Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Can someone send what cell towers omit? It was explained 4G is 700 Mghz. What is the rate of pulsing at short distance vs. so many ft? What about stronger pulsing at phone bases? Thanks, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Â >What about stronger pulsing at phone bases? I was at my sister's house & first night was ok because I guess my body burden topped out but the second night I burned to death. Migraine headache. I had to get the heck out. Â Well they went to italy so I can stay there if I can tolerate and last night I figured out it was the dang dect cordless phone burning me up. Unplugged it and I was fine! Â I'm so grateful to have a bed to sleep in and a roof over my head for a couple of weeks. Â Loni From: KathyB <calicocat477@...> Subject: Strength of Cell Towers Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 7:55 AM Â Can someone send what cell towers omit? It was explained 4G is 700 Mghz. What is the rate of pulsing at short distance vs. so many ft? What about stronger pulsing at phone bases? Thanks, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 > Can someone send what cell towers omit? > It was explained 4G is 700 Mghz. No, it was explained that 4G LTE offered by Verizon in the USA is 700Mhz. Other types of " 4G " may be different. And the various 2G/3G towers have their own frequencies, with AT & T being different than Verizon, and International being different than the USA. But in general, I think they are all transmitting in the range of 700 Mhz - 2500 Mhz. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I found out that AT & T launched their " Blackberry Torch " phone 3 weeks ago and that is when I came home from camping and found my house intolerable.  Then on the 8th of Sept Verizon launched the " Bionic " phone and that particular day was agony!  Sept 4th AT & T launched the " LG Thrill 3D "  phone.  So we're getting more and more radiation and these companies don't care.  Marc; At bull dog canyon where I sleep (used to) the whole park is blanketed with this burning frequency and I can't even find a safe place behind a burm or bushes. It's terrifying.  So is it the lower frequency 700 Mhz or the bandwith that is so harmful to me?  The 4G has been going on since last year here and only when these phones were released has it been totally intolerable for me so I'm thinking it is this bandwith.  But I don't understand any of this technical stuff but would really like to know what is hurting me.  Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 11:54 AM  > Can someone send what cell towers omit? > It was explained 4G is 700 Mghz. No, it was explained that 4G LTE offered by Verizon in the USA is 700Mhz. Other types of " 4G " may be different. And the various 2G/3G towers have their own frequencies, with AT & T being different than Verizon, and International being different than the USA. But in general, I think they are all transmitting in the range of 700 Mhz - 2500 Mhz. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 > I found out that AT & T launched their " Blackberry Torch " phone 3 weeks ago and that is > when I came home from camping and found my house intolerable. Might be a coincidence -- that phone uses the older 4G. > Then on the 8th of Sept Verizon launched the " Bionic " phone and that particular day was agony! That phone uses the newer 4G LTE. > Sept 4th AT & T launched the " LG Thrill 3D " phone. Older 4G. > So is it the lower frequency 700 Mhz or the bandwith that is so harmful to me? Only the 4G LTE (the Verizon Bionic phones) is using that particular frequency, and I don't even know if this is available in your area (as I'm sure they start with the major cities and gradually spread it throughout the country). Although I'm sure the Verizon website has coverage maps. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 ' Mark, 4 G bothers me the most too. Awful being cooked. Would be nice if more felt it so something could be done faster. Feel different levels of burning out driving. I don't look at others phones much to tell you which bothers me more. Kathy  <marc@...>  Re: Strength of Cell Towers  > I found out that AT & T launched their " Blackberry Torch " phone 3 weeks ago and that is > when I came home from camping and found my house intolerable. Might be a coincidence -- that phone uses the older 4G.  > Then on the 8th of Sept Verizon launched the " Bionic " phone and that particular day was agony! That phone uses the newer 4G LTE.  > Sept 4th AT & T launched the " LG Thrill 3D "  phone. Older 4G. > So is it the lower frequency 700 Mhz or the bandwith that is so harmful to me? Only the 4G LTE (the Verizon Bionic phones) is using that particular frequency, and I don't even know if this is available in your area (as I'm sure they start with the major cities and gradually spread it throughout the country). Although I'm sure the Verizon website has coverage maps. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 What do you mean older 4G? And wouldn't AT & T be increasing the bandwidth or whatever they do to make it transmit faster?  Loni  From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 2:38 PM  > I found out that AT & T launched their " Blackberry Torch " phone 3 weeks ago and that is > when I came home from camping and found my house intolerable. Might be a coincidence -- that phone uses the older 4G.  > Then on the 8th of Sept Verizon launched the " Bionic " phone and that particular day was agony! That phone uses the newer 4G LTE.  > Sept 4th AT & T launched the " LG Thrill 3D "  phone. Older 4G. > So is it the lower frequency 700 Mhz or the bandwith that is so harmful to me? Only the 4G LTE (the Verizon Bionic phones) is using that particular frequency, and I don't even know if this is available in your area (as I'm sure they start with the major cities and gradually spread it throughout the country). Although I'm sure the Verizon website has coverage maps. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 > What do you mean older 4G? And wouldn't AT & T be increasing the bandwidth > or whatever they do to make it transmit faster? What I mean is that the term " 4G " is used to mean all sorts of things -- some companies (e.g., AT & T) are even calling their old 3G systems " 4G " ! AT & T is indeed in the process of upgrading speeds of their 4G systems, with their 3G (HSPA) systems upgraded to HSPA+ (both being called " 4G " ), and their own 700Mhz 4G LTE (incompatible with Verizon's 700Mhz 4G LTE), is being rolled out soon - by the end of the year, AT & T expects to have 4G LTE available in 15 USA cities. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Loni wrote: > So is it the lower frequency 700 Mhz or the bandwith that is so harmful to me? > > The 4G has been going on since last year here and only when these phones were released has it been totally intolerable for me so I'm thinking it is this bandwith. > I would say you are correct. When more users come online, and start using their new toys, the amount of traffic being transmitted from the tower increases, and the transmissions from the phones themselves, if they are nearby, will get you also. However, in urban areas where the tower is closeby, say within a mile, then the cell phone does not need to transmit at full power to be heard. So focus on the towers as causing the most harm, and with the more usage, the more transmitting of digital bursts, the higher bandwidth being utilized, thus the higher power density, the higher readings on good meters. The other possibility, is the pattern of the communications protocol. I have heard and read it is the digital content that we with ES are reacting to, the pattern of the little digital jackhammers. Also note, applying my statement to WiFi is okay, as the router in the home becomes the equivalent of a tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Loni wrote: > Well they went to italy so I can stay there if I can tolerate and last night I figured out it was the > dang dect cordless phone burning me up. Unplugged it and I was fine! > Three cheers! Good for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 So that means more radiation when AT & T rolls that out correct? Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 5:46 PM  > What do you mean older 4G? And wouldn't AT & T be increasing the bandwidth > or whatever they do to make it transmit faster? What I mean is that the term " 4G " is used to mean all sorts of things -- some companies (e.g., AT & T) are even calling their old 3G systems " 4G " ! AT & T is indeed in the process of upgrading speeds of their 4G systems, with their 3G (HSPA) systems upgraded to HSPA+ (both being called " 4G " ), and their own 700Mhz 4G LTE (incompatible with Verizon's 700Mhz 4G LTE), is being rolled out soon - by the end of the year, AT & T expects to have 4G LTE available in 15 USA cities. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Thanks ! I have a couple of weeks with a roof over my head at night. Yay! Loni > Well they went to italy so I can stay there if I can tolerate and last night I figured out it was the > dang dect cordless phone burning me up. Unplugged it and I was fine! > Three cheers! Good for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 > So that means more radiation when AT & T rolls that out correct? Loni Yes, the radiation level is going to increase until some of these cellphone companies go out of business or agree to use compatible towers, or people cut back on their phone usage... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 What can we do about this? I want to scream. Call FCC and complain? Congress?  Any ideas anyone? Frying in Arizona!  Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers Date: Saturday, September 17, 2011, 11:37 AM  > So that means more radiation when AT & T rolls that out correct? Loni Yes, the radiation level is going to increase until some of these cellphone companies go out of business or agree to use compatible towers, or people cut back on their phone usage... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 What would have stopped people from smoking in the 1950's? On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Loni wrote: > What can we do about this? I want to scream. Call FCC and complain? Congress? > > Any ideas anyone? Frying in Arizona! Loni > > > > > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers > > Date: Saturday, September 17, 2011, 11:37 AM > > > > > > >> So that means more radiation when AT & T rolls that out correct? Loni > > Yes, the radiation level is going to increase until some of these cellphone > companies go out of business or agree to use compatible towers, or > people cut back on their phone usage... > > Marc > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ob my God. There must be something we can do. Kathy From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers  > So that means more radiation when AT & T rolls that out correct? Loni Yes, the radiation level is going to increase until some of these cellphone companies go out of business or agree to use compatible towers, or people cut back on their phone usage... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 They would have to have come out that it causes cancer. Why can't we use we don't want to be exposed to a class 2 carcinogen? You'd have to prove the ranges that would expose. Could use that for smart meters as well. Kathy From: McAfee <amcafeerr@...> : Re: Strength of Cell Towers What would have stopped people from smoking in the 1950's? On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Loni wrote: > What can we do about this? I want to scream. Call FCC and complain? Congress? > > Any ideas anyone? Frying in Arizona! Loni > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 How can we find out what we have in place now? Do you think they'd tell you the truth? Kathy  <marc@...> Re: Strength of Cell Towers  > do you mean older 4G? And wouldn't AT & T be increasing the bandwidth > or whatever they do to make it transmit faster? What I mean is that the term " 4G " is used to mean all sorts of things -- some companies (e.g., AT & T) are even calling their old 3G systems " 4G " ! AT & T is indeed in the process of upgrading speeds of their 4G systems, with their 3G (HSPA) systems upgraded to HSPA+ (both being called " 4G " ), and their own 700Mhz 4G LTE (incompatible with Verizon's 700Mhz 4G LTE), is being rolled out soon - by the end of the year, AT & T expects to have 4G LTE available in 15 USA cities. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Doing a PR campaign that makes us, those complaining, look like the mainstream, calm, rational people and pitting the telecom industry as the villains, is a good start. Going after the minds of the sheeple and swinging their vote, is the goal. Get 10% of the population to believe/support us and the other 89% will follow. The other 1% is above/below/off the radar. Get babies, mothers, old people, children doing YouTube adds, telling how evil the conniving, sinister telecom executives are trying to do what big tobacco did during the 40's, 50's, 60's to us all, the innocent victims. Needs to have solid research/info behind the claims as well as nice, good looking professionals calmly reporting the facts, not excited, fringe whack jobs. Got any body with a camera willing to do high end productions? Liz Barris with americanassociationforcellphonesafetygooglegroups is fund raising for her new video to finish editing and make it to the big screen. This needs gut wrenching stories that will " move " people out of their addicted mind controlled states of stupor. Expect this to take at least 10-15 years. The other way is the way of the terrorist. I won't condone that way because since " they " control everything, violence, as a response to the overwhelming control of the telecom industry, will be labelled as terrorism. You'll be in jail before sun down. On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:32 PM, KathyB wrote: > > Ob my God. There must be something we can do. > > Kathy > > > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: Strength of Cell Towers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> So that means more radiation when AT & T rolls that out correct? Loni > > > > Yes, the radiation level is going to increase until some of these cellphone > > companies go out of business or agree to use compatible towers, or > > people cut back on their phone usage... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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