1; " ><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-text " ><p>Hello!<br>I am so glad to have found this group! <br>Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity.<br><br>Please let me know if you have any advice on how to deal with this or how to be free of this. What do you think causes it? <br><br>It has gotten to the point where I can't be around anything that runs on a 2.45 GHz frequency, as within seconds I feel like a train is running through my head, and the feeling lasts for hours, even days.I have spoken with three environmental medicine doctors, two on the phone, one in person, but I do not feel comfortable with what I hear from them. They have different theories on what it is and how to treat it, most of which turns out to involve lots of expensive tests. The one doctor I managed to see in person was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Rude no matter who you are, but for an ES person that was too much. So needless to say I am now very wary of doctors.<br><br>I have had my mercury fillings removed, have used a Silverell hoodie, and a canary wireless hot-spotter to help figure out where in a room I can stand if I am out somewhere with my kids. While I am sure these things make my situation slightly more manageable, I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful.<br><br>A few days ago I spoke with someone, at a natural market, at length about ES. He asked me lots of questions, and then said that he thinks that I am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. He said I should start fixing my liver first, and that if I clean it up I will start to feel better. I am taking his advice, but also wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anyone heard/tried this? <br><br>I do not know anyone else who is electrically sensitive, so I am so grateful to have found this group! <br><br>Thanks for reading! I am looking forward to your responses!<br>Beth<br><br></p></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><div style= " color: #fff; height: 0; " ></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><!--\ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!-- end group email --></html> __________________________________________________________ Groupon & #8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city & #39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e001845cf948122be9st06duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 > Thanks Lizzie, I was just reading how you need to have the highest > negative charge tooth out first Keep in mind that most of the advise given here (or anywhere else!) is controversial in some way. When I had my mercury fillings removed, the dentist paid no attention to the charge of the fillings -- he said that he used to do that, but it was found that it really didn't make any difference, and considered it obsolete advise (and this was 11 years ago). There is similar advice about not having two mercury removal appointments on the same day of the week (spaced 7, 14, 21 days apart), due to something to do with the immune system. I don't know if this is true or a myth. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thanks Marc, I have just been trying to learn, and that is what I have read. It is good to know Marc that what I have read may not be accurate. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: " Marc " <marc@...> Subject: Re: First Post - Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:07:12 -0700 <!--CTYPE HTML PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dt--><p><span style= " display: none; " > & nbsp;</span></p> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-mlmsg " style= " position: relative; " ><div id= " ygrp-msg " style= " z-index: 1; " ><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--><div id= " ygrp-text " ><p> & gt; Thanks Lizzie, I was just reading how you need to have the highest <br> & gt; negative charge tooth out first<br><br>Keep in mind that most of the advise given here (or anywhere else!)<br>is controversial in some way. When I had my mercury fillings removed, <br>the dentist paid no attention to the charge of the fillings -- he <br>said that he used to do that, but it was found that it really didn't make <br>any difference, and considered it obsolete advise (and this was 11 <br>years ago).<br><br>There is similar advice about not having two mercury removal appointments <br>on the same day of the week (spaced 7, 14, 21 days apart), due to something<br>to do with the immune system. I don't know if this is true or a myth.<br><br>Marc</p></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><div style= " color: #fff; height: 0; " ></div><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><!--\ ~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!-- end group email --></html> ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e024d2d8199638f79st02duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi Beth, > Four months ago I figured out that the headaches and other symptoms I have around wireless, cell phones, microwaves, my kids' Wii, etc., are all connected, and that what I am suffering from is electrical sensitivity. > Sorry to hear you are suffering like us. Think positive, now you can learn what is happening, as most don't understand why they are sick. > was terrible. He said he treats people with ES but his office had 16 strong wireless access points in it, and even pulled out his iPhone and started calling someone right in front of me. Totally upsurd! I guess he treats kids allergic to peanuts with peanut-cookies too... Such a head in the clouds smug attitude... I guess he is a M.D. trained by M.D.s > I would love to know what other things I should incorporate into my daily life that you all have found to be helpful. > More avoidance will be the long term goal. Make sure your sleeping area is as quiet as possible, EMR wise. > am sensitive to electromagnetic fields because my body is too burdened, and my immune system is damaged. > Sounds correct. You can read my web page, hopefully something there will help you. Take care, http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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