Guest guest Posted July 14, 2000 Report Share Posted July 14, 2000 > The inability to keep sufficient quantities of lithium in the body is > considered the cause of manic depression\ bi-polar disorder. Just yesterday our consultant mentioned a participant he knows from another program: child has diagnosis of autism and the mother has a diagnosis of bi-polar. One in our program has the same scenario. I wondered aloud about the occurence (sp?)of this combo in comparison with the general population. I'm betting toxic overload as the common factor, just manifesting differently in the various generations. Reminds me of Pottenger's cats in a sense... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Where do sports heroes like Jeter, Mia Hamm, > Vince and Peyton Manning hang out? Where else? > Click now and find ‘em all here! > 1/6211/11/_/442641/_/962899209/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _ > > Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/epilepsy treatment > > > Send blank message to this e-mail address if you want to: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!! : > > epilepsy treatment-unsubscribeonelist > > To change status from normal to digest: > epilepsy treatment-digestonelist > > To change status from digest to normal: > epilepsy treatment-normalonelist > > To subscribe: > epilepsy treatment-subscribeonelist > > List Archives: > /archives.cgi/epilepsy treatment > > > Web sites: > http://home.sol.no/~dusan/epilepsy.html > http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitespage.html > > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 > The inability to keep sufficient quantities of lithium in the body is > considered the cause of manic depression\ bi-polar disorder. Mercury depletes several minerals including lithium, and lithium has vital roles regarding calcium & glutamate balance that are relevant to condtions involving depression, Parkinson's, violent-prone behavior, etc. I have some info and references in some of my papers on this. Someone at my health food store says that the Medical establishment is resposnsible for much of the depression and mania type conditons so prevelent, not only by exposing people to things like mercury that cause such, but by preventing supplement manufacturers from including lithium in multiminerals and supplements although it is an essential nutrient with several important body functions(as documented in my papers). Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 yeah, like take a pill if you have social anxiety disorder, it won't hurt, come on..... Kathy [ ] re: lithium > > >> The inability to keep sufficient quantities of lithium in the body >is >> considered the cause of manic depression\ bi-polar disorder. > > >Mercury depletes several minerals including lithium, and lithium has >vital roles regarding calcium & glutamate balance that are relevant to >condtions involving depression, Parkinson's, violent-prone behavior, >etc. I have some info and references in some of my papers on this. > Someone at my health food store says that the Medical >establishment is resposnsible for much of the depression and mania type >conditons so prevelent, not only by exposing people to things like >mercury that cause such, but by preventing supplement manufacturers from >including lithium in multiminerals and supplements although it is an >essential nutrient with several important body functions(as documented >in my papers). >Bernie > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! >Visit Firetalk.com - click below. >1/5479/9/_/705339/_/964495142/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 I see several people have posted about lithium today, Just wanted to make a comment here. Lithium can be toxic in too high of quantities. Lithium is generally used to treat Bi-polar disorder (manic- depressive syndrome). There is actually a very narrow range on lithium levels. That is why it is a prescription drug, or sold only through medical supplement supply companies and not for the general public to buy. It is not necessarily " the corrupt government " that causes some of these regulations to be put into place. (No, that does not mean I agree with everything the FDA does, but sometimes, some constraints are there for a purpose.) Ruth In a message dated 2/23/01 10:29:26 AM, writes: << Message: 24 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:55:09 -0800 From: Moria Merriweather <moriam@...> Subject: obscure source of lithium Hi Bernie, For sources of lithium, I know this is kinda obscure, but the water in Ashland Oregon has a lot of lithium. There is a " mineral water " they have there that is VERY high in lithium-- at one time (long ago) there were plans for building a health resort there, to capitalize on the " healing water " (or something like that). I speculate that the tap water there is also higher than usual in lithium. I figure that helps explain why the whole town is so darned happy! (This might sound like I'm joking, but, actually I'm not.... this has been my theory for some time.) I don't know of any way to get the mineral water except to go there...... If you go there you can fill up your plastic jugs at a couple of places around the town. It is quite strong tasting water, and has interesting health claims that are treated as " tales " in the town. best regards, Moria RESPONDING TO: Message: 21 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:04:18 -0500 From: Bernard Windham <berniew1@...> Subject: re: lithium stimulates production of brain cells The Nov 11, 2000 Science News and Oct 7 Lancet review some studies that document that many chronic neurologic conditions involve death of brain cells and lack of proper development of brain cells in some areas of the brain like the hippocampus in childhood conditions. The studies found that lithium treatment causes regeneration and growth of brain cells in such areas of the brain. The studies even suggest lithium may be useful in degenerative neurological conditions like stroke, ALS, Parkinson's, etc. I have posted before that toxic metals like mercury cause essential mineral deficiencies of mineral like magnesium, zinc, and lithium. All of these are common mineral defieciences and especially in metal toxic. Lithium is necessary for protection of the brain from glutamate, etc. and for calcium related functions. Low lithium levels results in depression, agression, violence, etc. in a lot of studies, and supplementation of lithium should be done standardly IMO, esp. in areas with low lithium in the water or people with metal toxicity, etc. But the doctors have declared this essential mineral off limits to supplements I think so one normally has to order it prescription, at a much higher price. It probably is possible to find a supplement with it if you test low or have the symptoms related to low lithium. Some brewer's yeast has it I heard? Anybody know anythng about sources of lithium?? Bernie >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2001 Report Share Posted February 24, 2001 In a message dated 2/23/01 3:56:17 PM Central Standard Time, RMart620@... writes: << Lithium can be toxic in too high of quantities. Lithium is generally used to treat Bi-polar disorder (manic-depressive syndrome). There is actually a very narrow range on lithium levels. >> To add to this, if the testing shows low lithium and you decide to supplement, do so carefully and be sure to be closely monitored by a doctor who will watch the levels closely. My son's first doc put him on very low-dose lithium due to testing showing it low and he did fine for about a month then started having radical mood swings and tantrums on it. If he ever showed low again, I'd go very slow with it and retest every month or so. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 At 04:50 PM 2/23/01 -0500, you wrote: I see several people have posted about lithium today, Just wanted to make a comment here. Lithium can be toxic in too high of quantities. Lithium is generally used to treat Bi-polar disorder (manic- depressive syndrome). There is actually a very narrow range on lithium levels. That is why it is a prescription drug, or sold only through medical supplement supply companies and not for the general public to buy. It is not necessarily " the corrupt government " that causes some of these regulations to be put into place. (No, that does not mean I agree with everything the FDA does, but sometimes, some constraints are there for a purpose.) Ruth You are talking about lithium carbonate. There are many other forms. In a message dated 2/23/01 10:29:26 AM, writes: << Message: 24 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:55:09 -0800 From: Moria Merriweather <moriam@...> Subject: obscure source of lithium Hi Bernie, For sources of lithium, I know this is kinda obscure, but the water in Ashland Oregon has a lot of lithium. There is a " mineral water " they have there that is VERY high in lithium-- at one time (long ago) there were plans for building a health resort there, to capitalize on the " healing water " (or something like that). I speculate that the tap water there is also higher than usual in lithium. I figure that helps explain why the whole town is so darned happy! (This might sound like I'm joking, but, actually I'm not.... this has been my theory for some time.) I don't know of any way to get the mineral water except to go there...... If you go there you can fill up your plastic jugs at a couple of places around the town. It is quite strong tasting water, and has interesting health claims that are treated as " tales " in the town. best regards, Moria RESPONDING TO: Message: 21 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:04:18 -0500 From: Bernard Windham <berniew1@...> Subject: re: lithium stimulates production of brain cells The Nov 11, 2000 Science News and Oct 7 Lancet review some studies that document that many chronic neurologic conditions involve death of brain cells and lack of proper development of brain cells in some areas of the brain like the hippocampus in childhood conditions. The studies found that lithium treatment causes regeneration and growth of brain cells in such areas of the brain. The studies even suggest lithium may be useful in degenerative neurological conditions like stroke, ALS, Parkinson's, etc. I have posted before that toxic metals like mercury cause essential mineral deficiencies of mineral like magnesium, zinc, and lithium. All of these are common mineral defieciences and especially in metal toxic. Lithium is necessary for protection of the brain from glutamate, etc. and for calcium related functions. Low lithium levels results in depression, agression, violence, etc. in a lot of studies, and supplementation of lithium should be done standardly IMO, esp. in areas with low lithium in the water or people with metal toxicity, etc. But the doctors have declared this essential mineral off limits to supplements I think so one normally has to order it prescription, at a much higher price. It probably is possible to find a supplement with it if you test low or have the symptoms related to low lithium. Some brewer's yeast has it I heard? Anybody know anythng about sources of lithium?? Bernie >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2001 Report Share Posted April 24, 2001 Vitamin Research Products has lithium oratate that is relatively inexpensive and says it is useful in a lot of neurological conditions. If you go to their site www.vrp.com and search products for lithium or lithium oratate you will find an article with a lot of references on its value and use. in depression, mania, agressive behavior, etc. Like a lot of minerals such as selenium zinc, etc. its possible to get too much but lithium oratate in reasonable doses appears to be a safe product. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 One way to tell whether or not an adult would benefit from lithium oratate is to feel the bottom of the chin at the neck. If you have loose skin, that is said to be a sign. No idea how to tell whether or not it would benefit a child, but during my studies within a mental hospital, I did see adult autistics grow calmer and more apt to listen more fully when they were given lithium, so in cases where the child's behaviour is unmanageable and it is not necessarily caused by mercury or other contaminants, or even mood disorders brought on by Candida albicans, perhaps a small dosage of lithium would be one other thing a parent might consider ... Lithium is also in colloidal mineral supplements, but not in a high dose. Perhaps a trial for 3 months with something like that would be a good first step? It seems Dr. D. Wallach has a great and vibrant, brilliant and jovial spirit (a former contender for The Nobel Prize for Medicine - 1991) and he advocates colloidal minerals. One might also try chrysanthemum tea. The Japanese are famed for inducing serenity and peace of mind with chrysanthemum tea that also contains hibiscus and it is sold in Oriental food markets. It is also an excellent source of niacin and niacin is used as part of the cure for avoidance of a hangover ... the total cure is orange juice, water and niacin and keeps the alcohol from reaching the blood-brain barrier. There was a special on this topic on The Discovery Channel. Now, since we are dealing in many cases with the gluten molecule reaching past the blood-brain barrier, it makes some sense to me that niacin supplementation in a natural form might strengthen the blood-brain barrier, but I am just guessing. I am wondering if wakame (sea weed) contains lithium as a trace mineral. This is what I feed my daughter but Andy or someone else might say it contains mercury, so I do wonder ... it is unlikely since the Japanese are very much aware of mercury toxicity ... We have Japanese television in my mother's home and they announce new findings on brain research on NHK. One day a multitude of cats willingly and together in unison jumped off a pier in a tiny Japanese village. This was so unheard of that researchers studied what happened in that village and concluded the cats were poisoned by methyl mercury ingestion. Later that village had an influx of cerebral palsied children so researchers were able to link methyl mercury ingestion during formation of the brain to cerebral palsy. Since we are dealing with muscular development problems in the world of autism and now we know about mercury's link, it is no wonder, I think ... It could be, I think, that if the mercury has attacked the left hemisphere, the muscular development and coordinative abilities might be harmed, causing that " subgroup " in autism and if the spiritual side (right hemisphere) is poisoned, we have children reacting in a more violent manner, but this is also a guess ... Minc Minc [ ] re: lithium > Vitamin Research Products has lithium oratate that is relatively > inexpensive and says it is useful in a lot of neurological conditions. > If you go to their site www.vrp.com > and search products for lithium or lithium oratate you will > find an article with a lot of references on its value and use. > in depression, mania, agressive behavior, etc. Like a lot of > minerals such as selenium zinc, etc. its possible to get too much but > lithium oratate in reasonable doses appears to be a safe product. > Bernie > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Has anyone ever heard of using subclinical doses of Lithium to balance Free T3. My son has high Free T3, his doctor says he is hyperthyroid and has recommended a subclinical dose (300mg.) of Lithium. I can't find information on this use of Lithium and wondered if anyone knows anything about it. Thanks, Pat *************** Lithium is an essential mineral that about half of the population is deficient in to start with and probably most of PDD kids since mercury inhibits. Lithium is protective against mercury damage. People with low lithium tend to have more psychological related problems such as depression, agressivenes, anger, etc. But its possible to get to much also. Both my son and I had very low lithium and we are taking lithium oratate supplements currently from www.vrpcentral.net you can find info there are in my previous posts or in the toxic metals paper on my web page. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 , My son has always shown very low in lithium also. I'm currently givning him lithium oratate supplements along with his multi, etc. I get the lithium oratate from www.vrpcentral.com they have info about it; there is also a lot of medical study documentation at www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/tmlbn.html Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 You generally have to give it continuously since the problem is lack of retention. It does work wonders for emotionally bouncy people. Andy > Bernie, > How long is a " round " ? Does that take care of super low hair test levels of > lithium? Or does one need to retest periodically & give another " round " of > lithium based on results? > > > > > > You might consider a round of lithium oratate from www.vrpcentral.net > > I did that with my son. > > Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 FWIW, my son's hair lithium was " off the chart " low on his initial prechelation test. After about 6 rounds of DMSA only the second hair test showed lithium exactly in the 50th percentile! Other essential elements began to look more normal as well. I took this as a good sign. He certainly could have been described as emotionally bouncy too. Good luck to you, Judy > Bernie, > How long is a " round " ? Does that take care of super low hair test levels of > lithium? Or does one need to retest periodically & give another " round " of > lithium based on results? > > > > > > You might consider a round of lithium oratate from www.vrpcentral.net > > I did that with my son. > > Bernie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Hi, Also FWIW, my daughter's past hair analysis showed high lithium, and a recent post-chelation urinalysis showed pegged-to-the-right high lithium (see my 10 Sept. post). And she's certainly emotionally bouncy, so I wouldn't recommend lithium supplementation on bouciness. | FWIW, my son's hair lithium was " off the chart " low on his initial | prechelation test. After about 6 rounds of DMSA only the second | hair test showed lithium exactly in the 50th percentile! Other | essential elements began to look more normal as well. I took this | as a good sign. He certainly could have been described as | emotionally bouncy too. Good luck to you, Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 I was recently told of a study that showed Autistic children had half the rate of lithium then the typical children and that the mothers had even less lithium then the autistic children. Wondering if I should get a blood test for myself and my child? Or is this a fact we do not know what to do with yet. Also, same study said that our kids were very low in Iodine and that may explain why our kids are salt cravers. Mine sure is but I buy salt without Iodine. I was told to change my salt to one that has Iodine. [ ] Lithium Someone posted about giving their child lithium to control aggressive behavior. It isn't normally given to children. Its not recommended for pregnant women either and Ive seen what lithium does to a baby in the womb. Not good. I Wouldn't. But its your choice. Kalzangluv ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 yeah, i think lithium is important for new neurons. solaray make a 5 mg lithium aspartate but unless you are using it to help with mood swings you need so little a bottle will last about 12 years. bascially an adult takes in about 100 mcg a day so i take about 1/5 of a capsule every six or seven days which actually is quite a bit more than 100 mcg. someone i know takes considerably larger amounts for mood swings but i would advise caution. > >also i think the occasional low dose of lithium > >(1 mg) once a week? also may help with this. > > Harry's hair test showed *virtually nil* lithium. Is it something I should be supplementing? > TIA > Prue > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 > > 2. helps with weight gain > > > > 4. immune modualtor? > > 5. low levels strongly associated with behavior disorders. > > > 7. has some interaction with fluoride, may displace it and be > displaced by it which would make fluoride a disaster for tasmania > with its low lithium levels. > . > > 9. lithium hair levels seem to relate directly to intake, low hair > lithium probably means low lithuim intake. perth tasmania and nz and > possibly other areas of austrlaia have low lithium? Hi , no 2. is looking good : ) as do 4. & 5. 7. Ivé thrown away our floride toothpaste & got a herbal slightly abrasive paste, " No not full of sugar or flavours etc " . 9. I remember you telling me you had always been moody lol. I am having amazing results using it myself in relation to onset of menoupause problems & Mercury dump from 4 filling removals 6mths ago. I will post when Ive been using it for longer.Went shopping with new eyes and could not believe how almost impossible it is to find anything minus sugar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I had a look on my daughter's tests (I have all the tests with me.... everywhere I go...I know the results by heart.....that's weird isn't it ?) and YEP, the Lithium doesn't show at all (is less that 0.001). HHHMMMM. I'm gonna search in the group archives for any threads on this. If you could shed some light on this, it will be very much appreciated. Rgds, Mihail > > " The cellular lithium is great >too (thanks ). " > > Well I'd been posting about lithium for a while - (asking questions and umming and ahhing) because as a nurse I have seen patients treated with it for mood disorders. looked into it and posted back and in the end he sent me some to try. Ha! So I tried it and it's great (for us). But the first thing was there was *no* lithium on his hair test. I will post my supps later. > Prue > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Hi Anne, Lithium is not really something you wish to be taking. It does carry alot of problems all by itself. Here is a recipe you can make that should help you: 1 ounce Lobelia seed, crushed (Lobelia inflata) 1 ounces Skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora) 1 ounce Skunk cabbage (Symplocarpus foetidus) 1 ounce Gum Myrrh (Commiphora myrrha var. molmol) 1 ounce Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa) 1/2 ounce Cayenne Macerate the abovt in a minimum of 1 piint of 100 proof vodka or Everclear (use enough alcohol to cover all the herbs) in a tightly capped vessel, and shake well at least once a day. After 14 days, strain, squeeze or press out the liquid. Dosage would be 1 to several drops twice a day. --OR-- you could just make a tea infusion of the above herbs and take up to a teaspoonful in a glass of water morning and night. Peace, love and light, Don Quai " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " Anne wrote: > Does anyone know anything about Lithium? I read that it has an effect > on the nervous system and was wondering if it would be helpful for > tremors. I am trying to get off Propranolol and was wondering if > Lithium would be a good replacement. I am really having a difficult > time with the tremors when I skip a dose of Propranolol. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:21:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, daisyng81@... writes: My son is extremely low in lithium. Where can i purchase Lithium? I got ours at _www.vrp.com_ (http://www.vrp.com) Kerrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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