Re: electrical radiation vs. outgassed chemicals

[Guest guest]

> How do we know that symptoms we think are caused by electrical

> radiation aren't caused by outgassed chemicals?

Yes, before I concluded I had electrical sensitivity, I also

thought the problem might be outgassing from my computer

monitor. However, then I noticed that I was having problems

with all sorts of things that were inconsistent with outgassing.

Like being near powerlines - outdoors. Or being near cell

towers. Or standing next to light switches. Talking on

an (old) telephone, being in grocery stores, airports,

etc.

But I won't deny that *you* may be reacting to chemical

offgassing...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, well I'm actually not sure. I know that when I was painting my whole house

a few months ago, I was standing on top of my counter, and had my laptop placed

there. As I was moving around on the counter painting, my foot at one point was

touching the big, black battery that the laptop was plugged in to.? Within a few

seconds, my foot started aching and throbbing very painfully, and then it spread

to my whole body, then the tiredness and nauseousness came, ?so I would have to

say for now at least, the electrical. But I admit I don't know enough about

outgassed chemicals to say they are equally bad, or worse. I did check out your

site, yes.

Amy

electrical radiation vs. outgassed chemicals

which one is worse from computers?

How do we know that symptoms we think are caused by electrical

radiation aren't caused by outgassed chemicals?

For me personally I think outgassed chemicals are what makes me feel

so bad.

did you guys see my enclosures for blocking both outgassed chemicals

and electrical radiation? http://www.rawair.net/photos.html

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/12/2008 6:49:19 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

javamdnss@... writes:

How do we know that symptoms we think are caused by electrical

radiation aren't caused by outgassed chemicals?

For me personally I think outgassed chemicals are what makes me feel

so bad.

sitting outside behind the wall of my neighbours LCD tv or Telephone masts

from a distance, mobile phones at a distance, its not chemicals there,

[Guest guest]

My symptoms depend on how hard the computer is working, and are relieved

if it is sleeping or better, off. Etc. etc. BUT, I've been exposed to the

outgassing

for a long time. The Invisible Disease book by Gunni Nordstrom talks a lot

about outgassing. I doubt those chemicals are doing any good and may

actually cause the damage that makes us sensitive. There is some connection

between EHS and MCS, and I don't think anyone really understands why.

Bill

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:41 PM, rawfooddan <healthytech@...> wrote:

> which one is worse from computers?

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> How do we know that symptoms we think are caused by electrical

> radiation aren't caused by outgassed chemicals?

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> For me personally I think outgassed chemicals are what makes me feel

> so bad.

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> did you guys see my enclosures for blocking both outgassed chemicals

> and electrical radiation? http://www.rawair.net/photos.html

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[Guest guest]

Clearly electrical radiation is a problem, and I didn't mean to say

its not. I know its a problem, but I should say, my computer

sensitivity is not one or the other, Its a combination of the two.

Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond to my

feelings.

I know that it would be hard for most people to make a connection

between the two because because unless you make a deliberate effort to

eliminate outgassing products from your life, you're going to be

breathing those chemicals all the time and might never experience

outgas free living.

But the thing with electronics is that they get hot, and when stuff

gets hot they outgas a lot more, and I know enclosing my computer,

monitor and modem really works for me. but the enclosures also are

blocking the electric field, so maybe thats another reason they work

for me.

maybe I am sensitive to both the electric field and outgassed chemicals.

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> > How do we know that symptoms we think are caused by electrical

> > radiation aren't caused by outgassed chemicals?

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> > For me personally I think outgassed chemicals are what makes me feel

> > so bad.

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> > did you guys see my enclosures for blocking both outgassed chemicals

> > and electrical radiation? http://www.rawair.net/photos.html

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[Guest guest]

> maybe I am sensitive to both the electric field and outgassed chemicals.

Probably that would be true for many of us. I certainly have had trouble

with the smell coming from offgassing -- I had to get rid of a space heater

because it never seemed to offgas enough for me, and also I had to stop

a magazine subscription because I could not stand the smell of the ink

used! (although that was true for only one obscure magazine which must

have used an unusual ink/printing process)

But certainly, there are things which are a problematic purely from

an EMF standpoint.

Marc

[Guest guest]

(From rawfooddan)

I know that it would be hard for most people to make a connection between the

two

This is so true. I know for me, it only took, oh, about 11 years (!!) to realize

the connection to electronics, fluorescent light sensitivity and fibro/fatigue.

Gee, that's not too long is it? lol

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:13:01 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

healthytech@... writes:

Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond to my

feelings.

I many respects its a no brainer with new equipment at close quarters or

held in houses that are poorly ventilated. These chemicals in themselves will

be processed by the body in similar ways to the EMR, so its a double whammy,

also the offending apparatus, say a computer is hitting you with both

especially when its new, in terms of the chems, so a cellular and

phychocellular

assosiation will be recorded in the immune system and thus nervous system a

very

difficult coding to break. I think along similar lines that is why some

people get sun sensitive these days, if you are bathed in mobile phone waves

and

obviuosly sun waves (that are ubiquitous and natural) that sit in the EMF

spectrum and your body takes offence to the EMR, it may tag the sunlight as an

allergen as well in other words put them mistakingly in the same basket, what

a nasty anomaly, but I see the EMR as the main instigator here where

chemicals dance to its chaotic tune.

PUK - feeling a bit ill now time to see the real world....

[Guest guest]

I think my case may shed some insight. I was normal from a health

perspective at least :-), until I was exposed to diazinon a, now

banned (residentially), nasty organophosphate pesticide. I then began

a long nightmarish slide into severe chemical sensitivity. I also

figured out after about 6 months after the exposure that I was

electrically sensitive as well. So literally 1 day I was normal and

the next I was not.

I worked in the computer industry for 15 years. Lot's of computer

rooms. So I think I would have noticed any prior ES.

I guess I'm just special.... (lot's of sarcasm)

thanks, Alan

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> In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:13:01 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> healthytech@... writes:

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> Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

> chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

> radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond to my

> feelings.

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[Guest guest]

Me too. I can't pinpoint it to one thing though, since the three happened at

about the same time. First ever flu shot, first time starting to use a computer,

and first time ever using inon right outside the house a LOT for an ongoing

infestation of pincher bugs. If I only knew then what I know now.....

Amy

Re: electrical radiation vs. outgassed chemicals

I think my case may shed some insight. I was normal from a health

perspective at least :-), until I was exposed to diazinon a, now

banned (residentially), nasty organophosphate pesticide. I then began

a long nightmarish slide into severe chemical sensitivity. I also

figured out after about 6 months after the exposure that I was

electrically sensitive as well. So literally 1 day I was normal and

the next I was not.

I worked in the computer industry for 15 years. Lot's of computer

rooms. So I think I would have noticed any prior ES.

I guess I'm just special.... (lot's of sarcasm)

thanks, Alan

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> In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:13:01 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> healthytech@... writes:

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> Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

> chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

> radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond to my

> feelings.

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[Guest guest]

I guess you can't definitively pinpoint it. And it could have been all

three combined just pushed you over the edge. But I would ask myself

this question. Which one of these three was specifically designed to

kill by disrupting and damaging the central nervous system and has

been banned? :-) My guess is (but you'll never know) that the other 2

by themselves may not have caused it.

Thanks, Alan

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> > healthytech@ writes:

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> > Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

> > chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

> > radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond to my

> > feelings.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/14/2008 11:52:29 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

abailey63@... writes:

I think my case may shed some insight. I was normal from a health

> perspective at least :-), until I was exposed to diazinon a, now

> banned (residentially) banned (residentially)<WBR>, nasty organophosp

> a long nightmarish slide into severe chemical sensitivity. I also

> figured out after about 6 months after the exposure that I was

> electrically sensitive as well. So literally 1 day I was normal and

> the next I was not.

PUK - Funny you should say that but I got dosed out on Sodium Bendiocarb

?used to kill fleas and wasps in a house I I surveyed many moons ago and I got

sick, I was also assaulted got a broken cheek bone, had an operation to repair

it had problems thereafter

PUK

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I had no idea about that. I thought since it was being sold in the U.S.

it must be safe. HA! Boy I've come a long way since those days.

I was livid when I found out all about diazinon, believe me.

Amy

Re: electrical radiation vs. outgassed chemicals

I guess you can't definitively pinpoint it. And it could have been all

three combined just pushed you over the edge. But I would ask myself

this question. Which one of these three was specifically designed to

kill by disrupting and damaging the central nervous system and has

been banned? :-) My guess is (but you'll never know) that the other 2

by themselves may not have caused it.

Thanks, Alan

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> > In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:13:01 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> > healthytech@ writes:

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> > Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

> > chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

> > radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond to my

> > feelings.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks. I'm trying to find my AM/FM walkman which is packed up in a

box somewhere.

Thanks, Alan

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> > > In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:13:01 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> > > healthytech@ writes:

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> > > Bill, I think you're on to something there in wondering if outgassed

> > > chemicals cause the damage which makes one sensitive to electrical

> > > radiation. That makes a lot of sense to me and would correspond

to my

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[Guest guest]

Really? How hard the computer is working? I notice I feel much worse

when the computer reads 'waiting for (a website)'. I thought I was

crazy.

Carol

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> > which one is worse from computers?

> >

> > How do we know that symptoms we think are caused by electrical

> > radiation aren't caused by outgassed chemicals?

> >

> > For me personally I think outgassed chemicals are what makes me

feel

> > so bad.

> >

> > did you guys see my enclosures for blocking both outgassed

chemicals

> > and electrical radiation? http://www.rawair.net/photos.html

> >

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[Guest guest]

> Really? How hard the computer is working? I notice I feel much worse

> when the computer reads 'waiting for (a website)'. I thought I was

> crazy.

I certainly can tell the difference between working on a computer

when it is in the process of downloading a large file vs. using

a computer with no network activity. I don't know if this is

my reaction to the DSL modem, the phone line, or the computer,

but I do know that turning on my Quantum Home counteracts

whatever is causing the problem.

Marc