Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

>

> I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> Heart was beating very irregular.

>

> It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> beginning to return to normal levesl

>

> As Always:

>

YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up it

can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the phenomenon

and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical problem, but

an EMF effect.

I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

Marji - San Diego

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have had an increased heart rate ever since the meters were installed,

haven't had a good nights sleep since. I also get that rumbling through my bed,

it drives me nuts. I am going to put down a mattress topper made of memory foam

hoping that puts a layer between the metal springs and me. I also put a folding

wood board between my box spring and mattress.

I am think of buying a wood frame with a futon on it as a last resort.

Steve

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

[Guest guest]

I also have pounding heart and higher than normal blood pressure. I am in a very

toxic house. Lots of cell towers and antennas. Transformer on the pole and power

lines across my back yard. I also could hear my bed springs humming. I had to

buy a foam mattress.I still hear weird noises at night when everything is

quiet.I think it's gremlins. Ha Ha. I'm trying to sell my house. Nothing yet.

When it's sold I moving to the edge of nowhere. It's called Pinon Hills, Ca.

only 4 cell towers an 7 antennas. Now I have 71 Cell towers and 218 antennas. I

am getting excited about moving. I sure hope that I get better when I move. I

hope It isn't to late. I have so many symptoms right now, it is awful. Some days

I don't want to be living anymore. I really need to get out of here. Happy new

year. I am praying that this year we will all find relief. Positively!!!

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

[Guest guest]

I'm allergic to latex and the smell would drive me nuts, which is one reason i

can't use a tempurpedic-surprised myou didnt try that as well.

I'm seriously considering a thick futon on a wood frame, but not sure where to

find a good one

Steve

>

> > I am going to put down a mattress topper made of memory foam hoping

> > that puts a layer between the metal springs and me. I also put a

> > folding wood board between my box spring and mattress. I am think of

> > buying a wood frame with a futon on it as a last resort.

>

> I found that I slept the best with a wood bed frame and a latex

> mattress. Very little metal in all that (just a few screws here

> and there).

>

> Unfortunately, my wife got back problems with the latex mattress,

> so we're using the innerspring mattress again, and I've got a 3 "

> latex topper on my side of the bed. I think the topper helps

> a bit, but the all-latex mattress solution was definitely better.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Hope it works out for you, for me moving isn't possible right now. I really dont

get much sleep. some nights I'll take a benadryl to get a few hours

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> > >

> > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > > Heart was beating very irregular.

> > >

> > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > > beginning to return to normal levesl

> > >

> > > As Always:

> > >

> > YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed

a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

> >

> > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

> >

> > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

> >

> > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have

to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of

data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy

theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of

these days!

> >

> > Marji - San Diego

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, some of them affect my heart, make it pound hard and fast. -

If you tap the inside of your wrists together at a slower pace

about 25-30 times it will cause it to slow down again. You may have

to do it twice if it's bad.

I have low b.p. almost always, so that hasn't been a problem for me.

I also feel those workings under the earth, mainly when I'm in bed, I think

because all is quiet and still. I notice it sitting in my chair

at the pc sometimes too, but I live along a fault line.

I believe it is tremors, although sometimes it has felt more like tunneling

going on underground, which is quite possible also, and you certainly could be

hearing it. - Think Taos hum.

Look up earth tunneling machines if there's doubt we have many underground

tunnels and facilities. There's the old mechanical ones and nuclear ones.

I don't have any springs or metal in my matress, so that may not be causing what

you are feeling or hearing in this case.

~Snoshoe

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> >

> > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > Heart was beating very irregular.

> >

> > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > beginning to return to normal levesl

> >

> > As Always:

> >

> YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed a

strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

>

> My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake up

it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

>

> PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

>

> I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have to

get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of data

so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy theorists.

Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of these days!

>

> Marji - San Diego

>

[Guest guest]

I drink Melatonin tea. It helps me sleep, some. I buy it online. at puritan's

pride. Sometimes I use 2 bags to make the tea. It doesn't always help. I have

had sleeping problems for 14 years. This helps the most. Melatonin pills don't

help. I have a grounding sheet. It helps some. Q link has been helping me since

the smart meter. Not much, but a little. I just started using vervain for my

nerves. I will give it a little while to see if it helps. Try the tea for a few

nights. I have only seen it online. It has a few herbs in it that help relax you

and make you tired. I hope It will help you. Even a regular 2 hours of sleep

will help,f you can go back to sleep easily, the tea helpes me with that problem

sometimes.I went days without any sleep. If I did fall asleep I dreamed I was

awake.I think the years of little sleep was what has made me so sensitive to the

EMF. I can't hardly go anywhere without feeling worse. Home is awful too. I sure

hope someone buys my house soon.

Be blessed

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

> > > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

> > > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

> > > >

> > > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

> > > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

> > > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

> > > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

> > > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

> > > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

> > > > Heart was beating very irregular.

> > > >

> > > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

> > > > beginning to return to normal levesl

> > > >

> > > > As Always:

> > > >

> > > YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I

noticed a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with

hand tied coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in

bed I feel a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very

low rumbling sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the

" air " ... it seems to come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I

go outside and can't hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's

strongest in bed, probably amplified by the springs.

> > >

> > > My blood pressure has been a nice low 115/60 for years... now when I wake

up it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to

drop until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high

again.

> > >

> > > PLEASE, ANYBODY ELSE WITH THIS EXPERIENCE TELL US! Both to track the

phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

> > >

> > > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have

to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of

data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy

theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of

these days!

> > >

> > > Marji - San Diego

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, even a few hours of sleep helps. The lack of sleep definitely makes me more

sensitive not only to emf but to noises as well. i have very good hearing to

begin with but it gets ultra sensitive when I dont get sleep. It drives me nuts.

>

> I drink Melatonin tea. It helps me sleep, some. I buy it online. at puritan's

pride. Sometimes I use 2 bags to make the tea. It doesn't always help. I have

had sleeping problems for 14 years. This helps the most. Melatonin pills don't

help. I have a grounding sheet. It helps some. Q link has been helping me since

the smart meter. Not much, but a little. I just started using vervain for my

nerves. I will give it a little while to see if it helps. Try the tea for a few

nights. I have only seen it online. It has a few herbs in it that help relax you

and make you tired. I hope It will help you. Even a regular 2 hours of sleep

will help,f you can go back to sleep easily, the tea helpes me with that problem

sometimes.I went days without any sleep. If I did fall asleep I dreamed I was

awake.I think the years of little sleep was what has made me so sensitive to the

EMF. I can't hardly go anywhere without feeling worse. Home is awful too. I sure

hope someone buys my house soon.

> Be blessed

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're lucky, I have MCS and everything I own and use has to be fragrance free

Steve

>

> > I'm allergic to latex and the smell would drive me nuts, which is one

> > reason i can't use a tempurpedic-surprised myou didnt try that as well.

>

> My wife and I tried the tempurpedic matresses at the store, and concluded

> that we wouldn't like it.

>

> There was no smell that I noticed with either the latex mattress or

> latex topper I bought, so I must not be sensitive to that.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting info, thanks. I happen to have calcium aep and pantethine in my

cabinet and will try this. I will also make sure I take the taurine every day. I

already take CoQ10

Steve

>

> Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

>  

> I hope it works for you too, , and you are able to sell your house very

soon!  I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am exposed

too long to particular emfs.  I have bp plummeting, but I suspect that is what

happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your andrenals

finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp.  When I was

younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then, which is why I

think the former might sometimes be the case.] 

>  

> I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP and

pantethine.  [i have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but it

might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily basis

but not necessarily when bp is high.]  Also I have taken manganese and taurine

which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer periods.  [i

don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do more research

on it yourself and determine that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental

to your health.  Manganese itself can be a toxic metal.  Taurine

supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of " Healing

is Voltage " , fame.]  I came to using all 4 of these on my own, so I cannot

point you to a doctor for this.  My nutritionist had previously recommended cal

AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.  I found

the manganese and taurine

> searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [i have long

suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly

to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain

barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear to have calcium

ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the

calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight

junction again.]  I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp

tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up

to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a

nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it

helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as

well (which I also did), which are very person specific.  Calcium, pantethine,

and co Q 10 (which I also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.  In those of

us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that

lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.  So this is a good place

to start working on to heal.  Supplementation can be effective.  Homeopathy

can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very

good homeopathist in your area.  It is also likely you need to work on your

liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked. 

Just suggestions to look into. 

>  

> Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

Have you seen the info. Magda Havas posted about the study she did, exposing ES

folks to cordless phone radiation? Some peoples' heart rate doubles when

exposed, goes back to normal when exposure ends.

See Magdahavas.com. Her other site is either Magdahavas.org or .net.

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

I will look into it, thanks

>

> > You're lucky, I have MCS and everything I own and use has to be fragrance

> > free

>

> Well, I could say the same thing for myself. It's possible that YOU

> would notice NO odor from these particular latex mattresses as well

> (they are probably not the run-of-the-mill latex, as they were both

> sold as " organic " . Also, you don't actually make contact

> with the latex, as you can put as many layers of cotton, wool, etc.

> between you and the latex as you like (sheets, mattress pads, etc.)

>

> My favorite brand of the two mattresses is " Natural Sense " :

>

> http://www.foamorder.com/organic-mattress.html

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I will start with one of each and see what happens. Right now I'm in mega

fibro pain anyway

> >

> > Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> >  

> > I hope it works for you too, , and you are able to sell your house

very soon!  I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am

exposed too long to particular emfs.  I have bp plummeting, but I suspect

that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your

andrenals finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high

bp.  When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back

then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.] 

> >  

> > I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP

and pantethine.  [i have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp;

but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a

daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]  Also I have taken

manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for

longer periods.  [i don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless

you can do more research on it yourself and determine that manganese and

taurine will not be detrimental to your health.  Manganese itself can be a

toxic metal.  Taurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr.

Tennent, of " Healing is Voltage " , fame.]  I came to using all 4 of these

on my own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this.  My nutritionist

had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and

lymphatic overload.  I found

> the manganese and taurine

> > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [i have long

suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least

partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain

barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear to have calcium

ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly

close, the calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese

to close the tight junction again.]  I usually take the cal

and pantethine now only when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and

lymphatic overload, I worked my way up to very high amounts for over a year +

timeframe under the care of a nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries

this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think

one needs precursor supplementation, as well (which I also did), which are

very person specific.  Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I

> also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.  In those

of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that

lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.  So this is a good

place to start working on to heal.  Supplementation can be

effective.  Homeopathy can also be effective in in helping to heal these

organs if you can find a very good homeopathist in your area.  It is also

likely you need to work on your liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your

lymphatic system is overworked.  Just suggestions to look into. 

> >  

> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> > Diane

> >

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[Guest guest]

I have lived here for about 14 years. I have gotten worse over the years. I do

start to feel better when I am away from the electricity and cell towers.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Hi Everyone: I was wondering if any member of the group has experienced

>

> > > an increase or decrease in their Blood Pressure and or Heart Beat when

>

> > > they have become exposed to an EMF Energy source.

>

> > >

>

> > > I just resently experienced a major change in my Blood Pressure and

>

> > > Heart Beat when I was exposed for several hours to a bare conductor that

>

> > > was located about 7 ft. from me. The conductor was charged to 9 Vdc and

>

> > > carried a negative - charge. There was no current flowing in the

>

> > > conductor. Serveral hours after the exposure I realized I had a problem.

>

> > > My blood pressure had risen from my nornal of 140/80 to 195/100. and my

>

> > > Heart was beating very irregular.

>

> > >

>

> > > It is now 4 days later and my blood pressure and heart rate are just

>

> > > beginning to return to normal levesl

>

> > >

>

> > > As Always:

>

> > >

>

> > YES! YES! YES! , my blood pressure has spiked greatly since I noticed

a strange phenomenon in my bedroom! My bed is an old Beautyrest with hand tied

coiled springs. It is soft as a feather and I love it! But lying in bed I feel

a very faint vibration coming from the bed, and I hear/feel a very low rumbling

sound. Not like an engine, and it doesn't come through the " air " ... it seems to

come from the earth, like somebody working underground. I go outside and can't

hear it. I can hear/feel it in other rooms, but it's strongest in bed, probably

amplified by the springs.

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it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

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phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

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> > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have

to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of

data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy

theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of

these days!

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information. I will try the taurine and calcium. I have to go

slow. I just started vervain. It's for the nerves. It has calmed them down a

little. It's been so cold lately it might be the cold that has my nerves

frozen, not the herb vervain that has helped. I will have to give it a little

more time and see what happens.

> >

> > Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> >  

> > I hope it works for you too, , and you are able to sell your house

very soon!  I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms when I am

exposed too long to particular emfs.  I have bp plummeting, but I suspect that

is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high bp and your

andrenals finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and then too high bp. 

When I was younger I had high bp at times and we didn't know why back then,

which is why I think the former might sometimes be the case.] 

> >  

> > I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium AEP

and pantethine.  [i have no idea what this combo would do for too high bp; but

it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken on a daily

basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]  Also I have taken manganese and

taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without reacting, for longer

periods.  [i don't necessarily recommend this supplementation unless you can do

more research on it yourself and determine that manganese and taurine will not

be detrimental to your health.  Manganese itself can be a toxic metal. 

Taurine supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of

" Healing is Voltage " , fame.]  I came to using all 4 of these on my own, so I

cannot point you to a doctor for this.  My nutritionist had previously

recommended cal AEP and pantethine for adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic

overload.  I found the manganese and taurine

> > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [i have long

suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are at least partly

to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to have blood brain

barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear to have calcium

ion-channel problems.  When the tight junctions do not properly close, the

calcium can leak from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight

junction again.]  I usually take the cal and pantethine now only when my bp

tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked my way up

to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the care of a

nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP and pantethine) finds it

helpful, which leads me to think one needs precursor supplementation, as

well (which I also did), which are very person specific.  Calcium, pantethine,

and co Q 10 (which I also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.  In those

of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear that

lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.  So this is a good place

to start working on to heal.  Supplementation can be effective.  Homeopathy

can also be effective in in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very

good homeopathist in your area.  It is also likely you need to work on your

liver, as it is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked. 

Just suggestions to look into. 

> >  

> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> > Diane

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[Guest guest]

We're wondering if we should move. Don't know if can take on rewiring.

I grew up 3 blocks from high voltage towers, never noticed anything when

younger. Yes we are at the mercy of our neighbors.

I've noticed effects last 4 years. I quit calcium except in multi b/c read

Blaylock's report it being an excitable effect on nerve cells.

 It got worse after moving to a valley area. The homes are average space apart

7 ft. One untility co's said they put in digital meters in 02.  Here they were

put in in 05.  I'm correlating my sickness w smart meters & added from cell

towers.  I feel burning from our neighbor's meter, happens to be on the side of

their house facing ours.

We got cell phones in 05, but never use much. Since summer I started feeling

burning, off unless emergency. 

I  think this house's wiring is running hotter, aluminum. Had copper in the

past. Behind most, buying shielding cords very soon.

Last question. I have to learn about grounding. Is it possible to have

underground wiring a small ground transformer in a neighbor's rear yard us any?

Thanks, Kathy

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From: Cheryl g <cheryl_griffing@...>

: Re: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

 

Hi ,

Since you already feel better when you are away from the cell towers then I

don't think it is too late for you to recover. What I have found is the E.S.

itself doesn't seem to go away when I am exposed to it less, but I simply feel

better when not exposed to it.

I was wondering when you first got sick with the E.S. I got sick after 11 years

of living near the power tower but at that time very little was known about all

this so it took me until about 10 years ago to suspect it was due to that. I

have read that 10 years seems to be the average amount of time that it takes to

become ill when exposed as such.

Are the homes far apart where you are moving to? Since I moved I am not close to

any cell towers or power lines but I am still ill and feel worse at home than

anywhere else. I highly suspect that this is due to the neighbors homes being so

close by and what they may be using there. Wifi? Plasma screen T.V.'s?  We are

completely at the mercy of our neighbors unfortunately.

I will appreciate any feedback on this and I wish you the best of luck with your

move. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes.

Cheryl

From: lindameetoo <lindameetoo@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 9:48 PM

 

I have lived here for about 14 years. I have gotten worse over the years. I do

start to feel better when I am away from the electricity and cell towers.

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it can be 170/90 with pulse a racing 110. As the day goes on it seems to drop

until at night it is back to normal, but the next morning it's sky high again.

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phenomenon and maybe to put our minds at ease... that it is not an anatomical

problem, but an EMF effect.

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> > I have no idea what sort of permanent damage this may be causing. We have

to get some attention on this problem... but first we need to gather lots of

data so when we do protest we won't be considered just more conspiracy

theorists. Come to think of it...maybe we should tell Ventura one of

these days!

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Diane,

I think I am deficient in cal. We all need minerals as you said. The key is go

slow like you said. I remember when I did take it, helped less ringing. Don't

overdue it anyone.

Do you take any magnesium to balance calcium?

I'm with you on gluten allergies.My son & I are GFCF.  I've been GFCF for 1 1/2

yrs. Found wheat allergy at 19 & ignored it, not many food choices years ago.

When I quit sinus pressure cleared for the 1st time & less arthritis.

I have a problem w having  GFin the  house. Husband won't quit. I can see

their wheat reactions.  Reacted to him boiling wheat pasta, but buys it cooked.

Older daughter & him bake pizzas. I have to leave the room. Cheese smells awful

to me now.

When waiting at a deli section of the store have to get away fast, the gluten in

the air from pasta causes minor anaphlaxis. Makes you feel alone to avoid

restaurants, but cooking for yourself, you know what's in it.

I've been wanting to clean the ducts. Anyone have RSD systmes? I jammed a foot

in summer & the pain

felt like it just happened for 2 days. I thought wasn't possible. Left but wound

up spreading. I'm sure it's tied w ES too.

Kathy

From: Evie <evie15422@...>

Subject: Re: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

 

Hi again, Steve, Kathy, and Others,

 

A person here (?Kathy, I think), made mention of someone stating calcium was not

good for people with ES to take.  I disagree.  If you need calcium,

you need calcium.  When your body is deficient of anything, it is detrimental

to you to remain deficient.  Your body runs on nutrients!  That said, you

don't want to over take any nutrients.  However, if I would have ever taken too

much of any nutrient, it would have been calcium.  I am still here, folks!  I

got better ES-wise still taking my calcium.  That said, after I have gotten

better, I have not continued taking it.  I now take it only when needed

(when ES symptoms develop).  And I am not saying everyone here is deficient of

calcium.  Only those who have particular symptoms are likely deficient. 

 

Go very slowly with the cal/ pantethine if you are in fibro pain, Steve.  When

I first started it, I was also on supplements to support my liver and

kidneys.....  I also needed molybdenum, B vits...  I had had bad fibro for

decades, but was able to overcome that when I went totally gluten-free.  [i

mean 100% gf--no lotions, no glutens in my house, no going out to

restaurants.....  I found glutens were at the root of all my health

problems--even auto-immune ones.]  I think you said previously you are gf; how

long completely gf?  It took me about a year before I was better fibro-wise,

after quitting glutens.  I eventually found that I reacted very badly to trace

glutens in the atmosphere.  I corresponded with another woman with the same

story--she had to remove her forced-air heating ducts (they were circulating

gluten dust) before she could fully recover.  I imagine it took about a year

for all the gluten dust to get cleaned up in my house, and

we didn't have a ducted furnace, so that may have been why it took so long

for my fibro to respond.  Just saying, to those whose fibro isn't better after

going gf, know it doesn't happen over night.

 

My liver was also really bad when I went gf (I still have liver scarring from

cirrhosis, caused by gluten damage).  I worked, with the nutritionist's

help, first on that, before working on the chronic fatigue with the Cal AEP. 

(That was what I first took cal AEP for.)  When I started the cal/pantethine I

got bad fibro for a month (This was after I had initially been symptom free from

fibro for 3 years).  It did finally pass, but you will not likely feel better

fibro-wise for awhile.  You need to know this.  I personally believe I need

to go with supplements even when they make me temporarily ill.  But that said,

you want to be prepared and pack as little cal AEP and pantethine into empty

capsules as possible.  If you have a bad reaction one day, skip the next day's

dose.  Give your body a chance to catch up. 

 

Good luck; I hope it isn't as bad as I made it sound for you, 

Diane

From: torch369 <torch369@...>

Subject: Re: EMF Exposures, Blood Pressure and Heart Beat.

Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:19 PM

 

Well, I will start with one of each and see what happens. Right now I'm in mega

fibro pain anyway

> >

> > Hi, , Marjij, and others with bp changes,

> >  

> > I hope it works for you too, , and you are able to sell your

house very soon!  I have all types of autonomic nervous system symptoms

when I am exposed too long to particular emfs.  I have bp plummeting,

but I suspect that is what happens when you have too many exposures causing high

bp and your andrenals finally fizzle out [or vice versa--too low and

then too high bp.  When I was younger I had high bp at times and we

didn't know why back then, which is why I think the former might sometimes be

the case.] 

> >  

> > I have been pretty successful at treating my too low bp with calcium

AEP and pantethine.  [i have no idea what this combo would do for too

high bp; but it might help the adrenals from going completely bonkers, if taken

on a daily basis but not necessarily when bp is high.]  Also I have

taken manganese and taurine which help me to withstand more emfs without

reacting, for longer periods.  [i don't necessarily recommend this

supplementation unless you can do more research on it yourself and

determine that manganese and taurine will not be detrimental to your

health.  Manganese itself can be a toxic metal.  Taurine

supplementation, however, is highly recommended by Dr. Tennent, of " Healing

is Voltage " , fame.]  I came to using all 4 of these on

my own, so I cannot point you to a doctor for this.  My

nutritionist had previously recommended cal AEP and pantethine for

adrenal insufficiency and lymphatic overload.  I found

> the manganese and taurine

> > searching for ways to close leaking calcium channels.  [i

have long suspected damaged tight junctions and ion channel pathways are

at least partly to blame for my reactions to emfs.  I appear to

have blood brain barrier tight junction damage.  Also I appear

to have calcium ion-channel problems.  When

the tight junctions do not properly close, the calcium can leak

from that cell and it takes manganese to close the tight

junction again.]  I usually take the cal and pantethine now only

when my bp tanks, but previously, for adrenal and lymphatic overload, I worked

my way up to very high amounts for over a year + timeframe under the

care of a nutritionist.  Not everybody who tries this (cal AEP

and pantethine) finds it helpful, which leads me to think one needs

precursor supplementation, as

well (which I also did), which are very person specific. 

Calcium, pantethine, and co Q 10 (which I

> also took/ take--tho spuratically now) are the 3

> > most essential nutrients for the adrenals and lymphatic system.  In

those of us with autonomic nervous system symptoms, it does, however, appear

that lymphatic overload and adrenal exhaustion is involved.  So this is

a good place to start working on to heal. 

Supplementation can be effective.  Homeopathy can also be effective in

in helping to heal these organs if you can find a very good homeopathist

in your area.  It is also likely you need to work on your liver, as it

is often dysfunctional when your lymphatic system is overworked.  Just

suggestions to look into. 

> >  

> > Hope you all find therapies which work for you,

> > Diane

> >

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Thanks, Diane,

I started with 1 pantethine, next I will try one of the calcium and go from

there

Steve

>

> Hi again, Steve, Kathy, and Others,

>  

> A person here (?Kathy, I think), made mention of someone stating calcium was

not good for people with ES to take.  I disagree.  If you need calcium,

you need calcium.  When your body is deficient of anything, it is detrimental

to you to remain deficient.  Your body runs on nutrients!  That said, you

don't want to over take any nutrients.  However, if I would have ever taken too

much of any nutrient, it would have been calcium.  I am still here, folks!  I

got better ES-wise still taking my calcium.  That said, after I have gotten

better, I have not continued taking it.  I now take it only when needed

(when ES symptoms develop).  And I am not saying everyone here is deficient of

calcium.  Only those who have particular symptoms are likely deficient. 

>  

> Go very slowly with the cal/ pantethine if you are in fibro pain, Steve. 

When I first started it, I was also on supplements to support my liver and

kidneys.....  I also needed molybdenum, B vits...  I had had bad fibro for

decades, but was able to overcome that when I went totally gluten-free.  [i

mean 100% gf--no lotions, no glutens in my house, no going out to

restaurants.....  I found glutens were at the root of all my health

problems--even auto-immune ones.]  I think you said previously you are gf; how

long completely gf?  It took me about a year before I was better fibro-wise,

after quitting glutens.  I eventually found that I reacted very badly to trace

glutens in the atmosphere.  I corresponded with another woman with the same

story--she had to remove her forced-air heating ducts (they were circulating

gluten dust) before she could fully recover.  I imagine it took about a year

for all the gluten dust to get cleaned up in my house, and

> we didn't have a ducted furnace, so that may have been why it took so long

for my fibro to respond.  Just saying, to those whose fibro isn't better after

going gf, know it doesn't happen over night.

>  

> My liver was also really bad when I went gf (I still have liver scarring from

cirrhosis, caused by gluten damage).  I worked, with the nutritionist's

help, first on that, before working on the chronic fatigue with the Cal AEP. 

(That was what I first took cal AEP for.)  When I started the cal/pantethine I

got bad fibro for a month (This was after I had initially been symptom free from

fibro for 3 years).  It did finally pass, but you will not likely feel better

fibro-wise for awhile.  You need to know this.  I personally believe I need

to go with supplements even when they make me temporarily ill.  But that said,

you want to be prepared and pack as little cal AEP and pantethine into empty

capsules as possible.  If you have a bad reaction one day, skip the next day's

dose.  Give your body a chance to catch up. 

>  

> Good luck; I hope it isn't as bad as I made it sound for you, 

> Diane

>