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RE: Injecting " something " directly into the tumor.

Perhaps its injecting some of her sensitized white blood cells into the

tumor (Her own WBC would first be sensitized to the tumor antigen

in_vitro).

Or perhaps it's injecting antigens that would elicit a high immune

response.

I shudder to think it might be injecting genes into the tumor. This would

be highly experimental. Be careful.

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> She's had a hysterectomey and has been undergoing chemo ever since,

> but recently the doctor told her that the treatment she's been

> receiving is not having any effect on the recurrance of the cancerous

> cells.

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> She is going to be admitted to the hospital Monday for a stronger

> form of chemo treatment, but the oncologist has said that if this

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> My mom, being the trooper she is, isn't ready to give up without a

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> been given.

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> She told me about a possible treatment that can be injected directly

> into the tumor and cause it to shrink, but that's all she knows. I'm

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> greatful if anyone had information about this.

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There is at least one clinical trial for a vaccine for

lymphoma that I know of; at Stanford.

The gene therapy trial that Dr. Kipps conducted in San

Diego operates in a similar fashion; both techniques

attempt to mount an immune system response to a

stimulus. The Phase I trial in San Diego resulted in

what Dr. Prussak called 'a massive stimulation of the

immune system'.

Of course, more trials of more drugs are necessary. A

combination of public and private donations are

necessary. Please write your congressman/woman to ask

for more spending for the National Institutes of

Health.

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> Why can't they do this for CLL?

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Dear Clau,

You are a dear for posting these resources. Thank you so much!

You have effectively given me a lot of "homework", but it is somthing I will DO with pleasure, for I am passionate about EFT! Do you know, Clau, if there is a book with EFT stories/testimonials, (apart from what's on the websites), something that can be given as a gift? Are some of the books mentioned below in that category?

Love,

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> Hello Tappiers ,> > Some books and sites of interest that I took from other list.> > EFT/TFT Bibliography> > Callahan, J., Five Minute Phobia Cure, Enterprise, 1985> > Callahan, J., and Joanne Callahan, Stop the Nightmares of Trauma: Thought Field Therapy,> The Power Therapy for the 21st Century, 2000. > Order through www.selfhelpuniv.com or (800) 359-CURE> > Callahan, J., Thought Field Therapy and Trauma, Treatment and Theory, 1996.> Callahan, J., Why Do I Eat When I'm Not Hungry?, Doubleday, 1991.>

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Agreed.

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On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 06:33 AM, Kalab wrote:

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> To steal one persons ideas is plagiarism, to steal from many is

> research.

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> Agreed.

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> On Wednesday, January 30, 2002, at 06:33 AM, Kalab wrote:

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> > Hey , ever hear this: ?

> >

> > To steal one persons ideas is plagiarism, to steal from many is

> > research.

> >

> > Just my 2c

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on 3/13/03 6:42 AM, Tubafour at dbonorato4@... wrote:

My niece is researching Down syndrome and discrimination in education. I

was thinking that Holland vs. Bd. of Education would be a good place to

start. There was another court case as well. Does anyone have any other

ideas and links where she might find information. She is in Hawaii and has

limited puter access. Thanks in advance. BTW she is 's biggest fan.

Elaine

Hi!

I don't have any court cases to suggest but I would suggest the following:

1) broaden the focus to Developmental Disabilities since at least to me, the

discrimination faced by ind. w/DS is not qualitatively different than that

experienced by ind. w/DD in general. That should make finding court cases

much easier. 2) there is an excellent book which I own (and can't find at

the moment) which lists and discusses all the landmark cases in the area of

DD. I'll find it later today and let you know the title. I would suggest

she have her local library obtain a copy of the book for her. It should

dramatically simplify her efforts.

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Dear ,

Jane Barlow has an RCT study going in Oxford at the moment on the use of home visiting for the prevention of abuse and neglect. The health visitors there are trained in the Parent Adviser model and strategies for improving parent/infant relationships. They are allocated up to two clients and visit weekly from pregnancy throughout the first year of life. Her latest paper on why people did not want to take part in the study makes fascinating reading. I am not sure if it is published yet. I'll find out and let you have the reference. Anyway the study was trying to replicate some of the work done in America to see if it would work here, as you suggest.

Best wishes,

research

CheryllOn the topic of research questions and at a time when the role of health visiting is so wanted in Policy and so not wanted in Statute I thought to pitch in with something Sure Start work-related and at the core of health visiting.I am deeply embedded in Sure Start at the minute as you know and what I find interesting is the home visiting aspect.Very many early intervention studies (hundreds, I feel like I have read them all!!!!!) in the USA have home visiting as an element in the study (lots of randomised controlled trials) This element has proven to be extremely successful (in the USA and elsewhere) we all know this anyway from the systematic reviews. The home visiting was done by paraprofessionals (sorry American term, ordinary folk who get special on the job training) teachers, social workers and public health nurses. Now here's the thing, the interventions (home visits) were at least weekly for the first year of the intervention (from birth in some studies and in many others from 12 months of age) or twice monthly for the first year and no less than that. On one of my Sure Start research sites they have put a lot of energy into a programme of home visiting and are reaping great rewards because of this activity. But they could not run to weekly for 52 weeks or even half of that the team isn't big enough to cope with that demand. SO what is the correct 'dose response' for home visiting as an early intervention preventive? Literature states (mainly US) that this is a question that they dont know the answer to as yet!!!When and I were working on a study in 1999 where the PCT were very prescriptive about housecalls, we very much felt that if all the PCT allowed practitioners to do was one home visit then it might have been better not to go at all because what difference can one contact make, you are only opening things up to rapidly shut them down. Anyway ever resourceful the health visitors developed a new language to help them cope. They told the clients at the end of the one and only home visit that they were supposed to do that now that they had completed the family's official visit they would be back the following week for the first of the unofficial visits. It made the research very interesting to write up!Cheryll come back to me for more info if needed and please others chip in on their home visiting thoughts!_________________________________________________________________Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Jane Barlow has an RCT study going in Oxford at the moment on the use of home visiting for the prevention of abuse and neglect. The health visitors there are trained in the Parent Adviser model and strategies for improving parent/infant relationships. They are allocated up to two clients and visit weekly from pregnancy throughout the first year of life. Her latest paper on why people did not want to take part in the study makes fascinating reading. I am not sure if it is published yet. I'll find out and let you have the reference. Anyway the study was trying to replicate some of the work done in America to see if it would work here, as you suggest.

Best wishes,

research

CheryllOn the topic of research questions and at a time when the role of health visiting is so wanted in Policy and so not wanted in Statute I thought to pitch in with something Sure Start work-related and at the core of health visiting.I am deeply embedded in Sure Start at the minute as you know and what I find interesting is the home visiting aspect.Very many early intervention studies (hundreds, I feel like I have read them all!!!!!) in the USA have home visiting as an element in the study (lots of randomised controlled trials) This element has proven to be extremely successful (in the USA and elsewhere) we all know this anyway from the systematic reviews. The home visiting was done by paraprofessionals (sorry American term, ordinary folk who get special on the job training) teachers, social workers and public health nurses. Now here's the thing, the interventions (home visits) were at least weekly for the first year of the intervention (from birth in some studies and in many others from 12 months of age) or twice monthly for the first year and no less than that. On one of my Sure Start research sites they have put a lot of energy into a programme of home visiting and are reaping great rewards because of this activity. But they could not run to weekly for 52 weeks or even half of that the team isn't big enough to cope with that demand. SO what is the correct 'dose response' for home visiting as an early intervention preventive? Literature states (mainly US) that this is a question that they dont know the answer to as yet!!!When and I were working on a study in 1999 where the PCT were very prescriptive about housecalls, we very much felt that if all the PCT allowed practitioners to do was one home visit then it might have been better not to go at all because what difference can one contact make, you are only opening things up to rapidly shut them down. Anyway ever resourceful the health visitors developed a new language to help them cope. They told the clients at the end of the one and only home visit that they were supposed to do that now that they had completed the family's official visit they would be back the following week for the first of the unofficial visits. It made the research very interesting to write up!Cheryll come back to me for more info if needed and please others chip in on their home visiting thoughts!_________________________________________________________________Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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This paper is not published yet but has gone to 'Children and Society'. Jane is waiting to hear and will let me know when and if they will publish.

Best wishes,

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CheryllOn the topic of research questions and at a time when the role of health visiting is so wanted in Policy and so not wanted in Statute I thought to pitch in with something Sure Start work-related and at the core of health visiting.I am deeply embedded in Sure Start at the minute as you know and what I find interesting is the home visiting aspect.Very many early intervention studies (hundreds, I feel like I have read them all!!!!!) in the USA have home visiting as an element in the study (lots of randomised controlled trials) This element has proven to be extremely successful (in the USA and elsewhere) we all know this anyway from the systematic reviews. The home visiting was done by paraprofessionals (sorry American term, ordinary folk who get special on the job training) teachers, social workers and public health nurses. Now here's the thing, the interventions (home visits) were at least weekly for the first year of the intervention (from birth in some studies and in many others from 12 months of age) or twice monthly for the first year and no less than that. On one of my Sure Start research sites they have put a lot of energy into a programme of home visiting and are reaping great rewards because of this activity. But they could not run to weekly for 52 weeks or even half of that the team isn't big enough to cope with that demand. SO what is the correct 'dose response' for home visiting as an early intervention preventive? Literature states (mainly US) that this is a question that they dont know the answer to as yet!!!When and I were working on a study in 1999 where the PCT were very prescriptive about housecalls, we very much felt that if all the PCT allowed practitioners to do was one home visit then it might have been better not to go at all because what difference can one contact make, you are only opening things up to rapidly shut them down. Anyway ever resourceful the health visitors developed a new language to help them cope. They told the clients at the end of the one and only home visit that they were supposed to do that now that they had completed the family's official visit they would be back the following week for the first of the unofficial visits. It made the research very interesting to write up!Cheryll come back to me for more info if needed and please others chip in on their home visiting thoughts!_________________________________________________________________Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Thank YOU! Some are tryinig to learn to find information that may save or

extend the life of a loved one.... as is the case with me. I want ALL the

information that these folks so willing and FREELY offer. IF that results in

some

sort of sale for them.... so what...at least they are still helping someone and

not just experimenting with ideas..............janet

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Celia,

I know this message isnt addressed to me, but honestly, I feel

offended by it. Im not sure if you meant to sound as belittling as

you came across of if that was accidental. Just a little tip, if you

dont want to intentionally upset someone you might want to rethink

the way you phrase things. I felt like you were attacking her

personal integrity. I dont think it was warranted. If that was not

your intention, please just know that, that was how I took it. Im not

though. Maybe she feels differently. Soory, again, I know

this wasnt a message directed at me, but I just had to comment.

As far as ANY doctor is concerned... I dont think, at this point, I

could go on just faith alone to trust them in what they say or do. It

takes documentation and proven track record to earn that from ME. I

think this is what and ANY of us parents are looking for.

Please dont take this as a personal attack. Its not meant to be.

> ,

>

> That is something I wanted to talk you about. How extensive is

your

> research ? By research do you mean people that contact you

> through " infantilescoliosis.com " ? Your study will be flawed or

> biased if you just rely on people contacting you. You would have

to

> get access to medical records, which may be something you may not

be

> able to do since you don't have the credentials for it.

>

> Other than this group, what work is ISOP doing to get the message

> out ? I also wanted to say that Crista had a very valid complaint

> about Dr. Moscovich and I'm glad she aired it. That's what this

> group is all about. We're here to support each other. Sorry, I

have

> a tendency to use a lot of exclamation points. It's just me !!!!

>

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> Celia

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The only person who would probably be offended if they were to read

's comment " in all the five year's of research I have not

come into contact with anyone that has been casted by Dr. Moscovich, "

is Dr. Moscovich himself. When someone says they have researched

something for five years, that could mean anything. Some people

obtain their P.H.D's in five years. I didn't have to " look " for any

hidden meanings in 's message, I took her words at face value.

I didn't join this group to be part of ISOP, I joined it to be part

of a group of parents who share a common interest, their children

with scoliosis. I wanted to share my story with others in the hope

of helping other parents. I'm NOT a member of ISOP and I don't see

how 's grand plan of " patient tracking " is going to help this

group at all. An excellent study has already been done on the

effects of early treatment with serial corrective casting and that

was done by Min Mehta herself. A video was even produced. I would

rather not even get into any of this because that is not why I'm here.

This is a support group, not ISOP.

I don't mean to offend 's intentions, because her intentions

are very good. I would love to see the day when parents get the best

possible treatment for their children. Any study that relies soley on

patient input to " infantilescoliosis.com " will be flawed. That's not

meant to be an insult but words of advice.

Celia

-- In infantile scoliosis treatment , " "

<doll_face95@y...> wrote:

> Celia,

>

> I know this message isnt addressed to me, but honestly, I feel

> offended by it. Im not sure if you meant to sound as belittling as

> you came across of if that was accidental. Just a little tip, if

you

> dont want to intentionally upset someone you might want to rethink

> the way you phrase things. I felt like you were attacking her

> personal integrity. I dont think it was warranted. If that was not

> your intention, please just know that, that was how I took it. Im

not

> though. Maybe she feels differently. Soory, again, I know

> this wasnt a message directed at me, but I just had to comment.

>

> As far as ANY doctor is concerned... I dont think, at this point, I

> could go on just faith alone to trust them in what they say or do.

It

> takes documentation and proven track record to earn that from ME. I

> think this is what and ANY of us parents are looking for.

> Please dont take this as a personal attack. Its not meant to be.

>

>

>

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > That is something I wanted to talk you about. How extensive is

> your

> > research ? By research do you mean people that contact you

> > through " infantilescoliosis.com " ? Your study will be flawed or

> > biased if you just rely on people contacting you. You would have

> to

> > get access to medical records, which may be something you may not

> be

> > able to do since you don't have the credentials for it.

> >

> > Other than this group, what work is ISOP doing to get the message

> > out ? I also wanted to say that Crista had a very valid

complaint

> > about Dr. Moscovich and I'm glad she aired it. That's what this

> > group is all about. We're here to support each other. Sorry, I

> have

> > a tendency to use a lot of exclamation points. It's just me !!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Celia

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Thanks , being a supervision junky I know that is where the knowledge can be uncovered but at present supervision is sporadic and only being carried out at a very superficial level and again PCT's do not recognise the need particularly for HV's who work on such an emotional level with their clients

Ann

Research

Unravelling practice knowledge and making it explicit can be good academic research. Not all of us in the academic world shun practice knowledge, Ann. And I know what you mean about learning from colleagues; when I was doing my PhD, I spent one and half hours observing an expert health visitor running a baby clinic and it took me a week to finish writing up my field notes of what had happened. By the end of it, I was almost convinced that I could never be a health visitor, it is so complicated! I realised then that we tend to do, is to watch experienced colleagues when we are students or new to the job and do not really know what we are looking for or at. When we are experienced, we watch students and new practitioners instead of our experienced peers. You are right; there is a goldmine of knowledge out there if we only had the time and will to mine it all! Perhaps it could happen through peer supervision, although that is often poorly carried out. I agree with what you are saying about practitioners getting their knowledge into print (although I do not underestimate the skill involved in making their know-how explicit) and would put in a plea for practitioners to read as well. There are huge amounts of information out there, so we do not always need to reinvent it. kind regardsAnn Girling wrote:

I have learnt so much about health visiting despite having been one for nearly 30 years just from listening to my colleagues reflect on the tapes during my interviews. What an untapped source of knowledge there is out there about the health visiting profession. When will people realise academic reserach is not the only way to gain new knowledge?

Maybe more of us should be writing about our profession insetad of relying on our academic colleagues to do it all .. or maybe some of the journals should be more open to us mere mortals. I have recently been told that the Community Practitoner is not interested in an article about infant mental health, arguably one of the biggest public health issues facing us today, that i have been asked to support and johnson with following a presentation i did at the Brazelton conference in March.

Any thoughts?

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Sadly, I couldn't get it from the site - perhaps it has been archived?

It's a big site but they may have capacity issues.

Wood

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Yes, , our report is there, under:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nmvc/research/project/overview.php?the_group=1

The report is a bit old now. It is called 'What quality standards do

communityTrusts need for purposes of clinical governance'. First, find

the title of the project, then click on it to find the report.

I recall that we didn't think much of Essence of Care as a model, even

though there was huge enthusiasm in the Department when it first came

out. There are some benefits of benchmarking, but they are few and far

between and need using with care.

I am pleased that someone else has read Robyn's work and found it

useful. Anyone else? Is there a way of making it accessible in 'bite

size chinks,' or would that be like splitting a diamond?

Houston wrote:

>Has anyone been involved in using the Essence of Care tools for bench

>marking in

>Health Visiting???

>

>

>Re this issue I think I looked at it generally in passing in the

>Clinical Governance project work I did with a few years ago, not

>specifically for HV's. I think that report is a part of the King's

web-based

>resources now or soon to be? Am right in that ?

>

>On another issue I was really interested in Robyn's PhD, another

>interesting

>resource. What a challenging piece of work, well done. It was really

good to

>look outside of the health-based box and try on another perspective and

a

>whole other interesting literature, meeting the challenge of health

based

>issues. BUT Robyn how could you do it?? How could you lay yourself so

bare,

>what a challenge, what courage, I am in awe of the process that you

>undertook of placing such an enormous challenge (running out of

different

>words to use) challenge is it I think, you challenged yourself, your

own

>practice and literally put yourself on the line, in the search for

knowledge

>of how health visitors work with families! Well done thank you so much

for

>your willingness to share the process, including the painful bits. If

you

>haven't been to look please do go and look at Robyn's thesis, it is

>wonderful of her to share it with us and it is valuable for us to

address a

>different literature and think out of the box for a moment and realise

that

>there are many ways to address how we work with families.

>http://www.bath.ac.uk/~edsajw/pound/PROCH1.PDF

>

>

>

>

>

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Very interesting information about the Dr. Dorman studies. I read that

article a few weeks ago -- it was forwarded to me by a friend. I don't want

to start any brand wars here -- I just want to say that I appreciate you

clarifying what happened during the study because obviously that wasn't

pointed out in the article.

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What is the Dr. Dorman study?? I find NO benifit using the whisper

setting with my CI so far.. It makes my CI sound quieter. I am still

not done mapping so it may change? I am using ACE my brain did not

like cis or speak but who knows how it would sound now??

I would like to learn a lot more about how the CI works..

Cheers,

Evel

> Hi Evel and all,

> I've been doing research for over a year now. I want a tee

shirt that

> says, " I'm a Human Laboratory Animal at University of Michigan " .

> Just to let you know, when they do research you do NOT wear your

own

> processor. You wear whatever they have there, so all people are

using

> the same processor. I think the one at U Mich is set with ACE as a

> mapping strategy. I use SPEAK on mine.

> The only one where you wore your own was at Arizona State

University.

> The infamous Dr. Dorman studies. And in that case none of us could

use

> Whisper at any time. Which skewed the results as far as I'm

concerned.

> If we wanted fixed sensitivity, we'd have had an implant that

doesn't

> allow us to change it. With Whisper, you pick up more soft

sounds. But

> we were required to set the processor ONCE and tht was it. Not

like real

> life at all. Still, and interesting start.

>

>

> Nucleus Volunteer

>

> He has also frowned on me wanting to participate in a study in

> Syracuse NY that is aimed at getting the MOST you can from your CI

> thru advanced mappings. His Quote " do you really want to go thru

all

> the trouble to gain 3-4% better hearing? " YES, I would do it for 1-

2%

> better :-)

> Let me know what you need from me.

>

> Cheers,

> Evel

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Hi ,

I did the research that ended with my wife being implanted a month

ago with a N24C. She is 100% deaf both sides, implant was placed in

the less ossified cochlea considering it was the best chance for a

full insertion. Otherwise, if not for her condition, she would have

been implanted in the way to preserve the best cochlea. All

implanted people I know, same criteria was followed.

By the way, my wife´s mother language is spanish. Do you know any

internet site, like manythings.org, posted here, for spanish ?

Regards,

Dino

>

> Hi All,

> You know, I'd like to see what research all the audiologists and

> surgeons are referring to when they say it works better to implant

the

> better ear. Because I've never seen anything that points that

out. You

> might start off sooner on the road to hearing and understanding by

> implanting an ear that heard better more recently, but this is NOT

a

> sprint, it's a long term race.. So if it takes 3 months instead

of 3

> weeks, and takes 30- mappings instead of 20 but you end up with

the same

> results, then why would you sacrifice an ear that is able to use a

> hearing aid still? Because that is exactly what you do, sacrifice

the

> hearing in your ear.

> Has anyone seen any real research on this?

>

>

> Nucleus Volunteer

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,

If you had any " REAL " benefit from a HA i don't see how you would

qualify for a CI in that ear in the first place?? If both ears

qualify for a CI as they did in my case, then you would have a

choice and I know my audi feels the same...Implanting the better ear

yields better overall results " MOST " of the time.. It has nothing to

do with how fast you hear with the implant but the " overall "

improvement. As you know after 6 months you will not see any huge

gains in hearing with a CI unless they really messed up your maps to

start with. I don't mean how it sounds, I mean actual test scores on

speech understanding..

I don't know how long people plan to live but I don't believe you

will see any haircell regeneration in the next 20 years.. So in my

case, even though I had a better ear (Not completely deaf) it was

not doing me any good even with a HA, so I based my decision that

way and I am glad i did. If I had usable hearing left that was

benefited by a HA then it would have been a no-brainer.. But like I

said earlier if a person has " real " benefit from a HA then I doubt

they would qualify for a CI to begin with. I know i would NOT have

qualified.

But like you, I have not seen any studies to back this up. I will

be working with Dr. at Syracuse University soon so I will see

what i can find out.

Cheers,

Evel

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Hi Jill, & all,

I think some of best recent research discoveries are by Dr. Cheney

and that cardiac testing he has done; reported by Carol Sieverling in

the DFW April 2005 newsletter.

The NCF reported that Cigua Epitope is killing Red blood cells in

their recent publication, more great research !

Al

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> The NCF's apparent position is to bank everything on research,

their choice

> of research, >

> Jill

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> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:23:10 -0400

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> Subject: NCF news?

>

> about 6 months ago I was reading often from I think a woman named

Gail with

> the NCF that there was a huge breakthrough around the corner. What

ever

> happened to that?

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Hi Jonny

Would you be able to take a look at the systematic review done by Escobar (the one you mentioned, and used by the BTA to back up their comments). What we need to know is...did they include ALL the available evidence re T4 - T4/T3 combination, or were they selective and only included those refs to support their T4 monotherapy? It would be really good if you could help us with this.

Also, do you have a grasp of other languages apart from English, or is there somebody who speaks other languages that could do some checking out of any research or reviews of T3/T4 and T4 done in other languages. All this is becoming suddenly SO important.

Luv - Sheila

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Yer sure I'll try. I don't speak any other languages unfortunately, it

was never my strong point at school lol. And I don't really know

anyone who could help me either, sorry.

Jonny

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Hi Sheila, I couldn't really find much, but there is something

interesting in the subjects blood tests.

I also showed the information of the netherlands study which was in

the Escobar-Morreale article, but in this the proportions they used

were not physiological, like most of the studies, so its hard to

interpret them.

I'll send you an email with an attachment containing all this.

I don't really know if it will help as I don't know much about the

medical side of things, so my assumptions were based more on logic

than medicine - I may have not got things right because of this.

Anyway I hope there is something interesting there, and if you think I

could look for something else, let me know.

Jonny

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Perfect it is this type of literature that

is needed. Do you have the cites ? The courtroom itself is not the total real

world but it is part of the real world that matters a lot to many, many people.

Including doctors getting paid. In the bigger picture there is the ‘court’ of

public opinion which we want to sway in order to bring them in to our care.

This information could be used for all sorts of publications.

s. fuchs dc

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Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008

12:12 PM

Subject: research

“….in an auto claim a pain free and ‘seemingly’ healthy person gets

hurt. 20 years later they discover a big fat spur deforming their spinal cord.

Did the joint dysfunction cause the spur ?”

You ask a legitimate question but research will never be the

answer. You cannot isolate the variables. I can personally speculate

based upon basic research:

Spurs form in response to mechanical stress (traction spurs), or

develop as part of a progressive stabilization response to instability

(injury). The original accident may cause focal joint injury, which if

not managed properly may lead to the degeneration of the joint through lack of

proper motion and which in turn leads to the development of spurs. This

doesn’t even consider lack of mechanoreceptor stimulation and ultimate

neurological deficit from such; it doesn’t consider all the other important

factors such as is their diet pro-inflammatory, are they happy, are they active

or sedentary? All of these will affect degree of spurring (in theory).

The problem is in litigation you are trying to find “the cause” or

responsible party, and such a case is open to too many variables. In the

real world we are trying to help our patients get better and find health.

The courtroom isn’t the real world.

Just my opinion J

Seitz, DC

Tuality Physicians

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