Re: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

[Guest guest]

Lower frequencies are the big problem in manyways as they penetrate the

body more efficiently, cell phone waves have a elf component on the hf carrier

wave so I think they demodulate at lf in the body like a dumdum bullet

going off at a cellular level - bad news. I use ZOOMTEXT have you come across

this, its great for magnifying the screen.

puk

In a message dated 11/07/2011 04:23:22 GMT Daylight Time,

radfaraf@... writes:

I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF

sensitive. I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies.

Cell

phones bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a

LCD screen and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a

digital camera when it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the

screen is on. I am managing to use a computer now only because I have a large

TV as a monitor about 20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a

long mouse and keyboard chord and manage to read the screen only because I

have the mouse wheel set to zoom in/out.

Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how

that compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less

people like that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I

am in I attempt to use one in a normal manner.

[Guest guest]

Your sensitivity may very well increase over time to include higher frequencies

especially if you don't avoid them; pretty impossible to these days.

L.

>

> I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF

sensitive. I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell

phones bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD

screen and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital

camera when it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on.

I am managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor

about 20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and

keyboard chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel

set to zoom in/out.

>

> Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

>

[Guest guest]

It seems that many folks on this site

have been injured by cell technology and

thus emphasize a sensitivity to RF rather

than the lower frequencies. Some here even

postulate that no one can be sensitive to

60 Hz. The media also focuses on RF. But

there are plenty of us EHSers that have

trouble with computers, TVs and 60 Hz.

Beware, you may eventually become sensitized

to RF as well.

Eli

>

> I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF

sensitive. I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell

phones bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD

screen and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital

camera when it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on.

I am managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor

about 20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and

keyboard chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel

set to zoom in/out.

>

> Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

>

[Guest guest]

No, that statement is not correct.

We have electrical fields, magnetical fields, electromagnetical waves and

frequencies.

Clean electrical fields of 50/60 Hz do not cause any trouble. Our body is used

to it.

But many electrical wirings do contain a lot of *dirty* frequencies, which do

not belong there, but are present, and these may harm you.

When current is flowing in wirings and appliances, there are magnetical fields

present. These can harm you also.

Electromagmnetic waves are all aropund us presnt, and they can harm you.

But these high frequency carrier waves can conatin low- and middle frequencies,

which do certainly harm you.

A friend of mine bought a new computer for his son.

But he experienced electrosensitivity trouble.

I told hem, that perhaps the power supply in the computer may create havoc.

He checked with his Stetzerizer meter and found over 1000 GS units.

He went back to the store and explained his problem.

The got another computer with the same ingedients but another power supply.

They measured before and after just 60 GS units.

TV's may transmit a lot of *dirty air*; these are frequencies from 1 kHz up to

30 MHz.

And electrosensitives may react to those.

But clean 50/60 Hz, without dirty electricity should be no problem.

Not even a refrigerator. Here the magnetical fields do disturb you, not the

electrical fields.

Hope this helps.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

It seems that many folks on this site

have been injured by cell technology and

thus emphasize a sensitivity to RF rather

than the lower frequencies. Some here even

postulate that no one can be sensitive to

60 Hz. The media also focuses on RF. But

there are plenty of us EHSers that have

trouble with computers, TVs and 60 Hz.

Beware, you may eventually become sensitized

to RF as well.

Eli

[Guest guest]

Hi. I think that where ES is concerned some people are more affected by

electrical fields more so than magnetic fields and vice versa. Then you have

your folks like me who became sick from over exposure to microwave radiation

either from their personal devices or from cell towers and or Smart Grid

technologies such as Smart Meters or solar panels on local utility poles.

 

I am not MCS.  I tolerate many chemicals better than some people do.  I

haven't tolerated cigarette smoke for at least 25 years.  Fortunately, they

cleaned up much of that menace before I became politically aware.  Sadly EHS is

far worse for me, ( I usually call it " microwave sickness " like the Russians).

 

I seem to be able to tolerate a considerable amount of dirty electricity except

in moldy or geopathically stressed environments.  Some lamps do seem to make me

feel sick, but I tolerate most flourescent lighting except for the compacts,

they're nasty for me.

 

Cell phones are like space age weapons for me.  I call them " kryptonite. "   Lap

tops and WIFI burn me, but I live in a tight environment much radiation

pollution.

 

Your symptoms may decrease.  I hope they do for you.  Where do you obtain

these long cords for keyboard and mouse? Take care.

From: robakaradfaraf <radfaraf@...>

Subject: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 8:13 PM

 

I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF sensitive.

I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell phones

bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD screen

and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital camera when

it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on. I am

managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor about

20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and keyboard

chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel set to

zoom in/out.

Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

[Guest guest]

Since about 30 years in science it is known, that the low frequency

modulation of RF makes them much more harmful. Prof Adlkofer found out that the

standard 50 Hz frequency has a similar harmful effect on genetic material of

the cells as mobile phone radiation. This is somewhat hidden in his thesis

not to alert the public too much. In my own research the frequency of 60 Hz

has shown to be much less harmful than 50 Hz. So that`s good news for you

in US. The reason for this may be, that 60 Hz is quite close to one

harmonic of the Schumann wave of 7,83 Hz. This explains why in magnetc field

therapy often harmonics of this Schumann frequency are used.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 11.07.2011 17:32:53 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

ahappyhabitat@...:

It seems that many folks on this site

have been injured by cell technology and

thus emphasize a sensitivity to RF rather

than the lower frequencies. Some here even

postulate that no one can be sensitive to

60 Hz. The media also focuses on RF. But

there are plenty of us EHSers that have

trouble with computers, TVs and 60 Hz.

Beware, you may eventually become sensitized

to RF as well.

Eli

[Guest guest]

Right, 60 Hz magnetic fields. They're

everywhere during the summer... all that

current pumping those air-conditioners.

But if body voltage is so important,

why wouldn't 60 Hz electric fields

cause harm?

Eli

>

> No, that statement is not correct.

>

> We have electrical fields, magnetical fields, electromagnetical waves and

frequencies.

>

> Clean electrical fields of 50/60 Hz do not cause any trouble. Our body is used

to it.

> But many electrical wirings do contain a lot of *dirty* frequencies, which do

not belong there, but are present, and these may harm you.

>

> When current is flowing in wirings and appliances, there are magnetical fields

present. These can harm you also.

>

> Electromagmnetic waves are all aropund us presnt, and they can harm you.

> But these high frequency carrier waves can conatin low- and middle

frequencies, which do certainly harm you.

>

> A friend of mine bought a new computer for his son.

> But he experienced electrosensitivity trouble.

> I told hem, that perhaps the power supply in the computer may create havoc.

> He checked with his Stetzerizer meter and found over 1000 GS units.

> He went back to the store and explained his problem.

> The got another computer with the same ingedients but another power supply.

> They measured before and after just 60 GS units.

>

> TV's may transmit a lot of *dirty air*; these are frequencies from 1 kHz up to

30 MHz.

> And electrosensitives may react to those.

>

> But clean 50/60 Hz, without dirty electricity should be no problem.

> Not even a refrigerator. Here the magnetical fields do disturb you, not the

electrical fields.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

> Re: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

>

>

>

>

> It seems that many folks on this site

> have been injured by cell technology and

> thus emphasize a sensitivity to RF rather

> than the lower frequencies. Some here even

> postulate that no one can be sensitive to

> 60 Hz. The media also focuses on RF. But

> there are plenty of us EHSers that have

> trouble with computers, TVs and 60 Hz.

>

> Beware, you may eventually become sensitized

> to RF as well.

>

> Eli

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That probably makes sense. It is hard to tell what specific frequencies might be

causing the effects when electric or magnetic frequencies are involved. I react

to pretty much all electrical appliances if I am close enough to them. The

fridge seems to be an exception, but then again the field from it doesn't appear

strong according to my Tri-Field meter, I can't really measure it expect when I

put the meter inside the fridge to get closer to the EMF emitting components.

I was at the environmental health center in Buffalo for a while recently. Since

I don't live near there I temporarily rented a house. They had bad wiring which

caused huge EMF spikes where appliances would causes stronger and farther

reaching EMF then where I am living now. I figured out it was partially caused

by grounding through the water pipes thus causing the pipes to emit a lot of EMF

throughout the house. I tried grounding through the actual ground instead of the

pipes, but oddly that didn't help even when the water pipe was cut near where it

entered the house. The problem was mostly solved by putting a insulated section

of pipe in where the cut was and then grounding at the section of the pipe that

was not running through the house. I thought that fixed everything, but then

when I came home I noticed certain things that happened in that house still like

the toaster being on generating measurable EMF in the whole house did not occur

in the house I have lived in the past few years.

>

> No, that statement is not correct.

>

> We have electrical fields, magnetical fields, electromagnetical waves and

frequencies.

>

> Clean electrical fields of 50/60 Hz do not cause any trouble. Our body is used

to it.

> But many electrical wirings do contain a lot of *dirty* frequencies, which do

not belong there, but are present, and these may harm you.

>

> When current is flowing in wirings and appliances, there are magnetical fields

present. These can harm you also.

>

> Electromagmnetic waves are all aropund us presnt, and they can harm you.

> But these high frequency carrier waves can conatin low- and middle

frequencies, which do certainly harm you.

>

> A friend of mine bought a new computer for his son.

> But he experienced electrosensitivity trouble.

> I told hem, that perhaps the power supply in the computer may create havoc.

> He checked with his Stetzerizer meter and found over 1000 GS units.

> He went back to the store and explained his problem.

> The got another computer with the same ingedients but another power supply.

> They measured before and after just 60 GS units.

>

> TV's may transmit a lot of *dirty air*; these are frequencies from 1 kHz up to

30 MHz.

> And electrosensitives may react to those.

>

> But clean 50/60 Hz, without dirty electricity should be no problem.

> Not even a refrigerator. Here the magnetical fields do disturb you, not the

electrical fields.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

> Re: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

>

>

>

>

> It seems that many folks on this site

> have been injured by cell technology and

> thus emphasize a sensitivity to RF rather

> than the lower frequencies. Some here even

> postulate that no one can be sensitive to

> 60 Hz. The media also focuses on RF. But

> there are plenty of us EHSers that have

> trouble with computers, TVs and 60 Hz.

>

> Beware, you may eventually become sensitized

> to RF as well.

>

> Eli

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got them at Monoprice.com. They have various long lengths including ones 50

feet long. I bought the 32 foot ones for under $10 each. Look for USB extension

cables on that site.

>

> Hi. I think that where ES is concerned some people are more affected by

electrical fields more so than magnetic fields and vice versa. Then you have

your folks like me who became sick from over exposure to microwave radiation

either from their personal devices or from cell towers and or Smart Grid

technologies such as Smart Meters or solar panels on local utility poles.

>  

> I am not MCS.  I tolerate many chemicals better than some people do.  I

haven't tolerated cigarette smoke for at least 25 years.  Fortunately, they

cleaned up much of that menace before I became politically aware.  Sadly EHS is

far worse for me, ( I usually call it " microwave sickness " like the Russians).

>  

> I seem to be able to tolerate a considerable amount of dirty electricity

except in moldy or geopathically stressed environments.  Some lamps do seem to

make me feel sick, but I tolerate most flourescent lighting except for the

compacts, they're nasty for me.

>  

> Cell phones are like space age weapons for me.  I call them " kryptonite. "  

Lap tops and WIFI burn me, but I live in a tight environment much radiation

pollution.

>  

> Your symptoms may decrease.  I hope they do for you.  Where do you obtain

these long cords for keyboard and mouse? Take care.

>

> From: robakaradfaraf <radfaraf@...>

> Subject: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

>

> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 8:13 PM

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF

sensitive. I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell

phones bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD

screen and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital

camera when it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on.

I am managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor

about 20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and

keyboard chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel

set to zoom in/out.

>

> Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about magnetic fields? Wiring errors, such as ganged neutrals,

could cause high magnetic fields. Karl Riley has a great book on tracing EMF's

and fixing wiring issues. Sometimes these can be very easily fixed. E.g., a

building biologist fixed a magnetic field problem at my home at the light

switch.

> >

> > No, that statement is not correct.

> >

> > We have electrical fields, magnetical fields, electromagnetical waves and

frequencies.

> >

> > Clean electrical fields of 50/60 Hz do not cause any trouble. Our body is

used to it.

> > But many electrical wirings do contain a lot of *dirty* frequencies, which

do not belong there, but are present, and these may harm you.

> >

> > When current is flowing in wirings and appliances, there are magnetical

fields present. These can harm you also.

> >

> > Electromagmnetic waves are all aropund us presnt, and they can harm you.

> > But these high frequency carrier waves can conatin low- and middle

frequencies, which do certainly harm you.

> >

> > A friend of mine bought a new computer for his son.

> > But he experienced electrosensitivity trouble.

> > I told hem, that perhaps the power supply in the computer may create havoc.

> > He checked with his Stetzerizer meter and found over 1000 GS units.

> > He went back to the store and explained his problem.

> > The got another computer with the same ingedients but another power supply.

> > They measured before and after just 60 GS units.

> >

> > TV's may transmit a lot of *dirty air*; these are frequencies from 1 kHz up

to 30 MHz.

> > And electrosensitives may react to those.

> >

> > But clean 50/60 Hz, without dirty electricity should be no problem.

> > Not even a refrigerator. Here the magnetical fields do disturb you, not the

electrical fields.

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > Greetings,

> > Claessens

> > member Verband Baubiologie

> > www.milieuziektes.nl

> > www.milieuziektes.be

> > www.hetbitje.nl

> > checked by Norton

> >

> >

> > Re: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It seems that many folks on this site

> > have been injured by cell technology and

> > thus emphasize a sensitivity to RF rather

> > than the lower frequencies. Some here even

> > postulate that no one can be sensitive to

> > 60 Hz. The media also focuses on RF. But

> > there are plenty of us EHSers that have

> > trouble with computers, TVs and 60 Hz.

> >

> > Beware, you may eventually become sensitized

> > to RF as well.

> >

> > Eli

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think we could be vulnerable to all of these conditions, whether EHS for high

frequencies, EHS for low frequencies, EHS for magnetic fields, EHS for electric

voltages, or MCS. Depending upon our various levels of exposures to each of

these, and our general health conditions, we may get one before the other, in

different orders.

Some are sensitive to RF first and then power frequencies from computers etc.

Others noticed it in reverse order. Some are more sensitive to magnetic fields

than RF, others are more sensitive to RF than magnetic fields. Some are

sensitive to MCS before RF, and others who have EHS never had MCS. There are

many different sequences. We really need to consider everything holistically.

>

> Hi. I think that where ES is concerned some people are more affected by

electrical fields more so than magnetic fields and vice versa. Then you have

your folks like me who became sick from over exposure to microwave radiation

either from their personal devices or from cell towers and or Smart Grid

technologies such as Smart Meters or solar panels on local utility poles.

>  

> I am not MCS.  I tolerate many chemicals better than some people do.  I

haven't tolerated cigarette smoke for at least 25 years.  Fortunately, they

cleaned up much of that menace before I became politically aware.  Sadly EHS is

far worse for me, ( I usually call it " microwave sickness " like the Russians).

>  

> I seem to be able to tolerate a considerable amount of dirty electricity

except in moldy or geopathically stressed environments.  Some lamps do seem to

make me feel sick, but I tolerate most flourescent lighting except for the

compacts, they're nasty for me.

>  

> Cell phones are like space age weapons for me.  I call them " kryptonite. "  

Lap tops and WIFI burn me, but I live in a tight environment much radiation

pollution.

>  

> Your symptoms may decrease.  I hope they do for you.  Where do you obtain

these long cords for keyboard and mouse? Take care.

>

> From: robakaradfaraf <radfaraf@...>

> Subject: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

>

> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 8:13 PM

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF

sensitive. I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell

phones bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD

screen and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital

camera when it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on.

I am managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor

about 20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and

keyboard chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel

set to zoom in/out.

>

> Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Rob,

 

I was originally only sensitive to magnetic frequencies.  Infact, originally, I

only reacted around iron ore deposits!  After I had a bad pesticide experience

(I was already mcs), I began reacting to all the various frequencies--radio and

magnetic.  I reacted to wireless, digital, electrical wiring issues,

vibrational frequencies....  Once one is reactive, it is necessary, as others

have mentioned, to be vigilant of other health issues.  Work to maintain as

much avoidance of all pollutants as you can.  Try to strengthen your immune

system where you can and also address pH imbalance.  Hopefully you will keep

from getting worse over time.

 

Diane

 

From: robakaradfaraf <radfaraf@...>

Subject: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 8:13 PM

 

I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF sensitive.

I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell phones

bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD screen

and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital camera when

it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on. I am

managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor about

20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and keyboard

chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel set to

zoom in/out.

Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

[Guest guest]

My history of how I got EMF sensitive is:

Got lyme disease in 2006. Was sick for a long time and diagnosed in 2009. Very

quickly became chemically sensitive to all antibiotics, but no nothing else yet.

In 2010 had some try to desensitize my IV Rocephin (antibiotic). It didn't work

which wasn't a surprise as it wasn't an allergy, but a chemical sensitivity and

I didn't know better at the time. I took the IV slowly and managed to tolerate

it for a while though it was really difficult as it causes my face and throat to

swell, my ears to ring, and after a while I got very itchy. At some point after

about two months after getting worse and worse it became intolerable and I

stopped. At that point I noticed I was chemically sensitive to pretty much all

prescription or over the counter drugs and herbs. Soon after got chemically

sensitive enough that I could not go to any place other than my house without

getting very ill. Soon after lost my job. Soon after tried experimental

treatment for lyme using a high powered frequency generator (had a 1800watt

amplifier; really stupid of me I know). Then very shortly after that I noticed I

was EMF sensitive.

I did have a doctor give me allergy injections that seem to work for doxycycline

and that does help with some of the lyme symptoms. They mainly come out now with

EMF exposure and when taking doxycycline I am a bit less sensitive. It is also

possible I got EMF sensitive much earlier as certain symptoms I now attribute to

EMF were also greatly helped by the IV and then would always come back when I

was close to needing my next days dose. I think part of what happend is the

Lyme damaged my nervous system to the point that I became EMF sensitivity and

then I further damaged myself with the frequency generator. Not all the damage

seems permanent as there is an immediate improvement noticed when on

antibiotics.

>

>

> From: robakaradfaraf <radfaraf@...>

> Subject: New here and Sensitive only to lower frequencies

>

> Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 8:13 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I became chemically sensitive and then shortly afterwards highly EMF

sensitive. I only react to lower frequencies and not wireless technologies. Cell

phones bother me, but not because of the wireless, but because they have a LCD

screen and processor giving of lower frequency EMF. For instance a digital

camera when it is on bothers me as much as a phone as long as the screen is on.

I am managing to use a computer now only because I have a large TV as a monitor

about 20 feet away along with the computer that far. I have a long mouse and

keyboard chord and manage to read the screen only because I have the mouse wheel

set to zoom in/out.

>

> Seems like most people are sensitive to wireless tech here? I wonder how that

compares to people sensitive to lower frequencies. There may be less people like

that here because they may be too sick to use a computer -- as I am in I attempt

to use one in a normal manner.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>