Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

[Guest guest]

You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10 Ubiquinol,

creatine, carnosine

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

>________________________________

>From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>

>

>Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

>Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

>

> 

>

>

>Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

>acute electrical conductivity in the heart

>leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

>This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

>and severe!!

>

>There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

>and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

>where the whole body trembles...

>

>There have been some other weird symptoms

>where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

>

>Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

>vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

>Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

>of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

>possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

>metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

>from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

>blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

>etc...

>

>I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

>and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

>for which there is no label yet!!

>

>Thanks

>

>Kookie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Are these heart symptoms happening when exposed to wireless radiation? HIgh

electric fields?

In a pinch, pure essential Oil of Lavender, 2 drops right on the heart will stop

this. It has to be a pure organic Lavender Essential OIl...the cheap ones will

not render the same help.

But you need to be aware of what is CAUSING these symptoms and address it.

Also, the thryoid controls the heart. I have known people who get these

symptoms, they thought they were anxiety attacks, which they can be...however,

when they took thyroid and adrenal supports, (starting with adrenal support

first..and then adding the thryoid support a week later) they found the anxiety

attaacks were much much reduced in severity.

And too, Magnesium deficiencies are a huge cause of heart problems.

Yes, Emf's are known to cause a whole bunch of things, diabetes and low blood

sugar being the just the tip of the iceberg.

I have a friend who carries both Lavender Oil and Bach Rescue Remedy with her,

in her purse, ....combined, they work well together. She used to get such severe

heart problems, usually when she wasn't home...that twice, she ended up in the

back of an ambulence.

ONce she started supporting the body, with thryoid/adrenal support, lots of

Magnesium Chloride OIl baths (google Mark Sircus and Magnesium and

Heart).....her episodes reduced greatly. Slowly, very slowly she is coming

around the realization that cell phones, cordless telephones, high electric

fields, high magnetic fields effect her health. She hasn't been able to wear a

watch in years...when she wears one, it STOPS.

I believe she is ES...but she is very resistent to this information.

Lizzie

From: alstrup@...

Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 07:04:15 -0700

Subject: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10 Ubiquinol,

creatine, carnosine

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

>________________________________

>From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>

>

>Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

>Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

>

>

>

>

>Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

>acute electrical conductivity in the heart

>leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

>This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

>and severe!!

>

>There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

>and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

>where the whole body trembles...

>

>There have been some other weird symptoms

>where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

>

>Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

>vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

>Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

>of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

>possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

>metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

>from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

>blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

>etc...

>

>I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

>and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

>for which there is no label yet!!

>

>Thanks

>

>Kookie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie:

Thanks for the info. Since receiving Medical Qi Gong from an

excellent practitioner, there have been huge improvements

in my symptoms, but for the last week or so, the heart spasms

have been acute and severe!!

I am NOT having anxiety attacks, in fact, I am calm when this happens. Not

panicky, and I usually feel so ill when it happens, I just sit it out...

Sometimes, I continue with my activities.

I am wondering if your friends described what I did, that is heart shaking,

heart spasms, irregular pulse, dizzy, but not panick, not stressed.

The heart feels as if its vibrating as do muscles, literally?

It it is, then quite rightly, it could by hypthyroidism, diabetes, or any number

of other medical problems.

My thyroid test came back " normal " , my blood sugar level " normal "

I was hypothryoid, unable to take Armour or Thyroxine. Recent tests for the

last six months show " normal " ...

Why thyroid & adrenal support did she take?

I read a published paper recently which mentions diabetes

can be caused by EMF, in which case, I would postulate

why not hypothyroidism??? It can cause so much damage,

on all levels cascading in various symptoms for the individual.

Thanks,

Kookie

>

>

> Hi,

> Are these heart symptoms happening when exposed to wireless radiation? HIgh

electric fields?

> In a pinch, pure essential Oil of Lavender, 2 drops right on the heart will

stop this. It has to be a pure organic Lavender Essential OIl...the cheap ones

will not render the same help.

> But you need to be aware of what is CAUSING these symptoms and address it.

> Also, the thryoid controls the heart. I have known people who get these

symptoms, they thought they were anxiety attacks, which they can be...however,

when they took thyroid and adrenal supports, (starting with adrenal support

first..and then adding the thryoid support a week later) they found the anxiety

attaacks were much much reduced in severity.

> And too, Magnesium deficiencies are a huge cause of heart problems.

> Yes, Emf's are known to cause a whole bunch of things, diabetes and low blood

sugar being the just the tip of the iceberg.

> I have a friend who carries both Lavender Oil and Bach Rescue Remedy with her,

in her purse, ....combined, they work well together. She used to get such severe

heart problems, usually when she wasn't home...that twice, she ended up in the

back of an ambulence.

> ONce she started supporting the body, with thryoid/adrenal support, lots of

Magnesium Chloride OIl baths (google Mark Sircus and Magnesium and

Heart).....her episodes reduced greatly. Slowly, very slowly she is coming

around the realization that cell phones, cordless telephones, high electric

fields, high magnetic fields effect her health. She hasn't been able to wear a

watch in years...when she wears one, it STOPS.

> I believe she is ES...but she is very resistent to this information.

> Lizzie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: alstrup@...

> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 07:04:15 -0700

> Subject: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

>

>

>

>

>

> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10 Ubiquinol,

creatine, carnosine

> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

>

> >________________________________

> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>

> >

> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >and severe!!

> >

> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >where the whole body trembles...

> >

> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >

> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

> >etc...

> >

> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >Kookie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks, Ole. I have been taking a protein powder

made from yellow spilt peas which contains

high amount of amino acids. I will try this again.

I also bought hemp oil and hemp powder which

contains even higher amount. Will try this again...

Kookie

>

> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10 Ubiquinol,

creatine, carnosine

> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

>

>

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>

> >

> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >and severe!!

> >

> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >where the whole body trembles...

> >

> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >

> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

> >etc...

> >

> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >Kookie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good article, just read it.

I had no idea that being low on Q10 could cause those symptoms.

Its difficult, other deficiencies can cause same symptoms, cramps,

etc.. which I have.

Have been on very limited diet since 2002 because of allergies.

It makes sense there are some deficiencies. A few years ago, I was

tested for Q10 level, it was lowish..

May have to try this asap, and who knows.

Which would be the best C0Q10 to try???

Kookie

>

> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10 Ubiquinol,

creatine, carnosine

> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

>

>

>

>

>

> >________________________________

> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>

> >

> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >and severe!!

> >

> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >where the whole body trembles...

> >

> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >

> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

> >etc...

> >

> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >Kookie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kooky,

I have had the symptoms you describe when subjected to particular emfs.  For

me, it is full on dysautonomia.  Emfs can affect my bp, bs--high and low,

temperature, shaking/ vibrating, heart fibs--pounding, racing, skipping beats,

vibrating (not as bad as you mentioned tho--not to the point I am *actually*

visually shaking all over--I shake a little bit and it causes muscle weakness,

but inside I am shaking a lot.)  My respiration is also affected, and I can

have anaphylactic/ asthma symptoms and great anxiety....  I have also had

mini-strokes.  [i seem to be worse with migraines and strokes when the sun

flares are bad, also; so outright strokes might be more solar than emfs--not

sure.  I have a type of absence seizure which started last March, after not

having it for about 10 years.  The mini-strokes followed it and later, last

July, I had an actual stroke, but again, this was the first one in about 10

years.  It did follow being emf-ed, tho.]

And, yes, this is why I began ion channel searching, because I knew a bit about

ion channels previously due to having celiac disease, and realized emfs could

have a huge impact on those (especially since I also have celiac disease, which

also affects tjs and ion channels).  For me, personally, calcium AEP and

pantethine help A LOT with all these symptoms.  This is likely due to helping

the adrenal glands, but I could be wrong.  I also appear, personally, to need a

great deal of calcium, so I feel that I have calcium leaking--and I *do* appear

to respond well to natural calcium channel blockers (manganese and taurine).  I

have begun to suspect that not all who have ES, tho, have calcium leakage, but

some instead are experiencing leakage of other ion channels (potassium, sodium

channels....) 

Interesting about the lamb--I will have to investigate and see what nutrients

lamb is high in.  I don't know whether emfs can directly destroy nutrients, but

I suspect greatly that they can sometimes cause tj damage in the gut, which

negatively affects absorption for various nutrients (calcium, being one).  [if

emfs open tjs in the BBB, it is just as likely particular emfs do the same in

the gut.] 

As to your questions about hypoglycemia and diabetes.....  I had pre-diabetic

hypoglycemia from the age of 16, till just AFTER I went gluten-free (which

helped close the tjs in my gut and BBB).  After going gf, I almost immediately

became diabetic.  HOWEVER, I now notice I am diabetic only in my old house!  I

am normal or pre- diabetic hypoglycemic in my new house.  It has to have

something to do with the emf difference between the two houses.  I also notice

I spike--bs gets very high and quickly plummets to too low bs--when I am emf-ed

badly.  So, you do the math!  I feel like I could eat a cow when I am badly

emf-ed. 

Other nutrients which have helped me are:  B12, CoQ10, D3, molybdenum, Bs in

general, vit A, vit C (all natural supps).  I also see great help from pure

virgin coconut oil (helps especially with the blood sugar issue).

Hope this helps you; sorry to hear you are having all these problems,

Diane

From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>

Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 9:53 AM

 

Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

acute electrical conductivity in the heart

leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

and severe!!

There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

where the whole body trembles...

There have been some other weird symptoms

where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

etc...

I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

for which there is no label yet!!

Thanks

Kookie

[Guest guest]

WOW, this is amazing.

I just read the symptoms of QO10 deficiency, and I have all of them!!

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=118

It all makes sense to me now. For a few years I had to eat large

quantities of lamb to calm those palps. it worked - for a while.

Lamb contains Q10!! I am allergic to fish, which contains higher.

I tried L-Carnitine, and that helped, again, not sustainable. Then

all amino acids from yellow split peas, and green peas, and Hemp.

Didn't help much, high content of all amino acids!

Am also low on folic acid and omega fatty acids, but allergic to

fish, and flax seed oil does not convert well to DHA & EPA.

Low on other nutrients due to restrictive diet for so long.

I have little doubt that Q10 has a role to play in those palps

and weird hypoglycemic attacks, cramps, bleeding gums

and so forth.

I will order the Jarrow formula. I read that Now is also good

as well as Life Extension. I am worried about beeswax it contains!!

I heard about other people saying that when they took Q10 it triggered

palpitations. Would that be because the dose was too high?

I started on a multi vits and minerals a few days ago..

Does not contain all necessary nutrients, nor does it contain

Q10. In anycase, if I was low a few years ago, then...

> >>

> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >________________________________

> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> >> >

> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > 

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >> >and severe!!

> >> >

> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >> >where the whole body trembles...

> >> >

> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >> >

> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

> >> >etc...

> >> >

> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >> >

> >> >Thanks

> >> >

> >> >Kookie

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Its a good find. There are so many variations

which are akin to mitochondrial diseases,

most are difficult to diagnose...

Often meds are implicated in causing damage

to various metabolizing pathways, notably fluoroquinolones

antibiotics and the L-Carnitine pathways. No doubt, that

there are other meds causing similar.

According to hundreds of articles, both OTC meds

and prescribed meds cause damage to the mito,

manifesting sometimes, years later. UGHhh

>

>

>

> http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/refsum/refsum.htm

>

> Has anyone looked into this possibility:  Refsum or ARD?

>

> Increasing night blindness due to degeneration of the

> retina (retinitis pigmentosa).  If the disease

progresses symptoms can be:

>

> deafness, loss of the sense of smell

> (anosmia), problems with balance and

> coordination (ataxia), dry and scaly skin (ichthyosis), and heartbeat

> abnormalities (cardiac

> arrhythmias).

>  

>  Those w this lack the enzyme to break down

> foods that contain phytanic acid, including

>

>  dairy products; beef and

> lamb; and fatty fish such as tuna, cod,

and haddock.

>

> I'd like to look into it. Both my son & I  noticed burning after eating beef.

I also noticed it

> from a vitamin that contains cod & haddock. Treatment is diet changes. Some

may need a plasma exchange.

>

> Untreated, ARD can lead to sudden death caused by heartbeat abnormalities. 

>

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> Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Is Jarrow using Kaneka Ubiquinol?

Just read Kaneka is the best...

> >> >>

> >> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> >> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> >________________________________

> >> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > 

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >> >> >and severe!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >> >> >where the whole body trembles...

> >> >> >

> >> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of

hyperinsulnemia

> >> >> >etc...

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

> >> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Thanks

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Kookie

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

I ordered this one:

http://www.jarrow.com/product.php?prodid=154

Will arrive between 20-24 August... will see if I can

it sooner!!

> >> >>

> >> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> >> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> >________________________________

> >> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > 

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >> >> >and severe!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >> >> >where the whole body trembles...

> >> >> >

> >> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of

hyperinsulnemia

> >> >> >etc...

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

> >> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Thanks

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Kookie

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Great, will check out Whole Foods tomorrow,

I live in London the UK...

>

> > >> >>

>

> > >> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

>

> > >> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

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> > >> >>

>

> > >> >> >________________________________

>

> > >> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

>

> > >> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >ÃÆ'‚ 

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

>

> > >> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

>

> > >> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

>

> > >> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

>

> > >> >> >and severe!!

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

>

> > >> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

>

> > >> >> >where the whole body trembles...

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

>

> > >> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

>

> > >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

>

> > >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

>

> > >> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

>

> > >> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

>

> > >> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

>

> > >> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

>

> > >> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of

hyperinsulnemia

>

> > >> >> >etc...

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

>

> > >> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

>

> > >> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >Thanks

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >Kookie

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >> >

>

> > >> >>

>

> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kathy, its probably quite a few things,

for instance, I read that we Vit E to process Q10,

and I am low on that too. Guess will have to spend

some time to read.

Same for Magnesium, can also cause heart spasms

and sudden cardiac death.

I read on a health forum about people suddenly dying,

and some were found to be very low on magnesium.

One man wrote about his father, who had leg cramps

and died a few months later, I often wonder how many

of those people suffered from nutrient deficiency!!

I hope that I won't react to the Q10.. SIGH, need to

keep positive.

>

> >>

>

> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

>

> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

>

> >>

>

> >>

>

> >>

>

> >>

>

> >>

>

> >> >________________________________

>

> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

>

> >> >

>

> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

>

> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

> >> >

>

> >> >

>

> >> > 

>

> >> >

>

> >> >

>

> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

>

> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

>

> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

>

> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

>

> >> >and severe!!

>

> >> >

>

> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

>

> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

>

> >> >where the whole body trembles...

>

> >> >

>

> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

>

> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

>

> >> >

>

> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

>

> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

>

> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

>

> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

>

> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

>

> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

>

> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

>

> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

>

> >> >etc...

>

> >> >

>

> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

>

> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

>

> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

>

> >> >

>

> >> >Thanks

>

> >> >

>

> >> >Kookie

>

> >> >

>

> >> >

>

> >> >

>

> >> >

>

> >> >

>

> >>

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> >>

[Guest guest]

Go to www.iherb.com

I get Healthy Origins Ubiquinol. The prices can't be beat. You can use my code,

TEV814, and get $5 off your first order if you'd like.

Steve

> >

> > You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >________________________________

> > >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> > >

> > >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> > >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >

> > >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> > >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> > >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> > >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> > >and severe!!

> > >

> > >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> > >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> > >where the whole body trembles...

> > >

> > >There have been some other weird symptoms

> > >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> > >

> > >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> > >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> > >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> > >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> > >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> > >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> > >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> > >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

> > >etc...

> > >

> > >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> > >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to diagnose

> > >for which there is no label yet!!

> > >

> > >Thanks

> > >

> > >Kookie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I had very frightening cardiac symptoms, medically tested/diagnosed. All gone

now.

My personal physician deduced the cause was dirty electricity. #1 thing to do

is reduce your exposure!

Then look at improving diet, getting metals/root canals out of mouth, etc.

Reducing all stress you can.

One-dose classical homeopathy can help greatly.

Shivani Arjuna

www.lifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot Steve,

I can't take that one, caps are safer for me,

I open them, try a tiny little bit to make sure

I don't react, then add over a period of time

before swallowing the whole dose, hence caps.

Will look for Jarrow instead in a health food shop

and keep the order from Amazon.

> > >

> > > You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> > > >

> > > >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> > > >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> > > >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> > > >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> > > >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> > > >and severe!!

> > > >

> > > >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> > > >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> > > >where the whole body trembles...

> > > >

> > > >There have been some other weird symptoms

> > > >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> > > >

> > > >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> > > >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> > > >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> > > >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> > > >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> > > >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> > > >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> > > >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of hyperinsulnemia

> > > >etc...

> > > >

> > > >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> > > >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

> > > >for which there is no label yet!!

> > > >

> > > >Thanks

> > > >

> > > >Kookie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Which homeo rem?

K

>

>

> I had very frightening cardiac symptoms, medically tested/diagnosed. All gone

now.

>

> My personal physician deduced the cause was dirty electricity. #1 thing to do

is reduce your exposure!

>

> Then look at improving diet, getting metals/root canals out of mouth, etc.

Reducing all stress you can.

>

> One-dose classical homeopathy can help greatly.

>

> Shivani Arjuna

> www.lifeEnergies.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I ordered from Amazon, just cancelled,

would take almost two weeks for delivery.

Now looking for another faster supplier!!

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> >> >> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >________________________________

> >> >> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >> >> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'‚ 

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >> >> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >> >> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >> >> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >> >> >> >and severe!!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >> >> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >> >> >> >where the whole body trembles...

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >> >> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >> >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >> >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >> >> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >> >> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >> >> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >> >> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >> >> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of

hyperinsulnemia

> >> >> >> >etc...

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >> >> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

> >> >> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Thanks

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Kookie

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Ooops, I thought it was

Ubiquinol, aghhh

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> >> >> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >________________________________

> >> >> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >> >> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'‚ 

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >> >> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >> >> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >> >> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >> >> >> >and severe!!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >> >> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >> >> >> >where the whole body trembles...

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >> >> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >> >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >> >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >> >> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >> >> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >> >> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >> >> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >> >> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of

hyperinsulnemia

> >> >> >> >etc...

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >> >> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

> >> >> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Thanks

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Kookie

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Lizzie:

Thanks for all the info.

Totally agree with you about blood tests, not only do the health

officials keep changing what constitutes " normal " but these tests

are unreliable. Its just that mine, did show normal for a while now,

the TSH was 2 or something like that.

As for vits and nutrients, there are difficulties with serum, urine,

and hair testing, as well as sweat or tissue samples. They all differ!!

Other variables contribute to inaccuracies such as metabolizing,

digestive issues, accumulation often localized, etc.. not so easy

after all.

I started eating fresh kelp, and will also pursue this avenue...

Meanwhile, I will take the supps and the Q10 since I am

deficient.

Its very difficult to rely on symptoms alone, nutrional deficiencies

are very serious, and often, symptoms are alike. Hum, many illnesses

have the same symptoms, its takes a little time to work it, whilst keeping in

mind, that there are often multi systems connected, and thus a target

approach is not an option. For instance, being low on magnesium or Q10 can

result in hypoglycemic attacks, and diabetics have been found to be low on

Magnesium..

I had no idea about pouring iodine on the belly button, simply

genial, lol. Will give it a whirl.

More and more western open minded doctors reach

the consensus that no matter what the label given to

an illness/disease, it all stems from toxicity and malnutrition

or imbalance in nutrients...

How is your friend doing now??

wrote:

>

>

> Hi Kooky and all,

> Blood tests are notorious for being in accurate. Why? Because the medical

system keeps " changing " the levels that supposedly show what's normal and what

is NOT normal, or healthy.

> What this often translates to, is that by the time mainstream medicine

diagnoses someone's thyroid being out of whack, THEIR THRYOID HAS ALREADY HIT

ROCK BOTTOM....this is something you DON " T want. The lower that thryoid goes,

the harder it is to bring it back in line. Whereas if you catch it earlier, its

much easier to deal with.

> For those who really want to check their own thryoids, put a pen/pad of paper

by your bed, take your temperature every morning BEFORE you get out of bed. If

you are using a digital thermomneter, ignore the beeps and keep it in your mouth

under tongue, for 4 min. Do this for a week...and then average out your

temperatures. Add them all up, and divide by the number of days you took your

temp. Any temp UNDER 97.6 means the thyroid is OUT of balance. If it is OVER 99,

this means the thryoid is OVER active, they call this hyPER thyroidsim. Under

active is HYPO thryoidism.

> Do NOT Rely on blood test...This is called the Basal Temperature Test

and you can find it on line, by googling it.

> Oh I absolutely believe you that you are NOT having anxiety attacks. And

because the thryoid does have a huge role in the heart, it could well BE the

thryoid that is causing this...along with being exposed to high fields, you

never asnswered that question. Is this happening under certain conditons?

> Many people are unaware that both the thryoid and adrenals WORK together. So

if the adrenals are out of whack, it is common for the thryoid to be out of

balance, as well. And why this is important? Because those with adrenal isssues

who try to take Armour, or ect....if the adrenals are out of balance, stressed,

they don't make enough of the hormone to be able to USE the thyroid support.

That means the body is not able to metabolize the thryoid help because the

adrenals are so low, they are not making enough of the hormones that are

responsible for USING the thryoid hormones. So what happens is , the thryoid

hormones build up, you feel extremely crapppy, awful in some cases....until the

high levels of thryoid that the body is simply not able to metabolize, finally

work their way out of the body.

> So many who try the thryoid and don't have a positive experience, actually

need to support the adrenal glands. This is why I said first treat the adrenals,

then add in the thyroid support.

> Here are some common symptoms of an under active thryoid: brain fog, thin

hair- lifeless no body, thin eyebrows, vision trouble, digestive issues, puffy

under the eyes, bad periods, weight problems, bad memory, can't think of the

" word " you want to use, walk out the door, forget your keys , can't find your

car in the parking lot, can't remember what you did with whatever, trouble

sleeping, wake up tired, weirded out dreams, thin nails that break all the time,

often candida issues, dry skin...heart problems. (these are just a few)

> Adrenal: bruised look under eyes, low energy, aches and pains, allergies, low

physical body strenghth, very low patience, hypoglycemic, stand up too fast, get

dizzy, feel better in bottom half of day, wake up want something sugary,

exercise makes you more tired, if someone has a cold a mile away, you catch

it...low immunity,irregular pulse and/or low pulse....if severe, weight

decreases.....**These are just a few, notice how the symptoms OVER LAP?

> This is because the thryoid and adrenals are like best friends. When one goes

down, the other jumps in to help. If no one hears them screaming for

help....THEY BOTH GO DOWN.

> My friend took: for thyroid: 1) Iodine drops - Nascent Iodine. 2) Selenium,

Thryoid Helper from www.wellnessresources.com 3) Magnesium Chloride Oil from

Ancient MInerals --google Mark Sircus, Magnesium, Leptin and

Obesity.....excellent article! Also the company that sells Ancient Minerals

Magnesium, if you read Sircus's article, he has a coupon code, they are offering

the Magnesium at a good price this week. And a good Vitamin B-complex. For

adrenals, 1) raw glandulars 2) Holy Basil Tea or capsules from Organic India

(holy basil tea helps to regulate the adrenals), 3) Turmeric capsules also from

Organic India..**She is actually Diabetic, has been for years and was able to

get off of her meds, using diet to control, once she started taking supplements

to support both her thryoid and adrenals. She also deals with candida, and eats

no wheat, no sugar, but still uses her cell phone/and cordless

phone....unfortunately. She eats high quality protein like almonds, which is

important for low adrenals..protein when you first get up, and a small amt

before you go to bed.

> Let me clarify....many people mistakenly believe they are having anxiety

attacks, when the real culprit IS the thryoid, which controls the heart- and in

many cases, the adrenals are also low.

> In the beginning, she was VERY sensitive to almost everything she tried.

Because her thryoid and adrenals were so low. The IODINE we found for her, that

putting the drops right on the belly button, 2-3 drops, let it dry....enabled

her to be able to tolerate the Iodine drops. Her metabolism was very messed up

for along time. The adrenals regulate the body's blood sugar levels, by the time

the body goes into full diabetes, those poor adrenal glands have been pushed and

pushed to their limit.

> Lizzie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: calicocat477@...

> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:06:02 -0700

> Subject: Re: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

>

>

>

>

> HI,

>

> I hope you find the supplements to help you feel better.

>

> Can you explain this type of therapy when you have time?

>

> http://www.medicalqigong.org/resources.htm#medical_qigong

>

> Kathy

>

> furstc0404@... wrote:

> Subject: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

>

> Hi Lizzie:

>

> Thanks for the info. Since receiving Medical Qi Gong from an

>

> excellent practitioner, there have been huge improvements

>

> in my symptoms, but for the last week or so, the heart spasms

>

> have been acute and severe!!

>

> I am NOT having anxiety attacks, in fact, I am calm when this happens. Not

panicky, and I usually feel so ill when it happens, I just sit it out...

>

> Sometimes, I continue with my activities.

>

> I am wondering if your friends described what I did, that is heart shaking,

heart spasms, irregular pulse, dizzy, but not panick, not stressed.

>

> The heart feels as if its vibrating as do muscles, literally?

>

> It it is, then quite rightly, it could by hypthyroidism, diabetes, or any

number of other medical problems.

>

> My thyroid test came back " normal " , my blood sugar level " normal "

>

> I was hypothryoid, unable to take Armour or Thyroxine. Recent tests for the

last six months show " normal " ...

>

> Why thyroid & adrenal support did she take?

>

> I read a published paper recently which mentions diabetes

>

> can be caused by EMF, in which case, I would postulate

>

> why not hypothyroidism??? It can cause so much damage,

>

> on all levels cascading in various symptoms for the individual.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kookie

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is only Magnesium Chloride by Bobby's Healthy Shop are

you sure it was Amazon UK?

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >> You may want to look into supplementation to cure deficiency of Q10

Ubiquinol, creatine, carnosine

> >>

> >> >> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0309174003001815

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >> >________________________________

> >>

> >> >> >From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@>

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011, 15:53

> >>

> >> >> >Subject: Heart spasms and arrythmias

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> > 

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >Has anyone heard of EMF/ES causing

> >>

> >> >> >acute electrical conductivity in the heart

> >>

> >> >> >leading to acute and severe spasms in the heart?

> >>

> >> >> >This is increasing, and becoming more frequent

> >>

> >> >> >and severe!!

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >There is a sudden increase in arrythmias

> >>

> >> >> >and heart feels as in spasm, to the point

> >>

> >> >> >where the whole body trembles...

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >There have been some other weird symptoms

> >>

> >> >> >where there is a need for large consumption of lamb!!

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >Two days ago, against my own resolution not to take

> >>

> >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

> >>

> >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

> >>

> >> >> >of those symptoms, but it continues. I am wondering if it is

> >>

> >> >> >possible for ES/EMF to cause damage to ion channels and

> >>

> >> >> >metabolizing pathways leading to inability to absorb nutrients

> >>

> >> >> >from foods? There are hypglycemic attacks, with normal

> >>

> >> >> >blood sugar level!! It does not exclude possibilities of

hyperinsulnemia

> >>

> >> >> >etc...

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >I came across a paper which mentioned EMF exposure causing diabetes

> >>

> >> >> >and who knows what other metabolic process which we are unable to

diagnose

> >>

> >> >> >for which there is no label yet!!

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >Thanks

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >Kookie

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >> >

> >>

> >> >>

> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Is this the one you bought:

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had no idea Tulsi lowers cortisol

mine is already low..

> >Subject: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

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> >Hi Lizzie:

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> >Thanks for the info. Since receiving Medical Qi Gong from an

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> >excellent practitioner, there have been huge improvements

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> >in my symptoms, but for the last week or so, the heart spasms

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> >have been acute and severe!!

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> >I am NOT having anxiety attacks, in fact, I am calm when this happens. Not

panicky, and I usually feel so ill when it happens, I just sit it out...

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> >Sometimes, I continue with my activities.

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> >I am wondering if your friends described what I did, that is heart shaking,

heart spasms, irregular pulse, dizzy, but not panick, not stressed.

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> >The heart feels as if its vibrating as do muscles, literally?

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> >It it is, then quite rightly, it could by hypthyroidism, diabetes, or any

number of other medical problems.

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> >My thyroid test came back " normal " , my blood sugar level " normal "

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> >I was hypothryoid, unable to take Armour or Thyroxine. Recent tests for the

last six months show " normal " ...

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> >Why thyroid & adrenal support did she take?

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> >I read a published paper recently which mentions diabetes

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> >can be caused by EMF, in which case, I would postulate

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> >why not hypothyroidism??? It can cause so much damage,

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> >on all levels cascading in various symptoms for the individual.

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> >Thanks,

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> >Kookie

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, I ordered the Original Magnesium Joint

spray... can't wait for it!!

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> >> >> >> >vits and supps, I started on multi adding B1 and Panthotenic

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> >> >> >> >Acid, Kelp and a multi minerals. There has been lessening,

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hyperinsulnemia

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[Guest guest]

No, thats not what I said.

What those scientists are saying, is no matter what the disease, all diseases,

no matter what we call them, or label them, resulted

from some type of toxicity or lack of a nutrient or several nutrients. These

manifest themselves with various symptoms and breakdown in connected

various systems

As you know already, if you have thyroid dysfunction, there are other

systems connected to this, ie, adrenals, pancreas, and biliary, adrenals,

kidneys, heart etc...

As for most symptoms, and I remember telling doctors my symptoms, and the honest

would say, that it could be any 40 or more disease they can think of on top of

the head!!

Meaning: The symptoms listed for adrenals and thyroid could be attributed to

other causes, likewise, some may have adrenals/thryoid issue and have no

symptoms, or few symptoms.

We are brought up to believe, that if we have symptoms=illness=disease, its

given a name, and a target approach will " cure " or " control " it... in fact,

whenever there is a health issue, its connected to all other systems, and we

simply don't have the answer how to treat at cellular level.

Yes, I read those books about thyroid/adrenals (Have three or four books at

home) use to belong thryoid forums, tried adrenal support from Nutri, saw

alternative endocrinologist specializing in treating thyroid... my

hypothyroidism was triggered by two prescribed meds

14 years ago. Its actually well known that many meds can and do cause thyroid

issues, and fluoride in tap water etc..

The problem with adrenal supps, when I was able to tolerate them about six years

ago, for a few months, then crashed when I had to stop (allergies). Its not

healthy to stay on those supps for long period of time, (IMHO) what happens when

you stop adrenal support supps?

Kookie

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> From: KathyB <calicocat477@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

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> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 3:29 PM

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> http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/refsum/refsum.htm

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> Has anyone looked into this possibility: Refsum or ARD?

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> Increasing night blindness due to degeneration of the

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> retina (retinitis pigmentosa). If the disease progresses symptoms can be:

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> deafness, loss of the sense of smell

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> (anosmia), problems with balance and

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> coordination (ataxia), dry and scaly skin (ichthyosis), and heartbeat

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> abnormalities (cardiac

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> arrhythmias).

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> Those w this lack the enzyme to break down

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> foods that contain phytanic acid, including

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> dairy products; beef and

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> lamb; and fatty fish such as tuna, cod, and haddock.

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> I'd like to look into it. Both my son & I noticed burning after eating beef.

I also noticed it

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> from a vitamin that contains cod & haddock. Treatment is diet changes. Some

may need a plasma exchange.

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> Untreated, ARD can lead to sudden death caused by heartbeat abnormalities.

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> Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster of symptoms

due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK. GPs

refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood sugar level

show normal despite the fact that it is often normal for various

type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as hyperinsulemia for

eg..

The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings could be

diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for sure, there is

also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited diet for many years.

Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number of things.

I will need to work this out without much help from doctors.

The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????

Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous small

fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried about the

cause. At one point I had those on my heels too, but more

so on fingers.

Anyone knows???

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> > From: KathyB <calicocat477@>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias

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> > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 3:29 PM

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> > http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/refsum/refsum.htm

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> > Has anyone looked into this possibility: Refsum or ARD?

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> > Increasing night blindness due to degeneration of the

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> > retina (retinitis pigmentosa). If the disease progresses symptoms can be:

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> > deafness, loss of the sense of smell

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> > (anosmia), problems with balance and

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> > coordination (ataxia), dry and scaly skin (ichthyosis), and heartbeat

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> > abnormalities (cardiac

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> > arrhythmias).

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> > Those w this lack the enzyme to break down

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> > foods that contain phytanic acid, including

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> > dairy products; beef and

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> > lamb; and fatty fish such as tuna, cod, and haddock.

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> > I'd like to look into it. Both my son & I noticed burning after eating

beef. I also noticed it

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> > from a vitamin that contains cod & haddock. Treatment is diet changes. Some

may need a plasma exchange.

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> > Untreated, ARD can lead to sudden death caused by heartbeat abnormalities.

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> > Kathy

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