Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Natasha- I am surprised Aidan's measurements are similar to Dane's. From his pictures I thought he was probably going to measure about 2 mm of asymmetry! I think he looks great! Dane's facial asymmetry was 8 mm, skull base was 4 mm and cranial vault was 14 mm. I don't know about his ears, but they were REALLY bad! The flat spot didn't bother us nearly as much as the facial and ear asymmetry. Dane's mom DOC Grad > Aidan had his measurements for preauthorization at CT today in > Atlanta. Still not sure if I am going forward or not with this but > just in case..... Anyway, his ear misalignment was 8 mm and head > asymmetry was 13 mm. Just wondering about other plagio babies > measurements.... Thanks, Natasha > > PS I posted this on the positional plagio board too so I apologize > for any duplicates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Hi Natasha: What did CT say? Did they recommend banding Aidan? Sorry, Abby didn't have measurements done, so I can't help you Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad MI > Aidan had his measurements for preauthorization at CT today in > Atlanta. Still not sure if I am going forward or not with this but > just in case..... Anyway, his ear misalignment was 8 mm and head > asymmetry was 13 mm. Just wondering about other plagio babies > measurements.... Thanks, Natasha > > PS I posted this on the positional plagio board too so I apologize > for any duplicates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Debbie, CT has recommended banding all along but the neuro that CT recommended said he was too mild but gave me a script anyway. I still haven't made a decision yet but thought I'd get the insurance paperwork ready. Natasha "debbieandabby <dj2kirby@...>" <dj2kirby@...> wrote: Hi Natasha:What did CT say? Did they recommend banding Aidan?Sorry, Abby didn't have measurements done, so I can't help you :(Debbie Abby's mom DOCGradMI> Aidan had his measurements for preauthorization at CT today in > Atlanta. Still not sure if I am going forward or not with this but > just in case..... Anyway, his ear misalignment was 8 mm and head > asymmetry was 13 mm. Just wondering about other plagio babies > measurements.... Thanks, Natasha> > PS I posted this on the positional plagio board too so I apologize > for any duplicates :)For more plagio info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Hi Kathleen, I think assymetry is when one side of the face/head looks different from the other side. has this, his right eye, cheekbone, forehead and ear are all noticeably pushed forward in comparison to the left side. I am not too familiar with brachy, but from what I do know I would think that if he has flatness across the entire back of the head (not just on one side) the assymetry might not be present. As far as being off from the " norm " , here are some links I found helpful after 's measurements had been taken. I hope they will also help you. http://www.plagiocephaly.org/resources/morphology.htm http://www.bioanth.org/biomed/anthropometry.htm Teri, Mom to , STARbandit 4/25/03 > Hi everyone, > > A quick thanks to all for the words of encouragement regarding my > last post. It was one of those days and I really appreciate your > support. More than you will ever know > > Often when I read the CT discussion board and some of the messages > posted here measurements are discussed. I want to understand this > and hope someone can help. My son has a dx of bracy (severe). When > he was measured at CT I was told he is two standard deviations from > the norm. I was also told he does not have any assymetry or if he > does it is extremely mild? Is it possible to have the severe flatness > in the back with no assymetry? We have our two week appt. on Mon and > I will ask my question at that time but in the meantime if anyone can > help me understand this more I would greatly appreciate it. When I > was in last I assumed each visit measurements would be taken but she > said it is a time for adjusting the band and comparing Max's head > with the " headsickle. " > > Max has been in his band for a month now and I am still learning how > it all works. I appreciate any info you can pass on. Thanks in > advance! > > Kathleen (Max's mom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Thanks Teri! I appreciate your response...the links were helpful! I'm trying to really understand all of the lingo and how it all fits together. I hope is doing well in his band All the best! Kathleen (Max's mom) > > Hi everyone, > > > > A quick thanks to all for the words of encouragement regarding my > > last post. It was one of those days and I really appreciate your > > support. More than you will ever know > > > > Often when I read the CT discussion board and some of the messages > > posted here measurements are discussed. I want to understand this > > and hope someone can help. My son has a dx of bracy (severe). > When > > he was measured at CT I was told he is two standard deviations from > > the norm. I was also told he does not have any assymetry or if he > > does it is extremely mild? Is it possible to have the severe > flatness > > in the back with no assymetry? We have our two week appt. on Mon > and > > I will ask my question at that time but in the meantime if anyone > can > > help me understand this more I would greatly appreciate it. When I > > was in last I assumed each visit measurements would be taken but > she > > said it is a time for adjusting the band and comparing Max's head > > with the " headsickle. " > > > > Max has been in his band for a month now and I am still learning > how > > it all works. I appreciate any info you can pass on. Thanks in > > advance! > > > > Kathleen (Max's mom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Randi - I had been asking the same thing. I was frustrated because I kept hearing how many mm was off in this area and that area. I was beginning to think that he would never be " normal " but then I realized that normal does not neccesarily mean perfect. Our physical therapist/orthotist said that assymetries are considered normal if they range from 0 - 4 mm. Of course, that is just one person's opinion. Debbie ( C's mom DOCbanded 4-29-03) > Hello all-- > Does anyone know what the " normal " range of measurements are for > assymmetry? We are going on Wed to have measurements taken for > evaluation, and just wondered what was " normal " . > RAndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 never had any measurements but I can tell you it is very subjective. I am going to cut and paste a previous post about measurements from CTI for you info. beck Here is a copy and paste about measurements that is informative and > might be helpful for you. > Correction is typically assessed visually - both by physicians and > therapists. Anthropometric measurements are used primarily for > research and for some insurance companies. However, the measurements > are only a tool- they have significant limitations and most > physicians & therapists do not use them in making decisions regarding > treatment. Anthropometric measurements are linear, 2-dimensional > measurements on what can be a very complex, 3-dimensional shape.use > bony landmarks on the head. If the flattening is above or below a > specific measurement - the numbers will indicate the head is looking > pretty good when in fact, it isn't. The opposite can also happen - > the measurement can show quite a bit of asymmetry when in fact the > head is looking much better. > > I would say 95% of the children we treat have received their > perscription for treatment based on a visual assessment. Even when CT > Scans etc are done, these are done to rule out other diagnosis and > are not used to determine treatment. It is not unusual that a child > does not have anthropometric measurements as they are not part of our > treatment protocol. Assessment of our treatment is done using the 3- > dimension beginnning model of the infant's head. The therapist > should be able to point out areas of correction and areas still > requiring further improvement. > > > this is a previous post from carol erickson pres of cranial tech but please > still do not hesitate to ask your ortho about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Oh Randi, I have no idea, when you find out be sure and let us know. *just deleted what I really wanted to say and replaced with this* lol Dustie > Hello all-- > Does anyone know what the " normal " range of measurements are for > assymmetry? We are going on Wed to have measurements taken for > evaluation, and just wondered what was " normal " . > RAndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Hi Randi, In all truth the measurements are SO subjective that it is almost impossible to get any consistency with them. I would take them as simply one other piece of information, but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Visual inspection is really the very best way to measure improvement. Good luck on Wednesday and let us know what you find out! Marci (Mom to ) Oklahoma --- In Plagiocephaly , " randisue_98 " <randisue_98@y...> wrote: > Hello all-- > Does anyone know what the " normal " range of measurements are for > assymmetry? We are going on Wed to have measurements taken for > evaluation, and just wondered what was " normal " . > RAndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Hi Frances, I believe what you're referring to is the Cranial Vault Asymmetry measurement. This site at Aetna gives you more info. I believe it's the standard measurement, but there are other measurements. I think it depends on what type of plagio you have. Here's the link. www.aetna.com/cpb/data/CPBA0379.html --- In Plagiocephaly , " fslcarlson " <fslcarlson@c...> wrote: > When everyone talks about measuring " X " mm, what exactly does that refer > to? Is that the difference between back right/front left and back left/front right? > My orthotist measured this way (by the way, he just got his Danmar > helmet today:)). I was just curious if this is the standard measurement > everyone talks about. > > Frances (mom to 6 mo jacob) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Wow---thanks for this link---VERY helpful. B.Mom to B.STARBand drop out 8/03DOCBand #1 9/4/03DOCBand #2 12/18/03Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Hi , Do you have a kitchen scale? Best way to measure dry goods without trying to figure out how many ounces of a particular herb or root will fit in a teaspoon. If you don't have then I suggest you get one. They are quite cheap and really save a lot of circular brain work. LOL Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " DrCrandall wrote: > <<<can't really say that 2 tablespoons of Slippery Elm bark > will equal 1 > oz. of Slippery Elm bark without knowing the SG of Slippery > Elm Bark. It > might be 2 tablespoons, it might be 6 tablespoons it might > even be 15 > tablespoons>>> > > So, how do I measure 3 oz. for the slippery elm powder > recipe that you posted?? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Well , You can't really go by that because 2 tablespoons of Peppermint Leaves are going to weigh a whole lot less than 2 tablespoons of Goldenseal Root powder or Slippery elm powder. This is why it is best to use a scale to weigh with. Or, do everything in parts by volume and not weight. Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " DrCrandall wrote: > This is good, but it says ‘_dry_ measures’ but then on the ‘2 > tablespoons’, it says ‘1 _fluid_ ounce’. I still find that confusing. > What am I missing? And I know this isn’t rocket science when it comes > to measuring herbs but I’ve always wanted to understand this. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Suzanne [mailto:suziesgoats@...] > *Sent:* Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:50 PM > *To:* health > *Subject:* Re: measurements > > > *Dry Measures* > > 3 teaspoons > > > > 1 tablespoon > > > > 1/2 ounce > > > > 14.3 grams > > > > 2 tablespoons > > > > 1/8 cup > > > > 1 fluid ounce > > > > 28.35 grams > > > > 4 tablespoons > > > > 1/4 cup > > > > 2 fluid ounces > > > > 56.7 grams > > > > 5 1/3 tablespoons > > > > 1/3 cup > > > > 2.6 fluid ounces > > > > 75.6 grams > > > > 8 tablespoons > > > > 1/2 cup > > > > 4 ounces > > > > 113.4 grams > > > > 1 stick butter > > 12 tablespoons > > > > 3/4 cup > > > > 6 ounces > > > > .375 pound > > > > 170 grams > > 32 tablespoons > > > > 2 cups > > > > 16 ounces > > > > 1 pound > > > > 453.6 grams > > 64 tablespoons > > > > 4 cups > > > > 32 ounces > > > > 2 pounds > > > > 907 grams > > > */DrCrandall <drcrandall@...>/* wrote: > > > So, how do I measure 3 oz. for the slippery elm powder > recipe that you posted?? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 <<<Do you have a kitchen scale? >>> By golly, I do! I just measured out 10 tablespoons of powdered slippery elm and that’s not even an ounce!! That’s some gruel recipe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 It's supposed to last a while . This is your diet until you soothe and cool down the inflammed intestines. And yes, it is nutritous too. Lots of potassium, calcium, plant protein, starch and mucilage. Very good for inflammed digestive tissues. Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " DrCrandall wrote: > <<<Do you have a kitchen scale? >>> > > By golly, I do! I just measured out 10 tablespoons of powdered > slippery elm and that’s not even an ounce!! That’s some gruel recipe! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 It truly is wonderful stuff. I love using it. Actually I didn't mean that it lasts for days while you eat it. I meant that it has to last going through your system while it soothes, nourishes, and binds toxins for removal. It also provides a really nice mucilaginous fiberour bulk to aid in easy, pain free BM's. Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " DrCrandall wrote: > > <<<It's supposed to last a while .>>>> > > Duh, well of course. See, there I go again, not getting the > whole picture. I have a friend who can eat nothing but > steamed chicken and white rice. I just can't fathom (ha, no > pun intended) that. So, yes, if this is going to be all > that's eaten, a lot needs to be made up. > > Thanks for hanging in with me on this and you too, Suzi. > I'm beginning to see how the 'parts' measurement helps > clarify this whole area!! > > > > PS: I've been using slippery elm powder for my cats and > they no longer do the hairball thing!! Now they do the no > more hairballs happy dance everyday :-) l/2 tsp. once/day. > They're lightweights 8 and 10 lbs. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 , We did aggressive repositioning only, but I do have a couple unscientific measurements to go with Remy's progress photos in the photos/before and after/repositioned folder if you are interested: cephalic index: 5 months (~100), 24 months (~84) cranial vault asymmetry: 5 months (~10mm), 24 months (~3mm) I hope that helps! Christie (Mom to Repo'd Remy) --- In Plagiocephaly , " tortibaby " <sugrill@j...> wrote: > Can I take a poll? Would anyone mind sharing their children's > measurements with me? I'm really curious. I know what my son's are, > but I have no standards for comparison. > > Thanks! > > > , 18 months, tort, DOC Band 5/7/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Hello Willow my daughter had a Cranio Helmet from Germany so we only have the diagnols It was 12mm asym and she graduated at 1mm. Here is also a site that talks about measurements. Natasha had posted this one a while back. Hope it helps http://www.aetna.com/cpb/data/CPBA0379.html Sandy Willow's Mom Torticollis resolved Cranio Germany Grad 04 --- In Plagiocephaly , " tortibaby " <sugrill@j...> wrote: > Can I take a poll? Would anyone mind sharing their children's > measurements with me? I'm really curious. I know what my son's are, > but I have no standards for comparison. > > Thanks! > > > , 18 months, tort, DOC Band 5/7/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 , Here's the measurements I'm copying from the measurement report that CT did a little over two weeks ago for my son. Cephalic Index 91.7 + 2SD Cranial Vault Assymetry 8mm Trans Cranial Asymmetry 10mm Midface Asymmetry 6mm Skull Base Asymmetry 4.5 mm Cranial Width 134 mm + 1.8 SD Cranial Length 146 mm I don't really know what these mean to tell you the truth. I have heard on this site that 4mm for ceph index is considered just about normal, but I could be incorrect on this. Crista Mom to 7 3/4 mo-DOCBand 5/13 --- In Plagiocephaly , " tortibaby " <sugrill@j...> wrote: > Can I take a poll? Would anyone mind sharing their children's > measurements with me? I'm really curious. I know what my son's are, > but I have no standards for comparison. > > Thanks! > > > , 18 months, tort, DOC Band 5/7/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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