Re: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

January 4, 2011

> I am going to put down a mattress topper made of memory foam hoping

> that puts a layer between the metal springs and me. I also put a

> folding wood board between my box spring and mattress. I am think of

> buying a wood frame with a futon on it as a last resort.

I found that I slept the best with a wood bed frame and a latex

mattress. Very little metal in all that (just a few screws here

and there).

Unfortunately, my wife got back problems with the latex mattress,

so we're using the innerspring mattress again, and I've got a 3 "

latex topper on my side of the bed. I think the topper helps

a bit, but the all-latex mattress solution was definitely better.

Marc

January 4, 2011

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Greetings to all forum members and a happy New

Year 2011

Â Â Â Â Here is my 2 cents contribution for leisure reading:

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http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12342 & title=radiation-from-computer

With regards

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From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 3:46 PM

Â

Yes, I have had an increased heart rate ever since the meters were

installed, haven't had a good nights sleep since. I also get that rumbling

through my bed, it drives me nuts. I am going to put down a mattress topper made

of memory foam hoping that puts a layer between the metal springs and me. I also

put a folding wood board between my box spring and mattress.

I am think of buying a wood frame with a futon on it as a last resort.

Steve

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

January 4, 2011

Yes SLEEP pretty dam important just to recharge the body, since August I

have had trouble sleeping upstairs, I get an increase in my raging tinitus

and a general feeling of uneasyness. I have just come back from holiday and

spent the nights in a basement here I could feel a sense of relaxation in

my body, my limbs felt light and unstressed, yes I agree that lack of sleep

will hieghten ES, but basically that's a no brainer as your body becomes

weeker without proper sleep and thus less able to defend itself sensibly. I

also have noticed that I feel over energised when I am close to my wife in

bed, and on many occasions will have to move away from her, this is likely

due to the fact that she is a nurse and spends many hours in a ward full of

wifi, flourescent lights, electronics and of course many very ill people, I

think her bodies electrical system is radiating out bad RF due to the

stress the latter, being so close in a bed for long hours it seems not a great

leap of faith to belive this is feasible ie that an ES person can be that

sensitive, given the right circumstances. I write this as last night was one

of those nights where I just lay in bed with my eyes close but my brain

wide open ! sleep was just not happening, looks like a night on the tiles

again.

ps I understand that in the UK telecom providers have been granted

permission to double the power of 3G masts since September, I wonder if this has

affected my sleep on the upper floor of my house its about the same height as

many local lamppost antenna ?

puk

In a message dated 05/01/2011 05:44:00 GMT Standard Time,

lindameetoo@... writes:

I drink Melatonin tea. It helps me sleep, some. I buy it online. at

puritan's pride. Sometimes I use 2 bags to make the tea. It doesn't always

help.

I have had sleeping problems for 14 years. This helps the most. Melatonin

pills don't help. I have a grounding sheet. It helps some. Q link has been

helping me since the smart meter. Not much, but a little. I just started

using vervain for my nerves. I will give it a little while to see if it helps.

Try the tea for a few nights. I have only seen it online. It has a few

herbs in it that help relax you and make you tired. I hope It will help you.

Even a regular 2 hours of sleep will help,f you can go back to sleep easily,

the tea helpes me with that problem sometimes.I went days without any

sleep. If I did fall asleep I dreamed I was awake.I think the years of little

sleep was what has made me so sensitive to the EMF. I can't hardly go

anywhere without feeling worse. Home is awful too. I sure hope someone buys my

house so on.

Be blessed

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has

experienced

> > > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat

when

> > > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> > > >

> > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure

and

> > > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare

conductor that

> > > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9

Vdc and

> > > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a

problem.

> > > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100.

and my

> > > > Heart was beating very irregular.

> > > >

> > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are

just

> > > > beginning to return to normal levesl

> > > >

> > > > As Always:

> > > >

> > > YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I

noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest

with hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But

lying in bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel

a very low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through

the " air " ... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working

underground. I go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms,

but it's strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs.

> > >

> > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I

wake up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it

seems to drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's

sky high again.

> > >

> > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an

anatomical problem, but an EMF effect.

> > >

> > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We

have to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather

lots of data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more

conspiracy theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura

one

of these days!

> > >

> > > Marji - San Diego

> > >

> >

>

January 4, 2011

Hi ,

I can identify with you and what you are going thru as I lived 30 years near a

power tower that was only 30 yards away. When I walked underneath the power

lines I could hear the metal portion of my umbrella humming as you mentioned.

Living there I believe raised my blood pressure as prior to that I was passing

out on a regular basis from very low blood pressure. After living there for

awhile that stopped. It wasn't until recently I realized what happened because

after I moved away from the power tower I had a near-fainting spell from low

blood pressure for the first time in many years. Not to say living near the

tower was good as it caused me to be very ill as you described you feel.

How long have you lived where you are?

I moved 14 months ago and could give you some idea of how it might go it you are

anything like me. Let me know.

Cheryl

From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 5:36 PM

Â

I also have pounding heart and higher than normal blood pressure. I am in

a very toxic house. Lots of cell towers and antennas. Transformer on the pole

and power lines across my back yard. I also could hear my bed springs humming. I

had to buy a foam mattress.I still hear weird noises at night when everything is

quiet.I think it's gremlins. Ha Ha. I'm trying to sell my house. Nothing yet.

When it's sold I moving to the edge of nowhere. It's called Pinon Hills, Ca.

only 4 cell towers an 7 antennas. Now I have 71 Cell towers and 218 antennas. I

am getting excited about moving. I sure hope that I get better when I move. I

hope It isn't to late. I have so many symptoms right now, it is awful. Some days

I don't want to be living anymore. I really need to get out of here. Happy new

year. I am praying that this year we will all find relief. Positively!!!

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

January 5, 2011

> I'm allergic to latex and the smell would drive me nuts, which is one

> reason i can't use a tempurpedic-surprised myou didnt try that as well.

My wife and I tried the tempurpedic matresses at the store, and concluded

that we wouldn't like it.

There was no smell that I noticed with either the latex mattress or

latex topper I bought, so I must not be sensitive to that.

Marc

January 5, 2011

Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

Â

I hope it works for you too,Â , and you are able to sell your house very

soon!Â I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am exposed

too long to particular emfs.Â I have bp plummeting, but I suspect that is what

happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your andrenals

finallyÂ fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp.Â When I was

younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then, which is why I

think the former might sometimes be the case.]Â

Â

I have beenÂ pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP and

pantethine.Â [i have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but it

might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily basis

but not necessarily when bp is high.]Â Also I have taken manganese and taurine

which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer periods.Â [i

don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do more research

on it yourself and determineÂ that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental

to your health.Â Manganese itself can be a toxic metal.Â Taurine

supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of " Healing

isÂ Voltage " , fame.]Â I came to using all 4 of these on myÂ own, so I cannot

point you to a doctor for this.Â My nutritionist had previously recommended cal

AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.Â I found

the manganese and taurine

searching for ways to closeÂ leaking calcium channels.Â [i have long suspected

damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathwaysÂ are at least partly to blame

for my reactions to emfs.Â Â I appear to have blood brain barrierÂ tight

junction damage.Â Also I appear to have calcium ion-channelÂ problems.Â Â When

theÂ tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak fromÂ that

cellÂ and it takes manganese toÂ close the tight junction again.]Â I usually

take the cal andÂ pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for

adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up toÂ very high amounts for

over a year + timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.Â Not everybody who

tries thisÂ (cal AEP and pantethine)Â finds it helpful, which leads me to think

one needs precursor supplementation, as wellÂ (which I also did), which are very

person specific.Â Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I also took/

take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.Â In those of

us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that

lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.Â So this is a good place

toÂ start working onÂ to heal.Â Supplementation can be effective.Â Homeopathy

can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very

goodÂ homeopathist in your area.Â It is also likely you need to work on your

liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked.Â

Just suggestions to look into.Â

Â

Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

Diane

From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 8:36 PM

Â

I also have pounding heart and higher than normal blood pressure. I am in a very

toxic house. Lots of cell towers and antennas. Transformer on the pole and power

lines across my back yard. I also could hear my bed springs humming. I had to

buy a foam mattress.I still hear weird noises at night when everything is

quiet.I think it's gremlins. Ha Ha. I'm trying to sell my house. Nothing yet.

When it's sold I moving to the edge of nowhere. It's called Pinon Hills, Ca.

only 4 cell towers an 7 antennas. Now I have 71 Cell towers and 218 antennas. I

am getting excited about moving. I sure hope that I get better when I move. I

hope It isn't to late. I have so many symptoms right now, it is awful. Some days

I don't want to be living anymore. I really need to get out of here. Happy new

year. I am praying that this year we will all find relief. Positively!!!

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a

very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

January 5, 2011

Yes, taping on insides of wrists and ankles does help, not only heart rate, but

also will help lymph gland swelling to go down, and other lymph/ adrenal

symptoms you might have.Â (Tap about an inch or 2 above your ankles.)Â Thanks,

Sno!

Â

EncouragingÂ others to try it,

Diane

From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 11:33 PM

Â

Yes, some of them affect my heart, make it pound hard and fast. -

If you tap the inside of your wrists together at a slower pace

about 25-30 times it will cause it to slow down again. You may have

to do it twice if it's bad.

I have low b.p. almost always, so that hasn't been a problem for me.

I also feel those workings under the earth, mainly when I'm in bed, I think

because all is quiet and still. I notice it sitting in my chair

at the pc sometimes too, but I live along a fault line.

I believe it is tremors, although sometimes it has felt more like tunneling

going on underground, which is quite possible also, and you certainly could be

hearing it. - Think Taos hum.

Look up earth tunneling machines if there's doubt we have many underground

tunnels and facilities. There's the old mechanical ones and nuclear ones.

I don't have any springs or metal in my matress, so that may not be causing what

you are feeling or hearing in this case.

~Snoshoe

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a

very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

January 5, 2011

That shouldÂ have been tapping, but hope you all could read around the

dysfunctional spelling.Â lol

From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 11:33 PM

Â

Yes, some of them affect my heart, make it pound hard and fast. -

If you tap the inside of your wrists together at a slower pace

about 25-30 times it will cause it to slow down again. You may have

to do it twice if it's bad.

I have low b.p. almost always, so that hasn't been a problem for me.

I also feel those workings under the earth, mainly when I'm in bed, I think

because all is quiet and still. I notice it sitting in my chair

at the pc sometimes too, but I live along a fault line.

I believe it is tremors, although sometimes it has felt more like tunneling

going on underground, which is quite possible also, and you certainly could be

hearing it. - Think Taos hum.

Look up earth tunneling machines if there's doubt we have many underground

tunnels and facilities. There's the old mechanical ones and nuclear ones.

I don't have any springs or metal in my matress, so that may not be causing what

you are feeling or hearing in this case.

~Snoshoe

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel a

very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

January 5, 2011

> You're lucky, I have MCS and everything I own and use has to be fragrance

> free

Well, I could say the same thing for myself. It's possible that YOU

would notice NO odor from these particular latex mattresses as well

(they are probably not the run-of-the-mill latex, as they were both

sold as " organic " . Also, you don't actually make contact

with the latex, as you can put as many layers of cotton, wool, etc.

between you and the latex as you like (sheets, mattress pads, etc.)

My favorite brand of the two mattresses is " Natural Sense " :

http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html

Marc

January 5, 2011

Hope it works for you, Steve.Â Remember it might make things worse for awhile

when you start it.Â Especially if you are dealing with candida.Â Cal AEP works

with candida like a " trojan horse " .Â Candida likes to highjack calcium in your

body, so it gobbles up the cal AEP.Â Then once the cal is in the candida

bio-structure, the AEP releases and kills the candida colony.Â So if you are

candida bait, know you will react badly to cal AEP with die-off.Â It will make

almost everything worse at first.Â This is why you have to VERY SLOWLY work

your way up on it.Â I can not stress this enough (tho I have over the years I

have been here).Â Â Last year--around ?spring or early summer? I think, I

sent an indepth email about how toÂ start Cal AEP.Â If anyone cannot find it, I

can probably resend privately, if anyone asks.

Good luck,

Diane

From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 1:55 PM

Â

Interesting info, thanks. I happen to have calcium aep and pantethine in my

cabinet and will try this. I will also make sure I take the taurine every day. I

already take CoQ10

Steve

>

> Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> Ã‚Â

> I hope it works for you too,Ã‚Â , and you are able to sell your house

very soon!Ã‚Â I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am

exposed too long to particular emfs.Ã‚Â I have bp plummeting, but I suspect

that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your

andrenals finallyÃ‚Â fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high

bp.Ã‚Â When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back

then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.]Ã‚Â

> Ã‚Â

> I have beenÃ‚Â pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP

and pantethine.Ã‚Â [i have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp;

but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a

daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]Ã‚Â Also I have taken

manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for

longer periods.Ã‚Â [i don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless

you can do more research on it yourself and determineÃ‚Â that manganese and

taurine will not be detrimental to your health.Ã‚Â Manganese itself can be a

toxic metal.Ã‚Â Taurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr.

Tennent, of " Healing isÃ‚Â Voltage " , fame.]Ã‚Â I came to using all 4 of these

on myÃ‚Â own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this.Ã‚Â My nutritionist

had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and

lymphatic overload.Ã‚Â I found

the manganese and taurine

> searching for ways to closeÃ‚Â leaking calcium channels.Ã‚Â [i have long

suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathwaysÃ‚Â are at least

partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.Ã‚Â Ã‚Â I appear to have blood brain

barrierÃ‚Â tight junction damage.Ã‚Â Also I appear to have calcium

ion-channelÃ‚Â problems.Ã‚Â Ã‚Â When theÃ‚Â tight junctions do not properly

close, the calcium can leak fromÃ‚Â that cellÃ‚Â and it takes manganese

toÃ‚Â close the tight junction again.]Ã‚Â I usually take the cal

andÃ‚Â pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and

lymphatic overload, I worked my way up toÃ‚Â very high amounts for over a year +

timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.Ã‚Â Not everybody who tries

thisÃ‚Â (cal AEP and pantethine)Ã‚Â finds it helpful, which leads me to think

one needs precursor supplementation, as wellÃ‚Â (which I also did), which are

very person specific.Ã‚Â Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I

also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.Ã‚Â In those

of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that

lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.Ã‚Â So this is a good

place toÃ‚Â start working onÃ‚Â to heal.Ã‚Â Supplementation can be

effective.Ã‚Â Homeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these

organs if you can find a very goodÃ‚Â homeopathist in your area.Ã‚Â It is also

likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your

lymphatic system is overworked.Ã‚Â Just suggestions to look into.Ã‚Â

> Ã‚Â

> Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> Diane

>

January 6, 2011

Hi ,

Since you already feel better when you are away from the cell towers then I

don't think it is too late for you to recover. What I have found is the E.S.

itself doesn't seem to go away when I am exposed to it less, but I simply feel

better when not exposed to it.

I was wondering when you first got sick with the E.S. I got sick after 11 years

of living near the power tower but at that time very little was known about all

this so it took me until about 10 years ago to suspect it was due to that. I

have read that 10 years seems to be the average amount of time that it takes to

become ill when exposed as such.

Are the homes far apart where you are moving to? Since I moved I am not close to

any cell towers or power lines but I am still ill and feel worse at home than

anywhere else. I highly suspect that this is due to the neighbors homes being so

close by and what they may be using there. Wifi? Plasma screen T.V.'s?Â We are

completely at the mercy of our neighbors unfortunately. So I would recommend if

possible to move where your home is as far away from the neighbors as possible.

I know I will have to move again as this new home just isn't working and I am so

sick about this. I bought this home and still haven't been able to sell my

previous house. What a mess! I would hate to see the same thing happen to you.

If you know how to test the house first that would be great. But if neighbors

are close things can change so fast there. It is clearly beyond our control.

I will appreciate any feedback on this and I wish you the best of luck with your

move. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes.

Cheryl

From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 9:48 PM

Â

I have lived here for about 14 years. I have gotten worse over the years. I do

start to feel better when I am away from the electricity and cell towers.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

>

> > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

>

> > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

>

> > >

>

> > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

>

> > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

>

> > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

>

> > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

>

> > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

>

> > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

>

> > > Heart was beating very irregular.

>

> > >

>

> > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

>

> > > beginning to return to normal levesl

>

> > >

>

> > > As Always:

>

> > >

>

> > YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed

a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> >

>

> > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> >

>

> > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> >

>

> > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have

to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of

data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy

theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of

these days!

>

> >

>

> > Marji - San Diego

>

> >

>

January 6, 2011

Hi again, Steve, Kathy, and Others,

Â

A person here (?Kathy, I think), made mention of someone stating calcium was not

good forÂ people with ESÂ to take.Â I disagree.Â If you need calcium,

youÂ need calcium.Â When your body is deficient of anything, it is detrimental

to you to remain deficient.Â Â Your body runsÂ on nutrients!Â Â That said, you

don't want to over take any nutrients.Â However, if I would have ever taken too

much of any nutrient, it would have been calcium.Â I am still here, folks!Â I

got better ES-wise still taking my calcium.Â That said, after I have gotten

better, IÂ have not continued taking it.Â I now take it only when needed

(whenÂ ES symptoms develop).Â And I am not saying everyone here is deficient of

calcium.Â Only those who have particular symptoms are likely deficient.Â

Â

Go very slowly with the cal/ pantethine if you are in fibro pain, Steve.Â When

I first started it, I was also on supplements to support my liver and

kidneys.....Â I also needed molybdenum, B vits...Â I had had bad fibro for

decades, but was able to overcome that when I went totally gluten-free.Â [i

mean 100% gf--no lotions, no glutensÂ in my house, no going out to

restaurants.....Â I found glutens were at the root of all my health

problems--even auto-immune ones.]Â I think you said previously you are gf; how

long completely gf?Â It took me about a year before I was better fibro-wise,

after quitting glutens.Â I eventually found that I reacted very badly to trace

glutens in the atmosphere.Â I corresponded with another woman with the same

story--she had to remove her forced-air heating ducts (they were circulating

gluten dust) before she could fully recover.Â I imagine it took about a year

for all the gluten dust to get cleaned up in my house, and

we didn't have a ducted furnace, so that may have been why it took so long

forÂ my fibro to respond.Â Just saying, to those whose fibro isn't better after

going gf, know it doesn't happen over night.

Â

My liver was also really bad when I went gf (I still have liver scarring from

cirrhosis, caused by gluten damage).Â I worked, withÂ the nutritionist's

help,Â first on that, before working on the chronic fatigue with the Cal AEP.Â

(That was what I first took cal AEP for.)Â When I started the cal/pantethine I

got bad fibro for a month (This was after I had initially been symptom free from

fibro for 3 years).Â It did finally pass, but you will not likely feel better

fibro-wise for awhile.Â You need to know this.Â I personally believeÂ I need

to go with supplements even when they makeÂ me temporarily ill.Â But that said,

you want to be prepared and pack as little cal AEP and pantethine into empty

capsules as possible.Â If you have a bad reaction one day, skip theÂ next day's

dose.Â Give your body a chance to catch up.Â

Â

Good luck; I hope it isn't as bad asÂ I made it sound for you,Â

Diane

From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:19 PM

Â

Well, I will start with one of each and see what happens. Right now I'm in mega

fibro pain anyway

> >

> > Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > I hope it works for you too,Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â , and you are able to sell your

house very soon!Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms

when I am exposed too long to particular emfs.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I have bp plummeting,

but I suspect that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high

bp and your andrenals finallyÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and

then too high bp.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â When I was younger I had high bp at times and we

didn't know why back then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be

the case.]Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > I have beenÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium

AEP and pantethine.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â [i have no idea what this combo would do for too

high bp; but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken

on a daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Also I have

taken manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without

reacting, for longer periods.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â [i don't necessarily recommend this

supplementation unless you can do more research on it yourself and

determineÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental to your

health.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Manganese itself can be a toxic metal.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Taurine

supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of " Healing

isÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Voltage " , fame.]Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I came to using all 4 of these on

myÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â My

nutritionist had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for

adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I found

> the manganese and taurine

> > searching for ways to closeÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â leaking calcium channels.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â [i

have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathwaysÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â are

at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I appear to

have blood brain barrierÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â tight junction damage.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Also I appear

to have calcium ion-channelÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â problems.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â When

theÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak

fromÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â that cellÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â and it takes manganese toÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â close the tight

junction again.]Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I usually take the cal andÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â pantethine now only

when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked

my way up toÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the

care of a nutritionist.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Not everybody who tries thisÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â (cal AEP

and pantethine)Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs

precursor supplementation, as

wellÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â (which I also did), which are very person specific.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I

> also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â In

those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear

that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â So this is

a good place toÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â start working onÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â to heal.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

Supplementation can be effective.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Homeopathy can also be effective in

in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very goodÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â homeopathist

in your area.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it

is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Just

suggestions to look into.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> > Diane

> >

>

January 6, 2011

hi ,

Â

Hope this supplementation works for you.Â Â Btw, it is pantethineÂ (a form of

B5) which is necessary to take with calcium AEP, not taurine.Â Taurine might

also help you, tho, especially if you haveÂ more than the usual need for

calcium.Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

Wish you the best,

Diane

From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 1:01 AM

Â

Thanks for the information. I will try the taurine and calcium. I have to go

slow. I just started vervain. It's for the nerves. It has calmed them down a

little. It's been so cold lately it might be the cold that has my nerves frozen,

not the herb vervain that has helped. I will have to give it a little more time

and see what happens.

> >

> > Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> > Ã‚Â

> > I hope it works for you too,Ã‚Â , and you are able to sell your house

very soon!Ã‚Â I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am

exposed too long to particular emfs.Ã‚Â I have bp plummeting, but I suspect

that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your

andrenals finallyÃ‚Â fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high

bp.Ã‚Â When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back

then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.]Ã‚Â

> > Ã‚Â

> > I have beenÃ‚Â pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP