Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

[Guest guest]

> I am thinking of adding either the Quantum Pro

Note that the Quantum Pro may be overkill for working with the

computer/laptop. I get by using my computer at home using 1 Quantum

power strip, the Quantum Byte software (Windows), and a Springlife

OM pendant placed in front of the monitor. The Quantum Pro

isn't really the right device for tolerating the computer -- it's

more for tolerating a large building full of stuff, and overkill

for a single computer.

There may be some overlap in functionality between the Quantum items

and the Stetzerizer items, but people here have reported benefits

from using both in parallel.

Marc

[Guest guest]

The Quantum Conditioner power strip does have a slot for the phone line

and does help some.

Sounds like you are doing what you need to do with the filters and

protection.

If you are confident that you have isolated the problem EMF areas of

the house including sleeping area, then energizing foods and exercise

help me the most in tolerating the rest.

Additional boosting of the immune system and strengthening your

tolerance sounds like the next step.

Raw Organic Colostrum, light weight lifting and yoga provide me the

quickest relief and strength.

There are so many products and so many directions to go from here to

your recovery.

Iodine supplements (Iodoral), DHEA (brain protection) have also had

short term marked results with me... Get some blood work done, heavy

metal work (hair) and see where you are.

I don't recommend heavy detoxing until your know your gut is good (no

leaky gut). Rebuild first with probiotics, glutamine, etc., then colon

cleanses, then liver and kidneys, then lymphatic, then brain...

More and more I believe my condition was brought on by toxins

reentering my system, brain, nerves, etc. so repairing and improving

the digestion and elimination systems is essential to me.

all my best to you,

On Jun 9, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Inthepresent@... wrote:

> Hi Everyone : ) I have really bad e.sens., with extreme agitation,

> feeling

> overwhelmed and insomnia from the computer and telephone (cellular and

> regular).

> I have found some help from Stetzer filters (house feels calmer,

> husband

> and friends notice it too), Q-link pendant (small amount of help) and

> grounding mat in car (less irritable).

> I am thinking of adding either the Quantum Pro or the BioProtect

> Card to

> this arsenal, because I am still get very sick from computer and phone.

> Does anyone know how they would work with the Stetzer filters?

> Do they

> do the same thing as the Stetzer filters?

> Also want to add that I am taking some neurontin (prescription

> seizure

> drug) for the e sens. which helps but is *very* fatiguing and also I

> run my

> laptop on a battery. I find that not plugging the laptop into

> household current

> is very helpful.

> Thanks for any input!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use both myself. I have a quantum pro and it is turned up to the max. I also

have 20 stetzer filters. I'll never unplug any of it. Never had any bad side

effects. And I am a big believer in overkill.

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> I am thinking of adding either the Quantum Pro

Note that the Quantum Pro may be overkill for working with the

computer/laptop. I get by using my computer at home using 1 Quantum

power strip, the Quantum Byte software (Windows), and a Springlife

OM pendant placed in front of the monitor. The Quantum Pro

isn't really the right device for tolerating the computer -- it's

more for tolerating a large building full of stuff, and overkill

for a single computer.

There may be some overlap in functionality between the Quantum items

and the Stetzerizer items, but people here have reported benefits

from using both in parallel.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> I use both myself. I have a quantum pro and it is turned up to the max. I

also have 20 stetzer

> filters. I'll never unplug any of it. Never had any bad side effects. And I

am a big believer

> in overkill.

" Overkill " was a poor choice of words on my part. The original question

was how to better tolerate using a computer. I've tried every possible

combination of dozens of EMF protection devices to better tolerate

using my computer, and the Quantum Pro was not part of the most effective

solution. Instead, a combination of much less expensive items were.

Of course, everyone is different -- it could be that using the Quantum Pro

*is* a better choice for someone else.

Marc

[Guest guest]

,

I spent hundreds of dollars on the phone problem with little success.

What finally worked was increasing my distance from the receiver by

attaching a stethoscope to listen through. Cheap and works great,

although some people have trouble hearing me speak from that distance.

I carry a second stethoscope in my car to use at public phones.

bluebonnet

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/2006 2:30:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

marc@... writes:

> I am thinking of adding either the Quantum Pro

Note that the Quantum Pro may be overkill for working with the

computer/laptop. I get by using my computer at home using 1 Quantum

power strip, the Quantum Byte software (Windows), and a Springlife

OM pendant placed in front of the monitor. The Quantum Pro

isn't really the right device for tolerating the computer -- it's

more for tolerating a large building full of stuff, and overkill

for a single computer.

There may be some overlap in functionality between the Quantum items

and the Stetzerizer items, but people here have reported benefits

from using both in parallel.

MarcThanks so much for this reply. I can't look at my email more than once a

week, so I'm sorry I'm so slow with thank yous and replys.

That's interesting about the quantum pro being overkill for a laptop

computer. Also, about the overlap between Quantum and Stetzer. I can tell

anyone, the Stetzer is " the real deal " . It really does take high frequency

noise

off your household wiring.

Unfortunately, though the stetzer helps, for me it's not enough.

I'll write more about what has helped me under that subject thread.

Thanks very much again!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/2006 6:49:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

amcafeerr@... writes:

The Quantum Conditioner power strip does have a slot for the phone line

and does help some.

Thanks for that feedback!

Sounds like you are doing what you need to do with the filters and

protection.

If you are confident that you have isolated the problem EMF areas of

the house including sleeping area, then energizing foods and exercise

help me the most in tolerating the rest.

I do find exercise helpful.

Additional boosting of the immune system and strengthening your

tolerance sounds like the next step.

I have some kind of immune system problem, an imbalance. Can't tolerate

colostrum or lots of other supplements- hypersensitive to them, but I very

much appreciate your feedback on this.

My best to you too : )

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/10/2006 12:51:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

straitguy@... writes:

I use both myself. I have a quantum pro and it is turned up to the max. I

also have 20 stetzer filters. I'll never unplug any of it. Never had any bad

side

effects. And I am a big believer in overkill.Hi and thanks for the feedback.

I have about 16 stetzer filters plugged into our small townhouse.

Interesting that you are using the quantum pro too. I could try it and if it

feels like

" too much " for me I can always return it. Thanks again : ) stephanie

[Guest guest]

> I can tell anyone, the Stetzer is " the real deal " . It really

> does take high frequency noise off your household wiring.

I'm sure it does.

The question is -- how much of your ES symptoms are coming

from your household wiring, and how much are coming from

elsewhere?

Marc

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2006 1:31:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

marc@... writes:

> I can tell anyone, the Stetzer is " the real deal " . It really

> does take high frequency noise off your household wiring.

I'm sure it does.

The question is -- how much of your ES symptoms are coming

from your household wiring, and how much are coming from

elsewhere? Good question Marc. How would one know though? I certainly still

have e sens even though the stetzer filters help.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/22/2006 12:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

marc@... writes:

I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

problems, then you could state with some certainty that

you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

most people here react to things beside their wiring.

Hi Marc. I think the stetzers only take high frequency noise off the wires.

that still leaves being in close proximity to emfs from computers,

telephones, etc. also if you're in an apartment or condo, you can have other

people's

wireless signals coming into your apartment! and signals from cell phone

towers, etc. It's a tough problem!

[Guest guest]

> The question is -- how much of your ES symptoms are coming

> from your household wiring, and how much are coming from

> elsewhere? Good question Marc. How would one know though? I certainly

> still have e sens even though the stetzer filters help.

I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

problems, then you could state with some certainty that

you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

most people here react to things beside their wiring.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Here in Europe there are norms for the electricity mains.

From 1Hz - 1.25 kHz tehre is a Norm

From 150 kHz - 30 MHz there is a norm, but in theregion in between, there is

nothing.

So between 1.25 Khz and 150 kHz, a lot of *dirty power* is in the mains,

coming from your own transformes, halogen lights, and fro outside, small

factories, elevator motors braking in speed, other motors, etc.

For that purpose, the Stetzer filters are meant.

Frequencies above 150 kHz are not allowed, although present.

The main dirty sources are around 30 kHz.

But the Stetzer filters only work on sources which are in the mains.

The signals which are in space, like those of mobile phones, it does not

function there.

Be aware, that mobile phone signals contain also dirt and garbage.

High frequency signals like to *ride along* with other high frequencies.

Don't forget the radio and TV signals.

I found 30 kHz signals with UMTS or 3G signals, as well as with radar

signals (of about 10 GHz)

And all those signals are not in the mains but *in space.*

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton Antivirus

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> In a message dated 6/22/2006 12:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> marc@... writes:

> I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

> problems, then you could state with some certainty that

> you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

> wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

> reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

> equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

> most people here react to things beside their wiring.

>

>

> Hi Marc. I think the stetzers only take high frequency noise off the

> wires.

> that still leaves being in close proximity to emfs from computers,

> telephones, etc. also if you're in an apartment or condo, you can have

> other people's

> wireless signals coming into your apartment! and signals from cell phone

> towers, etc. It's a tough problem!

>

[Guest guest]

, you seem to know a lot about electricity and wiring. I was wondering

if I might ask you a question. I have my computer pretty close to my bed as I

live in small quarters and can't move things around much or get them far away

from me. So I put in a light switch to turn off the outlet that controls the

computer and all the other stuff around it. It cuts the power and keeps it away

from my feet when I sleep. ( I used to wake up with aching calfs and determined

it was the electricity near my feet). I'm wondering if any dirty emf can still

accumulate through the neutral white wire as the light switch only interupts the

flow of the hot black wire. Maybe a stupid question.

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> In a message dated 6/22/2006 12:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> marc@... writes:

> I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

> problems, then you could state with some certainty that

> you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

> wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

> reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

> equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

> most people here react to things beside their wiring.

>

>

> Hi Marc. I think the stetzers only take high frequency noise off the

> wires.

> that still leaves being in close proximity to emfs from computers,

> telephones, etc. also if you're in an apartment or condo, you can have

> other people's

> wireless signals coming into your apartment! and signals from cell phone

> towers, etc. It's a tough problem!

>

[Guest guest]

First of all, there are no stupid questions.

Only stupid answers.

I think that your problem is with this light switch.

In Germany they are selling automatic fuses, that turn off the line

completely, when no current is needed.

See: http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/PRODUKTE/NETZABKOPPLER.HTM

If you use a switch, it is not certain, that both the poles are interrupted.

I prefer using a plug with a built-in switch, which disconnetcs both the

poles, both wires.

See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112c.html

Ordinary switches disconnect only one pole, and you do not know whether the

phase or the neutral is interrupted.

When only one wire is disconnected, you may have an electrical field on your

installation.

Or pull all plugs at night.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton Antivirus

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

>

> > In a message dated 6/22/2006 12:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > marc@... writes:

> > I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

> > problems, then you could state with some certainty that

> > you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

> > wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

> > reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

> > equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

> > most people here react to things beside their wiring.

> >

> >

> > Hi Marc. I think the stetzers only take high frequency noise off the

> > wires.

> > that still leaves being in close proximity to emfs from computers,

> > telephones, etc. also if you're in an apartment or condo, you can have

> > other people's

> > wireless signals coming into your apartment! and signals from cell

> phone

> > towers, etc. It's a tough problem!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply. I do not know much about this stuff. I'm wondering

if anybody in America knows of a similar product that can be purchased here?

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

>

> > In a message dated 6/22/2006 12:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > marc@... writes:

> > I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

> > problems, then you could state with some certainty that

> > you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

> > wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

> > reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

> > equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

> > most people here react to things beside their wiring.

> >

> >

> > Hi Marc. I think the stetzers only take high frequency noise off the

> > wires.

> > that still leaves being in close proximity to emfs from computers,

> > telephones, etc. also if you're in an apartment or condo, you can have

> > other people's

> > wireless signals coming into your apartment! and signals from cell

> phone

> > towers, etc. It's a tough problem!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In America you may try http://www.enviratest.com/

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

>

>

> First of all, there are no stupid questions.

> Only stupid answers.

>

> I think that your problem is with this light switch.

> In Germany they are selling automatic fuses, that turn off the line

> completely, when no current is needed.

> See: http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/PRODUKTE/NETZABKOPPLER.HTM

>

> If you use a switch, it is not certain, that both the poles are

> interrupted.

> I prefer using a plug with a built-in switch, which disconnetcs both the

> poles, both wires.

> See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112c.html

> Ordinary switches disconnect only one pole, and you do not know whether

> the

> phase or the neutral is interrupted.

> When only one wire is disconnected, you may have an electrical field on

> your

> installation.

>

> Or pull all plugs at night.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton Antivirus

>

[Guest guest]

I checked this site. The only thing that might do the job is the demand switch

they sell. It is pretty expensive. About 235 dollars if I remember correctly.

Something to do slowly in the future a little bit at a time when I have the

extra cash. Thanks for the site.

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

>

>

> First of all, there are no stupid questions.

> Only stupid answers.

>

> I think that your problem is with this light switch.

> In Germany they are selling automatic fuses, that turn off the line

> completely, when no current is needed.

> See: http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/PRODUKTE/NETZABKOPPLER.HTM

>

> If you use a switch, it is not certain, that both the poles are

> interrupted.

> I prefer using a plug with a built-in switch, which disconnetcs both the

> poles, both wires.

> See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112c.html

> Ordinary switches disconnect only one pole, and you do not know whether

> the

> phase or the neutral is interrupted.

> When only one wire is disconnected, you may have an electrical field on

> your

> installation.

>

> Or pull all plugs at night.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton Antivirus

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/12/2006 4:53:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

bluebonnet46@... writes:

,

I spent hundreds of dollars on the phone problem with little success.

What finally worked was increasing my distance from the receiver by

attaching a stethoscope to listen through. Cheap and works great,

although some people have trouble hearing me speak from that distance.

I carry a second stethoscope in my car to use at public phones.

wow, bluebonnet, what a creative solution! What I have done which I will say

is somewhat successful, is I have a Polycom speakerphone. This is the brand

most major corporations use. Speakerphones people have in their homes have a

technology which makes it so that when one person is speaking, the other

temporarily cannot. If two people talk at once, it cuts off one and gets

choppy.

Polycom has a dual digital something or other (can't remember name, I

know it has the word " dual " in it), where people can interrupt and talk over one

another, etc. and it will not " cut out " . Most people don't know I'm on

speakerphone.

However, it has computer-like circuitry in it and I have to be fairly

far from it to not feel agitated. but it is certainly better than being on the

regular type of phone.

one last note, the phone I have retails for around $400 (not a typo!),

but I found a place in New York on google where it was like $250. I think I

have have spent thousands of dollars dealing with this electrical sensitivity

[Guest guest]

Have you seen what I have done with my phone see photo section

[Guest guest]

I was exposed to Sodium Bendiocarb - is this a bad one ?

[Guest guest]

Marc wrote:

I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

> problems, then you could state with some certainty that

> you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

> wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

> reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

> equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

> most people here react to things beside their wiring.

Shivani responds:

The first sentence is logical, but not the second.

The higher frequency currents of electrical pollution that are on your

wiring are often present and broadcasting from other things as well, such as

your water pipes, phone lines... The health-damaging high frequency current

is subject to the " skin effect, " which means that, unlike 50/60 Hz, it flows

away from the wiring and keeps on flowing, over the surfaces of things not

usually considered " conductive. " Hence, just installing Stetzer filters is

not

the end of the job you need to do regarding electrical pollution. You need

to find out where else this dirty current may be flowing around your home.

(Note that a Gauss meter is useless for this task. You must be able to

identify high frequency electric fields, specifically. For this task I offer

the

ia Multidetektor.)

In other words, the " dirty electricity " brought into your house via the

wiring will continue to give you grief till you find and deal with the

non-wiring places it's hanging out, in addition to installing Stetzer filters.

And of course wireless transmissions may well be a problem too.

Regards,

Shivani Arjuna

Life Energies

[Guest guest]

Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as hydrogen

fluoride?

Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the

electricity

coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.

One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised thyroid. It is

interesting if

you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid, from the

google search

you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of water

causing

problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate). Fluoride is

THEE most

electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.

I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium fluoride

too.

So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the bathroom giving off

those

readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride sprayed on

the dry

foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up Ready)

" treated " .

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm

Just curious.

> I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your

> > problems, then you could state with some certainty that

> > you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household

> > wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also

> > reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic

> > equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that

> > most people here react to things beside their wiring.

>

> Shivani responds:

> The first sentence is logical, but not the second.

> The higher frequency currents of electrical pollution that are on your

> wiring are often present and broadcasting from other things as well, such as

> your water pipes, phone lines... The health-damaging high frequency

current

> is subject to the " skin effect, " which means that, unlike 50/60 Hz, it flows

> away from the wiring and keeps on flowing, over the surfaces of things not

> usually considered " conductive. " Hence, just installing Stetzer filters is

not

> the end of the job you need to do regarding electrical pollution. You need

> to find out where else this dirty current may be flowing around your home.

> (Note that a Gauss meter is useless for this task. You must be able to

> identify high frequency electric fields, specifically. For this task I

offer the

> ia Multidetektor.)

> In other words, the " dirty electricity " brought into your house via the

> wiring will continue to give you grief till you find and deal with the

> non-wiring places it's hanging out, in addition to installing Stetzer filters.

> And of course wireless transmissions may well be a problem too.

> Regards,

> Shivani Arjuna

> Life Energies

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

no, no, no.

Gasses do not emit EMF.

EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate

waves (which is fairly everywhere).

EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a correlation.

Radon gas is not EMF, which means non-ionising.

But Radon falls under the ionising stuff.

There are special (expensive) meters for measuring Radon.

There are even color-changing test strips available.

Radon is a waste product of radioactivity.

It may come from some building materials, but the bulk is coming from good

old earth.

In the Netherlands it was measured:

From the soil, some 30.000 Bq/m3.

In the crawl space under the floor some 300 Bq/m3 can be found.

In the living rooms above that some 20 Bq/m3, and in the open air some 3

Bq/m3.

There is also a relation with the number of positive air ions.

(We need a lot of negative air ions, but the positive should be as less as

possible.

Therefore we always measure the amount inside and outside the house for

comparison.)

So there is always some Radon gas present.

But you should not care too much about the gasses.

Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida (albicans).

That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of quite well.

(It is all written on my HP starting at:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html

and following pages.

But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.

They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)

There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:

See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html

First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, fill a

clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use tap water to

eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.

Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the

water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.

If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down

into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or " cloudy " saliva will

sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be suspended

in the water.

And if you have Candida, take proper actions.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton Antivirus

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as

> hydrogen fluoride?

>

> Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the

> electricity

> coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.

>

> One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised thyroid. It

> is interesting if

> you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid, from

> the google search

> you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of

> water causing

> problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate).

> Fluoride is THEE most

> electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.

>

> I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium

> fluoride too.

>

> So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the bathroom giving

> off those

> readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride

> sprayed on the dry

> foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up Ready)

> " treated " .

>

>

> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm

>

> Just curious.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and folks:

From my perspective as an electronics engineer and a scientist, this

reasoning is not at all accurate or correct, and rather, I agree with

the explanation offered by .

with care,

--Vinny

At 04:22 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:

> " EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate

> > waves (which is fairly everywhere). "

>

>...this is not correct. In the WebElements periodic table http://

>www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/F/key.html (that is

>for fluorine),

>there are measurable electronic properties that are given for each

>element, along with

>their thermodynamics (for generating heat).

>

>Gas reading instrumentation and testing is done on Electromagentic

>Force. I realize this is

>different than field but ultimately, it correlates directly to the

>electronic output of the gas.

>Gas (and coal for that matter) is made up from elements that hold

>electronic properties.

>Chemical products, especially those for the home and car are also

>made with elements

>that hold electronic properties.

>

>For example, PVDF (polyvinylidene fluoride) shows piezoelectricity

>greater than quartz.

>Would it be dangerous? Only if you are wearing polyester pants,

>scooched across your car

>seat, holding your cell phone, and pumping your gas.

>

>Is a chemical generating radiation harmful....well yes....in large

>quantities. Does chemical

>EMF create a similar physical condition with contamination as a cell

>phone? Yes, and so

>does gas. EMF comes from chemicals, gas, lighting....and just like

>you mentioned, the

>telecommunications proliferation of towers and generators and substations.

>

>Thanks for the information about candida and those links.

>

>

>

>

>

> > EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a correlation.

>

>

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > no, no, no.

> >

> > Gasses do not emit EMF.

> > EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate

> > waves (which is fairly everywhere).

> > EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a correlation.

> >

> > Radon gas is not EMF, which means non-ionising.

> > But Radon falls under the ionising stuff.

> > There are special (expensive) meters for measuring Radon.

> > There are even color-changing test strips available.

> > Radon is a waste product of radioactivity.

> >

> > It may come from some building materials, but the bulk is coming from good

> > old earth.

> > In the Netherlands it was measured:

> > From the soil, some 30.000 Bq/m3.

> > In the crawl space under the floor some 300 Bq/m3 can be found.

> > In the living rooms above that some 20 Bq/m3, and in the open air some 3

> > Bq/m3.

> >

> > There is also a relation with the number of positive air ions.

> > (We need a lot of negative air ions, but the positive should be as less as

> > possible.

> > Therefore we always measure the amount inside and outside the house for

> > comparison.)

> >

> > So there is always some Radon gas present.

> >

> > But you should not care too much about the gasses.

> >

> > Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida (albicans).

> > That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of

> quite well.

> >

> > (It is all written on my HP starting at:

> > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html

> > and following pages.

> > But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.

> > They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)

> >

> > There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:

> > See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html

> >

> > First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, fill a

> > clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use

> tap water to

> > eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.

> >

> > Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the

> > water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.

> >

> > If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down

> > into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or " cloudy "

> saliva will

> > sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be

> suspended

> > in the water.

> >

> > And if you have Candida, take proper actions.

> >

> > Greetings,

> > Claessens

> > member Verband Baubiologie

> > www.milieuziektes.nl

> > www.milieuziektes.be

> > www.hetbitje.nl

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> >

> >

> >

> > Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> >

> >

> > > Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as

> > > hydrogen fluoride?

> > >

> > > Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the

> > > electricity

> > > coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.

> > >

> > > One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised

> thyroid. It

> > > is interesting if

> > > you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid, from

> > > the google search

> > > you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of

> > > water causing

> > > problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate).

> > > Fluoride is THEE most

> > > electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.

> > >

> > > I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium

> > > fluoride too.

> > >

> > > So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the

> bathroom giving

> > > off those

> > > readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride

> > > sprayed on the dry

> > > foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up Ready)

> > > " treated " .

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm

> > >

> > > Just curious.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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