Re: Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/10/2008 1:09:27 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

jbbolden24@... writes:

lidocaine. The pain came righht back afterward. There is some

sensory nerve problem going on. I wonder if my EMF Sensitivity is due

to a nerve-tagging fault. I wonder if I have to totally destroy the

nerve. I don't really know what to do.

Have you thought of going for a BOTOX jab, perhaps this will help ? I bet

our nerves are effected by similar principle to length of cables and atennas

that are then effected by RFI. The nerves will pick up and re-radiate certain

wave lengths, certainly this will be complex given the mass and complexity of

nerve fibres. I wonder how electronic engineers trick cables etc into

thinking they are shorter than they are etc.. is there a way that we can filter

our nerves(suspect that there are such organic components in the body, what are

they how do they work, can we copy them) , not to be confused with

supressing ie using drugs ??

PUK - Just hypothesising

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/10/2008 1:09:27 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

jbbolden24@... writes:

I have even changed apartments, and once my body can sense a little

of that EMF, it brings back the symptoms. My body is in control of

this, because I can go to a new place full of electronics, and for a

while, I won't feel anything but that constant pain in my nerves.

However, after being there a few times, it replicates the same

feelings there as they do in my apartment. I need help; before this

problem makes m e totally unable to live my life.

This has been reported by many Essers, I think that your nervous

system/immune system has tagged the EMR as an aggressor (if only we new the

organic

machine code for this we could re-write it but we are not GOD) So you can

initially handle a novel environment, but because your home environment is so

specific ie it has its own practically unique EMR signature, and your body has

had

plenty of time to record and recognise this, when you go to another place it

will take time to decide wether it sees the environment as a threat and most

likely it will, evan at low levels because of the cumulative effect and the

so called neurological adaption (albeit not seemingly in your favour)that takes

place. I have hypothesised over this one, it is the same for me with

laptops and TVs, and waliking into a store that sells TVs and computers etc.. I

dont fall over and yet you would think that this place with 30 TVs on the go

would kill me, but no - Of course how long do you spend in these places

especially if you are in ultra health protect mode also the electrics in these

places might be better balanced/filtered than your home whose to say without

detailed investigation. My own laptop gives me hell but sometimes other

peoples

do not initially they will all have a unique EMR signature. That said I am

not to proud to also recognise the indivorcable Psychological element here,

its a no brainer that it will be present with the physiological effects and to

work on this aspect will help to gain more control over the outcome that the

EMR stimuli induces. So when you attend a new environment there will be

other parts of your brain/phyche working you may be more or less optomistic in

that environment and actually more " distracted " , than if you are in your own

home where you intrinsically/subliminally expect the right to feel good/relaxed

and when you do not you will experience a heightened stress response which

will include subliminal and extrinsic anger. Showers and fresh air are

relaxing, and that is one thing that we as Essers get little of in this wired

and

increasingly wireless world. A rested body is a calm one, so when our cells

are constantly agitated we are in a vicious circle, - have you thought of

buying (very expensive though) a faraday tent to erect in your bedroom, if you

can

improve the quality of your sleep then your body will be less overwhelmed by

the ES symptoms. - Sorry I am rambling....

PUK

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/10/2008 1:09:27 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

jbbolden24@... writes:

Someone please give me some TRUE info on those Stetzer filters;

because I have heard that they were a scam. I need to know the truth .

Someone please get back to me.

Perhaps truth is the wrong thing to seek, its like a russion doll, it

depends which doll you live in, and who is holding it, adinfinitum.....

PUK

[Guest guest]

john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

 

also just for daily maintenance  to help with physical energy levels , you

might want to explore the donna eden links that i have up loaded in the links

section, this helps me with symptoms such as fatigue etc. Good luck , i do feel

for you , this is a really horrendous infirmity because its so indiscriminate ,

and so all pervasive, an invisible monster.

 

Ada

From: jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@...>

Subject: Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.

Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 11:09 AM

Hey everyone, I haven't posted on here in a while. I am not sure if

any of you are aware of my previous postings regarding my emf problem.

However, my problem hasn't gotten any better at all.

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I thought I read just yesterday here someone's speculation that people

with electrosensitivity may have gut permeability issues, a.k.a.,

" leaky gut " . Many people have reported other inner toxicities, such

as mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings, etc.

I wish you the very best, and do not give up!

R.

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:09:12 -0000, " jbbolden24 " <jbbolden24@...> said:

> If I take a shower, I also get some relief, I wonder why that is? I

> get a whole lot of relief when I go outside and breathe fresh air for

> a while.

I used to notice improvements from showers and outside air, fortunately

I don't really need those things anymore.

> I believe, if I could just find a way to make my apartment as EMF free

> as possible, I could possibly make a full recovery. The question is

> HOW? I have purchased an Earthcalm resontor, but that didn't do

> anything.

I had the opposite problem with the Earthcalm products -- not only

did they do something, they were intolerable for more than a few

hours a day. You might try stuff from Quantum Products and see

if they do anything for you. Something as simple as their $90

power strip might help (or even their $30 " Mini-Max " which I

guess they only sell over the phone, as I don't see it on their

website).

> I think that my body wants to; because when I go outside

> for a while, it is like I build up this reserve. However, after about

> 30 minutes of being inside any place, it disappears.

You might also try air cleaners which use some ozone (Aranizer,

Biozone Scientific) to try and replicate the outside ozone

inside your house. These products are all imperfect at

replicating " outdoor air " , but I find can be better than

not doing anything if you can get the ozone levels to

be approximately the same as outdoor levels. You might

need to experiment with models with different output levels

or put them on a recycle timer to get the levels " just right " .

> I have tried

> NMT, didn't work, biofeedback, didn't work, 2 sinus surgeries, didn't

> work, a temporary nerveblock, that didn't work either, and now I am at

> a loss as to what to do. I just want relief.

You should at the very least look at super-antixidants like H-Minus

or Amrit. Probably some sort of anti-fungal, anti-parasitic

preparation (mix of herbs, or something like grapefruit seed

extract). Something for adrenal and/or thyroid support --

are you getting enough absorbable iodine in your daily

routine?

> Someone please give me some TRUE info on those Stetzer filters;

> because I have heard that they were a scam.

A few people here have had great luck with the Stetzer filters.

Others noticed no improvements, and others found them an

additional source of irritation. I fell into the last category

-- almost any plug-in device with a cheap capacitor shunt

filter causes me irritation, although I find the more

expensive filtering power strips to be fine.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

said that he has already moved, so presumably this is not

a problem that can easily be fixed by moving (like Loni's

case). Many times ES folks are unable to handle almost

any " normal " living environment (e.g. with a TV, fridge,

computer, phone, etc).

In such cases, one really needs to focus on improving

health, avoidance as much as practical, and hoping that

one of the hundreds of EMF protection devices on the

market is helpful.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, and Marc,

 

I am guessing that is living in a large metropolitan area?  You mention

apartment living and going to school.  If you go online on the antennae search

site, , and enter your address, it will tell you how many cell, microwave,

and other antennae and towers there are around you.  The site has been mentioned

many times here, but if you need it, here it is again:

 

http://www.antennasearch.com/

 

Perhaps what Ada meant was 's moving to a more rural area would help him. 

(Might not work with your schooling goals, but some schools have long distance

learning and then you go just for a couple months to campus once a year for

particular classes.)

 

I have auto-immune tmj, (have you ever checked this out?); in my case, it

is supposed to be secondary to celiac disease (celiac disease spawns many

autoimmune diseases given the time to do so and since I was not dxed for 4

decades, I have/had alot going on).  I have had surgery for it but the emfs kick

it up and now I get pain all the way down the right side of my neck into my

back; it encompasses my right eye and there is a distinct path it travels from

the eye up and then down the back of my head, down to my (and sometimes past) my

shoulder blade.  I do not have this always, not even in emfs.  However, since

becoming more es, I have this often when in heavy emf areas and it seems to

also react to cold air blowing on this area (sort of like a neuralgia).  It is

excruciating when it acts up and I used to end up with a migraine type headache

for days at a time along with it.  Water is known to help migraines (showers and

tub soaks).  It

does help this.  Finally I also found wrapping my head, neck, and shoulder area

in a heavy towel or shawl helps it alot. (The warmth.)  I do not know if what

you experience is similar or not.  Just try that once and see if it is any

relief.  Now when I get this, I wrap my head and in about an hour the pain goes

away.  No pain killers, however, work for this.  I think trigger point massage

might work for this and possibly for what you have, too.  But I do not live in

an area where there are people who do this.  I have a hand massager wand, tho,

that does help with this too.  So there are a couple of ideas to try.

 

hope this helps!

Diane

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.

Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:29 PM

> john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

said that he has already moved, so presumably this is not

a problem that can easily be fixed by moving (like Loni's

case). Many times ES folks are unable to handle almost

any " normal " living environment (e.g. with a TV, fridge,

computer, phone, etc).

In such cases, one really needs to focus on improving

health, avoidance as much as practical, and hoping that

one of the hundreds of EMF protection devices on the

market is helpful.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know a link for antenae /cell base locations in the uk ?

 

Ada

" Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have

Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night. "

unknown

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.

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Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:29 PM

> john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

said that he has already moved, so presumably this is not

a problem that can easily be fixed by moving (like Loni's

case). Many times ES folks are unable to handle almost

any " normal " living environment (e.g. with a TV, fridge,

computer, phone, etc).

In such cases, one really needs to focus on improving

health, avoidance as much as practical, and hoping that

one of the hundreds of EMF protection devices on the

market is helpful.

Marc