Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

[Guest guest]

Geopathic stress falls under the chapter of magnetic static DC fields, which

is a member of the Elektrosmog family.

A lot of mumbo jumbo is told about underground water flows, earth beams,

etc., but they are very small fields compared with the normal occurring

static magnetic fields, one finds in (hidden) metal things, like supporting

steel beams, pipes, armouring in concrete, etc, and, especially in metal

things in beds, like boxsprings, mattesses und supports.

All these fields can be measured with a magnetometer.

And with a compass.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their sensitivities?

Over the years I have been told about this and have even bought some devices

in the past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more harm

than good for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did

not install them correctly or some other reason. There may have been other

factors that were at play.

A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right over

an area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and was

located right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he

slept. His wife was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had

stomach cancer.

I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a person

more electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has

looked into such. Just a thought.

Laurel

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Thanks . What do you recommend for a magnetometer?

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Received: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 5:08 AM

Geopathic stress falls under the chapter of magnetic static DC fields, which

is a member of the Elektrosmog family.

A lot of mumbo jumbo is told about underground water flows, earth beams,

etc., but they are very small fields compared with the normal occurring

static magnetic fields, one finds in (hidden) metal things, like supporting

steel beams, pipes, armouring in concrete, etc, and, especially in metal

things in beds, like boxsprings, mattesses und supports.

All these fields can be measured with a magnetometer.

And with a compass.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Bitdefender

Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their sensitivities?

Over the years I have been told about this and have even bought some devices

in the past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more harm

than good for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did

not install them correctly or some other reason. There may have been other

factors that were at play.

A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right over

an area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and was

located right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he

slept. His wife was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had

stomach cancer.

I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a person

more electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has

looked into such. Just a thought.

Laurel

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Hello Laurel,

there are several possibilities, but they all are rather expensive.

Look at lessemf or Alphalabs.

Try first with a compass.

Reset it to the North.

Then slowy hold it pointed in a straight line, and see if the needle

deviates from North.

If that is the case, you have found a magnetic DC field.

Do such over your bed, abd be astonished.

If the deviation is more than 20 degrees, you should change something.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Geopathic stress?? and EHS

>

> Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their

> sensitivities?

> Over the years I have been told about this and have even bought some

> devices

> in the past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more

> harm

> than good for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did

> not install them correctly or some other reason. There may have been other

> factors that were at play.

>

> A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right

> over

> an area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and

> was

> located right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he

> slept. His wife was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had

> stomach cancer.

>

> I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a

> person

> more electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has

> looked into such. Just a thought.

>

> Laurel

>

> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

> Take a look http://au.docs. / mail/smarterinbo x

>

>

[Guest guest]

A ND had tested me & told me that I had that Geopathic stress & I should move my

bed to another area in the bedroom. Loni

From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

Subject: Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

groups (DOT) com

Received: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 5:08 AM

Geopathic stress falls under the chapter of magnetic static DC fields, which

is a member of the Elektrosmog family.

A lot of mumbo jumbo is told about underground water flows, earth beams,

etc., but they are very small fields compared with the normal occurring

static magnetic fields, one finds in (hidden) metal things, like supporting

steel beams, pipes, armouring in concrete, etc, and, especially in metal

things in beds, like boxsprings, mattesses und supports.

All these fields can be measured with a magnetometer.

And with a compass.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Bitdefender

Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their sensitivities?

Over the years I have been told about this and have even bought some devices

in the past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more harm

than good for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did

not install them correctly or some other reason. There may have been other

factors that were at play.

A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right over

an area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and was

located right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he

slept. His wife was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had

stomach cancer.

I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a person

more electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has

looked into such. Just a thought.

Laurel

Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

Take a look http://au.docs. / mail/smarterinbo x

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Laurel,

 

I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there.  Still can't

sleep there and have emfs, tho.

 

Diane

From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@...>

Subject: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 7:03 PM

Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their sensitivities? Over

the years I have been told about this and have even bought some devices in the

past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more harm than good

for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did not install

them correctly or some other reason. There  may have been other factors that

were at play.

 

 

A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right over an

area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and was located

right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he slept. His wife

was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had stomach cancer.

 

I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a person more

electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has looked into

such. Just a thought.

 

Laurel

 

 

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Hi, ,

 

I have a problem holding compasses to find North--they almost always deviate

greatly for me!  Does that mean that I am magnetic (a possibility since I could

never wear a watch, etc) or does that indicate always a magnetic field where I

am standing?  (In your best judgment.)  Also, would this be dependent on the

type shoes I am wearing (grounded vs shielded) or would the magnetic deviation

in the area present even if I were shielded from the ground? 

 

Thanks,

Diane

 

>

>

> From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

> Subject: Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

> groups (DOT) com

> Received: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 5:08 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Geopathic stress falls under the chapter of magnetic static DC fields,

> which

> is a member of the Elektrosmog family.

>

> A lot of mumbo jumbo is told about underground water flows, earth beams,

> etc., but they are very small fields compared with the normal occurring

> static magnetic fields, one finds in (hidden) metal things, like

> supporting

> steel beams, pipes, armouring in concrete, etc, and, especially in metal

> things in beds, like boxsprings, mattesses und supports.

> All these fields can be measured with a magnetometer.

> And with a compass.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes. nl

> www.milieuziektes. be

> www.hetbitje. nl

> checked by Bitdefender

>

> Geopathic stress?? and EHS

>

> Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their

> sensitivities?

> Over the years I have been told about this and have even bought some

> devices

> in the past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more

> harm

> than good for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did

> not install them correctly or some other reason. There may have been other

> factors that were at play.

>

> A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right

> over

> an area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and

> was

> located right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he

> slept. His wife was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had

> stomach cancer.

>

> I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a

> person

> more electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has

> looked into such. Just a thought.

>

> Laurel

>

> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

> Take a look http://au.docs. / mail/smarterinbo x

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks .

>

>

> From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>

> Subject: Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

> groups (DOT) com

> Received: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 5:08 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Geopathic stress falls under the chapter of magnetic static DC fields,

> which

> is a member of the Elektrosmog family.

>

> A lot of mumbo jumbo is told about underground water flows, earth beams,

> etc., but they are very small fields compared with the normal occurring

> static magnetic fields, one finds in (hidden) metal things, like

> supporting

> steel beams, pipes, armouring in concrete, etc, and, especially in metal

> things in beds, like boxsprings, mattesses und supports.

> All these fields can be measured with a magnetometer.

> And with a compass.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes. nl

> www.milieuziektes. be

> www.hetbitje. nl

> checked by Bitdefender

>

> Geopathic stress?? and EHS

>

> Has anyone found that geopathic stress is a problem in their

> sensitivities?

> Over the years I have been told about this and have even bought some

> devices

> in the past that was suppose to help. Some devices seemed to cause more

> harm

> than good for me while others just seemed to have no effect. Perhaps I did

> not install them correctly or some other reason. There may have been other

> factors that were at play.

>

> A friend of mine once told me how he discovered geopathic stress right

> over

> an area of where a man slept. The area was about a foot in diameter and

> was

> located right over where the man's stomach would be positioned when he

> slept. His wife was fine, there were no zones where she slept. The man had

> stomach cancer.

>

> I wondered if geopathic stress could be one reason that might make a

> person

> more electrically sensitive. I also wondered if anyone on this group has

> looked into such. Just a thought.

>

> Laurel

>

> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.

> Take a look http://au.docs. / mail/smarterinbo x

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've just read ' message in Digest 1931 where he says that what I

shared about dowsing for geopathic stress is bullshit. He goes on to say

" Btw.

I wonder how Shivani checks homes for dirty electricity / electrosmog. With

her rods? No more the Stetzerizer meter? "

Why would I use rods to check circuits when the Stetzerizer surgemeter,

designed specifically to do that, does a great job?

And why would I try to use rods, or a Stetzerizer surgemeter, to check for

electrosmog? surely knows that a surgemeter would not be helpful here,

I use the Electrosmog Detector, as probably knows.

I hope is not in such a snarky mood today, as I would like to ask him

a question. What meters are best for members of the general public to

purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by frequencies

associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that can

distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz.

Of course, anyone, not just , may recommend his/her favored meters for

this task.

Regards,

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com

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In Digest #1902 Evie wrote:

" I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there.  Still

can't sleep there and have emfs, tho. "

Two possibilities come to mind:

1) The dowser wasn't accurate.

2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as

electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their substation,

about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) Did you

check for those?

Shivani Arjuna

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Well, I have placed soem recommendations on:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html

There are probably not many persons who have such a large amount of

different meters as I have.

The Electrosmog detector is nice, but I find that it starts at a too high

level.

Of all my meters I am unseparatable with my Esmog Spion.

It is not a real meter, but a detector.

There are some antennas with it, but I use it mainly without any antenna.

It gives me an instant impression of any situation, because I can hear

instantly what is going on.

Extra with the Esmog Spion is the fact, that it not only can measure high

frequencies, but also lowfrequencies.

It has an incorporated telescopic antenna, and with that you can find *dirty

power* in space !!

I use it also for checking LCD television sets in shops.

It gives a good indication which types are bad or not.

That way you may know which types are unsuitable, but it is not a garantuee

that the others are fine.

I bought a 26 " Acer computer monitor, which was fine at the moment.

But at home, I found heavy peaks at 4.5 MHz. They do not hinder me, but they

are present.

Read about it in the September 2008 issues of *het bitje*, in which I

described measurements with some filters for *dirty power*.

The Esmog Spion is described in the May 2006 issue of *het bitje*.

Both are also in english.

There, also the Profi Spion is described. The difference is, that it has a

BNC bus on which you can mount other antennas, like my favourite Ball

antenna.

With that I detect often heavy radiowaves, which are common with metal

surfaces, like aluminium windows and metal gutters, which should than be

grounded.

Listen also to my sound samples of different elektrosmog sources.

It may help you also with other meters which let you hear the modulations.

It is also my opinion, that the influence of VLF radiation is

underestimated.

Many electrosensibles do have problems with them, mainly from television

sets, and certainly when they use digital signals.

But also from 12/24 V halogen lamps.

I even encountered a nice Harman Kardon stereo set, which emitted VLF up to

5 meters away.

I do not advice demand switches, because they emit heavy dirty power, also

in space.

Only those that are radiocontrolled are advisable.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

> I've just read ' message in Digest 1931 where he says that what I

> shared about dowsing for geopathic stress is bullshit. He goes on to

> say " Btw.

> I wonder how Shivani checks homes for dirty electricity / electrosmog.

> With

> her rods? No more the Stetzerizer meter? "

>

> Why would I use rods to check circuits when the Stetzerizer surgemeter,

> designed specifically to do that, does a great job?

> And why would I try to use rods, or a Stetzerizer surgemeter, to check for

> electrosmog? surely knows that a surgemeter would not be helpful

> here,

> I use the Electrosmog Detector, as probably knows.

>

> I hope is not in such a snarky mood today, as I would like to ask

> him

> a question. What meters are best for members of the general public to

> purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by

> frequencies

> associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that

> can

> distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz.

>

> Of course, anyone, not just , may recommend his/her favored meters

> for

> this task.

>

> Regards,

> Shivani Arjuna

> www.LifeEnergies.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> What meters are best for members of the general public to

> purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by frequencies

> associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that can

> distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz.

Hi Shivani,

When you say " general public " I assume you means low cost and very simple?

No such meter exists for e-field frequency analysis.

The Professional Combination Meter http://www.lessemf.com/combi.html#482 is good

for checking different frequency

ranges (electric and magnetic field).

As an alternative for more sophisticated frequency analysis, you could use the

Electric field Probe

http://www.lessemf.com/electric.html#182 connected to an oscilloscope

http://www.lessemf.com/probe.html#435 or

spectrum analyzer http://www.lessemf.com/probe.html#466

There is also the SPECTRAN Low Frequency meters

http://www.lessemf.com/combi.html#132, but they are quite

complicated to use.

Emil

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Shivani,

 

It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground

currents/electrosmog exist.  We found out months after we bought that house,

while we were doing renovations, that there is a small telephone " switching

station " about 8 feet beyond our property line hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor

neighbor's property.  (Hard to tell what we still don't know that exists

there!)   This switching station is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I

was using.  When it gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally

" off-grid " electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going to try

another bedroom. 

 

I have a few questions tho....  If we are totally off-grid and I am still

reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign this house will

not work for me?  (Or a clue the possible remediations would not be worth the

effort?)  Can ground currents from this switching station (or other sources) be

dealt with effectively?  For instance, (not that it would be feasible from a

cost standpoint) could you redirect the ground currents around your property in

some way with buried rods or pipes?  Are there ways to create smaller scale

diversions?  (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.)  Same with

electrosmog--the only diversion I know is evergreen trees.  Do tree roots also

help with ground currents (or make them worse)?  I have looked for info like

this online but cannot find it--theories but no hard facts.  We have been

discussing " emf transformers " to add to your house wiring.  But are there other

electrosmog

remediations if you are living without electricity in your house?  This

house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or set up with

only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired.  (We could convert that to

a family room--for tv and computer, etc.)  Anybody have thoughts on this and how

it would work (or not!)?  Since the house is nearly a total remodel, we have

pretty much total leeway in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is

not to code anyway.  Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and

just not use it?

 

We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for electrosmog

and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy who other building

biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a clue how to do this and kept

trying to cover up his lack of knowledge by putting us off.  (Everytime I asked

a question, he'd say, " We'll have to see about that " .  After 5 trips out to

investigate and no answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a

clue.)  I am trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this

myself, but I am meter-clueless.  Any advise you have is appreciated.    (Do

you suggest the same meters as for this?)  And thanks for writing even

this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I do appreciate at least

knowing I was headed in the right direction! 

 

Thanks again,

Diane

" I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there.  Still

can't sleep there and have emfs, tho. "

Two possibilities come to mind:

1) The dowser wasn't accurate.

2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as

electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their substation,

about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.) Did you

check for those?

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies. com

..

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Hi, ,

 

You wrote:

" I do not advice demand switches, because they emit heavy dirty power, also

in space.  Only those that are radiocontrolled are advisable. "

 

Do you mean " demand switches " where you have dedicated switches to various

electronics, such as your computer, etc, so that you do not have to unplug it or

turn off the electricity to it at the circuit breaker in order to stop the

electricity to it?  We were considering using that type of demand switches in

our house we are remodeling if we kept the electric there.  So, radiocontrolled

demand switches are better for electrosensible people?  I would have been turned

off by the idea of radiocontrol--my immediate impression is to think frequencies

are related to radiocontrol, so I would have chosen manual demand switches.  (If

we are talking about the same thing.)  I was also wondering if demand switches

work, period, due to halting the electric current and causing possible magnetic

fields there.  Interesting--thanks for the info, . 

 

Diane

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:58 PM

Well, I have placed soem recommendations on:

http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina112a. html

There are probably not many persons who have such a large amount of

different meters as I have.

The Electrosmog detector is nice, but I find that it starts at a too high

level.

Of all my meters I am unseparatable with my Esmog Spion.

It is not a real meter, but a detector.

There are some antennas with it, but I use it mainly without any antenna.

It gives me an instant impression of any situation, because I can hear

instantly what is going on.

Extra with the Esmog Spion is the fact, that it not only can measure high

frequencies, but also lowfrequencies.

It has an incorporated telescopic antenna, and with that you can find *dirty

power* in space !!

I use it also for checking LCD television sets in shops.

It gives a good indication which types are bad or not.

That way you may know which types are unsuitable, but it is not a garantuee

that the others are fine.

I bought a 26 " Acer computer monitor, which was fine at the moment.

But at home, I found heavy peaks at 4.5 MHz. They do not hinder me, but they

are present.

Read about it in the September 2008 issues of *het bitje*, in which I

described measurements with some filters for *dirty power*.

The Esmog Spion is described in the May 2006 issue of *het bitje*.

Both are also in english.

There, also the Profi Spion is described. The difference is, that it has a

BNC bus on which you can mount other antennas, like my favourite Ball

antenna.

With that I detect often heavy radiowaves, which are common with metal

surfaces, like aluminium windows and metal gutters, which should than be

grounded.

Listen also to my sound samples of different elektrosmog sources.

It may help you also with other meters which let you hear the modulations.

It is also my opinion, that the influence of VLF radiation is

underestimated.

Many electrosensibles do have problems with them, mainly from television

sets, and certainly when they use digital signals.

But also from 12/24 V halogen lamps.

I even encountered a nice Harman Kardon stereo set, which emitted VLF up to

5 meters away.

I do not advice demand switches, because they emit heavy dirty power, also

in space.

Only those that are radiocontrolled are advisable.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Bitdefender

Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

> I've just read ' message in Digest 1931 where he says that what I

> shared about dowsing for geopathic stress is bullshit. He goes on to

> say " Btw.

> I wonder how Shivani checks homes for dirty electricity / electrosmog.

> With

> her rods? No more the Stetzerizer meter? "

>

> Why would I use rods to check circuits when the Stetzerizer surgemeter,

> designed specifically to do that, does a great job?

> And why would I try to use rods, or a Stetzerizer surgemeter, to check for

> electrosmog? surely knows that a surgemeter would not be helpful

> here,

> I use the Electrosmog Detector, as probably knows.

>

> I hope is not in such a snarky mood today, as I would like to ask

> him

> a question. What meters are best for members of the general public to

> purchase to check their homes for electric fields characterized by

> frequencies

> associated with ES symptoms? Especially important to have a meter that

> can

> distinguish such electric fields from those that are only 50/60 Hz.

>

> Of course, anyone, not just , may recommend his/her favored meters

> for

> this task.

>

> Regards,

> Shivani Arjuna

> www.LifeEnergies. com

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I learned from Slim Spurling how to redirect or block ground currents

by using copper rods. Go to a hardware store, buy copper wire rods

commonly used for welding. You'll want them eventually about 16 -24

inches long so cutting them may be needed or not.

Dowse to find the currents then just bend about 4 inches of the edges

downwards on the rod and stick them into the earth (under the surface

is better and you can just pound them into the earth with a hammer).

The current will follow the rods. You'll need to do this around your

property so it won't travel through your property.

There are more nuances to this but that is the basic story.

I wouldn't count on it to do very much. These are just surface currents

solutions and not very high tech.

It is interesting that dowsing afterwards will confirm a new current

pattern.

my 2 cents,

On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Evie wrote:

> Thanks, Shivani,

>  

> It could be either problem you mention--the dowser was wrong or ground

> currents/electrosmog exist.  We found out months after we bought that

> house, while we were doing renovations, that there is a small

> telephone " switching station " about 8 feet beyond our property line

> hidden in shrubs on the nextdoor neighbor's property.  (Hard to tell

> what we still don't know that exists there!)   This switching station

> is only about 20 to 25 feet from the bedroom I was using.  When it

> gets warmer, we are going to try moving there again, totally

> " off-grid " electrically, to see what my reactions are and I am going

> to try another bedroom. 

>  

> I have a few questions tho....  If we are totally off-grid and I am

> still reacting there, are there remediations, or is this a sure sign

> this house will not work for me?  (Or a clue the possible remediations

> would not be worth the effort?)  Can ground currents from this

> switching station (or other sources) be dealt with effectively?  For

> instance, (not that it would be feasible from a cost standpoint) could

> you redirect the ground currents around your property in some way with

> buried rods or pipes?  Are there ways to create smaller scale

> diversions?  (I welcome suggestions from anyone on these subjects.) 

> Same with electrosmog--the only diversion I know is evergreen trees. 

> Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)?  I

> have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but

> no hard facts.  We have been discussing " emf transformers " to add to

> your house wiring.  But are there other electrosmog

> remediations if you are living without electricity in your house? 

> This house would be relatively easy to convert to total natural gas or

> set up with only the semi-attached garage as electrically wired.  (We

> could convert that to a family room--for tv and computer, etc.) 

> Anybody have thoughts on this and how it would work (or not!)?  Since

> the house is nearly a total remodel, we have pretty much total leeway

> in this right now--can yank out all the wiring--it is not to code

> anyway.  Or would it be better to leave the wiring in the walls and

> just not use it?

>  

> We tried contacting a building biologist locally who could check for

> electrosmog and ground currents, but we couldn't find one--even a guy

> who other building biologists thought was an emf expert didn't have a

> clue how to do this and kept trying to cover up his lack of knowledge

> by putting us off.  (Everytime I asked a question, he'd say, " We'll

> have to see about that " .  After 5 trips out to investigate and no

> answers, I felt there was very likely no chance he had a clue.)  I am

> trying to learn enough thru books to understand how to do this myself,

> but I am meter-clueless.  Any advise you have is appreciated.    (Do

> you suggest the same meters as for this?)  And thanks for

> writing even this, Shivani--tho I had already figured this myself, I

> do appreciate at least knowing I was headed in the right direction! 

>  

> Thanks again,

> Diane

>

>

> " I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. 

> Still

> can't sleep there and have emfs, tho. "

>

> Two possibilities come to mind:

> 1) The dowser wasn't accurate.

> 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as

> electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their

> substation,

> about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.)

> Did you

> check for those?

> Shivani Arjuna

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In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:07:19 P.M. GMT Standard Time,

amcafeerr@... writes:

Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I

> have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but

> no hard facts. We have been discussing " emf transformers " to add to

> your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog

Since tree roots conduct Lightening I am of the opinion that trees

(depending on type height root form) are not necessarily good if they are close

to the

house or places where you spend a lot of time, if they are in the line of

sight of a transmitter, they may well distribute signals into the ground

especially damp earth and subtley re-radiate it, so like all potential sheilds

you

need a good buffer zone.

PUK

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .  This is just opinion tho and not researched info? 

 

Thanks again,

Diane

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Geopathic stress?? and EHS

Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:58 AM

In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:07:19 P.M. GMT Standard Time,

amcafeerrnc (DOT) rr.com writes:

Do tree roots also help with ground currents (or make them worse)? I

> have looked for info like this online but cannot find it--theories but

> no hard facts. We have been discussing " emf transformers " to add to

> your house wiring. But are there other electrosmog

Since tree roots conduct Lightening I am of the opinion that trees

(depending on type height root form) are not necessarily good if they are close

to the

house or places where you spend a lot of time, if they are in the line of

sight of a transmitter, they may well distribute signals into the ground

especially damp earth and subtley re-radiate it, so like all potential sheilds

you

need a good buffer zone.

PUK

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/9/2009 5:16:08 P.M. GMT Standard Time,

evie15422@... writes:

Thanks, . This is just opinion tho and not researched info?

Thanks again,

Diane

For sure Diane,.

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Hi ,

how do you do a slim spurling LIGHT LIFE RING? I have been looking for info how

to build it right. I hope you can share your knowledge.

Cristine

> > " I had my property checked and no geopathic zones were found there. 

> > Still

> > can't sleep there and have emfs, tho. "

> >

> > Two possibilities come to mind:

> > 1) The dowser wasn't accurate.

> > 2) There may be other reasons why you don't sleep well, there, such as

> > electrosmog or ground currents (Electrons on their way home to their

> > substation,

> > about 80% of which, in some parts of the USA, do so via the earth.)

> > Did you

> > check for those?

> > Shivani Arjuna

> > www.LifeEnergies. com

> >

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