Re: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

[Guest guest]

> 1. What makes it worse than other wireless tech?

I think we've merely been assuming that 4G LTE is worse than other

technologies, based on some of our members feeling worse recently.

I don't think we actually have any proof yet that this is indeed the

cause of them feeling worse, or what about it would be causing

that. Just some theories that the higher data rate and lower

carrier frequency might make it more harmful.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Overhere, LTE will be used in the 440MHz, 700MHz, 800MHz, 900MHz, 1500MHz,

1800MHZ, 2300MHz and 2600MHz Frequency bands.

That is what Brussels wants.

I now measure testings at the 2600MHz band.

And there is a newer system coming, already in use In Brandenburg Germany, which

can send as far as 60km.

I think the only option will be an emigration to Mars.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

> 1. What makes it worse than other wireless tech?

I think we've merely been assuming that 4G LTE is worse than other

technologies, based on some of our members feeling worse recently.

I don't think we actually have any proof yet that this is indeed the

cause of them feeling worse, or what about it would be causing

that. Just some theories that the higher data rate and lower

carrier frequency might make it more harmful.

Marc

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[Guest guest]

I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi. Normally, I don't get an immed

reaction. Usually, I get the after affect of fatigue from 300

cell antennas in the area.

Upon reaching the city limits, my leg started to spasm,

I got a cramp in the other leg. There IS something much stronger

about this particular technology.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:02:09 -0700

Subject: Re: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

> 1. What makes it worse than other wireless tech?

I think we've merely been assuming that 4G LTE is worse than other

technologies, based on some of our members feeling worse recently.

I don't think we actually have any proof yet that this is indeed the

cause of them feeling worse, or what about it would be causing

that. Just some theories that the higher data rate and lower

carrier frequency might make it more harmful.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

And you're sure that they haven't activated anything

else there recently? Other kinds of " 4G " technology,

city-wide Internet access, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

By the way, I just looked this up... in Flint Michigan,

they were testing 4G LTE in May 2011, and it was

activated full-time on June 16, 2011.

So if you're only noticing something just recently,

perhaps you're noticing something other than

4G LTE?

Marc

On Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:58 PM, " Marc " <marc@...>

wrote:

> > I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> > activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

[Guest guest]

You mean like: " Was I there to see the actual activation- like did I actually

witness it? "

Noooo.

It was reported in the newspaper.

Is the newspaper always accurate.

Heck No- not on most things.

Is it possible it was another type of 4G?

Yes, it is possible. But my feeling is:

it was as the newspaper said it was.

Where I live? It is rural sm town. Where I shop?

Big city town. Was it a fluke? I'd love to say it was,

but the exact same thing happened the next time

I went to that store. Whatever form it is, I believe

it is 4G LTE. I have friends who live there..I have watched

them grow very dark circles under their eyes, in the less

then 2 weeks what ever it was, was activated, that wasn't

activated before.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:58:00 -0700

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

> I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

And you're sure that they haven't activated anything

else there recently? Other kinds of " 4G " technology,

city-wide Internet access, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Newspaper account I read (I'll have to find it here in my stack)

stated activation of 4G LTE was late Sept 2011. I want to

say Sept 21. It is true they activated something this past June.

But whatever was just recently activated????

All I can say is; this one is either very different/ or much stronger,

or perhaps the location is amplifying the effect?

Don't know. It is true it could be something else...

but I don't think it is.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:33:14 -0700

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

By the way, I just looked this up... in Flint Michigan,

they were testing 4G LTE in May 2011, and it was

activated full-time on June 16, 2011.

So if you're only noticing something just recently,

perhaps you're noticing something other than

4G LTE?

Marc

On Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:58 PM, " Marc " <marc@...>

wrote:

> > I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> > activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

[Guest guest]

> Newspaper account I read (I'll have to find it here in my stack)

> stated activation of 4G LTE was late Sept 2011.

I'd be interested to hear what that newspaper

said was turned on there in September that

is causing you problems.

Reportedly Verizon turned on their 4G LTE in

Flint MI back in June. But something else may

have been turned on in September?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Yes Lizzie for sure; stronger. Much stronger!  It is supposed to be 3 times

more powerful than Wimax and that was supposed to reach every nook and cranny.

Believe me when I cannot find one spot that looks quite remote to sleep safely

without being fried.

 

I traveled 45 minutes away from my house to what looked to be in the mountains.

And I parked by a big bush and put some foil in the window.

 

My skin still burnt and I felt electicuted. Then when I got up I of course was a

zombie all day,.

 

I just want to warn everyone that this is for sure dangerous!

 

Loni

From: thode <lizt777@...>

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

esens

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 3:40 PM

 

I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi. Normally, I don't get an immed

reaction. Usually, I get the after affect of fatigue from 300

cell antennas in the area.

Upon reaching the city limits, my leg started to spasm,

I got a cramp in the other leg. There IS something much stronger

about this particular technology.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:02:09 -0700

Subject: Re: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

> 1. What makes it worse than other wireless tech?

I think we've merely been assuming that 4G LTE is worse than other

technologies, based on some of our members feeling worse recently.

I don't think we actually have any proof yet that this is indeed the

cause of them feeling worse, or what about it would be causing

that. Just some theories that the higher data rate and lower

carrier frequency might make it more harmful.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc; you are starting to sound like my husband. Always trying to say it is

something else. I know it is this new strong frequency without a doubt. I used

to be able to go 7 miles to the park and sleep there peacefully. Still had cell

reception there just fine but was the old technology.

 

Now I fry there and it is life threatening. There just isn't any other

explanation.

 

It is going to effect most EHSers I am sure but that is my opinion based on my

experience of late.

 

Loni

> > I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> > activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

[Guest guest]

Wooh, Lizzi, You feel the difference w your leg out vs. under the

protective clothing?

I can't find if we have it in St. Louis, MO.

 Loni, Did you get a meter yet? I have to get one.

Those of you who have RF meters,

have you measured the difference?

Kathy -

From: Loni <loni326@...>

: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

 

Yes Lizzie for sure; stronger. Much stronger!  It is supposed to be 3

times more powerful than Wimax and that was supposed to reach every nook and

cranny. Believe me when I cannot find one spot that looks quite remote to sleep

safely without being fried.

 

I traveled 45 minutes away from my house to what looked to be in the mountains.

And I parked by a big bush and put some foil in the window.

 

My skin still burnt and I felt electicuted. Then when I got up I of course was a

zombie all day,.

 

I just want to warn everyone that this is for sure dangerous!

 

Loni

From: thode <lizt777@...>

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi. Normally, I don't get an immed

reaction. Usually, I get the after affect of fatigue from 300

cell antennas in the area.

Upon reaching the city limits, my leg started to spasm,

I got a cramp in the other leg. There IS something much stronger

about this particular technology.

Lizzie

[Guest guest]

Hey Lizzie,

 

Dark circles; yeah I look like death warmed over since this proliferation of 4G

LTE. My girlfriend said she's never seen me look so bad and she is concerned. It

is aging me big time. I haven't had a good night sleep since because I fry all

night.

 

I'm getting out of here tomorrow for a emf break before it kills me. 

 

I really never want to come back to be honest.  But where I'm going will

eventually have it as well.

 

Loni

From: thode <lizt777@...>

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

esens

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 5:14 PM

 

You mean like: " Was I there to see the actual activation- like did I actually

witness it? "

Noooo.

It was reported in the newspaper.

Is the newspaper always accurate.

Heck No- not on most things.

Is it possible it was another type of 4G?

Yes, it is possible. But my feeling is:

it was as the newspaper said it was.

Where I live? It is rural sm town. Where I shop?

Big city town. Was it a fluke? I'd love to say it was,

but the exact same thing happened the next time

I went to that store. Whatever form it is, I believe

it is 4G LTE. I have friends who live there..I have watched

them grow very dark circles under their eyes, in the less

then 2 weeks what ever it was, was activated, that wasn't

activated before.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:58:00 -0700

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

> I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

And you're sure that they haven't activated anything

else there recently? Other kinds of " 4G " technology,

city-wide Internet access, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Can't think like that....

miracles are happening all over the world.

I know it doesn't feel like that right now.

I will think positive thoughts for you...

Lizzie

From: loni326@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:00:31 -0700

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

Hey Lizzie,

Dark circles; yeah I look like death warmed over since this proliferation of 4G

LTE. My girlfriend said she's never seen me look so bad and she is concerned. It

is aging me big time. I haven't had a good night sleep since because I fry all

night.

I'm getting out of here tomorrow for a emf break before it kills me.

I really never want to come back to be honest. But where I'm going will

eventually have it as well.

Loni

From: thode <lizt777@...>

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

esens

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 5:14 PM

You mean like: " Was I there to see the actual activation- like did I actually

witness it? "

Noooo.

It was reported in the newspaper.

Is the newspaper always accurate.

Heck No- not on most things.

Is it possible it was another type of 4G?

Yes, it is possible. But my feeling is:

it was as the newspaper said it was.

Where I live? It is rural sm town. Where I shop?

Big city town. Was it a fluke? I'd love to say it was,

but the exact same thing happened the next time

I went to that store. Whatever form it is, I believe

it is 4G LTE. I have friends who live there..I have watched

them grow very dark circles under their eyes, in the less

then 2 weeks what ever it was, was activated, that wasn't

activated before.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:58:00 -0700

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

> I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

> activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi.

And you're sure that they haven't activated anything

else there recently? Other kinds of " 4G " technology,

city-wide Internet access, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

No, my legs aren't covered. That's why I was able to feel it so strongly!

And that it happened twice, in the same area?

That is some nasty nasty stuff.

Boxers/ T-shirt, scarf around my head/neck- legs exposed.

Lizzie

From: calicocat477@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:59:39 -0700

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

Wooh, Lizzi, You feel the difference w your leg out vs. under the

protective clothing?

I can't find if we have it in St. Louis, MO.

Loni, Did you get a meter yet? I have to get one.

Those of you who have RF meters,

have you measured the difference?

Kathy -

From: Loni <loni326@...>

: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

Yes Lizzie for sure; stronger. Much stronger! It is supposed to be 3 times more

powerful than Wimax and that was supposed to reach every nook and cranny.

Believe me when I cannot find one spot that looks quite remote to sleep safely

without being fried.

I traveled 45 minutes away from my house to what looked to be in the mountains.

And I parked by a big bush and put some foil in the window.

My skin still burnt and I felt electicuted. Then when I got up I of course was a

zombie all day,.

I just want to warn everyone that this is for sure dangerous!

Loni

From: thode <lizt777@...>

Subject: RE: Questions regarding 4G LTE...

I recently went to my favorite health food store- they had just

activated the 4G LTE in Flint, Mi. Normally, I don't get an immed

reaction. Usually, I get the after affect of fatigue from 300

cell antennas in the area.

Upon reaching the city limits, my leg started to spasm,

I got a cramp in the other leg. There IS something much stronger

about this particular technology.

Lizzie

[Guest guest]

Many have been doing extra frying since Dec

..

ww.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/12/verizon-wireless-4g-lte-launches-on-decembe\

r-5th/

Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Initial Major Metropolitan Area Deployment (Dec. 5,

2010)

Akron, OhioAthens, GeorgiaAtlanta, GeorgiaBaltimore, landBoston,

MassachusettsCharlotte, North CarolinaChicago, IllinoisCincinnati,

OhioCleveland, OhioColumbus, OhioDallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex, Dallas,

TexasDenver, ColoradoFt. Lauderdale, FloridaHouston, Texasville,

FloridaLas Vegas, NevadaLos Angeles, CaliforniaMiami, FloridaMinneapolis/Saint

, MinnesotaNashville, TennesseeNew Orleans, LouisianaNew York, New

YorkOakland, CaliforniaOklahoma City, OklahomaOrlando, FloridaPhiladelphia,

PennsylvaniaPhoenix, ArizonaPittsburgh, PennsylvaniaRochester, New YorkSan

, TexasSan Diego, CaliforniaSan Francisco, CaliforniaSan ,

CaliforniaSeattle/Tacoma, WashingtonSt. Louis, MissouriTampa, FloridaWashington,

D.C.West Lafayette, IndianaWest Palm Beach, Florida

[Guest guest]

On 10/5/2011 7:56 PM, Loni wrote:

> Marc; you are starting to sound like my husband.

I thought your husband was in denial that ES is a real

condition? I doubt I will ever sound like that!

All I was trying to do is figure out whether 4G LTE is

the real cause of Lizzie's new symptoms, or if there

is some other EMF source that might be causing it.

Since there are online discussions about how

well everyone's 4G LTE phones work in Flint back in

June, I somehow doubt that someone would only be

noticing it in September.

Marc

[Guest guest]

KathyB wrote:

> Those of you who have RF meters,

>

> have you measured the difference?

>

If I had a clear recording from the Acoustimeter or MW1 of what 4G or

LTE sounds like, I'd be able to identify it... when it arrives in my

remote location.

Anybody know what it sounds like yet? Knowing what it's pattern is might

help understand why it is causing more trouble for some of us, or more

if we could make the connections.