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> The inability to keep sufficient quantities of lithium in the body is

> considered the cause of manic depression\ bi-polar disorder.

Just yesterday our consultant mentioned a participant he knows from another

program: child has diagnosis of autism and the mother has a diagnosis of

bi-polar. One in our program has the same scenario. I wondered aloud about

the occurence (sp?)of this combo in comparison with the general population.

I'm betting toxic overload as the common factor, just manifesting

differently in the various generations. Reminds me of Pottenger's cats in a

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> The inability to keep sufficient quantities of lithium in the body

is

> considered the cause of manic depression\ bi-polar disorder.

Mercury depletes several minerals including lithium, and lithium has

vital roles regarding calcium & glutamate balance that are relevant to

condtions involving depression, Parkinson's, violent-prone behavior,

etc. I have some info and references in some of my papers on this.

Someone at my health food store says that the Medical

establishment is resposnsible for much of the depression and mania type

conditons so prevelent, not only by exposing people to things like

mercury that cause such, but by preventing supplement manufacturers from

including lithium in multiminerals and supplements although it is an

essential nutrient with several important body functions(as documented

in my papers).

Bernie

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yeah, like take a pill if you have social anxiety disorder, it won't hurt,

come on.....

Kathy

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>> The inability to keep sufficient quantities of lithium in the body

>is

>> considered the cause of manic depression\ bi-polar disorder.

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>Mercury depletes several minerals including lithium, and lithium has

>vital roles regarding calcium & glutamate balance that are relevant to

>condtions involving depression, Parkinson's, violent-prone behavior,

>etc. I have some info and references in some of my papers on this.

> Someone at my health food store says that the Medical

>establishment is resposnsible for much of the depression and mania type

>conditons so prevelent, not only by exposing people to things like

>mercury that cause such, but by preventing supplement manufacturers from

>including lithium in multiminerals and supplements although it is an

>essential nutrient with several important body functions(as documented

>in my papers).

>Bernie

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I see several people have posted about lithium today,

Just wanted to make a comment here. Lithium can be toxic in too high of

quantities. Lithium is generally used to treat Bi-polar disorder (manic-

depressive syndrome). There is actually a very narrow range on lithium

levels.

That is why it is a prescription drug, or sold only through medical

supplement supply companies and not for the general public to buy. It is not

necessarily " the corrupt government " that causes some of these regulations to

be put into place. (No, that does not mean I agree with everything the FDA

does, but sometimes, some constraints are there for a purpose.)

Ruth

In a message dated 2/23/01 10:29:26 AM, writes:

<< Message: 24

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:55:09 -0800

From: Moria Merriweather <moriam@...>

Subject: obscure source of lithium

Hi Bernie,

For sources of lithium, I know this is kinda obscure, but

the water in Ashland Oregon has a lot of lithium. There

is a " mineral water " they have there that is VERY high in

lithium-- at one time (long ago) there were plans for

building a health resort there, to capitalize on the

" healing water " (or something like that).

I speculate that the tap water there is also higher than

usual in lithium. I figure that helps explain why the whole

town is so darned happy! (This might sound like I'm

joking, but, actually I'm not.... this has been my theory

for some time.)

I don't know of any way to get the mineral water except

to go there...... If you go there you can fill up your

plastic jugs at a couple of places around the town.

It is quite strong tasting water, and has interesting

health claims that are treated as " tales " in the town.

best regards,

Moria

RESPONDING TO:

Message: 21

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:04:18 -0500

From: Bernard Windham <berniew1@...>

Subject: re: lithium stimulates production of brain cells

The Nov 11, 2000 Science News and Oct 7 Lancet review some studies that

document that many chronic neurologic conditions involve death of brain

cells and lack of proper development of brain cells in some areas of the

brain like the hippocampus in childhood conditions. The studies found

that lithium treatment causes regeneration and growth of brain cells in

such areas of the brain. The studies even suggest lithium may be

useful in degenerative neurological conditions like stroke, ALS,

Parkinson's, etc.

I have posted before that toxic metals like mercury cause essential

mineral deficiencies of mineral like magnesium, zinc, and lithium. All

of these are common mineral defieciences and especially in metal

toxic. Lithium is necessary for protection of the brain from

glutamate, etc. and for calcium related functions. Low lithium levels

results in depression, agression, violence, etc. in a lot of studies,

and supplementation of lithium should be done standardly IMO, esp. in

areas with low lithium in the water or

people with metal toxicity, etc. But the doctors have declared this

essential mineral off limits to supplements I think so one normally has

to order it prescription, at a much higher price. It probably is

possible to find a supplement with it if you test low or have the

symptoms related to low lithium. Some brewer's yeast has it I heard?

Anybody know anythng about sources of lithium??

Bernie >>

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In a message dated 2/23/01 3:56:17 PM Central Standard Time, RMart620@...

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<< Lithium can be toxic in too high of quantities. Lithium is generally

used to treat Bi-polar disorder (manic-depressive syndrome). There is

actually a very narrow range on lithium levels. >>

To add to this, if the testing shows low lithium and you decide to

supplement, do so carefully and be sure to be closely monitored by a doctor

who will watch the levels closely. My son's first doc put him on very

low-dose lithium due to testing showing it low and he did fine for about a

month then started having radical mood swings and tantrums on it. If he ever

showed low again, I'd go very slow with it and retest every month or so.

Gaylen

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At 04:50 PM 2/23/01 -0500, you wrote:

I see several people have

posted about lithium today,

Just wanted to make a comment here. Lithium can be toxic in too high of

quantities. Lithium is generally used to treat Bi-polar disorder

(manic-

depressive syndrome). There is actually a very narrow range on lithium

levels.

That is why it is a prescription drug, or sold only through medical

supplement supply companies and not for the general public to buy. It is

not

necessarily " the corrupt government " that causes some of these

regulations to

be put into place. (No, that does not mean I agree with everything the

FDA

does, but sometimes, some constraints are there for a purpose.)

Ruth

You are talking about lithium carbonate. There are many other

forms.

In a message dated 2/23/01

10:29:26 AM, writes:

<< Message: 24

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:55:09 -0800

From: Moria Merriweather <moriam@...>

Subject: obscure source of lithium

Hi Bernie,

For sources of lithium, I know this is kinda obscure, but

the water in Ashland Oregon has a lot of lithium. There

is a " mineral water " they have there that is VERY high in

lithium-- at one time (long ago) there were plans for

building a health resort there, to capitalize on the

" healing water " (or something like that).

I speculate that the tap water there is also higher than

usual in lithium. I figure that helps explain why the whole

town is so darned happy! (This might sound like I'm

joking, but, actually I'm not.... this has been my theory

for some time.)

I don't know of any way to get the mineral water except

to go there...... If you go there you can fill up your

plastic jugs at a couple of places around the town.

It is quite strong tasting water, and has interesting

health claims that are treated as " tales " in the town.

best regards,

Moria

RESPONDING TO:

Message: 21

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:04:18 -0500

From: Bernard Windham <berniew1@...>

Subject: re: lithium stimulates production of brain cells

The Nov 11, 2000 Science News and Oct 7 Lancet review some studies

that

document that many chronic neurologic conditions involve death of

brain

cells and lack of proper development of brain cells in some areas of

the

brain like the hippocampus in childhood conditions. The studies

found

that lithium treatment causes regeneration and growth of brain cells

in

such areas of the brain. The studies even suggest

lithium may be

useful in degenerative neurological conditions like stroke, ALS,

Parkinson's, etc.

I have posted before that toxic metals like

mercury cause essential

mineral deficiencies of mineral like magnesium, zinc, and lithium.

All

of these are common mineral defieciences and especially in metal

toxic. Lithium is necessary for protection of the brain

from

glutamate, etc. and for calcium related functions. Low lithium

levels

results in depression, agression, violence, etc. in a lot of

studies,

and supplementation of lithium should be done standardly IMO, esp.

in

areas with low lithium in the water or

people with metal toxicity, etc. But the doctors have

declared this

essential mineral off limits to supplements I think so one normally

has

to order it prescription, at a much higher price. It probably

is

possible to find a supplement with it if you test low or have the

symptoms related to low lithium. Some brewer's yeast has it I

heard?

Anybody know anythng about sources of lithium??

Bernie >>

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Vitamin Research Products has lithium oratate that is relatively

inexpensive and says it is useful in a lot of neurological conditions.

If you go to their site www.vrp.com

and search products for lithium or lithium oratate you will

find an article with a lot of references on its value and use.

in depression, mania, agressive behavior, etc. Like a lot of

minerals such as selenium zinc, etc. its possible to get too much but

lithium oratate in reasonable doses appears to be a safe product.

Bernie

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One way to tell whether or not an adult would benefit from lithium oratate

is to feel the bottom of the chin at the neck. If you have loose skin, that

is said to be a sign.

No idea how to tell whether or not it would benefit a child, but during my

studies within a mental hospital, I did see adult autistics grow calmer and

more apt to listen more fully when they were given lithium, so in cases

where the child's behaviour is unmanageable and it is not necessarily caused

by mercury or other contaminants, or even mood disorders brought on by

Candida albicans, perhaps a small dosage of lithium would be one other thing

a parent might consider ...

Lithium is also in colloidal mineral supplements, but not in a high dose.

Perhaps a trial for 3 months with something like that would be a good first

step?

It seems Dr. D. Wallach has a great and vibrant, brilliant and jovial

spirit (a former contender for The Nobel Prize for Medicine - 1991) and he

advocates colloidal minerals.

One might also try chrysanthemum tea. The Japanese are famed for inducing

serenity and peace of mind with chrysanthemum tea that also contains

hibiscus and it is sold in Oriental food markets. It is also an excellent

source of niacin and niacin is used as part of the cure for avoidance of a

hangover ... the total cure is orange juice, water and niacin and keeps the

alcohol from reaching the blood-brain barrier.

There was a special on this topic on The Discovery Channel.

Now, since we are dealing in many cases with the gluten molecule reaching

past the blood-brain barrier, it makes some sense to me that niacin

supplementation in a natural form might strengthen the blood-brain barrier,

but I am just guessing.

I am wondering if wakame (sea weed) contains lithium as a trace mineral.

This is what I feed my daughter but Andy or someone else might say it

contains mercury, so I do wonder ... it is unlikely since the Japanese are

very much aware of mercury toxicity ...

We have Japanese television in my mother's home and they announce new

findings on brain research on NHK.

One day a multitude of cats willingly and together in unison jumped off a

pier in a tiny Japanese village. This was so unheard of that researchers

studied what happened in that village and concluded the cats were poisoned

by methyl mercury ingestion. Later that village had an influx of cerebral

palsied children so researchers were able to link methyl mercury ingestion

during formation of the brain to cerebral palsy.

Since we are dealing with muscular development problems in the world of

autism and now we know about mercury's link, it is no wonder, I think ...

It could be, I think, that if the mercury has attacked the left hemisphere,

the muscular development and coordinative abilities might be harmed, causing

that " subgroup " in autism and if the spiritual side (right hemisphere) is

poisoned, we have children reacting in a more violent manner, but this is

also a guess ...

Minc

Minc

[ ] re: lithium

> Vitamin Research Products has lithium oratate that is relatively

> inexpensive and says it is useful in a lot of neurological conditions.

> If you go to their site www.vrp.com

> and search products for lithium or lithium oratate you will

> find an article with a lot of references on its value and use.

> in depression, mania, agressive behavior, etc. Like a lot of

> minerals such as selenium zinc, etc. its possible to get too much but

> lithium oratate in reasonable doses appears to be a safe product.

> Bernie

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Has anyone ever heard of using subclinical doses of Lithium to balance

Free

T3. My son has high Free T3, his doctor says he is hyperthyroid and has

recommended a subclinical dose (300mg.) of Lithium. I can't find

information on this use of Lithium and wondered if anyone knows anything

about it. Thanks, Pat

***************

Lithium is an essential mineral that about half of the

population is deficient in to start with and probably most of PDD kids

since mercury inhibits. Lithium is protective against mercury damage.

People with low lithium tend to have more psychological related problems

such as depression, agressivenes, anger, etc. But its possible to get

to much also. Both my son and I had very low lithium and we are taking

lithium oratate supplements currently from www.vrpcentral.net

you can find info there are in my previous posts or in the toxic metals

paper on my web page.

Bernie

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You generally have to give it continuously since the problem is lack

of retention.

It does work wonders for emotionally bouncy people.

Andy

> Bernie,

> How long is a " round " ? Does that take care of super low hair test

levels of

> lithium? Or does one need to retest periodically & give another

" round " of

> lithium based on results?

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> > You might consider a round of lithium oratate from

www.vrpcentral.net

> > I did that with my son.

> > Bernie

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FWIW, my son's hair lithium was " off the chart " low on his initial

prechelation test. After about 6 rounds of DMSA only the second

hair test showed lithium exactly in the 50th percentile! Other

essential elements began to look more normal as well. I took this

as a good sign. He certainly could have been described as

emotionally bouncy too. Good luck to you, Judy

> Bernie,

> How long is a " round " ? Does that take care of super low hair test

levels of

> lithium? Or does one need to retest periodically & give another

" round " of

> lithium based on results?

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>

>

>

> > You might consider a round of lithium oratate from

www.vrpcentral.net

> > I did that with my son.

> > Bernie

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Hi,

Also FWIW, my daughter's past hair analysis showed high lithium, and a recent

post-chelation urinalysis showed pegged-to-the-right high lithium (see my 10

Sept. post). And she's certainly emotionally bouncy, so I wouldn't recommend

lithium supplementation on bouciness.

| FWIW, my son's hair lithium was " off the chart " low on his initial

| prechelation test. After about 6 rounds of DMSA only the second

| hair test showed lithium exactly in the 50th percentile! Other

| essential elements began to look more normal as well. I took this

| as a good sign. He certainly could have been described as

| emotionally bouncy too. Good luck to you, Judy

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I was recently told of a study that showed Autistic children had half the

rate of lithium then the typical children and that the mothers had even less

lithium then the autistic children. Wondering if I should get a blood test

for myself and my child? Or is this a fact we do not know what to do with

yet. Also, same study said that our kids were very low in Iodine and that

may explain why our kids are salt cravers. Mine sure is but I buy salt

without Iodine. I was told to change my salt to one that has Iodine.

[ ] Lithium

Someone posted about giving their child lithium to control aggressive

behavior. It isn't normally given to children. Its not recommended

for pregnant women either and Ive seen what lithium does to a baby in

the womb. Not good.

I Wouldn't. But its your choice.

Kalzangluv

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yeah, i think lithium is important for new neurons.

solaray make a 5 mg lithium aspartate but unless you are using it to

help with mood swings you need so little a bottle will last about 12

years.

bascially an adult takes in about 100 mcg a day so i take about 1/5 of

a capsule every six or seven days which actually is quite a bit more

than 100 mcg.

someone i know takes considerably larger amounts for mood swings but

i would advise caution.

> >also i think the occasional low dose of lithium

> >(1 mg) once a week? also may help with this.

>

> Harry's hair test showed *virtually nil* lithium. Is it something I

should be supplementing?

> TIA

> Prue

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> > 2. helps with weight gain

> > >

> 4. immune modualtor?

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> 5. low levels strongly associated with behavior disorders.

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> > 7. has some interaction with fluoride, may displace it and be

> displaced by it which would make fluoride a disaster for tasmania

> with its low lithium levels.

> . >

> 9. lithium hair levels seem to relate directly to intake, low hair

> lithium probably means low lithuim intake. perth tasmania and nz

and

> possibly other areas of austrlaia have low lithium?

Hi , no 2. is looking good : ) as do 4. & 5. 7. Ivé

thrown

away our floride toothpaste & got a herbal slightly abrasive

paste, " No not full of sugar or flavours etc " . 9. I remember you

telling me you had always been moody lol.

I am having amazing results using it myself in relation to onset of

menoupause problems & Mercury dump from 4 filling removals 6mths ago.

I will post when Ive been using it for longer.Went shopping with new

eyes and could not believe how almost impossible it is to find

anything minus sugar!

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I had a look on my daughter's tests (I have all the tests with me....

everywhere I go...I know the results by heart.....that's weird isn't

it ?) and YEP, the Lithium doesn't show at all (is less that 0.001).

HHHMMMM.

I'm gonna search in the group archives for any threads on this.

If you could shed some light on this, it will be very much

appreciated.

Rgds,

Mihail

> > " The cellular lithium is great >too (thanks ). "

>

> Well I'd been posting about lithium for a while - (asking questions

and umming and ahhing) because as a nurse I have seen patients

treated with it for mood disorders. looked into it and posted

back and in the end he sent me some to try. Ha! So I tried it and

it's great (for us). But the first thing was there was *no* lithium

on his hair test. I will post my supps later.

> Prue

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Hi Anne,

Lithium is not really something you wish to be taking. It does carry

alot of problems all by itself. Here is a recipe you can make that

should help you:

1 ounce Lobelia seed, crushed (Lobelia inflata)

1 ounces Skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora)

1 ounce Skunk cabbage (Symplocarpus foetidus)

1 ounce Gum Myrrh (Commiphora myrrha var. molmol)

1 ounce Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa)

1/2 ounce Cayenne

Macerate the abovt in a minimum of 1 piint of 100 proof vodka or

Everclear (use enough alcohol to cover all the herbs) in a tightly

capped vessel, and shake well at least once a day. After 14 days,

strain, squeeze or press out the liquid.

Dosage would be 1 to several drops twice a day.

--OR--

you could just make a tea infusion of the above herbs and take up to a

teaspoonful in a glass of water morning and night.

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

Anne wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about Lithium? I read that it has an effect

> on the nervous system and was wondering if it would be helpful for

> tremors. I am trying to get off Propranolol and was wondering if

> Lithium would be a good replacement. I am really having a difficult

> time with the tremors when I skip a dose of Propranolol.

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