Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? Maureen ____________________________________________________________ Enter to WIN... a 7 to10 Day Europe cruise for two with Holland America Cruise Line! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5a936e3535e2f14e9st04duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I don't but two of my children do. I'm new to the group not es myself but here for two of my children who are Type 1 diabetic (both diagnosed in the last 3 years and only 5 months apart). I discovered that wireless, high emfs etc. make their blood sugar go sky high and not respond to insulin. Michele Q. On 2/15/2011 9:51 AM, calmriver1@... wrote: > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on > EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems > with wireless. It seems like most people here complain about wireless, so it would seem like that 1% should be closer to 100%... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I know that more than being sensitive to electricity I'm sensitive to microwaves. So actually I have more " microwave sickness " than EMS. And I'm pretty scared for what the future will bring in this area, with the whole world going wireless. You can avoid earth pollution, noise, the big cities and lots of other things. But you just can't escape from microwaves, as they go through everything. And they are almost everywhere. You can shield your own home, but that's it. Considering that microwaves are dangerous to everyone, I wonder why this doctor thinks only so few people get sick of microwaves? Sounds not very scientific to me, but more a wild guess. Rixta > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > Maureen > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Enter to WIN... > a 7 to10 Day Europe cruise for two with Holland America Cruise Line! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5a936e3535e2f14e9st04duc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 > > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > > > Maureen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I've read about how wireless affects high blood sugar from testimonies at emrpolicy.org: http://www.emrpolicy.org/news/headlines/09_51_emrpi_reply_comment_with_exhibits.\ pdf Long ago I wondered about the epidemic of diabetes in places like nyc where there's lots of background microwave radiation from cell towers and all. Of course, people probably prefer to attribute it to diet instead. > > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > > > Maureen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Diet is a factor for Type 2 but Type 1 in an autoimmune disease (it's what they used to call juvenile diabetes) but my husband and I believe that it is emf induced. After reading an article about dirty electricity and a small mention of something called Type 3 diabetes I had a light bulb moment (pardon the pun). When my daughter was diagnosed she wasn't tested for islet cell antibodies (she was critical, near death so it wasn't something they even thought to check since the focus was saving her life) but five months later when my son started showing symptoms they did test him and found he had no antibodies. Mind you he has serious blood sugar problems and requires insulin (we have tried MANY different natural methods but ultimately they need insulin to control their blood sugar) but he doesn't have typical autoimmune diabetes as far as we can tell. His doctor believes he has a different type and likely my daughter too. Normally they would test all siblings for antibodies to see if they may be at risk (we have 10 children) but because my sons presented with no anti bodies there isn't any point. They are very electro sensitive. We had to switch parishes because something in our old parish (they run wi fi, wireless mikes, and wireless hearing aids systems) makes their blood sugar go uncontrollably high. Until I read that article I could not understand why it was happening every Sunday and then I realized. Later I spoke to a few people there about it and they told me that they have always had a problem with a high frequency " something " that interferes with sound and taping (they record mass for the shut ins). It makes sense to me now why I always got a headache if I was there too long. Also, my children got sick not long after UGI installed a smart meter (I didn't realize what that was at the time.). We moved this past Oct. and their need for insulin has dropped a good bit. We are currently renting and looking for a house that is safer for them. There are so many connections I am making since being here in this group! Our old house had ants and always stray cats! It was in a small city that is currently being wired for internet access. We now live in a small suburban are just on the edge of a more rural area but we are finding that it is difficult to find anything that isn't in some way affected. If we find a place that looks good there are high tension power lines, or a sub station nearby, those sorts of things. We're still looking but our resources are limited as well which makes it more difficult. By the way we have found that when there's a blackout my children's blood sugar plummets and then returns to normal. To me that is big proof but unfortunately we can't live like that or even if we could they would still be exposed somewhere. So I read and try to understand as much as I can but admittedly it's quite overwhelming at times . Thank you for reading if you've gotten this far. Michele Q. On 2/15/2011 11:12 PM, emraware wrote: > I've read about how wireless affects high blood sugar from testimonies at emrpolicy.org: http://www.emrpolicy.org/news/headlines/09_51_emrpi_reply_comment_with_exhibits.\ pdf > > Long ago I wondered about the epidemic of diabetes in places like nyc where there's lots of background microwave radiation from cell towers and all. Of course, people probably prefer to attribute it to diet instead. > > >>> Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? >>> >>> Maureen >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yes, their thyroid is fine. They are normal, healthy, active children but for the fact that their bodies cannot control their blood sugar. They ahve always been very healthy, were completely breastfed for the 1st year of life, had only a few immunizations and not until they were at least 2. We eat healthily and they are both a good weight (actually a tad thin but all my children are, it's genetic). There is NO Type 1 (juvenile) diabetes in our family anywhere. I am pretty much convinced that it's electro induced. Natural methods have not helped them. I try pretty much anything I can (within reason) and the only thing that really helps is keeping them as far away from dirty electricity as possible. Thank you for asking though --I do appreciate it. Michele Q. On 2/15/2011 9:27 PM, Lizzie Thode wrote: > , > Have you checked you children's thyroid? You can do this at home using the Basal Temperature Test. Take their temperature before they get out of bed in the morning. If using a dig therm, leave it in for 4 min, and ignore the beeping. Do this temp test for 5-7 days in a row, and average out the temps. So add however many temps you take all up, then divide by however many days you did the test. This will give you an average. If their temperature is UNDER 97.6, this means their thyroid is under-active. Hypo-thyroidism. YOu can google the Basal Temperture Test. It has been used for over 50 years to check the thryoid. The problem with blood test, besides drawing blood from children, is that mainstream medicine keeps changing the paremeters, so that unless the numbers show rock bottom, they " tell you there's not really a problem " . The problem with this, is that if the thyroid in anyone's body is just a TINY bit under-active, it has HUGE consequences for health, as the thryoid > controls many many functions in the body. And often, diabetes can be treated the same as hypo-thryoidism- (I'm speaking alternative/natural medicine- not mainstream), with even better results. Although don't expect any mainstream doctor or Endo to tell you this. They aren't trained this way. They are trained to give out meds. To treat, not to cure. > Lizzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hi , You sound like a great MOM! And a very wise one. And I truly sympathize with all you have been thru/and are going thru. I think you are right, in that dirty ele/high emf's caused this. I came into this problem via the back door....I spent the first 4 yrs searching for whatever caused my daughter's thyroid/adrenals to go into stress mode- before I figured out it was the cell ph/wifi/ and dirty electricity causing it. So in a nutshell, I identified the symptoms and supported those glands, but took me awhile to identify what was causing it. Because of my intense research into the area of thyroid/adrenals...I probably saved her from becoming diabetic because I was concentrating on supporting both the thyroid and adrenals. (I came very close myself to being diabetic.) Here is what I found: the adrenals regulate the blood glucose levels. The thryoid and the adrenals work together, so if one gland goes into stress mode, the other jumps in to help. As for medicine, there is natural, and there is natural. And unfortunately, there is a ton of both, and they are not always helpful. If you want to read more, go to amazon and do a search for Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield's book on the Thyroid. I'd give you the name, but the one I have, is the older version, and when he re-did his book, he changed the title. The book I have is called: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive It. *In this book, you will find valuable information on diabetes, the thyroid and the adrenals, and how they work. Five years ago, this information was not out there. There is much written today on adrenal distress. But this book and this Dr. was way ahead of his time. NOte: I'm not stating that insulin will not be needed, what I am saying is that when these 2 glands are in distress, they need the right kind of support. By using the Temp test, this gives you an idea of whether their thyroid's are working up to par. IN most cases, where the thryoid is out of balance, the adrenals are also struggling. Like you, I am a mother who is doing everything I can do, to help my daughter. And I, like you, know how challenging it is to find safe places, safe environments that dont' set my daughter off. I have friends who are diabetic, who initially poo-pooed my suggestions...I guess it just seemed too " far out for them " at first. But when they finally read that book, and applied Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfields's information, they were amazed. One woman called me on the phone in tears, saying her glucose levels were hugely improved...she couldn't believe it. She was crying so hard, she scared me! When she calmed down and I could understand what she was saying.....I almost cried with her. I know people often suggest all kinds of things...and out of desperation, we try them....and are often disappointed. But to date, I haven't met a single person who wasn't helped by properly supporting both the thryoid and the adrenals. And this includes children as well. I have learned that there is a big difference betw mainstream medicine, (conventional) and holistic/alternative/natural. Where mainsteam treats the symptoms, and usually with fluoride filled prescript meds (yes, 90% of prescript and over the counter are made with mostly fluoride) holistic/alternative targets whats causing the problem, and endeavors to give the necessary support AND eliminate what's causing the problem. In our case, as it is an environmental issue, we do the best we can do. Blessings to you and yours, Lizzie From: micheleq@... Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:17:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Do you feel wireless? Yes, their thyroid is fine. They are normal, healthy, active children but for the fact that their bodies cannot control their blood sugar. They ahve always been very healthy, were completely breastfed for the 1st year of life, had only a few immunizations and not until they were at least 2. We eat healthily and they are both a good weight (actually a tad thin but all my children are, it's genetic). There is NO Type 1 (juvenile) diabetes in our family anywhere. I am pretty much convinced that it's electro induced. Natural methods have not helped them. I try pretty much anything I can (within reason) and the only thing that really helps is keeping them as far away from dirty electricity as possible. Thank you for asking though --I do appreciate it. Michele Q. On 2/15/2011 9:27 PM, Lizzie Thode wrote: > , > Have you checked you children's thyroid? You can do this at home using the Basal Temperature Test. Take their temperature before they get out of bed in the morning. If using a dig therm, leave it in for 4 min, and ignore the beeping. Do this temp test for 5-7 days in a row, and average out the temps. So add however many temps you take all up, then divide by however many days you did the test. This will give you an average. If their temperature is UNDER 97.6, this means their thyroid is under-active. Hypo-thyroidism. YOu can google the Basal Temperture Test. It has been used for over 50 years to check the thryoid. The problem with blood test, besides drawing blood from children, is that mainstream medicine keeps changing the paremeters, so that unless the numbers show rock bottom, they " tell you there's not really a problem " . The problem with this, is that if the thyroid in anyone's body is just a TINY bit under-active, it has HUGE consequences for health, as the thryoid > controls many many functions in the body. And often, diabetes can be treated the same as hypo-thryoidism- (I'm speaking alternative/natural medicine- not mainstream), with even better results. Although don't expect any mainstream doctor or Endo to tell you this. They aren't trained this way. They are trained to give out meds. To treat, not to cure. > Lizzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hi Rixta!  Surely we fall under the 1% of those affected by wireless. I consider myself to be a part of a sub-group of EHSers who experience cell phones like new age weaponry. I can't be around any cell phone without getting sick now. I cannot feel pleasant while touching one. I could always feel mine from the beginning. I got my first one in 2007 and never got to even activate my second. It was a series of events over about an eighteen month period, that led to an understanding that this was " the new normal. "  They say that about 550 people are members of . Of that number, only a small consistent sub-group appears to communicate regularly or even multiple times a day. But these very few people (are there 20?) speaking the same language are from all over the western world. Therefore, on a global scale 20 or even 100 would probably seem virtually insignificant compared to the billions who are seemingly benefitting from the microwave revolution.  I agree with you completely Rixta. I have what I believe the Russians call microwave sickness. Although since I've comedown with this I have at times felt much more sensitive to electric and/ormagnetic fields than I ever was, I still suffer most at the hand of the ubiquitous microwaves invading constantly.  I've become acquainted with Arthur Firstenberg. He may well have been the first to be profusely mocked for his willingness to take a verbal, written and legal stand for what he believes to be his human rights. Sadly, there comes a time to stand up and take responsibility for the quality of one's own life. Silent passivity has never freed or won any rights for anyone ever. I'm glad he was there to go to and now they've established the Cellular Phone Task Force because many other EHSers are engaged in fights like smart meters or WIFI specifically.  Until we get numbers of people talking or find that there are more high profile sufferers, it may turn out to be a long suffering, lonely battle. I'm just glad that at this stage, we're here for each other. Who knows where this is all going? Things are moving so fast now.  Peace & blessings!   ..-- On Tue, 2/15/11, Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...> wrote: From: Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...> Subject: Re: Do you feel wireless? Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 2:51 PM I know that more than being sensitive to electricity I'm sensitive to microwaves. So actually I have more " microwave sickness " than EMS. And I'm pretty scared for what the future will bring in this area, with the whole world going wireless. You can avoid earth pollution, noise, the big cities and lots of other things. But you just can't escape from microwaves, as they go through everything. And they are almost everywhere. You can shield your own home, but that's it. Considering that microwaves are dangerous to everyone, I wonder why this doctor thinks only so few people get sick of microwaves? Sounds not very scientific to me, but more a wild guess. Rixta > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > Maureen > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Enter to WIN... > a 7 to10 Day Europe cruise for two with Holland America Cruise Line! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5a936e3535e2f14e9st04duc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I can feel the wireless. I have been having symptoms for about 14 years. I did't know what was the cause until I got a flyer from the electric company about emf. I have gotten worse over the years. I think every time another cell tower or antenna get put up I get a little sicker. Just about everything makes me sick these days. I have talked to many people about electrical sensitivity. Just about every one I have talked to has some of the symptoms. One nurse called it her shopping sickness. She gets sick when she goes to the shopping malls. Just about everyone at my church has something wrong with them. The church has a power station on one side and power lines on the other. Wifi in the church. A lot of people are getting breast cancer and other cancers.many having heart attacks. Headaches, and irritable bowel. We have many people with fibromyalgia also. Coincidence I think not. We must be really sensitive if only 1% of us are sensitive to wireless. I take way better care of myself than most people. Why then am I so sick? I have fibromyalgia,chronic fatigue, and Electrical sensitivity. Massage helps for about a minute, accupuncture helps for about a minute. A glass of wine at night helps for about a minute. I drink Melatonin tea at night so I can get sleepy. I still wake up all night long. I have a couple of emf jewelry I wear. It doesn't really help. I have a grounding sheet. It doesn't help. I have a safespace, It doesn't help. I have a q-link it doesn't help. I have sent back everything I bought that doesn't work. If they would refund my money. Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an Island somewhere just for us sensitive people. :-) Praying for healing > > > From: Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...> > Subject: Re: Do you feel wireless? > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 2:51 PM > > > I know that more than being sensitive to electricity I'm sensitive to > microwaves. So actually I have more " microwave sickness " than EMS. And > I'm pretty scared for what the future will bring in this area, with the > whole world going wireless. You can avoid earth pollution, noise, the > big cities and lots of other things. But you just can't escape from > microwaves, as they go through everything. And they are almost > everywhere. You can shield your own home, but that's it. > Considering that microwaves are dangerous to everyone, I wonder why this > doctor thinks only so few people get sick of microwaves? Sounds not very > scientific to me, but more a wild guess. > > Rixta > > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > > > Maureen > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Enter to WIN... > > a 7 to10 Day Europe cruise for two with Holland America Cruise Line! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5a936e3535e2f14e9st04duc > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Hi ,  I can relate to you. I really do believe avoidance is what we need to do. An island somewhere sounds good to me! Loni From: Silva <lindameetoo@...> Subject: Re: Do you feel wireless? Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 12:28 PM  I can feel the wireless. I have been having symptoms for about 14 years. I did't know what was the cause until I got a flyer from the electric company about emf. I have gotten worse over the years. I think every time another cell tower or antenna get put up I get a little sicker. Just about everything makes me sick these days. I have talked to many people about electrical sensitivity. Just about every one I have talked to has some of the symptoms. One nurse called it her shopping sickness. She gets sick when she goes to the shopping malls. Just about everyone at my church has something wrong with them. The church has a power station on one side and power lines on the other. Wifi in the church. A lot of people are getting breast cancer and other cancers.many having heart attacks. Headaches, and irritable bowel. We have many people with fibromyalgia also. Coincidence I think not. We must be really sensitive if only 1% of us are sensitive to wireless. I take way better care of myself than most people. Why then am I so sick? I have fibromyalgia,chronic fatigue, and Electrical sensitivity. Massage helps for about a minute, accupuncture helps for about a minute. A glass of wine at night helps for about a minute. I drink Melatonin tea at night so I can get sleepy. I still wake up all night long. I have a couple of emf jewelry I wear. It doesn't really help. I have a grounding sheet. It doesn't help. I have a safespace, It doesn't help. I have a q-link it doesn't help. I have sent back everything I bought that doesn't work. If they would refund my money. Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an Island somewhere just for us sensitive people. :-) Praying for healing > > > From: Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...> > Subject: Re: Do you feel wireless? > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 2:51 PM > > > I know that more than being sensitive to electricity I'm sensitive to > microwaves. So actually I have more " microwave sickness " than EMS. And > I'm pretty scared for what the future will bring in this area, with the > whole world going wireless. You can avoid earth pollution, noise, the > big cities and lots of other things. But you just can't escape from > microwaves, as they go through everything. And they are almost > everywhere. You can shield your own home, but that's it. > Considering that microwaves are dangerous to everyone, I wonder why this > doctor thinks only so few people get sick of microwaves? Sounds not very > scientific to me, but more a wild guess. > > Rixta > > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > > > Maureen > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Enter to WIN... > > a 7 to10 Day Europe cruise for two with Holland America Cruise Line! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5a936e3535e2f14e9st04duc > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I agree1 > > > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on > > EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems > > with wireless. > > It seems like most people here complain about wireless, so it > would seem like that 1% should be closer to 100%... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hi, Maureen, I also have problems with wireless. Diane > From: calmriver1@... <calmriver1@...> > Subject: Re: Do you feel wireless? > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 9:51 AM > Last week I went to a seminar put on > by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that > only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with > wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > Maureen > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Enter to WIN... > a 7 to10 Day Europe cruise for two with Holland America > Cruise Line! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5a936e3535e2f14e9st04duc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hi ,  I am finding that too--I was type 2 diabetic and tried to keep it under control with *no* added sugar and watching natural sugar intake. I found with moving into my remediated house, my blood sugar is down! I also have been taking coconut oil (about a tablespoon/ day before breakfast) and that seemed to help it as well, previous to moving.  The coconut oil breaks down to ketones in the brain, if I understand correctly. The brain can use the ketones as sugars. Coconut oil will cause stomach upset from killing aberrant gut flora (my original reason for using it), so go very slowly on this if you should try using it for your children. I would do some homework on the ketone aspect before giving it to your children for type 1 diabetes; this might not work the same for them.  Coconut oil can be taken before each meal, but I find breakfast (breaking the fasting since the previous day) was always hardest on me, so I was experimenting with taking it just before breakfast. I started with a forth teaspoon for first week, then added a forth teaspoon each week. At one teaspoon, I would go to using for more than one meal rather than going onto 1 tablespoon. Children likely shouldn't take as much.  And also monitor them very closely at first if you should ever try this. The body stores sugars in our fat, but the brain cannot access that when it needs fed. So it starts sending out signals that it needs fed--which makes eating and circulating insulin more and more of a problem. Feeding only the brain with butter, palm, or coconut oil helps break this cycle. But again, research this thoroughly before trying it with your kids.  Hope your children find some permanent help.   Bless you and your children, Diane > Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF. He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you? > > Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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