RE: Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes etc

[Guest guest]

Very interested reading Rodney. It is interesting that they say corn

syrup is bad and does this yada, yada, but then reneges. I've heard

a lot of bad press of late about high fructose corn syrup causing

insulin spikes and other health problems. Lots of bad press on the

stuff, but it's in so many processed food. Really makes the case to

eat natural, doesn't it?

Jen

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> A kind of interesting article from the NIH website. Stop reading

> whenever you get bored with it. **BUT**, when you break off

reading

> it make sure you read the final paragraph! If accurate the final

> paragraph pretty much contradicts the rest of the article. (Also

the

> 1909 reference seems to contradict much of the contents also).

>

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_17298.html

>

> http://snipurl.com/63sl

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Corn syrup is cheap and plentiful for the manufacturer and and is another

(unhealthy) rip-off to the consumer. It's in practically EVERYTHING

processed. As ibe example, have you ever noticed the calories in a

" processed " tomato sauce? About 140 cal in 1/2 cup. You can thank the

corn syrup and the extra oils. OTOH, a can of plain crushed tomatoes (to

which you can add your own spices, olive oil, no cal sweetner if you care to

etc) is about 40 calories. You can save a lot of calories (and money too!)

by buying the much healthier and cheaper (practically) unprocessed item.

on 5/2/2004 3:14 PM, at jene1157@... wrote:

> Very interested reading Rodney. It is interesting that they say corn

> syrup is bad and does this yada, yada, but then reneges. I've heard

> a lot of bad press of late about high fructose corn syrup causing

> insulin spikes and other health problems. Lots of bad press on the

> stuff, but it's in so many processed food. Really makes the case to

> eat natural, doesn't it?

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Rodney,

I think it says corn syrup and type 2 diabetes are associated because it causes obesity and obesity causes T2 D.

The last para indicates obesity without corn syrup also causes T2 D.

One could say it's the user that causes it, by eating too much.

One feature of corn syrup as opposed to sugar, is that it's digested already.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes etc

Hi folks:A kind of interesting article from the NIH website. Stop reading whenever you get bored with it. **BUT**, when you break off reading it make sure you read the final paragraph! If accurate the final paragraph pretty much contradicts the rest of the article. (Also the 1909 reference seems to contradict much of the contents also).http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_17298.htmlhttp://snipurl.com/63slRodney.

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

Good point. The same may apply to the Mcs article. While I

wouldn't recommend anyone to eat anything from Mcs, the

article's author was eating a daily excess of >2900 calories. That

is an EXCESS of 2900, not 2900 in total. His total daily caloric

intake must have been well over 5000, and he was avoiding taking any

avoidable exercise.

It would be interesting to know what would have happened if he had

been eating >5000 calories of anything else. My guess is the short

term (thirty day) effects would not have been remarkably different.

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> Hi Rodney,

> I think it says corn syrup and type 2 diabetes are associated

because it causes obesity and obesity causes T2 D.

> The last para indicates obesity without corn syrup also causes T2 D.

> One could say it's the user that causes it, by eating too much.

> One feature of corn syrup as opposed to sugar, is that it's

digested already.

>

> Regards.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rodney

>

> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:01 PM

> Subject: [ ] Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes

etc

>

>

> Hi folks:

>

> A kind of interesting article from the NIH website. Stop reading

> whenever you get bored with it. **BUT**, when you break off

reading

> it make sure you read the final paragraph! If accurate the final

> paragraph pretty much contradicts the rest of the article. (Also

the

> 1909 reference seems to contradict much of the contents also).

>

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_17298.html

>

> http://snipurl.com/63sl

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

In other words, in order for us to take him seriously he should have

had a control group that ate 5000 calories a day of 'healthy' food.

Rodney.

> > Hi Rodney,

> > I think it says corn syrup and type 2 diabetes are associated

> because it causes obesity and obesity causes T2 D.

> > The last para indicates obesity without corn syrup also causes T2

D.

> > One could say it's the user that causes it, by eating too much.

> > One feature of corn syrup as opposed to sugar, is that it's

> digested already.

> >

> > Regards.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Rodney

> >

> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:01 PM

> > Subject: [ ]

Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes

> etc

> >

> >

> > Hi folks:

> >

> > A kind of interesting article from the NIH website. Stop

reading

> > whenever you get bored with it. **BUT**, when you break off

> reading

> > it make sure you read the final paragraph! If accurate the

final

> > paragraph pretty much contradicts the rest of the article.

(Also

> the

> > 1909 reference seems to contradict much of the contents also).

> >

> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_17298.html

> >

> > http://snipurl.com/63sl

> >

> > Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rodney,

I think it's definitely an individual thing how much weight is added. Added calories do not mean necessarily added weight. I have a 47 yo son that lives on meat, potatoes, eats 4000+ calories, doesn't do heavy work or exercise, and remains at 135#, 6'0". His 45 yo bro is 215# and curbs his intake. So one person dumps more excess intake calories than the other. The one thing left out of the nutrition equation is that we don't know how much is wasted. I have 8 gchildren that eat all that fast food crap and are thin except one, the dau of a German girl.

All my family is mostly thin, but when we hit 40, something changes - another unsolved riddle. We do need slightly less calories do to lower BMR, but not much. To stop the weight increase we had to lower intake a LOT (1400kcals) . If I ate 2900 kcals my weight would zoom to at least 234# in 3 months, I'm sure.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:49 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes etc

Hi JW:Good point. The same may apply to the Mcs article. While I wouldn't recommend anyone to eat anything from Mcs, the article's author was eating a daily excess of >2900 calories. That is an EXCESS of 2900, not 2900 in total. His total daily caloric intake must have been well over 5000, and he was avoiding taking any avoidable exercise.It would be interesting to know what would have happened if he had been eating >5000 calories of anything else. My guess is the short term (thirty day) effects would not have been remarkably different.Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Right. Eat a 2 or 3 oz patty, caesar salad, coffee, ffmilk, or tea twice per day. Maybe scrambled egg for brkfst. Mind not to eat the "happy meal" patty - loaded with fat.

http://164.109.33.187/app_controller.nutrition.nutrition_tips.cut_calories.index.html

3 meals <1500 kcals.

Regards.

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

So in order to eat 5000 calories a day he must have been eating the

equivalent of at least TEN of those 'under 500 calorie' meals a day.

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> Right. Eat a 2 or 3 oz patty, caesar salad, coffee, ffmilk, or tea

twice per day. Maybe scrambled egg for brkfst. Mind not to eat

the " happy meal " patty - loaded with fat.

>

http://164.109.33.187/app_controller.nutrition.nutrition_tips.cut_calo

ries.index.html

> 3 meals <1500 kcals.

>

> Regards.

[Guest guest]

No, those are the rec'd meals. You can get a double meat, double cheese, - that's like two - 4oz patties and two - 1 oz cheese. Plus a family fries, and a shake.

It's the user that chooses.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:58 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes etc

Hi JW:So in order to eat 5000 calories a day he must have been eating the equivalent of at least TEN of those 'under 500 calorie' meals a day.Rodney.

[Guest guest]

I agree HFCS is not the only villian responsible for the increasing

incidence and prevalence of DM. Others include refined grains in all their

forms, decreased consumption of whole foods, and lack of exercise.

>From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Calories/obesity/carbohydrates/diabetes etc

>Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 19:01:02 -0000

>

>Hi folks:

>

>A kind of interesting article from the NIH website. Stop reading

>whenever you get bored with it. **BUT**, when you break off reading

>it make sure you read the final paragraph! If accurate the final

>paragraph pretty much contradicts the rest of the article. (Also the

>1909 reference seems to contradict much of the contents also).

>

>http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_17298.html

>

>http://snipurl.com/63sl

>

>Rodney.

>