research

[Guest guest]

Hello, you will get more info here than you can probably use! I had the lap band 4/07 w/Dr Aceves and his group....WONDERFUL docs and support staff, you will get that from EVERYONE here ... the band was the only thing I had heard of, my cousin had it. There have been a few problems but always get resolved. Nothing is perfect. In weight loss or any other procedure. Especially staying heavy!! I weighed 208 was 70 yoa and now weigh and stay at 130 within a pound or two. You will receive much more detailed info from others, but rest assured whatever procedure you decide upon you will not be able to do better than Dr. Aceves. Joanne

Re: research

I had a band originally.... biggest mistake EVER! I switched to a sleeve and that has been fantastic. Dr. A does all the surgery types.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:23 PM, greth32 <greth32 > wrote:

Hi,I'm new in this group and still researching al the WLS surgery options.Could any of you maybe tell me why you decided to have the lap band and notfor example the gastric sleeve.Does Dr. Aceves only do the lap band or also the sleeve?Thank you very much for your info. This is a big decision for me and I'm just not sure what to do. Greth

[Guest guest]

Dr. Aceves did my sleeve. I'm thrilled with it. MarilouDr. AcevesVSG~February 5, 2010 On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:23 PM, greth32 wrote:Hi,I'm new in this group and still researching al the WLS surgery options.Could any of you maybe tell me why you decided to have the lap band and notfor example the gastric sleeve.Does Dr. Aceves only do the lap band or also the sleeve?Thank you very much for your info. This is a big decision for me and I'm just not sure what to do. Greth

[Guest guest]

Here are 2 names you can look up for their past research:

Olle Johansson ~ skin mast cells, immune system changes, etc.

Bruce Hocking ~ includes objective changes, nerve fibers?

There are others as well.

>

> Hi,

>

> Someone knows if there are some researcher working with EHS people to find out

what could trigger the EHS?

>

> Thank you for any information.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I would like to become involved but I am suffering from 'not

sufficient hours in the day' and am stretching each hour as it is .

However, there must be somebody else who could perhaps have a look into this to

see if, and how, we could become involved. If somebody could do the 'home

work', this would help me tremendously.

Luv - Sheila

Hi it seems that research is to be carried out

on antobodies -effect on pregnancy . _amongst others involved - BTF and BTA !!!

Want to try to get involved Sheila ? Go back to BMJ paper done recenly -on RHS

is research highlights -it goes to BLOGS -click on project files -shows what is

proposed plus the saving to the NHS-also who is involved on the sidelines All

the best

[Guest guest]

I finally spared some time to try to make a new sub-group, related to research

and theoretical rationalization of these issues - which we are here at Esens

already elaborating, just on a more practical level...

Here is the invitation letter I drafted, so I am firstly sending it to you, as

to hear your suggestions regarding possible corrections:

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The Electrosensitivity phenomenon had initially been attributed to a radiation

model ( " energy adsorption causes cell damage " ). One of the reasons for lack of

scientific recognition of the phenomenon is inapplicability of that model. Among

worst failures of the model is the Electrosensitive persons (as well as

experimental mice) often tend to avoid shielded rooms.

This group is an attempt to draft a new model, firstly by reconsideration of

available materials, which are primarily anecdotal subjective statements, and

the available scientific articles and opinions. Separation of facts from buildup

and extrapolation would be difficult, but maybe not impossible, if we combine

hard scientific reasoning with intuition, empathy and introspection. Therefore

specially welcome are researchers who are personally invested with the issue,

preferably ES themselves. But also open minded scientists and ES survivors who

have some knowledge of the issue.

------------------

So, how does it look?

Drasko

[Guest guest]

> The Electrosensitivity phenomenon had initially been attributed to a radiation

model ( " energy adsorption causes cell damage " ). One of the reasons for lack of

scientific recognition of the phenomenon is inapplicability of that model. Among

worst failures of the model is the Electrosensitive persons (as well as

experimental mice) often tend to avoid shielded rooms.

> This group is an attempt to draft a new model, firstly by reconsideration of

available materials, which are primarily anecdotal subjective statements, and

the available scientific articles and opinions. Separation of facts from buildup

and extrapolation would be difficult, but maybe not impossible, if we combine

hard scientific reasoning with intuition, empathy and introspection. Therefore

specially welcome are researchers who are personally invested with the issue,

preferably ES themselves. But also open minded scientists and ES survivors who

have some knowledge of the issue.

> ------------------

>

> So, how does it look?

That looks good, but is a another ES group really needed? I realize that

is supposed to be a practical, " what works or doesn't work for me " group, but I

don't think anyone is prevented from suggesting theories to explain their

reactions.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello Drasko,

you wrote: *combine hard scientific reasoning*

I take part in quite a number of lists and forums.

*hard scientific reasoning* is not available.

Not even at BEMS.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

research

I finally spared some time to try to make a new sub-group, related to research

and theoretical rationalization of these issues - which we are here at Esens

already elaborating, just on a more practical level...

Here is the invitation letter I drafted, so I am firstly sending it to you, as

to hear your suggestions regarding possible corrections:

------------------

The Electrosensitivity phenomenon had initially been attributed to a radiation

model ( " energy adsorption causes cell damage " ). One of the reasons for lack of

scientific recognition of the phenomenon is inapplicability of that model. Among

worst failures of the model is the Electrosensitive persons (as well as

experimental mice) often tend to avoid shielded rooms.

This group is an attempt to draft a new model, firstly by reconsideration of

available materials, which are primarily anecdotal subjective statements, and

the available scientific articles and opinions. Separation of facts from buildup

and extrapolation would be difficult, but maybe not impossible, if we combine

hard scientific reasoning with intuition, empathy and introspection. Therefore

specially welcome are researchers who are personally invested with the issue,

preferably ES themselves. But also open minded scientists and ES survivors who

have some knowledge of the issue.

------------------

So, how does it look?

Drasko

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc,

Having greatest respect for your work on this list, I by no means would like to

split attention towards a similar list, therefore as I mentioned I liked it to

be a kind of part of this, a sub-group to Esens...

I myself don't like there are " competitive " lists like Bioelectromagnetics,

Emfrefugee, etc. which have even some same participants and some same postings

as here...

My attempt is to make something complementary and coordinated. Inserting

disciplined and moderated discussions into this already profiled group would

have been too demanding both for the rest of the this group, and for those who

would like to focus on particular subjects in depth, I think.

Also, I plan to send occasional reports here to hear the opinions on the

conclusions.

One more thing: maybe I din't make it clear, but my accent is more focused

towards separating facts, than to offering theories, so there is work to be done

- if I succeed in collecting enough people interested to work and oppose

thoughts through constructive discussions...

So do I have your agreement something such won't interfere with this list

(much)?

Drasko

>

> > The Electrosensitivity phenomenon had initially been attributed to a

radiation model ( " energy adsorption causes cell damage " ). One of the reasons for

lack of scientific recognition of the phenomenon is inapplicability of that

model. Among worst failures of the model is the Electrosensitive persons (as

well as experimental mice) often tend to avoid shielded rooms.

> > This group is an attempt to draft a new model, firstly by reconsideration of

available materials, which are primarily anecdotal subjective statements, and

the available scientific articles and opinions. Separation of facts from buildup

and extrapolation would be difficult, but maybe not impossible, if we combine

hard scientific reasoning with intuition, empathy and introspection. Therefore

specially welcome are researchers who are personally invested with the issue,

preferably ES themselves. But also open minded scientists and ES survivors who

have some knowledge of the issue.

> > ------------------

> >

> > So, how does it look?

>

> That looks good, but is a another ES group really needed? I realize that

is supposed to be a practical, " what works or doesn't work for me " group,

but I don't think anyone is prevented from suggesting theories to explain their

reactions.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> I myself don't like there are " competitive " lists like Bioelectromagnetics,

Emfrefugee, etc.

> which have even some same participants and some same postings as here...

I don't see those groups as " competing " with -- has its own focus,

which I

think is different than the focus in those groups. I think " EMF Refugee " is

*supposed*

to be about finding places where there are low levels of EMF, but in reality

they seem to

discuss almost anything related to EMF. The main problem I see with that group

is

that there are some close-minded people that prevent an open discussion.

So yes, if you want to create another group that has its own specific focus and

rules

which differ from this one, then please do! Those who are interested can be

members

of both groups...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marc,

Having greatest respect for your work on this list, I by no means would like to

split attention towards a similar list, therefore as I mentioned I liked it to

be a kind of part of this, a sub-group to Esens...

I myself don't like there are " competitive " lists like Bioelectromagnetics,

Emfrefugee, etc. which have even some same participants and some same postings

as here...

My attempt is to make something complementary and coordinated. Inserting

disciplined and moderated discussions into this already profiled group would

have been too demanding both for the rest of the this group, and for those who

would like to focus on particular subjects in depth, I think.

Also, I plan to send occasional reports here to hear the opinions on the

conclusions.

One more thing: maybe I din't make it clear, but my accent is more focused

towards separating facts, than to offering theories, so there is work to be done

- if I succeed in collecting enough people interested to work and oppose

thoughts through constructive discussions...

So do I have your agreement something such won't interfere with this list

(much)?

Drasko

>

> > The Electrosensitivity phenomenon had initially been attributed to a

radiation model ( " energy adsorption causes cell damage " ). One of the reasons for

lack of scientific recognition of the phenomenon is inapplicability of that

model. Among worst failures of the model is the Electrosensitive persons (as

well as experimental mice) often tend to avoid shielded rooms.

> > This group is an attempt to draft a new model, firstly by reconsideration of

available materials, which are primarily anecdotal subjective statements, and

the available scientific articles and opinions. Separation of facts from buildup

and extrapolation would be difficult, but maybe not impossible, if we combine

hard scientific reasoning with intuition, empathy and introspection. Therefore

specially welcome are researchers who are personally invested with the issue,

preferably ES themselves. But also open minded scientists and ES survivors who

have some knowledge of the issue.

> > ------------------

> >

> > So, how does it look?

>

> That looks good, but is a another ES group really needed? I realize that

is supposed to be a practical, " what works or doesn't work for me " group,

but I don't think anyone is prevented from suggesting theories to explain their

reactions.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Drasko,

I don't see what you would like to accomplish here.

Would you like to start about discussing for instance the theme *longitudinal

waves* ?

Or the *SFT* (Self Field Theory) by which many things can be explained which the

quantum theory is not capable of?

There are other lists where such items are discussed, by scientists.

Where they are researching the use of magnetical fields in order to obtain

anesthesia and narcosis.

Or the phenomenon of *dirty air* of which I seem the only person capable of

measuring it?

(Why the Stetzer filters and the Stetzer meter are inadequate and insufficient.)

I see postings passing by of people who would like to assemble a body voltage

meter, without the elementary knowledge how to measure it properly, and thus

coming to faulty conclusions.

So, who is going to discuss?

I am certainly not adequate enough.

And who is?

Sure, you do have a number of questions for which you would like to have

answers.

I also do.

But in order to get useful answers we have to step outside of the normal

channels of paradigmas.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: research

Hi, Marc,

Having greatest respect for your work on this list, I by no means would like

to split attention towards a similar list, therefore as I mentioned I liked it

to be a kind of part of this, a sub-group to Esens...

I myself don't like there are " competitive " lists like Bioelectromagnetics,

Emfrefugee, etc. which have even some same participants and some same postings

as here...

My attempt is to make something complementary and coordinated. Inserting

disciplined and moderated discussions into this already profiled group would

have been too demanding both for the rest of the this group, and for those who

would like to focus on particular subjects in depth, I think.

Also, I plan to send occasional reports here to hear the opinions on the

conclusions.

One more thing: maybe I din't make it clear, but my accent is more focused

towards separating facts, than to offering theories, so there is work to be done

- if I succeed in collecting enough people interested to work and oppose

thoughts through constructive discussions...

So do I have your agreement something such won't interfere with this list

(much)?

Drasko

>

> > The Electrosensitivity phenomenon had initially been attributed to a

radiation model ( " energy adsorption causes cell damage " ). One of the reasons for

lack of scientific recognition of the phenomenon is inapplicability of that

model. Among worst failures of the model is the Electrosensitive persons (as

well as experimental mice) often tend to avoid shielded rooms.

> > This group is an attempt to draft a new model, firstly by reconsideration

of available materials, which are primarily anecdotal subjective statements, and

the available scientific articles and opinions. Separation of facts from buildup

and extrapolation would be difficult, but maybe not impossible, if we combine

hard scientific reasoning with intuition, empathy and introspection. Therefore

specially welcome are researchers who are personally invested with the issue,

preferably ES themselves. But also open minded scientists and ES survivors who

have some knowledge of the issue.

> > ------------------

> >

> > So, how does it look?

>

> That looks good, but is a another ES group really needed? I realize that

is supposed to be a practical, " what works or doesn't work for me " group,

but I don't think anyone is prevented from suggesting theories to explain their

reactions.

>

> Marc

>

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