Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

[Guest guest]

They do NOT operate omni-directionally. For an excellent demostration on how

smart meters work, see below video.

Smart meters are 100 times MORE POWERFUL then cell phones. As there are 3 smart

meters on this property, you'd be

exposing yourself to a HUGE amount of constantly pulsing radiation/radio

frequency.

And the farther away those smart meters are from the main data on pole or cell

towers, the stronger their signals are.

Don't believe what the smart meter industries say, when they " state " these

meters ONLY transmit once every hour...

there are literally hundreds of documented readings that SHOW these meters

transmit EVERY 15-30 seconds! The

spikes go so high, they are often OFF the charts!

As for " partially shielding " any one of these meters? this could make the

situation worse, resulting in an actual

amplifyng of the signals. Smart meters are directly hooked into the electrical

wiring, not just of homes, but in

the utility's transmission poles. The only real way to avoid that, is to be

completely off the grid. Even with that,

in this situation, you are basically right smack in the middle of the radiation

field.

Lizzie

YouTube - The Dark Side of 'Smart' Meters

33 min - Nov 1, 2010 - Uploaded by eon3... Society consulting engineer Rob

States explains how PG & E's so-called 'smart' meters work and why... ... The Dark

Side of 'Smart ...www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLeCTaSG2-U

; emfrefugee

From: article.one.mail@...

Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:05:50 -0400

Subject: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

Hi all,

There's a property I've been looking at staying on, but it has three, yes

three, smart meters on it. One for the house, one for the office space and

one for the shed. The house one is pointed away from where my trailer would

be, and is far away. The other two are perhaps 175-200 feet away from me,

one being pointed (by that I mean the front end with the LCD screen)

parallel to the length of my trailer, and the other being pointed right at

it (though probably obstructed somewhat by hills).

I'm not sure if these are the ones that go off every few minutes or just

once an hour.

Can I *partially *shield the meters so that they still function (ie, so the

property owner doesn't get any accusing phone calls from the power company

suggesting they're stealing electricity), while reducing the RF that goes in

my direction?

Does anyone know if the smart meters operate omni-directionally?

Really appreciate your help, thanks!

R.

[Guest guest]

> The only real way to avoid that, is to be completely off the grid

Uhh, that's not particularly helpful information, is it? I'm sure

that there are things to mitigate the impacts of Smart Meters on

your health, other than moving to a deserted island... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Article One wrote:

> Can I *partially *shield the meters so that they still function (ie, so the

> property owner doesn't get any accusing phone calls from the power company

> suggesting they're stealing electricity), while reducing the RF that goes in

> my direction?

>

>

_IF_ they are of the broadcast type, then shielding them would get a

visit from the company to investigate why the meter is apparantly broken.

However if they are of the kind that transmit their data across the

power lines themselves, then your attempts would have no effect. Neither

would it remove the transient frequency carrying data from the power.

> Does anyone know if the smart meters operate omni-directionally?

>

That would require them to mount an antenna that is directional. That

would not seem to be consistant with their intent to create a mesh

network. Their antennas must be non-directional.

[Guest guest]

Yes it is powerful. Don't move there. Loni

From: thode <lizt777@...>

Subject: RE: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

esens

Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 8:00 AM

 

They do NOT operate omni-directionally. For an excellent demostration on how

smart meters work, see below video.

Smart meters are 100 times MORE POWERFUL then cell phones. As there are 3 smart

meters on this property, you'd be

exposing yourself to a HUGE amount of constantly pulsing radiation/radio

frequency.

And the farther away those smart meters are from the main data on pole or cell

towers, the stronger their signals are.

Don't believe what the smart meter industries say, when they " state " these

meters ONLY transmit once every hour...

there are literally hundreds of documented readings that SHOW these meters

transmit EVERY 15-30 seconds! The

spikes go so high, they are often OFF the charts!

As for " partially shielding " any one of these meters? this could make the

situation worse, resulting in an actual

amplifyng of the signals. Smart meters are directly hooked into the electrical

wiring, not just of homes, but in

the utility's transmission poles. The only real way to avoid that, is to be

completely off the grid. Even with that,

in this situation, you are basically right smack in the middle of the radiation

field.

Lizzie

YouTube - The Dark Side of 'Smart' Meters

33 min - Nov 1, 2010 - Uploaded by eon3... Society consulting engineer Rob

States explains how PG & E's so-called 'smart' meters work and why... ... The Dark

Side of 'Smart ...www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLeCTaSG2-U

; emfrefugee

From: article.one.mail@...

Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:05:50 -0400

Subject: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

Hi all,

There's a property I've been looking at staying on, but it has three, yes

three, smart meters on it. One for the house, one for the office space and

one for the shed. The house one is pointed away from where my trailer would

be, and is far away. The other two are perhaps 175-200 feet away from me,

one being pointed (by that I mean the front end with the LCD screen)

parallel to the length of my trailer, and the other being pointed right at

it (though probably obstructed somewhat by hills).

I'm not sure if these are the ones that go off every few minutes or just

once an hour.

Can I *partially *shield the meters so that they still function (ie, so the

property owner doesn't get any accusing phone calls from the power company

suggesting they're stealing electricity), while reducing the RF that goes in

my direction?

Does anyone know if the smart meters operate omni-directionally?

Really appreciate your help, thanks!

R.

[Guest guest]

Some utilities offer alternatives like my prepay meter. Living off grid would be

difficult.

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: RE: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 8:08 AM

 

> The only real way to avoid that, is to be completely off the grid

Uhh, that's not particularly helpful information, is it? I'm sure

that there are things to mitigate the impacts of Smart Meters on

your health, other than moving to a deserted island... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc wrote:

>> The only real way to avoid that, is to be completely off the grid

>>

>

> Uhh, that's not particularly helpful information, is it? I'm sure

> that there are things to mitigate the impacts of Smart Meters on

> your health, other than moving to a deserted island... :-)

>

No, but to be realistic, if the designers of the grid want it to be

broadcasting noise (from our point of view) then the only way to avoid

the effects is to avoid the grid.

The alternatives may not be palatable, as I react to the frequencies etc

given off by a power inverter, the kind that converts 12V DC battery to

120V AC power.

Only realistic solution I see is to run the necessary power in metal

conduit, and clean it up with filters or an isolation-type

non-interruptible power supply. If going solar, then the electronics

need to be away from the home. And since the batteries need to be kept

warm, some alternative solution must be found than putting them in your

bedroom.

Seriously, some have their battery bank in their bedroom and don't know

why they are sick.

I'm all for a deserted island with the way things are going.

[Guest guest]

> They do NOT operate omni-directionally.

What is your source for this information, Lizzie? With

a simple Google search, I can find Smart Meter manufacturer

websites that describe them as omni-directional. And that

is the only thing would make any sense from a technical

point of view.

> Smart meters are 100 times MORE POWERFUL then cell phones.

Well, according to one person, at least. Could be less,

could be more... also, I think that 100x number assumes

that you spend all of your life within 3 feet of a smart

meter.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

Good to see some lively discussion, even if we don't all agree on

everything.

Now, what I can say, at least from having stood for a few minutes with my RF

meter in hand by where my trailer is parked on this property, is that I was

not picking up pulses from the smart meter(s) every second or numerous times

per minute. I think that there are different types of smart meters, and not

all of them send a signal the same number of times per minute/hour/day.

So, , are you saying that if I stood to the *side* of a smart meter

and picked up its transmitting pulse with my RF meter, that would indicate

that it's omnidirectional?

I'm not talking about wrapping these things in foil (tempting though that

sounds); I'm talking about maybe sticking a piece of clearshield on the

front of them, or putting a square of sheet metal on a post some distance

away from whichever part of the smart meter is pointed toward where my

trailer is, to bounce back some of the RF.

I haven't run thorough tests on the ones on this property yet; what I've

said are my preliminary observations.

I have to weigh it like this: In this house, there is virtually no to very

little cell phone tower noise, even with my most sensitive meter. Yet, once

I walk/bike/drive into town (these are the suburbs), there are plenty of

towers, shops have WiFi networks, and you can't walk by ten people without

seeing at least one yakking on their cellphone. Additionally, every house

in this town has an active smart meter. That's over forty thousand smart

meters. The one on this house is closer to my bedroom than the two on this

rural property would be to my trailer.

Conversely, this rural property has two smart meters 175-200 feet away from

my trailer. Perhaps they can be partially shielded as I described above

without impeding their function. My trailer is also, in essence, a shielded

box. This property does receive the internet wirelessly, but anyone who's

seen my previous message, and 's reply, will see that it's possible

that the signal they receive is fairly weak and line-of-sight, high up,

since the RF meters don't pick it up ambiently out of proximity to the

outdoor receiving modem.

*Optional reading for those who simply wish to reply to the above follows

below:*

Both places have their pros and cons. I am still wary of this other

property, but then again - is my current location a perfect spot, either?

Not truly. Maybe the countryside will do me good. It's *so* quiet there;

you wouldn't believe how many birds there are on this gorgeous property.* *No

traffic noise, no construction.

As for going off grid and electrical dirt, etc.: I run the trailer off

batteries, but I don't have a solar setup. I need AC power to charge the

batteries. The charger I have generates some AM radio noise at the source

(the charger), but that doesn't seem to carry at all into the trailer. It

drops off fast. Looking inside the charger, it appears to be a simple

linear transformer, not one of these " intelligent " , high-noise switching

chargers.

I also need to be able to use my computer in the trailer (it's a modified,

lower EMF, fanless, solid state computer with a modified monitor). I would

run ethernet cable from the property owners office space. I need 'net

access to do the bit of online work I can do. So, I need AC power from an

outdoor outlet near the office space.

Let me tell you, the power quality in these people's buildings is *crap*.

They're nice folks, and generous about sharing their land, and wealthy, and

though open minded, have bought into the high-tech nonsense. They've got

big TVs, they've got CFLs, WiFi routers and DECT phones. The man who owns

the place runs a company; he looks dazed all the time. The AM radio goes

ape-sh*t when I bring it into his office, I've never even heard the noises

it makes in there before; it's quite something.

Yet, I need some of that electricity to charge the batteries and use my

computer. So, I got a decent 20A rated powerline filter, made by Schaffner.

I have its chassis mounted on a flat metal ground plane, and the this

ground plane is attached with really heavy gauge copper wire to a copper

ground rod in wet soil.

It performs quite well! The difference in AM noise on the line between the

unfiltered AC extension cord, and after the grounded filter is considerable.

Is it perfect? No. I don't have hundreds or thousands of dollars for a

military grade powerline filter, but if I build an off grid system, I'll

have to get one.

However, comparing the filtered line there to the normal AC line in our

house, I'd say that there's probably not any more noise than here.

Neither's perfect, but again, I need to weigh the pros and cons. If I can

convince these people to " clean up " their act, I will be pleased.

All I can say is that I'll have to try the place out. If I feel better, I

stay. If not, I go. Thanks all for your replies, and if you've got any

more sound advice, please keep it coming.

Thanks!

Take care,

R.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> > They do NOT operate omni-directionally.

>

> What is your source for this information, Lizzie? With

> a simple Google search, I can find Smart Meter manufacturer

> websites that describe them as omni-directional. And that

> is the only thing would make any sense from a technical

> point of view.

>

> > Smart meters are 100 times MORE POWERFUL then cell phones.

>

> Well, according to one person, at least. Could be less,

> could be more... also, I think that 100x number assumes

> that you spend all of your life within 3 feet of a smart

> meter.

>

> Marc

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They do NOT operate omni-directionally.

> >

> > What is your source for this information, Lizzie? With

> > a simple Google search, I can find Smart Meter manufacturer

> > websites that describe them as omni-directional. And that

> > is the only thing would make any sense from a technical

> > point of view.

My reply:

I generally don't trust someone who has a " vested " interest in marketing a

product.

I tend to go with independent sources. Also, if you read what the utility

companies

are saying about the health effects of smart meters, THEY ARE STATING THERE ARE

NO

ILL HEALTH EFFECTS from radio frequency smart meters. (I'm paraphrasing, but

that IS what they are saying.)

So coming from someone is has personal experience with ES, how does that work?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cell phone companies have been saying the same

thing; that cell phone radiation

is SAFE. So to me, there's not much difference between the lies coming from the

cell phone manufacturers

and the lies coming from the smart meter makers. Same radio frequency/wireless

radiation/non-ionising radiation..whatever phrase you want to use to describe

AMI smart meter technology. While it is true, that there are different

" generations " of the smart meters, they are ALL radio frequency wireless

technology. IF its AMI technology, its radio frequency wireless technology.

That's what the A stands for, automatic reader...it can be read automatically

because it is wireless.

Does a cell phone only transmit its signal in " one " direction?

I respectfully rest my case.

It is good that we don't always agree....bouncing various information back and

forth gives birth to new information.

I do give credit to the theory of trying to " bounce " the RF away from the

trailer area. It has merit when dealing with one smart meter, how it plays out

in reality with 3, I guess you'll have to keep us posted.

Lizzie

> ; emfrefugee

> From: article.one.mail@...

> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:15:59 -0400

> Subject: Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still

works)?

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Good to see some lively discussion, even if we don't all agree on

> everything.

>

> Now, what I can say, at least from having stood for a few minutes with my RF

> meter in hand by where my trailer is parked on this property, is that I was

> not picking up pulses from the smart meter(s) every second or numerous times

> per minute. I think that there are different types of smart meters, and not

> all of them send a signal the same number of times per minute/hour/day.

>

> So, , are you saying that if I stood to the *side* of a smart meter

> and picked up its transmitting pulse with my RF meter, that would indicate

> that it's omnidirectional?

>

> I'm not talking about wrapping these things in foil (tempting though that

> sounds); I'm talking about maybe sticking a piece of clearshield on the

> front of them, or putting a square of sheet metal on a post some distance

> away from whichever part of the smart meter is pointed toward where my

> trailer is, to bounce back some of the RF.

>

> I haven't run thorough tests on the ones on this property yet; what I've

> said are my preliminary observations.

>

> I have to weigh it like this: In this house, there is virtually no to very

> little cell phone tower noise, even with my most sensitive meter. Yet, once

> I walk/bike/drive into town (these are the suburbs), there are plenty of

> towers, shops have WiFi networks, and you can't walk by ten people without

> seeing at least one yakking on their cellphone. Additionally, every house

> in this town has an active smart meter. That's over forty thousand smart

> meters. The one on this house is closer to my bedroom than the two on this

> rural property would be to my trailer.

>

> Conversely, this rural property has two smart meters 175-200 feet away from

> my trailer. Perhaps they can be partially shielded as I described above

> without impeding their function. My trailer is also, in essence, a shielded

> box. This property does receive the internet wirelessly, but anyone who's

> seen my previous message, and 's reply, will see that it's possible

> that the signal they receive is fairly weak and line-of-sight, high up,

> since the RF meters don't pick it up ambiently out of proximity to the

> outdoor receiving modem.

>

> *Optional reading for those who simply wish to reply to the above follows

> below:*

>

> Both places have their pros and cons. I am still wary of this other

> property, but then again - is my current location a perfect spot, either?

> Not truly. Maybe the countryside will do me good. It's *so* quiet there;

> you wouldn't believe how many birds there are on this gorgeous property.* *No

> traffic noise, no construction.

>

> As for going off grid and electrical dirt, etc.: I run the trailer off

> batteries, but I don't have a solar setup. I need AC power to charge the

> batteries. The charger I have generates some AM radio noise at the source

> (the charger), but that doesn't seem to carry at all into the trailer. It

> drops off fast. Looking inside the charger, it appears to be a simple

> linear transformer, not one of these " intelligent " , high-noise switching

> chargers.

>

> I also need to be able to use my computer in the trailer (it's a modified,

> lower EMF, fanless, solid state computer with a modified monitor). I would

> run ethernet cable from the property owners office space. I need 'net

> access to do the bit of online work I can do. So, I need AC power from an

> outdoor outlet near the office space.

>

> Let me tell you, the power quality in these people's buildings is *crap*.

> They're nice folks, and generous about sharing their land, and wealthy, and

> though open minded, have bought into the high-tech nonsense. They've got

> big TVs, they've got CFLs, WiFi routers and DECT phones. The man who owns

> the place runs a company; he looks dazed all the time. The AM radio goes

> ape-sh*t when I bring it into his office, I've never even heard the noises

> it makes in there before; it's quite something.

>

> Yet, I need some of that electricity to charge the batteries and use my

> computer. So, I got a decent 20A rated powerline filter, made by Schaffner.

> I have its chassis mounted on a flat metal ground plane, and the this

> ground plane is attached with really heavy gauge copper wire to a copper

> ground rod in wet soil.

>

> It performs quite well! The difference in AM noise on the line between the

> unfiltered AC extension cord, and after the grounded filter is considerable.

> Is it perfect? No. I don't have hundreds or thousands of dollars for a

> military grade powerline filter, but if I build an off grid system, I'll

> have to get one.

>

> However, comparing the filtered line there to the normal AC line in our

> house, I'd say that there's probably not any more noise than here.

> Neither's perfect, but again, I need to weigh the pros and cons. If I can

> convince these people to " clean up " their act, I will be pleased.

>

> All I can say is that I'll have to try the place out. If I feel better, I

> stay. If not, I go. Thanks all for your replies, and if you've got any

> more sound advice, please keep it coming.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Take care,

>

> R.

>

>

>

> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > > They do NOT operate omni-directionally.

> >

> > What is your source for this information, Lizzie? With

> > a simple Google search, I can find Smart Meter manufacturer

> > websites that describe them as omni-directional. And that

> > is the only thing would make any sense from a technical

> > point of view.

> >

> > > Smart meters are 100 times MORE POWERFUL then cell phones.

> >

> > Well, according to one person, at least. Could be less,

> > could be more... also, I think that 100x number assumes

> > that you spend all of your life within 3 feet of a smart

> > meter.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A woman in Chicago coverehers with foil. The utility company said they were

going to sue her. She said " Great. If I sued you, I'd have to pay. if you sue

me, I get to share information in the courtroom about these meters, for free,

and the public will learn a lot! " The company has not said anything more. They

come and take off the foil to take a reading, and she replaces it.

You need to enclose the meter entirely to stop the airborne signal. There may

still be signal on the building wiring, though.

Shivani A.

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

On 6/25/2011 3:41 PM, thode wrote:

> They do NOT operate omni-directionally.

> Does a cell phone only transmit its signal in " one " direction?

> I respectfully rest my case.

Lizzie, I think we are actually in agreement here -- it's just

that you don't seem to know what " Omnidirectional " actually

means... :-)

From wikipedia:

" Omnidirectional antenna - an antenna that radiates equally in

all directions "

Marc

[Guest guest]

Great info, Shivani! 

 

Thanks for sharing.  Also, for newbies' info, I had the water utility bury

their smart meter in my yard, out by the road, rather than have it out of the

ground sending signals.  They still have to send a meter reader out to read

it.  I can still pick up frequencies from it from 12 feet away, but you can

feel frequencies from it much further than that out of the ground.  If you do

this, have them use plastic pipe into your house and have them ground the meter

well where the water enters the plastic pipe at the meter, or frequencies will

go into your house on the water supply.

 

Diane

From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...>

Subject: Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 10:34 PM

 

A woman in Chicago coverehers with foil. The utility company said they were

going to sue her. She said " Great. If I sued you, I'd have to pay. if you sue

me, I get to share information in the courtroom about these meters, for free,

and the public will learn a lot! " The company has not said anything more. They

come and take off the foil to take a reading, and she replaces it.

You need to enclose the meter entirely to stop the airborne signal. There may

still be signal on the building wiring, though.

Shivani A.

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

Ha, good for her! Believe you me, I'd love to wrap these things in foil (or

wack 'em with something heavy and blunt, lol), but I've probably already

surprised these people who own this land a little bit with my peculiarities,

and will probably surprise them more with the things I have to say, if I

ever have time to talk to them. I can't have the utility company harassing

them; I need to keep on good terms with them for my own reputation, out of

respect for them letting me, if I want to, live on their land for free, and

for my partner's sake who lives there, too.

Suppose the best thing I can do is set up an intermediary, directional

shield (if my meters show it could work) between the smart meter and where

my trailer is. We'll see; I hope it all goes well. I've got (don't know if

you saw it in my previous post a decent, grounded, RF powerline filter on

the AC cord that'll charge my batteries and power my computer, to clean up

much of the dirt from the line.

Cheers, and thanks for the great story.

R.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:34 PM, <SArjuna@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

>

> A woman in Chicago coverehers with foil. The utility company said they were

> going to sue her. She said " Great. If I sued you, I'd have to pay. if you

> sue me, I get to share information in the courtroom about these meters, for

> free, and the public will learn a lot! " The company has not said anything

> more. They come and take off the foil to take a reading, and she replaces

> it.

>

> You need to enclose the meter entirely to stop the airborne signal. There

> may still be signal on the building wiring, though.

>

> Shivani A.

> www.LifeEnergies.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi R. and all,

This reply touches on a couple threads.

> Now, what I can say, at least from having stood for a few minutes with my RF

> meter in hand by where my trailer is parked on this property, is that I was

> not picking up pulses from the smart meter(s) every second or numerous times

> per minute. I think that there are different types of smart meters, and not

> all of them send a signal the same number of times per minute/hour/day.

>

I think the determining factor, is now many other smart meters are around.

Culverpratt just wrote yesterday that the pules are completely

unpredictable.

Of course, one meter emits an outgoing packet every _x_ hours. It

transmits to the next closest meter in a mesh network, or to the tower

if close enough. That meter sends the packet on to the next meter, and

so on until it reaches the tower.

The more smart meters around, the more often the chirping, and the

higher the exposure, and the faster people will get sick.

So if you are in a very rural area, and IF the meter is wireless, and

not just transmitting back along the power line, as they are going to do

here, then there are simply more than one possibility and outcome to

check for. etc. Make sense?

> So, , are you saying that if I stood to the *side* of a smart meter

> and picked up its transmitting pulse with my RF meter, that would indicate

> that it's omnidirectional?

>

Yes, I can't imagine them not being omnidirectional. I would simply want

to know if it broadcasts wireless.

> I'm not talking about wrapping these things in foil (tempting though that

> sounds); I'm talking about maybe sticking a piece of clearshield on the

> front of them, or putting a square of sheet metal on a post some distance

> away from whichever part of the smart meter is pointed toward where my

> trailer is, to bounce back some of the RF.

>

>

Good plan, maybe even bounce it up or down or away from your friendly

and helpful neighbor.

> That's over forty thousand smart

> meters. The one on this house is closer to my bedroom than the two on this

> rural property would be to my trailer.

>

But the exposure levels are going to be different, as I think you have

figured out. One bird chirping is not like a flock of starlings.

> The charger I have generates some AM radio noise at the source

> (the charger), but that doesn't seem to carry at all into the trailer. It

> drops off fast.

What I did when in a trailer, was to put the NAPA auto automatic battery

charger 50+ feet away in or on a building close by, providing power.

Then run a 12 guage romex/insulated set of wires to the trailer

batteries. Then I ran the Norcold amonia fridge (no compressor) on a

heavy duty extension cord, so that it wouldn't use propane, and didn't

bother me up front. (bed in back, away from power box). Re-wired the

furnace so it wouldn't use the chassis as a ground loop, and it was quiet.

> they've got CFLs, WiFi routers and DECT phones.

That is disturbing. That should be a higher concern than one smart meter.

> The man who owns

> the place runs a company; he looks dazed all the time. The AM radio goes

> ape-sh*t when I bring it into his office, I've never even heard the noises

> it makes in there before; it's quite something.

>

And so it may be starting to affect him.

Are there any hills/buildings/trees to block the " view " from his place

to your trailer?

> All I can say is that I'll have to try the place out. If I feel better, I

> stay. If not, I go.

Hope it goes well,

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Thanks for your thorough replies!

You make good points. The best thing to do is some comprehensive testing

when I'm there. I think I am planning to try it out; if I find I do well

there, or no worse than here, then I should make the most of the chance to

spend some time in an otherwise clean, quiet, rural setting. I'd likely try

out putting up a piece of sheet metal on a post first, as it takes away the

risk of tampering with the actual smart meter itself.

The meters, to the best of my knowledge, operate strictly wirelessly. The

area is fairly rural; people don't even get cell reception without driving

way up a hill on the property, thank goodness. (I swear, if people ever

come to their senses about all this, the whole " smart grid " thing, along

with the rest of the wireless madness will turn into a " What the hell were

we thinking? " laughingstock.)

The charger we have for the batteries does generate some AM noise that

sounds typical of a linear transformer, but doesn't seem to carry into the

trailer wiring at all. The magnetic field is high but drops off fairly

quickly with distance. If I could run it from that far away I would, but

we've already invested what is for us a lot of money in heavy duty extension

cords and water piping. Good idea, though.

The fridge runs on propane; whisper-quiet, very efficient, never bothered

me. Uses the flame to circulate ammonia; never tried plugging it into AC

before. It's made by Dometic.

How did you rewire the furnace (if you can explain in layman's terms)? The

furnace is an old Duotherm that came with the trailer, it still works fine.

It does generate a local magnetic field, and some " hot spots " in the

trailer walls (probably from wiring), and some RF noise from the

blower/motor, but I've found that staying away from it when running (ie, on

the bed) hasn't proven problematic. But what you said about the furnace

sounds interesting; I'd like to hear more if you've got the chance.

As for their WiFi (not counting the wireless broadband reception they get,

which, as we discussed, may not be that bad if it's mostly line-of-sight),

CFLs, big TVs and DECT phones, well, the unfortunate truth is that it's

mighty hard to find people who don't have some such combination in their

homes these days. The good news is that almost everyone I've taken the time

to inform has listened and acted to some extent. These people might be

tricky, since they've really entrenched themselves in it, but we'll see.

One farm family even refused a $12,000/year rental offer from a telcom

company to put a tower on their land because of what I told them, even

though they really could've used the money.

The house (where some of this " gear " is) is pretty far from the trailer.

The office building is closer, but has what are likely thick walls and is

partially shielded by a metal roof. It's maybe 200 or more feet from the

trailer, and not directly line-of-sight, more off on an angle, and there is

some degree of terrain between us and it. The trailer's about as far away

as possible from the buildings, short of a very prohibitive investment in

long, long, heavy gauge wires, hoses and fiber optic cable.

I, if I stay, plan to have as little as possible to do with/in their

buildings.

Thanks again!

Take care,

R.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, S son <sandreas41@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi R. and all,

> This reply touches on a couple threads.

>

>

> > Now, what I can say, at least from having stood for a few minutes with my

> RF

> > meter in hand by where my trailer is parked on this property, is that I

> was

> > not picking up pulses from the smart meter(s) every second or numerous

> times

> > per minute. I think that there are different types of smart meters, and

> not

> > all of them send a signal the same number of times per minute/hour/day.

> >

>

> I think the determining factor, is now many other smart meters are around.

> Culverpratt just wrote yesterday that the pules are completely

> unpredictable.

> Of course, one meter emits an outgoing packet every _x_ hours. It

> transmits to the next closest meter in a mesh network, or to the tower

> if close enough. That meter sends the packet on to the next meter, and

> so on until it reaches the tower.

>

> The more smart meters around, the more often the chirping, and the

> higher the exposure, and the faster people will get sick.

> So if you are in a very rural area, and IF the meter is wireless, and

> not just transmitting back along the power line, as they are going to do

> here, then there are simply more than one possibility and outcome to

> check for. etc. Make sense?

>

>

> > So, , are you saying that if I stood to the *side* of a smart

> meter

> > and picked up its transmitting pulse with my RF meter, that would

> indicate

> > that it's omnidirectional?

> >

> Yes, I can't imagine them not being omnidirectional. I would simply want

> to know if it broadcasts wireless.

>

>

> > I'm not talking about wrapping these things in foil (tempting though that

> > sounds); I'm talking about maybe sticking a piece of clearshield on the

> > front of them, or putting a square of sheet metal on a post some distance

> > away from whichever part of the smart meter is pointed toward where my

> > trailer is, to bounce back some of the RF.

> >

> >

> Good plan, maybe even bounce it up or down or away from your friendly

> and helpful neighbor.

>

>

> > That's over forty thousand smart

> > meters. The one on this house is closer to my bedroom than the two on

> this

> > rural property would be to my trailer.

> >

> But the exposure levels are going to be different, as I think you have

> figured out. One bird chirping is not like a flock of starlings.

>

>

> > The charger I have generates some AM radio noise at the source

> > (the charger), but that doesn't seem to carry at all into the trailer. It

> > drops off fast.

>

> What I did when in a trailer, was to put the NAPA auto automatic battery

> charger 50+ feet away in or on a building close by, providing power.

> Then run a 12 guage romex/insulated set of wires to the trailer

> batteries. Then I ran the Norcold amonia fridge (no compressor) on a

> heavy duty extension cord, so that it wouldn't use propane, and didn't

> bother me up front. (bed in back, away from power box). Re-wired the

> furnace so it wouldn't use the chassis as a ground loop, and it was quiet.

>

>

> > they've got CFLs, WiFi routers and DECT phones.

> That is disturbing. That should be a higher concern than one smart meter.

>

>

> > The man who owns

> > the place runs a company; he looks dazed all the time. The AM radio goes

> > ape-sh*t when I bring it into his office, I've never even heard the

> noises

> > it makes in there before; it's quite something.

> >

> And so it may be starting to affect him.

> Are there any hills/buildings/trees to block the " view " from his place

> to your trailer?

>

>

> > All I can say is that I'll have to try the place out. If I feel better, I

> > stay. If not, I go.

>

> Hope it goes well,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am new to this so bear with me as I get up to speed with you

chaps. I may be a little off kilter and not entirely thinking

straight because of this wireless hell I have ended up in. I want

to just rip them off the wall right now or smash them would be more

satisfying. I like the video recently of the lady that got

arrested. She had balls. Maybe in jail the wireless will be better

than my flat!

What is the worst they could do to me? Wouldn't the news report be

better than just putting up with these wankers and their meters?

I need a voice of reason right now. Other than live out of my car

in the country, has anybody just smashed these meters and got them

replaced with something else?

in hell...

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:43:37 -0400 Article One

<article.one.mail@...> wrote:

>Hello ,

>

>Thanks for your thorough replies!

>

>You make good points. The best thing to do is some comprehensive

>testing

>when I'm there. I think I am planning to try it out; if I find I

>do well

>there, or no worse than here, then I should make the most of the

>chance to

>spend some time in an otherwise clean, quiet, rural setting. I'd

>likely try

>out putting up a piece of sheet metal on a post first, as it takes

>away the

>risk of tampering with the actual smart meter itself.

>

>The meters, to the best of my knowledge, operate strictly

>wirelessly. The

>area is fairly rural; people don't even get cell reception without

>driving

>way up a hill on the property, thank goodness. (I swear, if

>people ever

>come to their senses about all this, the whole " smart grid " thing,

>along

>with the rest of the wireless madness will turn into a " What the

>hell were

>we thinking? " laughingstock.)

>

>The charger we have for the batteries does generate some AM noise

>that

>sounds typical of a linear transformer, but doesn't seem to carry

>into the

>trailer wiring at all. The magnetic field is high but drops off

>fairly

>quickly with distance. If I could run it from that far away I

>would, but

>we've already invested what is for us a lot of money in heavy duty

>extension

>cords and water piping. Good idea, though.

>

>The fridge runs on propane; whisper-quiet, very efficient, never

>bothered

>me. Uses the flame to circulate ammonia; never tried plugging it

>into AC

>before. It's made by Dometic.

>

>How did you rewire the furnace (if you can explain in layman's

>terms)? The

>furnace is an old Duotherm that came with the trailer, it still

>works fine.

> It does generate a local magnetic field, and some " hot spots " in

>the

>trailer walls (probably from wiring), and some RF noise from the

>blower/motor, but I've found that staying away from it when

>running (ie, on

>the bed) hasn't proven problematic. But what you said about the

>furnace

>sounds interesting; I'd like to hear more if you've got the

>chance.

>

>As for their WiFi (not counting the wireless broadband reception

>they get,

>which, as we discussed, may not be that bad if it's mostly line-of-

>sight),

>CFLs, big TVs and DECT phones, well, the unfortunate truth is that

>it's

>mighty hard to find people who don't have some such combination in

>their

>homes these days. The good news is that almost everyone I've

>taken the time

>to inform has listened and acted to some extent. These people

>might be

>tricky, since they've really entrenched themselves in it, but

>we'll see.

> One farm family even refused a $12,000/year rental offer from a

>telcom

>company to put a tower on their land because of what I told them,

>even

>though they really could've used the money.

>

>The house (where some of this " gear " is) is pretty far from the

>trailer.

>

>The office building is closer, but has what are likely thick walls

>and is

>partially shielded by a metal roof. It's maybe 200 or more feet

>from the

>trailer, and not directly line-of-sight, more off on an angle, and

>there is

>some degree of terrain between us and it. The trailer's about as

>far away

>as possible from the buildings, short of a very prohibitive

>investment in

>long, long, heavy gauge wires, hoses and fiber optic cable.

>

>I, if I stay, plan to have as little as possible to do with/in

>their

>buildings.

>

>Thanks again!

>

>Take care,

>

>R.

>

>

>

>

>

>On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, S son

><sandreas41@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Hi R. and all,

>> This reply touches on a couple threads.

>>

>>

>> > Now, what I can say, at least from having stood for a few

>minutes with my

>> RF

>> > meter in hand by where my trailer is parked on this property,

>is that I

>> was

>> > not picking up pulses from the smart meter(s) every second or

>numerous

>> times

>> > per minute. I think that there are different types of smart

>meters, and

>> not

>> > all of them send a signal the same number of times per

>minute/hour/day.

>> >

>>

>> I think the determining factor, is now many other smart meters

>are around.

>> Culverpratt just wrote yesterday that the pules are completely

>> unpredictable.

>> Of course, one meter emits an outgoing packet every _x_ hours.

>It

>> transmits to the next closest meter in a mesh network, or to the

>tower

>> if close enough. That meter sends the packet on to the next

>meter, and

>> so on until it reaches the tower.

>>

>> The more smart meters around, the more often the chirping, and

>the

>> higher the exposure, and the faster people will get sick.

>> So if you are in a very rural area, and IF the meter is

>wireless, and

>> not just transmitting back along the power line, as they are

>going to do

>> here, then there are simply more than one possibility and

>outcome to

>> check for. etc. Make sense?

>>

>>

>> > So, , are you saying that if I stood to the *side* of a

>smart

>> meter

>> > and picked up its transmitting pulse with my RF meter, that

>would

>> indicate

>> > that it's omnidirectional?

>> >

>> Yes, I can't imagine them not being omnidirectional. I would

>simply want

>> to know if it broadcasts wireless.

>>

>>

>> > I'm not talking about wrapping these things in foil (tempting

>though that

>> > sounds); I'm talking about maybe sticking a piece of

>clearshield on the

>> > front of them, or putting a square of sheet metal on a post

>some distance

>> > away from whichever part of the smart meter is pointed toward

>where my

>> > trailer is, to bounce back some of the RF.

>> >

>> >

>> Good plan, maybe even bounce it up or down or away from your

>friendly

>> and helpful neighbor.

>>

>>

>> > That's over forty thousand smart

>> > meters. The one on this house is closer to my bedroom than the

>two on

>> this

>> > rural property would be to my trailer.

>> >

>> But the exposure levels are going to be different, as I think

>you have

>> figured out. One bird chirping is not like a flock of starlings.

>>

>>

>> > The charger I have generates some AM radio noise at the source

>> > (the charger), but that doesn't seem to carry at all into the

>trailer. It

>> > drops off fast.

>>

>> What I did when in a trailer, was to put the NAPA auto automatic

>battery

>> charger 50+ feet away in or on a building close by, providing

>power.

>> Then run a 12 guage romex/insulated set of wires to the trailer

>> batteries. Then I ran the Norcold amonia fridge (no compressor)

>on a

>> heavy duty extension cord, so that it wouldn't use propane, and

>didn't

>> bother me up front. (bed in back, away from power box). Re-wired

>the

>> furnace so it wouldn't use the chassis as a ground loop, and it

>was quiet.

>>

>>

>> > they've got CFLs, WiFi routers and DECT phones.

>> That is disturbing. That should be a higher concern than one

>smart meter.

>>

>>

>> > The man who owns

>> > the place runs a company; he looks dazed all the time. The AM

>radio goes

>> > ape-sh*t when I bring it into his office, I've never even

>heard the

>> noises

>> > it makes in there before; it's quite something.

>> >

>> And so it may be starting to affect him.

>> Are there any hills/buildings/trees to block the " view " from his

>place

>> to your trailer?

>>

>>

>> > All I can say is that I'll have to try the place out. If I

>feel better, I

>> > stay. If not, I go.

>>

>> Hope it goes well,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, careful w the smahing idea, you could get hurt. Just getting close to

it is bad idea for EHS.

some people have replaced w analog meter, you have to find a willing

electrician. Nobody arrested or cut off -- so far

From:

Date: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Subject: RE: Fwd: Analog Meters For Sale?

To:

Here's a place you can get an analog meter. I just called them...

http://www.byramlabs.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=14 & filter_id=68 & ref=g & gclid=\

CK6CpbeRzakCFQgbQgodo1gxNw

--- Re: Buying analogs, get model info from current analog

california-emf-safety-coalitiongooglegroups

Write down the information from your analog meters now. There are different

makes and models out there.

If you get a Smart Meter " by accident " , you shouldn't get close to it to get

the information. So get the information now while you can from your analog.

>

> I am new to this so bear with me as I get up to speed with you

> chaps. I may be a little off kilter and not entirely thinking

> straight because of this wireless hell I have ended up in. I want

> to just rip them off the wall right now or smash them would be more

> satisfying. I like the video recently of the lady that got

> arrested. She had balls. Maybe in jail the wireless will be better

> than my flat!

> What is the worst they could do to me? Wouldn't the news report be

> better than just putting up with these wankers and their meters?

> I need a voice of reason right now. Other than live out of my car

> in the country, has anybody just smashed these meters and got them

> replaced with something else?

> in hell...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Art,

Good plan.

> How did you rewire the furnace

>

I disconnected it's white or neutral/negative wire from it's

manufactured spot in the wall/floor, and ran a direct 10 guage wire

directly to the breaker box. Did the same with the red/hot wire.

I found it was still drawing negative through it's connection to the

chassis, though not as much. That was 14 years ago. I'll have to dig

deep into memories to remember more than that.

Oh, I did one other thing, I added a huge noise reducing coil (from

Radio Shack that was meant to protect car speakers?) I still have it

somewhere, I could find it.

> It does generate a local magnetic field, and some " hot spots " in the

> trailer walls (probably from wiring),

right on.

> and some RF noise from the

> blower/motor, but I've found that staying away from it when running (ie, on

> the bed) hasn't proven problematic.

All good plans.

> One farm family even refused a $12,000/year rental offer from a telcom

> company to put a tower on their land because of what I told them, even

> though they really could've used the money.

>

>

Yeah, sad.

Hope the telecom didn't just find a closeby neighbor who was willing to

sign on.

> The office building is closer, but has what are likely thick walls and is

> partially shielded by a metal roof.

Which bounces waves going up, back down into a localized amplification.

> It's maybe 200 or more feet from the

> trailer, and not directly line-of-sight, more off on an angle,

Oh good, and double good. If the direction of the roof is away from you,

then you'll be good.

I have discovered the shape of the roof acts like a focusing lens, so

that most of the waves go straight out the ends of the root, in parallel

with the roof peak.

[Guest guest]

there is a simple solution to the harmful radiation of smat meters and even

saver than taking aluminium foil.There are devices in the market, you

stick to your mobile phone to make the radiation healthwise safe. Just use this

on the smart meter. You have to be extremely electrosensitive and stand

very close to the smart meter to eventually still sense something.

dietrich

[Guest guest]

As far as I am concerned that comment belongs on other sites, where sky

hooks and glass hammers are sold by the dozen, simply constucting a decent

sheild by the meter of relavent size and materiel will help imensly, you may

then have to try filtering your mains with both torroids and stezer filters

etc will also help, but a hammer would be better !

In a message dated 10/07/2011 22:36:15 GMT Daylight Time, Gruendg@...

writes:

there is a simple solution to the harmful radiation of smat meters and even

saver than taking aluminium foil.There are devices in the market, you

stick to your mobile phone to make the radiation healthwise safe. Just use

this

on the smart meter. You have to be extremely electrosensitive and stand

very close to the smart meter to eventually still sense something.

dietrich

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Hallo, pice,

You are probably unaware, that as a medical doctor I have done extensive

research in this field since 10 years and successfully could help thousands

of people with their problems concerning electromagnetic fields.

When I started this research, as many people still today I also thought

this approach to be nonsens. I wanted to prove it to be useless and it showed

to be very effective. So in a second step I found out how this works. This

led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the

actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable

waves you never will get to the root of the problem; this was the opinion of

Prof. Ulrich Warnke from Saarbrücken Germany even before I discovered it.

And evidently many others have found out these principles too.

Due to grave misunderstandings most people ignore this, also in this group.

But also most of the known scientists ignore this; so you are in good

company.

On the base of these scalar waves it can be explained, why so many ES

people are not helped by these devices, why so many are not helped by shielding

and why shielding in many cases helps to a significant degree. It is even

scientifically proven that this technology of scalar waves works.

I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this

extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 10.07.2011 23:40:13 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

paulpjc@...:

As far as I am concerned that comment belongs on other sites, where sky

hooks and glass hammers are sold by the dozen, simply constucting a decent

sheild by the meter of relavent size and materiel will help imensly, you

may

then have to try filtering your mains with both torroids and stezer

filters

etc will also help, but a hammer would be better !

In a message dated 10/07/2011 22:36:15 GMT Daylight Time,

_Gruendg@..._ (mailto:Gruendg@...)

writes:

there is a simple solution to the harmful radiation of smat meters and

even

saver than taking aluminium foil.There are devices in the market, you

stick to your mobile phone to make the radiation healthwise safe. Just use

this

on the smart meter. You have to be extremely electrosensitive and stand

very close to the smart meter to eventually still sense something.

dietrich

[Guest guest]

Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the

> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable

> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;

>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally

higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical

and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?

There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this

> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.

>

I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have

been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I

can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to

solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I

am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the

winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.

But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.

Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the

health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??

Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

dr. Gruen is quite right.

But he is no ordinary doctor, because he also uses EAV. In my opinion that makes

him extra special.

It is remarkable, that a doctor with limited technical knowledge, now has such a

deep knowledge of electrosensitivity.

There are not many persons who can measure like I can. (I am beta tester for

some meter manufacturers.)

But still longitudinal waves cannot be measured.

However, by what I have experienced in praxis, some phenomenon's can only be

explained by the existence and working of longitudinal waves.

I have come to the conclusion, that where the normal transversal waves do have

reached their boundary (and cannot be measured anymore) the longitudinal waves

do travel much farther.

I could measure elektrosmog sources up to 2 cm from it's source: At 3 cm I could

not anymore.

But electrosensitive persons could experience these waves at a distance of 3

meters away.

And no, this was not imagination.

First the complaints were there, without knowing the source.

I then started looking and searching, measuring for sources and so I found them.

All those *scientists* and techies are wrong. The state that in order to have

complaints the power density must be heavy.

That is completely wrong.

The dose/response principle does not go for electrosensitives.

They can experience health complaints at very tiny, sometimes hardly measurable

elektrosmog sources.

That is also the reason why electrosensitives do *feel* mobile phone masts,

although they are not working yet.

But they receive signals as secondary antennas and transmit these signals.

Technically, they are too weak, but strong enough for electrosensitives to be

harrassed by them.

Btw. Yesterday I received the new book by Donna Fisher *Dirty electricity and

electromagnetic radiation*.

I can recommend it, although it is not mentioned why the Stetzer meter is

insufficient, and my theme of *dirty air* is also not mentioned. ( I have flown

over it shortly, but it is quite interesting.)

Donna Fisher is from Australia. Here I know two outstanding persons.

Dr. Holt who has healed many persons with cancer, during some 30 years. He

was pestered by the Australian government and by the Australian Medical

Association. He injected his patients with a glucoseblocker and radiated that

with 424MHz. In a number of national TV evening shows called " A Current Affair " ,

(which still can be seen on the Rife Forum) many persons testified, that they

received the *cancer death sentence*, but now 30 years later they still lived

thanks to dr. Holt.

Another is my buddy dr. Tony Fleming, a specialist in foton chemistry. He

developed the Self Field Theory, with which he can explain a number of effects,

normal theories cannot explain. He is a member of BEMS.

He helped me with understanding the effects of elektrosmog on the body.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still

works)?

Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the

> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable

> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;

>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally

higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical

and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?

There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this

> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.

>

I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have

been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I

can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to

solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I

am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the

winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.

But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.

Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the

health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??

Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

 

I don't claim to be cured (and actually don't hear anyone using the " C " word). 

I am much better, tho.  Marc is much better; Giles is much better; Shivani is

much better.....  There are several more who are much better besides.  And

there is who is saying he has helped people get much better, plus some

other doctors I have spoken with who claim that.... 

 

From what I have been able to gather from reading here and talking to others on

the subject, there are particular things which we are all doing (those of us who

have gotten better or those who are helping others get better), which we all

have in common.  These  

From: S son <sandreas41@...>

Subject: Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:26 PM

 

Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the

> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable

> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;

>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally

higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical

and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?

There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this

> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.

>

I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have

been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I

can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to

solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I

am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the

winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.

But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.

Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the

health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??

Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.

[Guest guest]

OOOOPS ,

 

The email sent at the climax of what I was about to write!  lol

 

Anyway, as I was writing....  It appear what we are doing in common are 3 basic

things, plus other things which are personal and individual.  The 3 basic

things are:

 

We are supporting our livers and lymphatic systems  (in order to detox things)

We are addressing pH and returning our bodies to normal pH 

We are supporting and feeding our immune systems

 

As to pH--this is necessary to do but usually those of us who have done it, do

it in such a way we don't even know we have done it--Marc using his Mega-H, is

an example.  I am not sure Marc used Mega-H to address pH consciously (maybe he

can comment), but hydrogen supplementation does help bring the body to basic. 

We have need to balance pH as we are dealing with our individual problems,

because each of those problems leads to imbalance.  And also pH and

cell voltage mirror one another.  Cell voltage has everything to do with ion

transport and ion channel health.

 

On the third, immune systems, we are addressing individual needs we each have

which bring our personal immune systems down or dysregulate it--for me,

that has been gluten removal; removing invaders and parasite killing; detoxing

antibiotics, pesticides, and other chemicals which my body till now had not been

able to deal with; detoxing metals.  (Thinking...  probably much more I have

dealt with than that.)  But anyway, you see what I am saying. 

 

We all have personal health issues which another person's therapy is not going

to address, but if you look at these 3 areas, you realize in some way all of us

who are getting better are addressing those well. 

 

There are harder and easier ways to accomplish each of these steps.  Some of us

(me included), have done them the harder way, usually, due to stumbling and

bumbling along looking for answers.  But, once you know you do have to do these

3 basic things, it gets a bit easier.  You can focus on how to get there

quicker. 

 

Now, this is a very simplistic answer.  It is not going to be that simple. 

But hopefully you understand better what *you* have to concentrate on.  If you

are confused about anything I just wrote, ask questions.  I may not be around

for awhile, but I will answer when I get back, if someone else doesn't first. 

 

Bless you, .  And thanks for answering my other email about electrical

questions.  I hope to respond to that one someday (but perhaps not today).  It

took awhile to get this finished due to a call.  Sorry to leave you in

suspense.  lol

 

Diane

 

From: S son <sandreas41@...>

Subject: Re: Can I *partially* shield a smart meter (so it still works)?

Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 8:26 PM

 

Hi Dietrich,

> led me to the principle of the Tesla waves or scalar waves, that are the

> actual harmful part of electromagnetic fields. Dealing with the measurable

> waves you never will get to the root of the problem;

>

I agree, we have no way to scientifically measure the problem.

Do you know if the harmful effects of scalar waves are proportionally

higher when the power density (and other measurable parts of electrical

and magnetic fields) are higher and stronger?

There is some correlation, right??

> I have commented again and again on this forum to share bits of this

> extremly valuable knowledge, but it feels like preaching in the desert.

>

I have read every post you sent, from the first in 2006.

I can gather you work with the electroaccupuncture meridians. I have

been seeing doctors with EAV and now also SCIO for 18 years, and while I

can say it helps, it is about like shielding, where it doesn't seem to

solve the problem. Really get to the cause of the cause. I feel like I

am left in a boat in the ocean with no rudder or paddle, left to the

winds of the neighbors devices (and towers).

There have been 2 or 3 voices on this board that claim to have cures.

But nobody says what they are in sufficient detail for others to duplicate.

Then at the same time others, such as yourself, say that while the

health effects can be reduced, the harmful effects are still there.

I did not know you were a doctor. What are you suggesting I or we _can_ do??

Buy some crystal or schungit?

I need to _understand_ a solution before jumping to purchase.