Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 > You didn't put it on your bed? Yes, but making direct contact with the sheet just agitates me. Putting it along the perimeter of the bed might be slightly helpful, but I may just be imagining that... > Unrelated, I just bought the quantum autosense and for some reason it > seems to make me more agitated. I got into traffic last night and thought > I would flip my gourd. That's no good -- it's supposed to have the opposite effect! Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 No, haven't got it set up on the bed yet. My parents bed has been grounded since the first of Febraury and my mother has her feet on the ground pad most of the day. Just got a splitter last week so they can both be grounded during the day.  I have all the bands, sleep system, auto system and the pad. Just received the auto system yesterday ... will set it up tomorrow.  My parents are set-up via their crawl space, I have to go through the electrical outlets and I don't have any grounded outlets upstairs ... need to get that done.  When I first used the grounded pad it seemed to make me jumpy and itchy, but it calmed down.  Marty From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:57 PM  You didn't put it on your bed? Unrelated, I just bought the quantum autosense and for some reason it seems to make me more agitated. I got into traffic last night and thought I would flip my gourd. > > > Does anyone have any experience with these? I am getting desperate to > > find some insomnia relief. The Smart Meters are killing me. > > I've got a grounding sheet, but haven't really found any good use for > it yet. I don't think it would help with Smart Meters... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 > As for the auto clear, I am going to keep experimenting with it to see if > it's really getting me agitated. There is no control on it so no way to > change the setting. Yes, the Quantum Auto Clears *used* to be adjustable -- the one I have is. I don't know why they " downgraded " to the non-adjustable ones... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Did you have a bad reaction to the Quantum Auto Clear a second time? Note that the biggest proponents here for the items from Quantum Products (me & Diane) both had adverse reactions to these products at first. In my case, I know that the adverse reactions lasted months for some of the stronger items (e.g. Quantum Pro). However, in the long run the adverse reactions went away and these proved to be an essential tool for tolerating high EMF environments (e.g. workplace) Basically, it is my opinion that any EMF protection device that is going to be helpful in the long run will provoke adverse reactions at first, and a tolerance must be built up. Marc On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:34:34 -0000, " torch369 " <torch369@...> said: > Me neither, I am going to return it. I'm hesitant about trying the > quantum home now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 > It did bother me the second and third time. The other thing I didn't like > about it is that it didn't turn off when the car was turned off and would > have to pull it out and put it back everytime i drove which is a pain. Ahh, well that sounds like a *car* problem.... my car doesn't leave the cigarette outlets active when turned off. > My biggest issue right now is the smart meter. If the Quantum Home can > help that then I would be willing to try it, but if it just worked on the > wiring in the apt. I think the Quantum Home does help what's " in the air " , but so far I've seen no reports of *anything* helping with Smart Meters. And we don't have Smart Meters here, so I can't test my devices with them. > This may sound bizarre, but i bought some crystals after researching > which ones would be good for emf protection (I ended up with black > tourmaline, Amethyst, smoky crystal, amzonite, and fluorite). I put 2 on > one side of my monitor and 3 on the other. For some reason I feel a > little better while I am on the computer. That's good, but be aware that crystals need to be periodically " cleansed " (or so they say), as they can accumulate the negative energy until they become a source of it themselves. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 > Can you tell me which system of grounding sheets you're talking about? > Are they grounded using plug at outlet, or w/grounding rod outside? The grounding sheet I'm using is from Earthing.com, and I am grounding it with a nearby outlet. I suspect that the ground on that outlet is not 100% " clean " , so it is provoking a bad reaction when I make direct contact with the sheet. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 The way I understand it, everything on that circuit would have to be properly wired & grounded, not just that outlet. *I could be wrong. But here is what I found. I have the steizer filters. I had several on my bathroom outlet, and in the room next to it. The readings with the micro surge meter were showing anywhere betw 221-287. (Anyone who's done readings using the micro surge meter knows these readings change.) Now, when " all " of the outlets that were ON that circuit were properly wired & grounded, the micro surge readings on all outlets for " that " circuit- were all under 40, and some under 30. So your statement is probably true...but just to clarify that in my house, I have found outlets not even remotely close to each other, on different circuits. I hope my house is just an anomoly, but probably its not. * I do use a bed grounding system, but instead of using either the ground rod into the outside ground soil, or plugging into an outlet...I use a ceramic planter (5 gal) filled with soil that drains well (Ie: not too sandy, not too much clay)....a 6 inch copper rod 1/2 in diameter, the alligator clips- and I ground the bed sheet silver fabric **(it goes UNDER) the sheet- by attaching one end of the alligator clip to the special fabric, and the other end to the copper rod inside the planter pot. NOw the soil in the pot is never supposed to DRY. And the water used has to be s/thing akin to either artesian spring water or spring water. **NOT TAP WATER...ours is city water and probably loaded with nasties, not to leave out chlorine and fluoride. I also used a smaller version of this same system in my car, for my daughter, who is also ES. I made a small pad, put the silver fabric on the inside, left a slot open at the seam, and using a smaller planter with soil and copper rod/allig clips/wire...attach the clip to the seat pad, and the other to the planter. **Why this method? Because I didn't know if there was alot of ground current in my land, and at that time, I had a sense that the plug in method might not be safe either. So I was talking to a healer/colleague in Ireland about using the bed grounding system, but asked " why couldn't I use a planter " ...but I couldn't find any information online on this, let alone anything that would tell me if this system would work. It turned out, the Irish healer uses this same system in his healing studio, and in his car. *I should add that our beds are metal-free. The results? Both my daughter and I feel that our sleep is much better. And in the car? She said she felt a thousand percent better using this system! Whereas before, she'd get nauseated. I don't yet have a body voltage meter or galvanic skin response tester...but so far, my daughter has proven to be a very sensitive human meter. And many of her earlier symptoms have disappeared. Lizzie From: marc@... Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:32:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: Grounding Sheets > Can you tell me which system of grounding sheets you're talking about? > Are they grounded using plug at outlet, or w/grounding rod outside? The grounding sheet I'm using is from Earthing.com, and I am grounding it with a nearby outlet. I suspect that the ground on that outlet is not 100% " clean " , so it is provoking a bad reaction when I make direct contact with the sheet. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hi, Steve (Torch),  Sorry I am not online lately and I am just getting to your post. The Quantum Pro took about a month for me to totally tolerate without detox reactions. However, you will experience detox reactions even if you go to stay in a safe environment for awhile. Right now, I am having detox reactions without using any devices due to moving permanently to my other house we have remediated. The reactions are things like poor word finding, minor clumsiness.... They started there about 2 weeks after the move (I am starting week 5 there, so I hope this clears up in a couple weeks).  The Quantum Home doesn't have the settings that the Pro does. The Q Home would *not* have worked for me, because I actually kept the Pro on a setting that was not available on the Q Home. That setting was the optimum setting for me and it didn't exist on the Q Home.  So, it is always necessary to actually give a device a good amount of time to see if it will work. They often will not and you will have to return many. This doesn't mean you won't find a device that works for you, it is just alot of trial and error.  That said, I think Marc and I both had best results with the Quantum Pro--but Marc had both, I believe--the Pro and Home, right Marc? I tried the Q Companion but it did not work for me and I returned it.  Don't be scared away from trying devices. Some will work, but know you will have to send back some of them, so be sure they have a reliable (and a timely) return policy. Anything less than 60 days to return is not going to give you enough time to know whether it works for you.  Hope you find one that works, Diane From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 12:50 PM  Did you have a bad reaction to the Quantum Auto Clear a second time? Note that the biggest proponents here for the items from Quantum Products (me & Diane) both had adverse reactions to these products at first. In my case, I know that the adverse reactions lasted months for some of the stronger items (e.g. Quantum Pro). However, in the long run the adverse reactions went away and these proved to be an essential tool for tolerating high EMF environments (e.g. workplace) Basically, it is my opinion that any EMF protection device that is going to be helpful in the long run will provoke adverse reactions at first, and a tolerance must be built up. Marc On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:34:34 -0000, " torch369 " <torch369@...> said: > Me neither, I am going to return it. I'm hesitant about trying the > quantum home now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hi again, Steve,  Remember that your crystals will need cleared and cleaned. If you continue using them, they will build up emfs and, sooner or later, start putting those back into the atmosphere. I use gemstones (not for emfs) and they work great, but they are not a " buy and forget them " kind of product. You have to constantly wash and clear them. I put mine under a tree in a state park for several days to clear them.  Diane From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 1:20 AM  It did bother me the second and third time. The other thing I didn't like about it is that it didn't turn off when the car was turned off and would have to pull it out and put it back everytime i drove which is a pain. My biggest issue right now is the smart meter. If the Quantum Home can help that then I would be willing to try it, but if it just worked on the wiring in the apt. I don't think it would be worth it. This may sound bizarre, but i bought some crystals after researching which ones would be good for emf protection (I ended up with black tourmaline, Amethyst, smoky crystal, amzonite, and fluorite). I put 2 on one side of my monitor and 3 on the other. For some reason I feel a little better while I am on the computer. They all cost me $20 total and they look nice so I'm glad i bought them. I'm going to buy a second set for my bedroom. > > Did you have a bad reaction to the Quantum Auto Clear a second time? > > Note that the biggest proponents here for the items from Quantum Products > (me & Diane) both had adverse reactions to these products at first. In > my case, I know that the adverse reactions lasted months for some of > the stronger items (e.g. Quantum Pro). However, in the long run the > adverse reactions went away and these proved to be an essential tool > for tolerating high EMF environments (e.g. workplace) > > Basically, it is my opinion that any EMF protection device that is > going to be helpful in the long run will provoke adverse reactions > at first, and a tolerance must be built up. > > Marc > > On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:34:34 -0000, " torch369 " <torch369@...> said: > > Me neither, I am going to return it. I'm hesitant about trying the > > quantum home now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 > That said, I think Marc and I both had best results with the Quantum > Pro--but Marc had both, I believe--the Pro and Home, right Marc? I tried > the Q Companion but it did not work for me and I returned it. Yes, I have the Quantum Home, plus I have both the old and the new Quantum Pro -- the new Quantum Pro has the settings you are talking about (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,A,B,C,D,E), while the old Quantum Pro did not. Although I personally haven't noticed any major difference between these settings... they all seem to work about the same for me. I do notice the " strength " setting (the knob), and that is the one I use for adjustments. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hi, Marc,  You wrote: <Yes, I have the Quantum Home, plus I have both the old and the new Quantum Pro -- the new Quantum Pro has the settings you are talking about (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,A,B,C,D,E), while the old Quantum Pro did not. Although I personally haven't noticed any major difference between these settings... they all seem to work about the same for me. I do notice the " strength " setting (the knob), and that is the one I use for adjustments.> I answer: I just wanted to tell you, I am the opposite--I feel different for each of these new Pro settings! I cannot tolerate the ones over 7, but I am best on # 2 or # 3. Even my non-ES husband thought he saw some differences between the lower and higher settings. One of the settings made him fall asleep! lol  Sorry this is so late getting to you. I am only online a few hours on weekends now. Diane From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 12:05 PM  > That said, I think Marc and I both had best results with the Quantum > Pro--but Marc had both, I believe--the Pro and Home, right Marc? I tried > the Q Companion but it did not work for me and I returned it. Yes, I have the Quantum Home, plus I have both the old and the new Quantum Pro -- the new Quantum Pro has the settings you are talking about (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,A,B,C,D,E), while the old Quantum Pro did not. Although I personally haven't noticed any major difference between these settings... they all seem to work about the same for me. I do notice the " strength " setting (the knob), and that is the one I use for adjustments. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hi Steve,  You wrote: " What kind of crystals have you used? Could put them on a tree in your backyard to clear them & for how long? Or did you use a tree that tests low w your meter? "  I answer: I have tried a number of different stones and shells. I like mother of pearl (the vibes make me feel good and grounded; it is supposed to help with emfs but I don't notice more), rose quartz (wow, makes me go right to sleep and I had insomnia for years and difficulty sleeping even after I got to sleeping 4 hours/ night), amazonite (I use it for bodily healing--my spine felt stiff for decades and it released the stiffness, and I seem to have fewer migraines with wearing it), amethyst--(it makes my house feel particularly calm, warm, and peaceful). These are all I use on a regular basis. I like unikite and onyx for when my life gets stuck and things are not progressing (this used to happen quite regularly). I like carnelian (it makes me feel lighter and happier when the sun is not shining and I feel blah). I used ruby zoisite for awhile. I am not a fan of it--but I had some entertaining dreams from wearing it to bed. lol  Leopardskin jasper-- was using for awhile, but it had ongoing issues after I wore it awhile; it was hard to clear and clean, probably because petroleum was used in cutting it due to its hardness.  I use a meter (me) to find a tree that works.  The trees in my yard are all subject to cell towers and electrosmog, so I don't use them to clear stones. The tree I use in the state forest is very cleansing; I get a good enough clearing in just 12 hours. But leaving them for 3 days is very clearing and I try to do that a few times a year. I have also tried clearing them in a white water river (but not in THE white water).  That works but the tree in the forest is better and safer. They do fairly well, also, laid on a rock in the middle of the river for 8+ hours out of the sun, but I only do this if I am sitting there myself, otherwise, they'd likely come up missing.   Diane From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 1:20 AM  It did bother me the second and third time. The other thing I didn't like about it is that it didn't turn off when the car was turned off and would have to pull it out and put it back everytime i drove which is a pain. My biggest issue right now is the smart meter. If the Quantum Home can help that then I would be willing to try it, but if it just worked on the wiring in the apt. I don't think it would be worth it. This may sound bizarre, but i bought some crystals after researching which ones would be good for emf protection (I ended up with black tourmaline, Amethyst, smoky crystal, amzonite, and fluorite). I put 2 on one side of my monitor and 3 on the other. For some reason I feel a little better while I am on the computer. They all cost me $20 total and they look nice so I'm glad i bought them. I'm going to buy a second set for my bedroom. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Hi again, Steve,  You asked about soaking stones in water to clear them. They can be cleaned in alternating cold and hot water for about 2 or 3 minutes, usually. Cleaning and clearing is a bit different--you can clean them every week or 2 under running water (but not mother of pearl; it requires salt water and it may be soaked awhile in that). There are a few other stones which you should not put under water. I have not heard soaking is good for them. (I would think not--some of my stones actually swell abit when I wash them. I think soaking might make them crack.) After a couple months tho, I find my stones need more than a clean. They need cleared; which is when I take them to the state forest or the river.  Diane From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 9:24 PM  I hear they can be soaked in water > > > > Did you have a bad reaction to the Quantum Auto Clear a second time? > > > > Note that the biggest proponents here for the items from Quantum Products > > (me & Diane) both had adverse reactions to these products at first. In > > my case, I know that the adverse reactions lasted months for some of > > the stronger items (e.g. Quantum Pro). However, in the long run the > > adverse reactions went away and these proved to be an essential tool > > for tolerating high EMF environments (e.g. workplace) > > > > Basically, it is my opinion that any EMF protection device that is > > going to be helpful in the long run will provoke adverse reactions > > at first, and a tolerance must be built up. > > > > Marc > > > > On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:34:34 -0000, " torch369 " <torch369@> said: > > > Me neither, I am going to return it. I'm hesitant about trying the > > > quantum home now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Hi Evie,  Are you Diane? If so, my name is Pam and I wear crystal packets to protect weak chakras. You are so right about the clearing. I was taught to use white sage smudge to clear my stones. When they get dirty, sometimes within hours they will feel really toxic. Have you ever used white sage to smudge? It can be real accessible and fast. Here, the smoke clears the energies. I'll try amazonite for stiffness, I just carry it now because I love the feeling. I have grown extremely fond of selenite (one you must not put into water- it melts). Plus, because it is a type of salt, it cleans everything around it.  Right now, I'm experimenting with various sheilding fabrics-- I must say that I feel that I'm getting closer. But it's really important to shield/cover the entire body or all of the areas that are most effected.  Finally, there is another phenomenon currently speeding up globally.  I recently got a book called Kundalini and the Chakras. It's quite possible. I do believe the RF are affecting me in this way. The microwaves may be releasing kundalini energy involuntarily and creating physical havoc for unknowing evolvers. I'm glad that we are so open to alternative healing modalities--they work more often than not for me, I have found over time.  Have a good week! Pam aka Adiaha  From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 1:20 AM  It did bother me the second and third time. The other thing I didn't like about it is that it didn't turn off when the car was turned off and would have to pull it out and put it back everytime i drove which is a pain. My biggest issue right now is the smart meter. If the Quantum Home can help that then I would be willing to try it, but if it just worked on the wiring in the apt. I don't think it would be worth it. This may sound bizarre, but i bought some crystals after researching which ones would be good for emf protection (I ended up with black tourmaline, Amethyst, smoky crystal, amzonite, and fluorite). I put 2 on one side of my monitor and 3 on the other. For some reason I feel a little better while I am on the computer. They all cost me $20 total and they look nice so I'm glad i bought them. I'm going to buy a second set for my bedroom. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 One should be careful with cristals. They soak up the negative energy and start emitting them. Theey need be *cleaned and recharged* from time to time. A *purple plate* can be very helpful with that. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 1:20 AM It did bother me the second and third time. The other thing I didn't like about it is that it didn't turn off when the car was turned off and would have to pull it out and put it back everytime i drove which is a pain. My biggest issue right now is the smart meter. If the Quantum Home can help that then I would be willing to try it, but if it just worked on the wiring in the apt. I don't think it would be worth it. This may sound bizarre, but i bought some crystals after researching which ones would be good for emf protection (I ended up with black tourmaline, Amethyst, smoky crystal, amzonite, and fluorite). I put 2 on one side of my monitor and 3 on the other. For some reason I feel a little better while I am on the computer. They all cost me $20 total and they look nice so I'm glad i bought them. I'm going to buy a second set for my bedroom. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Hi, Pam,  Yes, I am a Diane that is here at the forum.  I always sign my posts Diane. I am also the person who went to the Women's Conference on Tilt (toxin induced lack of tolerance), where the speaker asked everyone to turn their phones off, in deference to those who were EHS, that you found quite amusing, awhile back.   I have never tried white sage smudge. I was told to try it for various other reasons by others (one being Snoshoe, here), however, I have been dxed with chronic bronchial asthma (well controlled now), and I have been hesitant to use it for that reason. Ciggie smoke gives me bronchitis really quickly. I don't know that it would bother me, but I avoid things which might as much as possible. Thanks for the info, tho!  I made my " stones " into necklaces. That way I can wear them like jewelry. I wear the amazonite and rose quartz to bed, but don't always wear them during the day. I wear Mother of pearl always during the day. (I try all of them while sleeping several times to see how they work. I like mother of pearl in a bowl of salt on my night table, tho, usually.) I purposed the amazonite for healing. I noticed within two or three weeks my back was much looser.  Thanks again for the tip! Diane  From: torch369 <torch369@...> Subject: Re: Grounding Sheets Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 1:20 AM  It did bother me the second and third time. The other thing I didn't like about it is that it didn't turn off when the car was turned off and would have to pull it out and put it back everytime i drove which is a pain. My biggest issue right now is the smart meter. If the Quantum Home can help that then I would be willing to try it, but if it just worked on the wiring in the apt. I don't think it would be worth it. This may sound bizarre, but i bought some crystals after researching which ones would be good for emf protection (I ended up with black tourmaline, Amethyst, smoky crystal, amzonite, and fluorite). I put 2 on one side of my monitor and 3 on the other. For some reason I feel a little better while I am on the computer. They all cost me $20 total and they look nice so I'm glad i bought them. I'm going to buy a second set for my bedroom. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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