RE: EMF shileding products

[Guest guest]

Towards the beginning of my awareness, I bought a q-link w/ a return policy and

then did further research and decided to return it. My initial research found

it mentioned in a reputable source with a study to back it up. Later on,

however, I realized that was all probably part of the scam.

BTW, I think Less EMF is pretty good about not having most of the typical scam

energetic protection devices, e.g., they don't have q-link and earthcalm, for

instance. What else did you buy besides Trifield?

Links Warning about Scams:

1. Blog by Alasdair Philips who I believe may be ES also:

http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/aphilips/viewcomments.asp?viewBlog=16 .

2. Article " Scams Galore " under http://www.microwavenews.com/

3. EMFacts Consultancy http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=1096

I'd recommend looking for a good building biologist in your area to check out

your home for problems such as body voltage, dimmers, etc.

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from

their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred

dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed-

I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a

trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is

still avoidance!

>

> I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found

have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if

anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have

had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has

gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

>

> any feedback appreciated.

>

> cheers,

> zoe

>

[Guest guest]

> Towards the beginning of my awareness, I bought a q-link w/ a return

> policy and then did further research and decided to return it. My

> initial research found it mentioned in a reputable source with a

> study to back it up. Later on, however, I realized that was all

> probably part of the scam.

Actually, some people here have had good results with the Q-Link,

so I wouldn't call it a scam at all. Maybe it didn't work for you

(although from your post it's not clear that you even tried it), but

you should never conclude that your results will match everyone

elses.

I've had good luck with several EMF protection devices:

-- most items from quantumproducts.com

-- springlife polarizers (which no longer seem to be available)

-- mega-chi pendant

-- earthcalm plug-in devices

-- personal polarizer from cutcat.com

Nothing on the above list is a complete cure for ES, but they've

all provided a noticeable amount of improvement in certain

situations. And preferable to trying to build an EMF-free

environment to isolate myself in.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

I've tried almost everything there is to try, Qlink, Earthcalm etc. All those

type of gizmo's did nothing, including the Quantum products...which i sent back

to get a refund. I'm pretty badly sensitive and feel almost everything, but I

have found a couple of things help...a bit.

Bought the silverell hoodie from lessEMF, that helps when I'm sitting at home

reading (obviously not watching tele!). With the hood up, my ears dont buzz as

much and I feel a bit calmer.

Recently, I have started taking Astragalus root food supplement which seems to

help a little bit too...but it is early days. I've also got the bed canopy made

of Naturell and sleep with the power turned off...this gives me a bit of

sanctury at night.

Hope this helps, if you want to message me personally feel free.

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from

their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred

dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed-

I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a

trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is

still avoidance!

>

> I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found

have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if

anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have

had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has

gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

>

> any feedback appreciated.

>

> cheers,

> zoe

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Zoe and all the recent Newbies,

 

I (and Marc the moderator) have had good experience with Quantum products--I

have tried a whole house emf " conditioner " (the Quantum Pro), their 3 plug

outlet strip, and the Quantum Companion.  The Companion didn't work for me due

to how I needed to use it.  But I really like the other 2 and think they

help.  HOWEVER, due to our bodies' needs being different, even these products

may not work for *you*.  We see this all the time here--some things work for

some people; other things work for other people. 

 

In the end, even tho these Q products have helped me, I have had much more

help by finding ways to make my body, itself, healthier--detox treatments,

better diet, raising my pH (because it was too low), using particular

supplements to address problem areas in my body, etc.....  

 

I have also addressed the needs of my house to make it much less emf

central--we've gone more to gas power (hot water, range, all gas furnace,

fridge...), bypassing electric altogether where possible, opted for manual tools

and appliances where possible, have nothing digital or wireless in our home,

changed wiring and designed a plan where the wiring we do have is behind

cabinets and not near where we sit or sleep, set up meters at the road and the

circuit box on the far end of the garage, fought to keep from having smart

meters (I lost to the water company, but the results still haven't been

horrible, as they buried the meter in a hole out at the road), etc.  Our house

power can actually be turned off now by a " kill " switch at the road, nightly;

and once we get our gas fridge, unless I am doing something which requires

electric, I could go some days without ever turning it back on. 

 

Addressing the house needs was pricey, but it is my sanctuary and I am doing

very well now (ES was not my only health concern--I have multiple health

problems and all of them are better).  I can still " feel " emfs sometimes, but

they barely affect me, and only for a few minutes usually.  There are

infrequent times I can feel emfs alot, but I have found ways to avoid

these.  If I had it to do over, I would have bought a house more in the

country, not in a neighborhood.  (I am not sure what will happen when the

smart meters are put in at full power, everywhere--my nieghbors are not going to

have theirs underground.) 

 

Many of you do not have the option to redo wiring or address anything in your

home, due to living in an apartment or with someone else.  However, you still

can work on addressing health needs to make yourself as strong as possible. 

Keep a notebook and list all possible things you personally can do or try in

it.  There are ideas mentioned here which help all the time.  This is not a

one fix problem.  You can get good results from multiple fixes and they do not

need to be as extensive as ours were--some are cost free.  I think perhaps we

are not far from having a treatment for tight junction permeability.  (We can

hope.)  How effective that might be is still not known, but I strongly believe

tight junctions can be made to open less easily.

 

Good luck,

Diane

From: electromagneticzoe <mscherrylane@...>

Subject: EMF shileding products

Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 4:40 AM

 

Hi,

I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from

their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred

dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed-

I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a

trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is

still avoidance!

I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found

have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if

anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have

had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has

gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

any feedback appreciated.

cheers,

zoe

[Guest guest]

to consider all these neutralizing devices as scam is too simple. Many

people experience relief from their ES symptoms, and there is also scientific

proof that these things work. Now there arises the question, why in many

cases it does not work. The answer due to my research is als follows.

Electromagnetic waves cause a biological effect mainly through the Tesla

waves contained in the normally measurable waves. These Tesla waves behave

somewhat different, than the measurable waves. They follow very peculiar laws

of resonance. A human body is a fairly good resonator for these waves,

q-link and all these others are also resonators, usually stronger than a human

body. Through their resonance the keep away the harmful radiation form the

human body and neutralize it. The problem of electrosensitive people is

that they have developed a much stronger resonance to these Tesla waves,

stronger than these devices and then the body absorbes these waves and the

symptoms persist.

A way to remedy this situation is to develop stronger resonators. I have

done this, but still quite a number of electrosensitives are not helped.

A second way is to use these laws of resonance more intelligently. This

resonance is also dependant on distance, the further away form the source of

radiation less good is the resonance and vice versa. So if you fix an

electrosmog neutralizing device to the relevant electric appliance, it my help,

while it did not help wearing it on the body. Being close to the source of

radiation the device my overcome the strong resonance of your body even if

it has a lower resonance than your body. This is the law of distance .

This is not speculation, this is the result of now 10 years of

experimentation with these Tesla waves.

Now the resonance of a human body may be different for different

frequencies, the resonance of a device also may be different for different

frequencies. This explains, why the experience with these devices is

individually so

different. But always generally valid is the law of resonance as described

above.

So, before discarding something as scam, use this knowledge and most

important let me know your results.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 31.05.2011 14:38:24 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

emraware@...:

Towards the beginning of my awareness, I bought a q-link w/ a return policy

and then did further research and decided to return it. My initial

research found it mentioned in a reputable source with a study to back it up.

Later on, however, I realized that was all probably part of the scam.

BTW, I think Less EMF is pretty good about not having most of the typical

scam energetic protection devices, e.g., they don't have q-link and

earthcalm, for instance. What else did you buy besides Trifield?

Links Warning about Scams:

1. Blog by Alasdair Philips who I believe may be ES also:

_http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/aphilips/viewcomments.asp?viewBlog=16_

(http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/aphilips/viewcomments.asp?viewBlog=16) .

2. Article " Scams Galore " under _http://www.microwavenews.com/_

(http://www.microwavenews.com/)

3. EMFacts Consultancy _http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=1096_

(http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=1096)

I'd recommend looking for a good building biologist in your area to check

out your home for problems such as body voltage, dimmers, etc.

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say

from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received

several hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm

pretty disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even

measuring with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the

best solution is still avoidance!

>

> I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they

found have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested

to know if anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I

personally have had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but

my sensitivity has gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that

helpful.

>

> any feedback appreciated.

>

> cheers,

> zoe

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think

avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse

box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to

cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal

static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.

I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can

feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested

for my self by a chiropractor.

HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO

NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and

cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying

for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of

the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue

leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my

displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is

any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.

Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my

laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no

difference whether it was there or not.

I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting

vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make

sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl

cost a fortune to pay the sending back and " restocking " fee. Please spread the

word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!

cheers

[Guest guest]

Ho, ho,

not so fast.

There are a few things to consider.

First of all, no gizmo is capable of changing anything to the elektrosmog.

None can do that.

The transversal waves, we can measure and shield, remain quite the same.

However, the accompanying longitudnial waves, which we can not measure, may be

absorbed by some gizmo's.

Some do better, some do worse.

If these longitudinal waves are absorbed, you may feel better.

There are other gizmo's, which do nothing to the longitudinal waves, but may

improve your damaged immune system.

And when the immune system is repaired (temporarily), you may feel better.

Of course it all depends on your personal condition.

When you are too far gone, only gizmo's which may repair the damaged immune

system, can give relief, and the longitudinal wave absorbers cannot do that.

When you are a fair electrosensitive, you can profit from both the gizmo types.

The human body has some vectors which are running in a certain direction.

Some gizmo's can turn these vectors in the wrong direction, or too fast.

One can experience then adverse effects.

Also, the body must get used to the gizmo's; sometimes their working is too

strong.

In that case, leave them at a certain distance to the body, in order to get used

to them, and then get them closer by time.

A Trifield meter may be nice, but it cannot measure much. It has too much

limitations.

One should use its own personal meter, every electrosensitive owns; your own

body.

Do not pay attention what other people say.

Listen to your own body, but take your time.

Take your time.

Wait till the adverse health effects are worn out, and then try again.

Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which

even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for

electrosensitives.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: EMF shileding products

Hi everyone,

Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think

avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse

box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to

cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal

static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.

I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can

feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested

for my self by a chiropractor.

HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO

NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and

cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying

for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of

the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue

leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my

displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is

any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.

Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my

laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no

difference whether it was there or not.

I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting

vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make

sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl

cost a fortune to pay the sending back and " restocking " fee. Please spread the

word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!

cheers

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi, . I was just wondering, could you give an example of longitudinal vs.

transversal waves & what are some sources of each? Also, I noticed you speak

about absorbing rather than deflecting (shielding). Do you (or anyone else) know

which products have been best for absorbing? 

I think I was helped by a rose quartz necklace yesterday, but only a very tiny

bit. Maybe there's sthg. that might help more? I consider myself to be EXTREMELY

electro-sensitive @ this point, & just in the last 3-4 days, for reasons I can't

fathom, I've become waaaay more sensitive to WiFi. The  CNS damage is still

continuing, even tho I haven't been near a Smart Meter in months...

-E. Drew

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:43 AM

 

Ho, ho,

not so fast.

There are a few things to consider.

First of all, no gizmo is capable of changing anything to the elektrosmog.

None can do that.

The transversal waves, we can measure and shield, remain quite the same.

However, the accompanying longitudnial waves, which we can not measure, may be

absorbed by some gizmo's.

Some do better, some do worse.

If these longitudinal waves are absorbed, you may feel better.

There are other gizmo's, which do nothing to the longitudinal waves, but may

improve your damaged immune system.

And when the immune system is repaired (temporarily), you may feel better.

Of course it all depends on your personal condition.

When you are too far gone, only gizmo's which may repair the damaged immune

system, can give relief, and the longitudinal wave absorbers cannot do that.

When you are a fair electrosensitive, you can profit from both the gizmo types.

The human body has some vectors which are running in a certain direction.

Some gizmo's can turn these vectors in the wrong direction, or too fast.

One can experience then adverse effects.

Also, the body must get used to the gizmo's; sometimes their working is too

strong.

In that case, leave them at a certain distance to the body, in order to get used

to them, and then get them closer by time.

A Trifield meter may be nice, but it cannot measure much. It has too much

limitations.

One should use its own personal meter, every electrosensitive owns; your own

body.

Do not pay attention what other people say.

Listen to your own body, but take your time.

Take your time.

Wait till the adverse health effects are worn out, and then try again.

Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which

even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for

electrosensitives.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: EMF shileding products

Hi everyone,

Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think

avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse

box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to

cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal

static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.

I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can

feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested

for my self by a chiropractor.

HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO

NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and

cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying

for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of

the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue

leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my

displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is

any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.

Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my

laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no

difference whether it was there or not.

I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting

vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make

sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl

cost a fortune to pay the sending back and " restocking " fee. Please spread the

word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!

cheers

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

wrote;

" Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which

even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for

electrosensitives. '

, if you can measure them, why can't Dr. Havas?

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEmergies.com

[Guest guest]

Hello Shivani,

because I have special detectors with very special antennas, and when I have

found spots, I measure them with a special spectrumanalyser, with a differential

probe for the electricity, and a special antenna for in the air.

(I am Beta tester for two manufacturors of measuring equipment.)

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: EMF shileding products

wrote;

" Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*,

which even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for

electrosensitives. '

, if you can measure them, why can't Dr. Havas?

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEmergies.com

[Guest guest]

I believe that for sure. The emf & rf are reading low per biologist but I am

still getting fried here. Dirty electricity of frequencies that are not

measured?!  Loni

From: charles <charles@...>

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 12:09 AM

 

Hello Shivani,

because I have special detectors with very special antennas, and when I have

found spots, I measure them with a special spectrumanalyser, with a differential

probe for the electricity, and a special antenna for in the air.

(I am Beta tester for two manufacturors of measuring equipment.)

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: EMF shileding products

wrote;

" Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which

even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for

electrosensitives. '

, if you can measure them, why can't Dr. Havas?

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEmergies.com

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their " Traditional

Scalar Resonator " for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I

teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as

they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls

kids play with). That is what I call a scam.

Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search

solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel

better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!

Best to to you all,

Azatyk

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from

their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred

dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed-

I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a

trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is

still avoidance!

> >

> > I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found

have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if

anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have

had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has

gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

> >

> > any feedback appreciated.

> >

> > cheers,

> > zoe

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My in put.

Many of these " products " that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the

symptoms.

Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who feel " a

difference " in the

beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are

actuallly getting worse-

instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think about

it. A marketing spin

makes the product " sound " like it is blocking the field, or " harmonizing " the

field...so people feel a

positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is

masking/hiding the effects,

to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up spending

more time in

these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up making

that person even

more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body was

giving to

tell us " hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body " are

being masked. So because

there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still

there..this can be a very

dangerous experiment.

I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the fast

so called

" fixes " that regular medicne promises with their " pills " . These co's know that

most people

today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the commercials... " just

take a pill "

and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the same

spin. Just

wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)

Avoidance, shielded clothing, nutrition, supporting both thyroid and adrenals,

and high

quality anti-oxidants (Tumeric capsules/ Astaxanthin-read on both at

Mercola.com) Magnesium

Chloride OIl (google Mark Sircus), Iodine- there are Iodine receptors in all

organs of the body, (google:

Brownstein)

Baking Soda (again, see Mark Sircus- Sodium Bicarbonate- this helps to alkalize

the body* radiation

will make the body ACIDIC), and for those willing to do the extra research:

Magnet Therapy and

Accupressure Therapy, both can be learned and done at home, and this is valuable

because these

dangerous fields throw the body's electrical system OFF...so the above two

therapies help to restore

the body to its correct polarity.

Lizzie

From: azatyk@...

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:46:47 +0000

Subject: Re: EMF shileding products

Hi,

I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their " Traditional

Scalar Resonator " for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I

teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as

they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls

kids play with). That is what I call a scam.

Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search

solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel

better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!

Best to to you all,

Azatyk

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from

their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred

dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed-

I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a

trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is

still avoidance!

> >

> > I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found

have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if

anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have

had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has

gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

> >

> > any feedback appreciated.

> >

> > cheers,

> > zoe

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam.

Uhh, I never said that many of these products are a scam.

However, from our experiences here, many of these products

are not helpful to people with electrical sensitivity.

However, I have certainly found a few that are indeed helpful.

As for the question of whether these are actually " healthy "

(improving health vs. masking symptoms), that is a more

difficult question. I know that some of these devices relieve

my allergy symptoms, chemical sensitivities, and help me

overcome colds and flus, so I see these as " healthy "

products.

Marc

[Guest guest]

My apologies...I stand corrected.

But " I " still believe that many products do mask the symptoms.

Allergies are always a symptom of stressed adrenals.

Curious...what happens to the allergies when you

don't use/wear the product? Because if there's any

healing going on, the symptoms should lessen after awhile

without wearing/using the product. But

if said product is only blocking, then the problem

is still there. And that is why there is a potential

for danger in this area. The danger lies in covering up

the bodys natural response to stress..which the adrenals

are the body's built in stress busters.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:22:01 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: EMF shileding products

> I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam.

Uhh, I never said that many of these products are a scam.

However, from our experiences here, many of these products

are not helpful to people with electrical sensitivity.

However, I have certainly found a few that are indeed helpful.

As for the question of whether these are actually " healthy "

(improving health vs. masking symptoms), that is a more

difficult question. I know that some of these devices relieve

my allergy symptoms, chemical sensitivities, and help me

overcome colds and flus, so I see these as " healthy "

products.

Marc

[Guest guest]

No, that is not the way it is.

There are quite different *gizmo's* on the market.

A lot of them are just rubbish, with a lot of gibberish talk about quantum

technology.

(There are perhaps a handful persons in the world who do know about quantum

technology.)

Most gizmo's don't change anything to the transversal waves. That can be checked

with any meter easily.

So harmonizing, neutralizing, changing into good, is utterly nonsense and pure

lies.

There are gizmo's who can absorb longitudinal waves. That way you may feel

better.

There are gizmo's who do nothing about longitudinal waves, but can improve your

immune system. That way, you feel better.

So, in my opinion, it is best to use both last two mentioned.

Be also aware, that you may carry a lot of parasites, worms, virusses and

bacteria.

Here frequency therapy (Rife/) is the best way to battle.

And when you have beaten one, the next one is attacking you. And so forth.

Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnet therapy.

Accupressure Therapy on the other hand is very good.

See:

http://www.mcreflexology.com/tools/tool_package.html Tool Package set R-16H.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: EMF shileding products

Hi,

I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their

" Traditional Scalar Resonator " for a year or so. Since it did not give any

tangible result, I teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as

copper circuits as they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls

(the kind of pearls kids play with). That is what I call a scam.

Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search

solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel

better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!

Best to to you all,

Azatyk

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say

from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several

hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty

disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring

with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution

is still avoidance!

> >

> > I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they

found have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to

know if anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I

personally have had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my

sensitivity has gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

> >

> > any feedback appreciated.

> >

> > cheers,

> > zoe

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you .

Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you have...to be able

to decipher which exact technical combination of: fields/energies/ect set us

off...so the translation ends

up being: wifi bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances bother

some, electrical fields bother

some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.

Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of " longitudinal waves " ?

For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical appliances?

Or bad wiring? Or ???

And perhaps you could share with us, " which " gadgets that in your view

help to improve the immune system, and how they work?

I can see where this information just might be very helpful to many people.

As to accupressure, there is a book that is based on pressure point therapy

that is vey similiar to accupressure, only it requires no tools. This is

especially

useful for those with limited budgets. You use your fingers in this technique.

The book is called: " Healing with Pressure Point Therapy " by Jack Forem &

Steve Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to read,

and you can do these techniques anywhere.

Lizzie

From: charles@...

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:37:16 +0200

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

No, that is not the way it is.

There are quite different *gizmo's* on the market.

A lot of them are just rubbish, with a lot of gibberish talk about quantum

technology.

(There are perhaps a handful persons in the world who do know about quantum

technology.)

Most gizmo's don't change anything to the transversal waves. That can be checked

with any meter easily.

So harmonizing, neutralizing, changing into good, is utterly nonsense and pure

lies.

There are gizmo's who can absorb longitudinal waves. That way you may feel

better.

There are gizmo's who do nothing about longitudinal waves, but can improve your

immune system. That way, you feel better.

So, in my opinion, it is best to use both last two mentioned.

Be also aware, that you may carry a lot of parasites, worms, virusses and

bacteria.

Here frequency therapy (Rife/) is the best way to battle.

And when you have beaten one, the next one is attacking you. And so forth.

Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnet therapy.

Accupressure Therapy on the other hand is very good.

See:

http://www.mcreflexology.com/tools/tool_package.html Tool Package set R-16H.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: EMF shileding products

Hi,

I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their " Traditional

Scalar Resonator " for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I

teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as

they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls

kids play with). That is what I call a scam.

Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search

solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel

better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!

Best to to you all,

Azatyk

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from

their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred

dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed-

I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a

trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is

still avoidance!

> >

> > I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found

have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if

anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have

had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has

gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

> >

> > any feedback appreciated.

> >

> > cheers,

> > zoe

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

as a medical doctor, researcher of electrosmog since 2001 and also

developer of one of these " products " I have to comment this idea that these

products are only masking the symptoms. This puts a very dangerous idea in to

the

heads of the people and a wrong one. Just look into some experiments i did.

If you irradiate normal tap water with a mobile phone, in

electroacupuncture this water tests then quite negative. If you repeat this with

a mobile

phone where one of this products is attached, the water remains the same as

before. Where is the masking? How can the water be masked?

If with this water you grow wheat germs, with the normal irradiated water

you will find a retarded growth, with the protected water you will find

normal growth as with the original water. Where is the masking?

If you take a strong antioxydant like mega-H fo Flanagen, this may reduce

the symptoms of ES by reducing the radicals produced by RF, but the damage

is still there. This may be called masking.

If you use metallic shielding, that does still allow the longitudinal

waves, responsible for the health hazard, to penetrate But their character in

electroacupuncture is turned positve, which is a strange phenomenon. So

people feel a relief, but very often the do not feel comfortable with this

after

some time. This is because these longitudinal waves still transport the

low frequency modulation, which is the actual harmful factor. This is masking.

About the idea, that many of these product are scam i only can say, i have

only in very rare cases tested products that did not show an effect.

Somethimes the effect was only 30%. And because electrosensitive people have a

strong resonance to these longitudinal waves, stronger than normal people,

their resonance is often stronger than that of these products, and then they

are not helped and say the product is scam. I could help quite a few

people, that did not benefit with my general product, with a specificly

designed

product with a much stronger resonance. You can see this also in the

postings in this list about various products and various editions of the same

company.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 18:18:23 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

lizt777@...:

Many of these " products " that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the

symptoms.

Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who

feel " a difference " in the

beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are

actuallly getting worse-

instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think

about it. A marketing spin

makes the product " sound " like it is blocking the field, or " harmonizing "

the field...so people feel a

positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is

masking/hiding the effects,

to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up

spending more time in

these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up

making that person even

more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body

was giving to

tell us " hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body "

are being masked. So because

there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still

there..this can be a very

dangerous experiment.

I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the

fast so called

" fixes " that regular medicne promises with their " pills " . These co's know

that most people

today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the

commercials... " just take a pill "

and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the

same spin. Just

wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I can appreciate what you just stated.

And I would be very interested to know what kind of products you make, and how

they work.

I will also say that there are a ton of products being sold here, in the US,

and

though it is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as scams go- one of the

products own manufacturers,

a well known scientist mind you, who headed the Motorolla cell phone study, back

in the late 90's-

admitted in a public statement, that products he endorsed, the BioPro stickers-

which were supposed to block radiation from cell phones,

didn't work. From the horse's own mouth, came this admission, mind you.

Thousands of

people bought that product believing they had protection from cell phone

radiation-

only to find out years later, that the product really DIDN " T work.

That is only one example. I didn't say " ALL " products are a scam, but quite

simply,

I will say this, with all due respect: " If there are products out there that DO

WORK,

that block the longtitudinal waves, and other emf's.... " there's over ten

million people

and that's probably a very low estimate, that I'm fairly certain would LOVE to

find

a product that would help protect them from these nasty life draining, life

sucking

energies. I welcome you to share whatever information you have.....

As for masking the symptoms...I stand by what I said.

And as a medical doctor, it would seem to me, that you, of all people,

would understand how dangerous the masking of symptoms would be.

In all fairness, I have noticed the research is much better in other

countries, having started much earlier, then in the US.

So with this said, if you have a product that blocks wireless radiation, or

dirty electricity, or high electric fields, whatever frequencies..

please post your co's information so I can see this information.

Thank You.

Lizzie

From: Gruendg@...

Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:35:46 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

Hi Dietrich,

as a medical doctor, researcher of electrosmog since 2001 and also

developer of one of these " products " I have to comment this idea that these

products are only masking the symptoms. This puts a very dangerous idea in to

the

heads of the people and a wrong one. Just look into some experiments i did.

If you irradiate normal tap water with a mobile phone, in

electroacupuncture this water tests then quite negative. If you repeat this with

a mobile

phone where one of this products is attached, the water remains the same as

before. Where is the masking? How can the water be masked?

If with this water you grow wheat germs, with the normal irradiated water

you will find a retarded growth, with the protected water you will find

normal growth as with the original water. Where is the masking?

If you take a strong antioxydant like mega-H fo Flanagen, this may reduce

the symptoms of ES by reducing the radicals produced by RF, but the damage

is still there. This may be called masking.

If you use metallic shielding, that does still allow the longitudinal

waves, responsible for the health hazard, to penetrate But their character in

electroacupuncture is turned positve, which is a strange phenomenon. So

people feel a relief, but very often the do not feel comfortable with this after

some time. This is because these longitudinal waves still transport the

low frequency modulation, which is the actual harmful factor. This is masking.

About the idea, that many of these product are scam i only can say, i have

only in very rare cases tested products that did not show an effect.

Somethimes the effect was only 30%. And because electrosensitive people have a

strong resonance to these longitudinal waves, stronger than normal people,

their resonance is often stronger than that of these products, and then they

are not helped and say the product is scam. I could help quite a few

people, that did not benefit with my general product, with a specificly designed

product with a much stronger resonance. You can see this also in the

postings in this list about various products and various editions of the same

company.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 18:18:23 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

lizt777@...:

Many of these " products " that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the

symptoms.

Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who

feel " a difference " in the

beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are

actuallly getting worse-

instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think

about it. A marketing spin

makes the product " sound " like it is blocking the field, or " harmonizing "

the field...so people feel a

positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is

masking/hiding the effects,

to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up

spending more time in

these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up

making that person even

more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body

was giving to

tell us " hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body "

are being masked. So because

there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still

there..this can be a very

dangerous experiment.

I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the

fast so called

" fixes " that regular medicne promises with their " pills " . These co's know

that most people

today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the

commercials... " just take a pill "

and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the

same spin. Just

wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)

[Guest guest]

I would echo what Lizzie says in her post. I would be very very interested to

know about any product Dr Gruen  might have - which might be of more benefit in

combatting ES. I have been wearing a bioprotect card for about 2 years; however

even while wearing it I sometimes experience very strong sensations of pulsing

and vibrating electric fields which are very worrying and distressing to know

that my body is being subjected to in my own home. Maybe I am deluding myself,

but at those times, which can last for maybe 5-7 days at a stretch (and there

have been about 4 of those so far this year) I tell myself to try to disregard

them and not think about them and remind myself that I am wearing my bioprotect

card which must be helping my body even if I am conscious that I am experiencing

these sensations. So my question is this - am I deluding myself?? if I am

experiencing what I have described, even though I constantly wear the Bioprotect

card, does this mean that it isn't offering me any protection? I would very much

welcome an answer to this specific question since if the Bioprotect card isn't

helping me, and I am still being left exposed,  then I should be looking for

something else which  might be a better product.

Thanks

Steph

________________________________

From: thode <lizt777@...>

esens

Sent: Fri, 19 August, 2011 4:40:13

Subject: RE: Re: EMF shileding products

Hi,

I can appreciate what you just stated.

And I would be very interested to know what kind of products you make, and how

they work.

I will also say that there are a ton  of products being sold here, in the US,

and

though it is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as scams go-  one of the

products own manufacturers,

a well known scientist mind you, who headed the Motorolla cell phone study, back

in the late 90's-

admitted in a public statement, that products he endorsed, the BioPro stickers-

  which were supposed to block radiation from cell phones, 

didn't work. From the horse's own mouth, came this admission, mind you.

Thousands of

people bought that product believing they had protection from cell phone

radiation-

only to find out years later, that the product really DIDN " T work.

That is only one example. I didn't say " ALL " products are a scam, but quite

simply,

I will say this, with all due respect: " If there are products out there that DO

WORK,

that block the longtitudinal waves, and other emf's.... " there's over ten

million people

and that's probably a very low estimate, that I'm  fairly certain would LOVE to

find

a product that would help protect them from these nasty life draining, life

sucking

energies. I welcome you to share whatever information you have.....

As for masking the symptoms...I stand by what I said.

And as a medical doctor, it would seem to me, that you, of all people,

would understand how dangerous the masking of symptoms would be.

In all fairness, I have noticed the research is much better in other

countries, having started much earlier, then in the US.

So with this said, if you have a product that blocks wireless radiation, or

dirty electricity, or high electric fields, whatever frequencies..

please post your co's information so I can see this information.

Thank You.

Lizzie

From: Gruendg@...

Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:35:46 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

 

Hi Dietrich,

as a medical doctor, researcher of electrosmog since 2001 and also

developer of one of these " products " I have to comment this idea that these

products are only masking the symptoms. This puts a very dangerous idea in to

the

heads of the people and a wrong one. Just look into some experiments i did.

If you irradiate normal tap water with a mobile phone, in

electroacupuncture this water tests then quite negative. If you repeat this with

a mobile

phone where one of this products is attached, the water remains the same as

before. Where is the masking? How can the water be masked?

If with this water you grow wheat germs, with the normal irradiated water

you will find a retarded growth, with the protected water you will find

normal growth as with the original water. Where is the masking?

If you take a strong antioxydant like mega-H fo Flanagen, this may reduce

the symptoms of ES by reducing the radicals produced by RF, but the damage

is still there. This may be called masking.

If you use metallic shielding, that does still allow the longitudinal

waves, responsible for the health hazard, to penetrate But their character in

electroacupuncture is turned positve, which is a strange phenomenon. So

people feel a relief, but very often the do not feel comfortable with this after

some time. This is because these longitudinal waves still transport the

low frequency modulation, which is the actual harmful factor. This is masking.

About the idea, that many of these product are scam i only can say, i have

only in very rare cases tested products that did not show an effect.

Somethimes the effect was only 30%. And because electrosensitive people have a

strong resonance to these longitudinal waves, stronger than normal people,

their resonance is often stronger than that of these products, and then they

are not helped and say the product is scam. I could help quite a few

people, that did not benefit with my general product, with a specificly designed

product with a much stronger resonance. You can see this also in the

postings in this list about various products and various editions of the same

company.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 18:18:23 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

lizt777@...:

Many of these " products " that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the

symptoms.

Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who

feel " a difference " in the

beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are

actuallly getting worse-

instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think

about it. A marketing spin

makes the product " sound " like it is blocking the field, or " harmonizing "

the field...so people feel a

positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is

masking/hiding the effects,

to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up

spending more time in

these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up

making that person even

more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body

was giving to

tell us " hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body "

are being masked. So because

there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still

there..this can be a very

dangerous experiment.

I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the

fast so called

" fixes " that regular medicne promises with their " pills " . These co's know

that most people

today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the

commercials... " just take a pill "

and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the

same spin. Just

wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)

[Guest guest]

> Thousands of

> people bought that product believing they had protection from cell phone

radiation-

> only to find out years later, that the product really DIDN " T work.

Presumably the scenario with an electrically sensitive person is

different:

1) ES person buys a BioPro product (or whatever)

2) After a week of using it, notices no difference in their

health or sensitivities

3) Concludes it does not work for them, and returns it

This group has been active for many years, and I cannot remember

*anyone* ever saying that a BioPro product helped their ES...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi,

concerniing longitudinal waves, has this knowlede first got from

me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any

electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my research

I

first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that

there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even

into some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful

effect. This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.

And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information

through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in

alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state

that

they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought

not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed

not to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.

As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information

,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you

basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic

pollution.

dietrich

In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

lizt777@...:

Thank you .

Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you have...to be able

to decipher which exact technical combination of: fields/energies/ect set

us off...so the translation ends

up being: wifi bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances

bother some, electrical fields bother

some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.

Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of " longitudinal waves " ?

For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical

appliances?

Or bad wiring? Or ???

And perhaps you could share with us, " which " gadgets that in your view

help to improve the immune system, and how they work?

I can see where this information just might be very helpful to many people.

As to accupressure, there is a book that is based on pressure point therapy

that is vey similiar to accupressure, only it requires no tools. This is

especially

useful for those with limited budgets. You use your fingers in this

technique.

The book is called: " Healing with Pressure Point Therapy " by Jack Forem &

Steve Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to

read,

and you can do these techniques anywhere.

Lizzie

[Guest guest]

There are many of us with different level of sensitivities.

If a person had worse symptoms from a  hat or other shedding

coated cloth , would that mean the person is sensitive to longitude waves?

The hat helps me concentrate, but at the same time causes more jittery feelings,

if that makes sense? I couldn't' handle a faraday cage. Caused tingling feelings

that went into burning & nausea. But I used it when we had all 3 amr meters.

I need help to lessen the effects. I can hardly stand being in a store, with

their

cfl's. 

Kathy 

calicocat477@...

From: Gruendg@... <Gruendg@...>

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 6:01 PM

 

Hi,

concerniing longitudinal waves, has this knowlede first got from

me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any

electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my research

I

first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that

there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even

into some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful

effect. This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.

And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information

through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in

alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state

that

they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought

not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed

not to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.

As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information

,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you

basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic

pollution.

dietrich

In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

lizt777@...:

Thank you .

Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you have...to be able

to decipher which exact technical combination of: fields/energies/ect set

us off...so the translation ends

up being: wifi bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances

bother some, electrical fields bother

some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.

Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of " longitudinal waves " ?

For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical

appliances?

Or bad wiring? Or ???

And perhaps you could share with us, " which " gadgets that in your view

help to improve the immune system, and how they work?

I can see where this information just might be very helpful to many people.

As to accupressure, there is a book that is based on pressure point therapy

that is vey similiar to accupressure, only it requires no tools. This is

especially

useful for those with limited budgets. You use your fingers in this

technique.

The book is called: " Healing with Pressure Point Therapy " by Jack Forem &

Steve Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to

read,

and you can do these techniques anywhere.

Lizzie

[Guest guest]

Oddly enough, I had read this page as research before I purchased the Bioprotect

card, so I know what his product is  

 however, he referred to other products and I wanted to find out more about

these

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From: Marc <marc@...>

Sent: Fri, 19 August, 2011 15:13:45

Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

 

> I would echo what Lizzie says in her post. I would be very very interested to

> know about any product Dr Gruen  might have - which might be of more benefit

in

>

> combatting ES. I have been wearing a bioprotect card for about 2 years

Well, his product *is* the BioProtect card! If you want to learn more

about it, I'd suggest reading this web page:

http://golden-ray.com/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=5 & Itemid=14

Marc

[Guest guest]

Some years ago when my ES was worse, I bought some shielding cloth with the idea

I could make it in to a hat. Anyhow, I picked it up, folded it in to a triangle,

flipped it in the air preparing to try it out as a headscarf and it hit me

almost like a bolt of lightning.

I didn't want to be within feet of the wallpaper.

the supplier didn't have answers, except that he'd seen it happen to a friend.

Can't recall which organisation I contacted next but they suggested that I had

more aberrant electrical activity inside of me than without???

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> There are many of us with different level of sensitivities.

> If a person had worse symptoms from a  hat or other shedding

> coated cloth , would that mean the person is sensitive to longitude waves?

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> The hat helps me concentrate, but at the same time causes more jittery

feelings,

> if that makes sense? I couldn't' handle a faraday cage. Caused tingling

feelings

> that went into burning & nausea. But I used it when we had all 3 amr meters.

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> I need help to lessen the effects. I can hardly stand being in a store, with

their

> cfl's. 

>

> Kathy 

> calicocat477@...

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> From: Gruendg@... <Gruendg@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: EMF shileding products

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> Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 6:01 PM

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> Hi,

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> concerniing longitudinal waves, has this knowlede first got from

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> me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any

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> electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my

research I

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> first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that

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> there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even

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> into some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful

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> effect. This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.

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> And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information

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> through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in

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> alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state

that

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> they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought

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> not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed

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> not to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.

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> As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information

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> ,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you

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> basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic

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> dietrich

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> In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

>

> lizt777@...:

>

>

>

> Thank you .

>

> Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you have...to be able

>

> to decipher which exact technical combination of: fields/energies/ect set

>

> us off...so the translation ends

>

> up being: wifi bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances

>

> bother some, electrical fields bother

>

> some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.

>

>

>

> Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of " longitudinal waves " ?

>

> For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical

>

> appliances?

>

> Or bad wiring? Or ???

>

> And perhaps you could share with us, " which " gadgets that in your view

>

> help to improve the immune system, and how they work?

>

>

>

> I can see where this information just might be very helpful to many people.

>

>

>

> As to accupressure, there is a book that is based on pressure point therapy

>

> that is vey similiar to accupressure, only it requires no tools. This is

>

> especially

>

> useful for those with limited budgets. You use your fingers in this

>

> technique.

>

> The book is called: " Healing with Pressure Point Therapy " by Jack Forem &

>

> Steve Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to

>

> read,

>

> and you can do these techniques anywhere.

>

> Lizzie

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