Cancer spread to the spine, hip bone and sternum

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On May 15, 2004, at 12:42 AM, oldglory@... wrote:

> We are planning on trying the Breuss vegetable juice diet if we can

> get all the vegetables (beets, celeraic, black radishes and potatoes

> and carrots.  Does anyone have any good information on this diet.

>  Supposedly in 42 days all the cancer will be gone without the sugar,

> carbs and especially protein.

>

I probably would not give any night shades to a person with cancer.

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There are also some caveats when using essiac. I found this when

researching essiac for a friend with lymphoma.

http://www.motherearthherbs.com/contraindications.html

A site with a LOT of info on essiac, it's use, it's history and making

it is:

http://essiac-info.org/

This site seems to have little (if any) commercial interest.

On 15 May 2004 at 8:47, Suzanne wrote:

>

> Essiac will also ease the pain... Also alternate hot and cold to get

> the blood circulating.. I would also suggest some Super tonic (in the

> files)... Cayenne will also get the blood circulating. Suzi

>

> " oldglory@... " <oldglory@...> wrote:

> Hi Persian,

>

> I read on the internet the 'cure' rate for cancer spread to the

> bones is 1 in 200. I'd say this is pretty dismal.

>

> Was talking to her doctor's nurse today and she said there is no

> curing cancer in the bones. It is a matter of time and hopefully

> no pain.

>

> The hip and sternum wouldn't concern me so much as the spine,

> which carries all your body's messages. If the hip was in grave

> danger of breaking from being eaten up, what happens when cancer

> eats your spine in two? Mom said it is dead feeling in those areas

> when using a heating pad.

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Hi

There is always something that can be done. Always!!!! There is Dr.

Schulze's Incurables program which is quite effective for any type of

dis-ease. The Breuss Diet will work quite well but do leave the potato

out as she isn't suffering from liver cancer, is she? If you go this

route make sure that everything is filtered so there are minimal to no

particles. Also make certain that every time she drinks anything she

thoroughly chews it before swallowing (this allows it to mix with lots

of saliva which helps in the breakdown and absorption of the nutrients).

This will be a very hard diet on her and will take a lot of support from

you and anyone else in the family. Of course any protocol or diet will

all be hard for her but if she is willing and has the determination she

will get through them. Also do not overlook Wheatgrass juice therapy.

This would be very beneficial for your mother. Either drinking it or as

an implant (like an enema but not as much). One to two ounces per day

will help her immensely. No more though as wheatgrass is an extremely

potent detoxifier.

Whether you use the Breuss Diet, Schulze's Incurables Program or

anyother diet I would strongly suggest that you include Wheatgrass even

if it is not called for. Otherwise, it sounds like you are both on

the right track.Do keep her on the Selenium. Is she also using Vitamin

C? E? A? And is she getting plenty of SUN and fresh air!!! Very

important. Light skin brushing daily will help to keep her lymph moving

and flowing. Hot and cold therapy on any painful sites or swollen

glands. Do keep us posted and my prayers go out to both of you

especially your mother. She has raised a very fine and loving daughter.

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

oldglory@... wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Eight years ago my Mother had a lumpectomy for breast cancer. The

> doctor said he got it all.

>

> Five years later her doctor retired and referred her to another cancer

> doctor for periodic check ups. The new doctor asked how long it had

> been since her operation and when told five years, he said to not come

> to see him because she was cured.

>

> Three years later Mother was having great pain and difficulty with her

> hip. One doctor said an inflamed bursa and it didn't respond to

> treatment. The next doctor said arthritis and it didn't respond to

> treatment. It was nearly impossible for her to walk by this time. I

> insisted on an X-ray which showed her hip bone eaten up 90% or more

> and in grave danger of breaking any moment. She had emergency surgery

> to drive a rod down the thigh bone and a pin to hold it all together.

> This stopped most of the awful pain and she healed very well.

>

> Naturally when we went for her first appointment after the surgery

> (she dismissed chemo and radiation), I asked the doctor about using a

> heating pad for I'd read viruses were sensitive to heat. He hesitated

> a long moment and then said, Sure. After that, any question we asked

> was met with, Sure. Later I found out the reason for him saying

> anything was OK to try is, there is no cure for cancer in the bones,

> or such a small percentage that it is nearly 100% fatal.

>

> We've been going to Abilene once a month for some time now and having

> blood marker tests. When Mother had her operation around Feb. 1st,

> her blood marker test was at 83 and last month it was at 47. I

> understand anything over 35 indicates cancer so when we went to her

> doctor's place 9 days ago, they drew blood. Five phone calls later I

> accidentally connected with the head nurse who had not returned any of

> my phone calls and messages, asking for information. She said they

> didn't do the blood marker test the last time, just a kidney test.

> Long story short, I was pretty peeved and downright irritable. We

> will go to another doctor tomorrow to have her blood drawn. We have

> to know if what we are doing is in the right direction and without the

> blood marker test, we have no clue.

>

> My question is, does anyone know anything that can be done for this

> kind of cancer that we aren't doing? We are doing ESSIAC, Platinum

> and Selenium colloidal water, Artemisinin, cottage cheese and flaxseed

> oil and far infrared pad. I'm forgetting a few things but have

> researched quite a bit.

>

> We are planning on trying the Breuss vegetable juice diet if we can

> get all the vegetables (beets, celeraic, black radishes and potatoes

> and carrots. Does anyone have any good information on this diet.

> Supposedly in 42 days all the cancer will be gone without the sugar,

> carbs and especially protein.

>

> Thank you for any help or information!

>

> Baugh

>

>

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Hi Persian,

I will be sure to inquire what the prognosis is when we go back in early

June. From what has been said, they indicated there might not be much time

but we didn't want to hear this so didn't ask for details. I hope you are

right about cancer in the bones not being as serious as we think!

Thank you,

Baugh

******************

>>

>> The hip and sternum wouldn't concern me so much as the spine, which carries

>> all your body's messages. If the hip was in grave danger of breaking from

>> being eaten up, what happens when cancer eats your spine in two? Mom said

>> it is dead feeling in those areas when using a heating pad.

>

> I am sorry I dont know about this, because it didn't happen to the people

> I have known with the bone mets. One ended up with a pin in the hip and one

> with

> a pin in a leg, both were still alive years after. I met them on a newsgroup

> when I was looking for help for another friend of mine with breast cancer.

> Another one I knew personally had mets all over the bones but they

> seemed to stabalise about 30 years ago and she was 65 last time I saw her in

> Australia.

>

> regards

> Persian

>

>

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Hi

The wheat grass is the grass as it has sprouted. Up to about 6 inches or

8 inches high and then you cut if off about an 1/2 to 1 inch above

ground level and juice it. Have a look at this site for more information

on Ann Wigmore and wheatgrass juice.

http://www.wigmore.org/index.html#MB_A

There is an awful lot of information on this subject and a lot of

research (not necessarily by the FDA and medical establishment though).

I will send you the incurables program as soon as I can including the

recipes for the formulas etc.

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

oldglory@... wrote:

> Hi Don,

>

> I believe you are right about always something that can be done. She said

> her back hurt her quite a bit tonight and this isn't normal for her. She

> either has a high pain tolerance or possibly it is now beginning to cause

> pain.

>

> Also, Mom is taking ESSIAC that I make up fresh in one gallon amounts.

>

> I can't access and the archives for Dr. Schulze's Incurables

> program.

> Can I find this on the internet?

>

> No, Mom doesn't have liver cancer, or I sure hope she doesn't. They

> didn't

> want to look further for more cancer so I assume and hope she doesn't have

> more. She has lost quite a bit of weight, or down to 118 lb but on the

> other hand, the diet she is on is not one that makes one overeat!

>

> We will not use the potatoes. Thank you for the information.

>

> When you say wheatgrass, do you mean actual wheat, juiced? I farm and

> raise

> wheat so this would be easy to do.

>

> For Mother's Day, my sister and I bought Mom a reclining swing set and she

> has been going out every day to get some sun. I know the sun is

> beneficial

> and that you shouldn't wear sunglasses. I had a relative by marriage who

> was dying and was saved by looking at the sun through colored lenses,

> graduating to no lenses at all. Some religion but not sure what it

> was. I

> can't see a religion out of the sun but do believe it is greatly

> healthy to

> sunbathe.

>

> Yes, thank you for the compliment. I love Mom and would do anything

> to help

> her live, even give her some of my years if I could.

>

> Absolutely! Mom is taking Vit. C, E, A, Selenium and zinc, plus

> Silymarin,

> Artemisinin, B-15, B-17 and some more things.

>

> We got Mom some Stevia when she said she craved something sweet and it is

> wonderful; you can't tell the difference in the taste. It is the

> extract we

> have.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Baugh

>

> **********************

> >

> > There is always something that can be done. Always!!!! There is Dr.

> > Schulze's Incurables program which is quite effective for any type of

> > dis-ease. The Breuss Diet will work quite well but do leave the potato

> > out as she isn't suffering from liver cancer, is she? If you go this

> > route make sure that everything is filtered so there are minimal to no

> > particles. Also make certain that every time she drinks anything she

> > thoroughly chews it before swallowing (this allows it to mix with lots

> > of saliva which helps in the breakdown and absorption of the nutrients).

> > This will be a very hard diet on her and will take a lot of support from

> > you and anyone else in the family. Of course any protocol or diet will

> > all be hard for her but if she is willing and has the determination she

> > will get through them. Also do not overlook Wheatgrass juice therapy.

> > This would be very beneficial for your mother. Either drinking it or as

> > an implant (like an enema but not as much). One to two ounces per day

> > will help her immensely. No more though as wheatgrass is an extremely

> > potent detoxifier.

> >

> > Whether you use the Breuss Diet, Schulze's Incurables Program or

> > anyother diet I would strongly suggest that you include Wheatgrass even

> > if it is not called for. Otherwise, it sounds like you are both on

> > the right track.Do keep her on the Selenium. Is she also using Vitamin

> > C? E? A? And is she getting plenty of SUN and fresh air!!! Very

> > important. Light skin brushing daily will help to keep her lymph moving

> > and flowing. Hot and cold therapy on any painful sites or swollen

> > glands. Do keep us posted and my prayers go out to both of you

> > especially your mother. She has raised a very fine and loving daughter.

> >

> > Peace, love and light,

> >

> > Don Quai

> >

> > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in

> the animal

> > and wakes in man. "

> >

> >

> >

> > oldglory@... wrote:

> >

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> Eight years ago my Mother had a lumpectomy for breast cancer. The

> >> doctor said he got it all.

> >>

> >> Five years later her doctor retired and referred her to another cancer

> >> doctor for periodic check ups. The new doctor asked how long it had

> >> been since her operation and when told five years, he said to not come

> >> to see him because she was cured.

> >>

> >> Three years later Mother was having great pain and difficulty with her

> >> hip. One doctor said an inflamed bursa and it didn't respond to

> >> treatment. The next doctor said arthritis and it didn't respond to

> >> treatment. It was nearly impossible for her to walk by this time. I

> >> insisted on an X-ray which showed her hip bone eaten up 90% or more

> >> and in grave danger of breaking any moment. She had emergency surgery

> >> to drive a rod down the thigh bone and a pin to hold it all together.

> >> This stopped most of the awful pain and she healed very well.

> >>

> >> Naturally when we went for her first appointment after the surgery

> >> (she dismissed chemo and radiation), I asked the doctor about using a

> >> heating pad for I'd read viruses were sensitive to heat. He hesitated

> >> a long moment and then said, Sure. After that, any question we asked

> >> was met with, Sure. Later I found out the reason for him saying

> >> anything was OK to try is, there is no cure for cancer in the bones,

> >> or such a small percentage that it is nearly 100% fatal.

> >>

> >> We've been going to Abilene once a month for some time now and having

> >> blood marker tests. When Mother had her operation around Feb. 1st,

> >> her blood marker test was at 83 and last month it was at 47. I

> >> understand anything over 35 indicates cancer so when we went to her

> >> doctor's place 9 days ago, they drew blood. Five phone calls later I

> >> accidentally connected with the head nurse who had not returned any of

> >> my phone calls and messages, asking for information. She said they

> >> didn't do the blood marker test the last time, just a kidney test.

> >> Long story short, I was pretty peeved and downright irritable. We

> >> will go to another doctor tomorrow to have her blood drawn. We have

> >> to know if what we are doing is in the right direction and without the

> >> blood marker test, we have no clue.

> >>

> >> My question is, does anyone know anything that can be done for this

> >> kind of cancer that we aren't doing? We are doing ESSIAC, Platinum

> >> and Selenium colloidal water, Artemisinin, cottage cheese and flaxseed

> >> oil and far infrared pad. I'm forgetting a few things but have

> >> researched quite a bit.

> >>

> >> We are planning on trying the Breuss vegetable juice diet if we can

> >> get all the vegetables (beets, celeraic, black radishes and potatoes

> >> and carrots. Does anyone have any good information on this diet.

> >> Supposedly in 42 days all the cancer will be gone without the sugar,

> >> carbs and especially protein.

> >>

> >> Thank you for any help or information!

> >>

> >> Baugh

> >>

>

>

>

>

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Hi,

On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 06:17:15 -0500, oldglory@... wrote:

>

> I read on the internet the 'cure' rate for cancer spread to the bones is 1

> in 200. I'd say this is pretty dismal.

>

> Was talking to her doctor's nurse today and she said there is no curing

> cancer in the bones. It is a matter of time and hopefully no pain.

>

You are correct there is no 'cure' in the allopathic world for secondary

cancer in the bones, however, that in itself is not fatal, it does not

threaten major organs. No cure and fatal are quite _different_ things.

Of course people have needed those pins and rods in the

bones sometimes to help. There is no known allopathic cure for any seconadary

cancer, all the care is palliative.

regards

Persian

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Hi ,

On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 06:17:15 -0500, oldglory@... wrote:

>

> The hip and sternum wouldn't concern me so much as the spine, which carries

> all your body's messages. If the hip was in grave danger of breaking from

> being eaten up, what happens when cancer eats your spine in two? Mom said

> it is dead feeling in those areas when using a heating pad.

I am sorry I dont know about this, because it didn't happen to the people

I have known with the bone mets. One ended up with a pin in the hip and one with

a pin in a leg, both were still alive years after. I met them on a newsgroup

when I was looking for help for another friend of mine with breast cancer.

Another one I knew personally had mets all over the bones but they

seemed to stabalise about 30 years ago and she was 65 last time I saw her in

Australia.

regards

Persian

[Guest guest]

Hi,

On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 05:44:15 -0500, oldglory@... wrote:

>

> I wrote to my Mother's (BTW, I know it isn't 'proper' to capitalize the word

> Mother but I decided she deserved it if anyone did), oncologist and received

> this reply to my question, Is bone cancer fatal if not in a major organ?

>

> Reply: " JEAN, YOUR MOTHER HAS BREAST CANCER THAT HAS GONE TO THE BONE. THERE

> IS A DIFFERENCE. "

>

I didn't realise you were calling it bone cancer, so he is telling you that it

will ALWAYS be breast cancer wherever it goes, that is because the others

are all secondaries, and cancer is called after the primary site (if known).

So did he say anything else?

Some people with bone mets just have those for years and it doesnt got to other

organs, but other people get bone mets and very soon after they get other

secondaries

in organs, of course this is bad:(

regards

Persian