Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

[Guest guest]

> Don't know you guys if you got any luck or what have you come up to

> as for witch device work the best for EMF or Dirty Electricity

> removal ???

I suppose it depends on what your goal is -- to reduce the readings

on your meter, or to feel better?

I've tried various filters that measurably reduce the dirty electricity

meter readings (Stetzerizer meter, Entech meter), but sometimes that

makes no difference in how I feel, and sometimes I actually feel worse

from these filters!

Meanwhile there are things like the Quantum Home and Earthcalm Home

which have NO impact on these meters, yet do make me feel better.

That said, I do use a Furman " linear filter " power strip (PST-8,PST-10)

for my computer & TV stuff, which does reduce the meter readings

without making me feel worse. :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

It's tough to get a filter that really works unless it has

a good ground that you don't mind contaminating (i.e.,

the whole thing is far away from you).

I would not bother with Stetzer filters (they might help if

you are far from it and there is a bad magnetic EMF source

on the circuit). You want a big heavy multistage filter.

But even then you can create ground loops.

The easiest thing is to replace newer wall warts with the old

linear (preferably regulated) kind. Jameco sells some.

Bill

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Don't know you guys if you got any luck or what have you come up to

> > as for witch device work the best for EMF or Dirty Electricity

> > removal ???

>

> I suppose it depends on what your goal is -- to reduce the readings

> on your meter, or to feel better?

>

> I've tried various filters that measurably reduce the dirty electricity

> meter readings (Stetzerizer meter, Entech meter), but sometimes that

> makes no difference in how I feel, and sometimes I actually feel worse

> from these filters!

>

> Meanwhile there are things like the Quantum Home and Earthcalm Home

> which have NO impact on these meters, yet do make me feel better.

>

> That said, I do use a Furman " linear filter " power strip (PST-8,PST-10)

> for my computer & TV stuff, which does reduce the meter readings

> without making me feel worse. :-)

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a Brick Wall Line Conditioner on my TV, VCR, etc and when my neighbor

uses her treadmill I get static on the TV. I was disappointed. I was thinking of

getting the Furman then I started reading reviews of the Tripplite Isobar surge

line and people are getting good results for only around 70 bucks.

>

> >

> >

> > > Don't know you guys if you got any luck or what have you come up to

> > > as for witch device work the best for EMF or Dirty Electricity

> > > removal ???

> >

> > I suppose it depends on what your goal is -- to reduce the readings

> > on your meter, or to feel better?

> >

> > I've tried various filters that measurably reduce the dirty electricity

> > meter readings (Stetzerizer meter, Entech meter), but sometimes that

> > makes no difference in how I feel, and sometimes I actually feel worse

> > from these filters!

> >

> > Meanwhile there are things like the Quantum Home and Earthcalm Home

> > which have NO impact on these meters, yet do make me feel better.

> >

> > That said, I do use a Furman " linear filter " power strip (PST-8,PST-10)

> > for my computer & TV stuff, which does reduce the meter readings

> > without making me feel worse. :-)

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I have a Brick Wall Line Conditioner on my TV, VCR, etc and when my

> neighbor uses her treadmill I get static on the TV. I was disappointed. I

> was thinking of getting the Furman then I started reading reviews of the

> Tripplite Isobar surge line and people are getting good results for only

> around 70 bucks.

Hmmm, I would have thought the Brick Wall would have been pretty good.

In my power strip testing, the Furman reduced more noise than the IsoBar

or the Brick Wall.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Amazon sells the Isobar, I guess i could try that first and if it doesn't do the

job return it for the Furman. They sell that one also for $140 or so.

>

> > I have a Brick Wall Line Conditioner on my TV, VCR, etc and when my

> > neighbor uses her treadmill I get static on the TV. I was disappointed. I

> > was thinking of getting the Furman then I started reading reviews of the

> > Tripplite Isobar surge line and people are getting good results for only

> > around 70 bucks.

>

> Hmmm, I would have thought the Brick Wall would have been pretty good.

> In my power strip testing, the Furman reduced more noise than the IsoBar

> or the Brick Wall.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same?  Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:16 PM

 

> Don't know you guys if you got any luck or what have you come up to

> as for witch device work the best for EMF or Dirty Electricity

> removal ???

I suppose it depends on what your goal is -- to reduce the readings

on your meter, or to feel better?

I've tried various filters that measurably reduce the dirty electricity

meter readings (Stetzerizer meter, Entech meter), but sometimes that

makes no difference in how I feel, and sometimes I actually feel worse

from these filters!

Meanwhile there are things like the Quantum Home and Earthcalm Home

which have NO impact on these meters, yet do make me feel better.

That said, I do use a Furman " linear filter " power strip (PST-8,PST-10)

for my computer & TV stuff, which does reduce the meter readings

without making me feel worse. :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same?  Loni

The Furman power strip gave the lowest noise reading on the

Stetzerizer/Entech meters, but I was never convinced that it

made any difference in my symptoms.

Compare that with finding a tolerable Blu-ray player vs. not,

which makes a *huge* difference.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

I had the stetzer filters in my home in Australia that had high magnetic

fields. I could physically feel the difference straight away after

installation.

My dog, who could hardly walk due to EMR effects, got up and walked again

and could go for quite a few kilometres.

Must work!

Cheers, Helen

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same? Loni

>

> The Furman power strip gave the lowest noise reading on the

> Stetzerizer/Entech meters, but I was never convinced that it

> made any difference in my symptoms.

>

> Compare that with finding a tolerable Blu-ray player vs. not,

> which makes a *huge* difference.

>

> Marc

>

>

>

--

Helen A

Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/>

0448 877 384

03 9376 6338

[Guest guest]

> My dog, who could hardly walk due to EMR effects, got up and walked

> again and could go for quite a few kilometres.

Funny that your dog likes it too! Are you sure there s no placebo effect with

your dog?!

;-)

>

> >

> >

> > > Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same? Loni

> >

> > The Furman power strip gave the lowest noise reading on the

> > Stetzerizer/Entech meters, but I was never convinced that it

> > made any difference in my symptoms.

> >

> > Compare that with finding a tolerable Blu-ray player vs. not,

> > which makes a *huge* difference.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Helen A

>

> Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/>

> 0448 877 384

> 03 9376 6338

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I found that the stetzer's actually increased the emf in my house. I had more

severe symptoms plus I had more fatigue so I sent them back. Wish they would

have worked for me. Loni

From: <@...>

Subject: Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:57 PM

 

> My dog, who could hardly walk due to EMR effects, got up and walked

> again and could go for quite a few kilometres.

Funny that your dog likes it too! Are you sure there s no placebo effect with

your dog?!

;-)

>

> >

> >

> > > Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same? Loni

> >

> > The Furman power strip gave the lowest noise reading on the

> > Stetzerizer/Entech meters, but I was never convinced that it

> > made any difference in my symptoms.

> >

> > Compare that with finding a tolerable Blu-ray player vs. not,

> > which makes a *huge* difference.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Helen A

>

> Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/>

> 0448 877 384

> 03 9376 6338

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't feel much of an effect from the stetzer filters. I had them about a

month. I sent them back. They were really expensive too. So far the only thing

that has worked for me is 5 days on the beach in Mexico. Very little electricity

there and no cell service. Not where I go anyway. I went on a cruse to Hawaii

about 2 years ago. I almost felt normal in a good way. Normal for me now is bad

and sometimes worse.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same? Loni

> > >

> > > The Furman power strip gave the lowest noise reading on the

> > > Stetzerizer/Entech meters, but I was never convinced that it

> > > made any difference in my symptoms.

> > >

> > > Compare that with finding a tolerable Blu-ray player vs. not,

> > > which makes a *huge* difference.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Helen A

> >

> > Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/>

> > 0448 877 384

> > 03 9376 6338

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house. Please share

details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force associated

with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and

containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of

50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer

filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have

been greatly reduced.

EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building

wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

I also heard cases where people got worse from GS filters. Thus, we need to be

careful before advertising GS filter until we have more information. A few

limited studies is not enough evidence here. (If anything, we have a few

limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who is helping ES, says he took

it apart, and doesn't believe it can help.)

My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the source's " dirty electricity "

itself. E.g., Stetzer filter does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb

itself, which is still measurable by AM radio. It can't justify keeping the CFL

bulb.

Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the harmonics go into the MHz

range. I also read that it can make the dirty electricity dirtier:

http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html

>

>

> Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house. Please

share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

>

> EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force associated

with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and

containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

>

> Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields

of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

>

> There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer

filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have

been greatly reduced.

>

> EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

>

> The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

>

> To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building

wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

>

> Shivani Arjuna

> www.LifeEnergies.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shivani wrote: " Many people initially use

a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not

what causes EHS symptoms. "

You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to

60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.

I get chest pains and a headache.

Also, there are gauss meters that

measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors

only address differential noise - what

about common-mode noise? They really

shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature

for multi-stage in-line units which have

large inductors and are grounded.

With that said, I use a few home-made bypass

capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean

differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.

The capacitor generates a magnetic field and

there is also causes some AM interference.

I keep them as far away as possible.

Eli

> >

> >

> > Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house. Please

share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

> >

> > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force associated

with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and

containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

> >

> > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

> >

> > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer

filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have

been greatly reduced.

> >

> > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

> >

> > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

> >

> > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building

wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

> >

> > Shivani Arjuna

> > www.LifeEnergies.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Eli,

Please chill with the direct attack.

> You wrong Shivani.

I'd like to think we are working together to help each other.

Shivani is posting what she believes is correct. I too get ES

symptoms around electricity and I don't know how much of it is from

the dirty electricity or something else that I have no idea about.

Please let's not attack each other. That is what " they " want us to do

so we weaken our power.

I am not the moderator and please forgive me if this post is not

warranted from my role. Just can't let this go on a list that I care

so much about and that has helped me so much.

Many thanks to Marc.

Thank you,

On Jan 22, 2011, at 10:15 AM, jaime_schunkewitz wrote:

> Shivani wrote: " Many people initially use

> a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

> fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not

> what causes EHS symptoms. "

>

> You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to

> 60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.

> I get chest pains and a headache.

>

> Also, there are gauss meters that

> measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

>

> And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors

> only address differential noise - what

> about common-mode noise? They really

> shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature

> for multi-stage in-line units which have

> large inductors and are grounded.

>

> With that said, I use a few home-made bypass

> capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean

> differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.

> The capacitor generates a magnetic field and

> there is also causes some AM interference.

> I keep them as far away as possible.

>

> Eli

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>>

>>> Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her

>>> house. Please share details about what kind of metering you

>>> used, Loni.

>>>

>>> EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force

>>> associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric

>>> and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof

>>> electromagnetic energy. "

>>>

>>> Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter

>>> magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes

>>> EHS symptoms.

>>>

>>> There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed

>>> Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the

>>> harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.

>>>

>>> EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

>>>

>>> The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the

>>> " dirty electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the

>>> circuits they are plugged into. They are not designed to affect

>>> other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on

>>> your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc. They do a specific

>>> job and they do it very well.

>>>

>>> To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in

>>> building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer

>>> filters must be undertaken.

>>>

>>> Shivani Arjuna

>>> www.LifeEnergies.com

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

> Eli,

> Please chill with the direct attack.

> > You wrong Shivani.

I guess you must be more sensitive than I am , because

I would not consider that to be an " attack " .

On every discussion group, you will find people who disagree

with each other. For the most part we're pretty good here...

I can't recall having to ban anyone for attacking someone

else in years!

But yes, as long as we've got Shivani and and me

all together on one group, there are bound to be

disagreements... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

We should consider what we are talking about.

Now and then I can't help smiling when reading what has been written here.

First of all, there is no discussion about what electrosensitives may

experience.

Nobody can feel elektrosmog, because we do not have an organ for that.

But parts of our body do react to elektrosmog. That is for shure, and

undeniable.

However, many do not realize what the limitations of their meters are, and

furthermore they do not realize what the exact origin of their elektrosmog

source is.

The elektrosmog family is a very large one, with many tentacles.

And one should consider the time factor for reactions. Many people do react to a

DECT phone within minutes, but the reaction to a GSM mast may be delayued for

many hours.

I do know people who react today on what they were exposed yesterday.

I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone (1.8 GHz), but heavily to a

signal of 5.8 GHz.

Now first and for all, clean 50-60 Hz does not pose a threat.

The danger lies in the transients. Those are the frequencies you do not pay for,

but which are delivered to you unvoluntarily.

There should be a law that the companies are obliged to deleiver clean 50-60 Hz.

I devide *dirty electricity* into two parts.

1. The *dirty power*, which is in the mains electricity net. The transients can

be measured with a spectrumanalyser (I use a Spectran NF 5035 with a

differential probe and 40 dB EMV preamp, thus measuring frequencies from 0 Hz up

to 30 MHz.), the wellknown Stetzerizer meter and the Entech meter which goes up

to 800 kHz.

The *dirty power* can be reduced with filters, like those of Stetzer (5-150 kHz)

or those by Bajog (5 kHz-30 MHz.)

Be aware that the ground cables can bring *dirty power* into your homes. They

are normally coupled to electricity, water and gas.

2. What I call *dirty air*. That are the floating frequencies in the air.

They may com from electrical appliances like halogen lamps (12/24 Volt), CRT

Televisons, LCD and Plasma televisions and monitors, etc.

And now the smart meters.

Here no filters can help, because it is not in the mains.

I have *dirty air* measured coming out of the beams from mobile phone masts,

especially UMTS or 3G.

(When these beams come to a wall, the frequencies can enter the wall, and also

get into the mains electricity net, and resides there as *dirty power*.

*Dirty air* can be measued. I do have special detectors with different antennas

for that. When I have found spots, I measure them with my aforementioned

Spectran NF 5035 mit special antennas and the 30 dB preamp).

But it can be detected with a HAM radio.

3. So the dirty power is measured as in 1.

And the dirty air is measured as in 2.

4. Now, if somebody reacts to 50-60 Hz, it is not this frequency, but the

magnetic fields.

Overhere I measure from a Stetzer filter 3250 nT but from a Bajog filter only

140 nT, measured diredtly on top of them.

The strenght of these magnetic fields diminish with the distance heavily.

But, the influence of them on electrosensitives can be over a great distance.

So, if your Gauss meter tells you that the magnetic fields are low, that is no

assurance, that an electrosensitive person may not be harrassed by them.

5. It is my opinion, that we have electrical fields, magnetical fields and

frequencies.

Although it may sound technically improper, I have experienced, that each of

them may appear without the other.

It has to do with the controversial longitudinal waves, which travel over a

greater distance than transversal waves.

And it is the content of the information in these longitudinal waves, that is

biological effective or not.

That is the reason why electrosensitives may react to very tiner, hardly

measurable quantities of elektrosmog.

Please have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html

and scroll down to 18-07-2010 Powerplug.

The first spectrogram shows the influence of a dLan or powerplug.

The second spectogram shows when it was dismounted.

The rest of the peaks are the normal *dirty power* which one may find in large

cities, like here in Gent, Belgium.

6. There are two types of Gauss or Tesla meters.

The simple ones do have only one measuring axis inside, so you have to measure

X-, Y- and Z- axis, and calculate the value accordingly.

It is easier to use a 3D Tesla or Gauss meter. That is *pointing and reading*.

For quick working I use a Professional 3-axis digital Tesla meter (16-2000 Hz).

For exact working I use a Spectran NF 5020 (0-20000 MHz), which has a 3D axis

for magnetical AC as well as magnetical DC fields.

7. It is my experience during the last twelve years, that most people do not

know what the really damaging elektrosmog source is.

Very often they point to a mobile phone mast, they can see, but also very often

I measure heavier masts, they cannot see.

And boy-oh-boy what do I encounter in most kitchens. That is horrible.

And other sources they have in their homes.

Also there is a synergy from different sources coming together.

8. Milham has wrtitten his book *Dirty electricity*. Recommendable.

His findings were, that cancer was exploding in 2-3 years time (Breast cancer,

leukemia etc.) by dirty electricity !!

(Not the 10-20 years they tell us.)

9. For more understanding of electrosensitivity see:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html

10. If we talk about lamps.

There are lamps that do have electrical as well as magnetical fields.

There are lamps, that are clean, but cause *dirty power* into the mains, but

hardly *dirty air*.

There are lamps, that are clean, and do not cause *dirty power*, but a certain

amount of *dirty air*.

And there are lamps, that are completely clean, but expensive (momentarily).

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

Shivani wrote: " Many people initially use

a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not

what causes EHS symptoms. "

You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to

60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.

I get chest pains and a headache.

Also, there are gauss meters that

measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors

only address differential noise - what

about common-mode noise? They really

shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature

for multi-stage in-line units which have

large inductors and are grounded.

With that said, I use a few home-made bypass

capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean

differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.

The capacitor generates a magnetic field and

there is also causes some AM interference.

I keep them as far away as possible.

Eli

> >

> >

> > Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house. Please

share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

> >

> > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force

associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic

components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

> >

> > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

> >

> > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer

filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have

been greatly reduced.

> >

> > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

> >

> > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

> >

> > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building

wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

> >

> > Shivani Arjuna

> > www.LifeEnergies.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Of course Stetzer filters cannot stop CFL bulbs from creating harmful

frequencies. That is what CFL bulbs must do in order to function. The bulbs

will still broadcast the frequencies,airborne, from where they are. The Stetzer

filters cannot affect airborne signal. They do, however, keep those frequencies

from being passed around the house via the wiring on the circuit they are

plugged into.

For an EHS person to have CFL bulbs in his/her home is not sensible.

I don't know any EHS people who are sensitive to 60 Hz. I suggest that what

you are presuming is 60 Hz actually has other frequencies with it.

The studies that were done that supposedly showed harm from 60 Hz did not take

dirty electricity into consideration. I communicated with one of the authors

of such a study to ask if they had thought of that. Nope. They just used

electricity as it came from the electric company.

Shivani

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

I agree with you ! Loni

" Many people initially use

> a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

> fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not

> what causes EHS symptoms. "

>

> You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to

> 60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.

> I get chest pains and a headache.

>

> Also, there are gauss meters that

> measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

>

> And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors

> only address differential noise - what

> about common-mode noise? They really

> shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature

> for multi-stage in-line units which have

> large inductors and are grounded.

>

> With that said, I use a few home-made bypass

> capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean

> differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.

> The capacitor generates a magnetic field and

> there is also causes some AM interference.

> I keep them as far away as possible.

>

> Eli

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>>

>>> Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her

>>> house. Please share details about what kind of metering you

>>> used, Loni.

>>>

>>> EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force

>>> associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric

>>> and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof

>>> electromagnetic energy. "

>>>

>>> Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter

>>> magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes

>>> EHS symptoms.

>>>

>>> There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed

>>> Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the

>>> harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.

>>>

>>> EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

>>>

>>> The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the

>>> " dirty electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the

>>> circuits they are plugged into. They are not designed to affect

>>> other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on

>>> your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc. They do a specific

>>> job and they do it very well.

>>>

>>> To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in

>>> building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer

>>> filters must be undertaken.

>>>

>>> Shivani Arjuna

>>> www.LifeEnergies.com

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

All I can tell you is that I felt more stinging/burning coming off of my tv when

using the stetzer filters.  More fatigue. The filters did take the Dirty

Electricity down as per the meter sent with the filters but I just didn't get

symptom relief. Just my experience & my Building Biologist has heard similar

stories regarding them. Loni

From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...>

Subject: Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 1:14 PM

 

Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house. Please share

details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force associated

with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and

containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of

50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer

filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have been

greatly reduced.

EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building

wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the clarification.

My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause

severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance

power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a

refrigerator - both are devastating because of the

elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.

I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity

is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,

or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It

seems to be problematic even when there is no current.

As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several

meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A

is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch

to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.

Eli

> > >

> > >

> > > Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house.

Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

> > >

> > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force

associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic

components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

> > >

> > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

> > >

> > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer

filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have

been greatly reduced.

> > >

> > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

> > >

> > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

> > >

> > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in

building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

> > >

> > > Shivani Arjuna

> > > www.LifeEnergies.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shivani and group,

I became EHS from 50-60Hz. I had high magnetic fields everywhere in my

home. Even though I had great relief with the Stetzer filters, I had over

time become more and more senstive to higher frequencies too. It was not

sustainable to continue living under that magnetic field as I would correct

one symptom, another would appear.

Now that I am out, I have been saturating myself with cell food and having

great results.

Cheers,

Helen

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:35 AM, <SArjuna@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I don't know any EHS people who are sensitive to 60 Hz. I suggest that what

> you are presuming is 60 Hz actually has other frequencies with it.

>

> The studies that were done that supposedly showed harm from 60 Hz did not

> take dirty electricity into consideration. I communicated with one of the

> authors of such a study to ask if they had thought of that. Nope. They just

> used electricity as it came from the electric company.

>

> Shivani

>

> www.LifeEnergies.com <http://www.lifeenergies.com/>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Now that I am out, I have been saturating myself with cell food and

> having great results.

" Cell food " as in the product, CELLFOOD from Lumina Health? Or

are you using the term " cell food " in a more generic sense? :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

I think it is the same Cellfood. I purchase it in Australia labelled

CELLFOOD AUSTRALIA, but the rear of label says Sole Australian Importer of

Genuine Cellfood.

Helen

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Now that I am out, I have been saturating myself with cell food and

> > having great results.

>

> " Cell food " as in the product, CELLFOOD from Lumina Health? Or

> are you using the term " cell food " in a more generic sense? :-)

>

> Marc

>

>

>

--

Helen A

Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/>

0448 877 384

03 9376 6338

[Guest guest]

THose meters are only 1 D.

They now have 3D, but they are very expensive.

Measuring with 1D is rather complicated.

You must measure the X-, Y, Z-axis, raise them to the higher power, sum them,

and from the sum the root must be extracted.

So you need a calculator with them.

Therefore I prefer a 3D Gauss or Teslameter.

It is just *point and read*.

For amateurs, 20-2000 Hz will do.

Here a Spectran NF will do. There are several types.

They are not expensive, and contain 3D for magnetical fields.

And, very important, you can see which frequencies are present, which all other

meters do not show.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

Thanks for the clarification.

My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause

severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance

power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a

refrigerator - both are devastating because of the

elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.

I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity

is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,

or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It

seems to be problematic even when there is no current.

As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several

meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A

is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch

to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.

Eli

> > >

> > >

> > > Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house.

Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

> > >

> > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates " the field of force

associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic

components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy. "

> > >

> > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

> > >

> > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed

Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies

have been greatly reduced.

> > >

> > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

> > >

> > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the " dirty

electricity " range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are

plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they

affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.

They do a specific job and they do it very well.

> > >

> > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in

building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be

undertaken.

> > >

> > > Shivani Arjuna

> > > www.LifeEnergies.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >