Re: I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be useful for others!

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Hi Dimetri,

 

Your English is almost perfect!  I could scarcely tell you were having any

difficulty. 

 

Yes, your symptoms are just as ours are here on the forum.  I am much improved

with some detoxing and lots of avoidance, but I still can feel it a bit (and

more, depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what) and I can tell

I am deteriorating a little as time goes on, so it is getting time for me to do

more detoxing.  [i have to detox from various things--for me personally metals

are less of a problem than chemical toxins and candida/ bad gut bacteria.  I

need to detox those about every 2 to 3 years.]

 

Can you ride in any cars comfortably?  I ask because perhaps you now have

problems with vibrational frequencies, which would mean you would have problems

in any car, no matter how old.  Or perhaps the alternator is bothering you? 

Do you experience symptoms at a particular time while riding?  In some cars I

only have problems when they are idling, others I have problems in particular

places we go (which, then, is not actually the car at all, but the

environment!)  Still others bother me when the digital controls are tweeked. 

Others give me burning from under the floor....  So, in other words, I don't

react the same in all cars, and each has a different cause and effect on me.

 

Yes, I have the same " inertia " effect you mention when I am exposed to

frequencies which bother me greatly; afterwards, even the little things I

usually don't notice then bother me more.  And when I am detoxing and

afterwards for a few months, everything bothers me more. 

 

I have chosen to deal with this by cutting back on everything with emfs which I

can tolerate, even well.  That way, my body is stronger, over-all.  I do not

react inside my home to things inside my home, for instance.  But still I

unplug everything I am not using and even turn my electric power off at the road

at night.  I find these are easy to do once I have gotten used to doing them. 

We use battery candles at night--we keep 2 lit in the bathroom, 1 in the hall,

and small ones in each room's window.  That way we can get around easily

without tripping.  I have found non-wireless options for everything and

non-electric options for many things.  We have almost all gas appliances

and an all gas furnace.  My husband has a cell phone for work, but charges it

in his truck at night.  We have non-metal beds without bed-springs; I avoid

using metal in furniture.... 

 

These little things plus the detoxing and some supplements give me the ability

to travel to the city and visit with people, which I previously was unable to do

due to bad reactions.  Cell towers and other emf sources bother me much less

now.  There is a cell tower I can see just outside my one window and I no

longer feel it.  I still can have a fairly bad reaction in particular places,

but I avoid going through those places.  I get particularly bad emfs in my

house for 3 hours (from something going on in the neighborhood) on Sunday

mornings and I choose to spend that time checking in on my elderly parents in

another town.  So, you see, I do avoid a lot.  But I am also healthier for all

of my avoiding. 

 

Welcome to the group.  I hope we can help you and you can also help us!

 

Diane/ aka Evie

From: Dmirtiy <nikolaevdn@...>

Subject: I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but

also can be useful for others!

esens

Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 7:09 AM

 

Hello everyone!

I'm a newbie here and I am electro-sensitive, as it is usually called.

From beginning, I will describe things for which I am sensitive:

It's WiFi and 4G (Yota, etc.) - I feel some pressure when I'm near an access

point. If I'm there for a long time, it causes headache, confusion of

thought, twitching of muscles.

A similar situation with computers, but not as strongly expressed. I can

work on laptop up to an hour a day. I can also talk on a cell phone up to 15

minutes per day. In this case, I can not use bluetooth headset - a bad

effect on me. I absolutely can not listen to digital MP3 player with

headphones. Only through the speakers. But this does not pass with impunity.

Therefore, I use an old CD audio system at home and tape in the car.

By the way, I can not go long on modern cars. I drive an older model of the

Russian car with petrol engines (carburetor). It does not cause

deterioration of my health.

I bought a modern fuel injected petrol car, but had to sell it because I was

not able to use it. Now I bought a used diesel car (Rexton 2.9 TD). Its

engine is not electronically controlled (unlike the modern diesel engines).

In theory, this should be the perfect car for me. BUT! It is not so! Having

driven only half an hour I felt awful. It was the worst thing is that I knew

before! I can not find an explanation for this fact ...

I even turned off the generator, but it's not much help.

Has anyone experienced similar problems with diesel cars?

I want to note that the symptoms have inertia. For example, if I have long

been working at the computer, the deterioration in health does not occur

immediately, but continues the longer, the longer was the impact. The impact

tends to accumulate: I usually do not feel an immediate deterioration of

health by using a digital camera. But if I previously drove a modern car, I

feel a deterioration as soon as I take the camera in hand.

I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be

useful for others!

Dmitriy

Moscow, Russia.

P.S. I apologize if my English is not good enough. This is not the native

language for me.

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2 things to measure for an older car:

- Magnetic field meter

- Intermediate frequencies: Get a cheap AM radio, put it at lowest frequency,

and turn it on in your car. Maybe it's not as immune from electronics stuff as

you think?

Newer cars are pretty bad, I agree. Not only the above, but they may also have

other wireless stuff.

>

> Hello everyone!

>

> I'm a newbie here and I am electro-sensitive, as it is usually called.

>

> From beginning, I will describe things for which I am sensitive:

>

> It's WiFi and 4G (Yota, etc.) - I feel some pressure when I'm near an access

> point. If I'm there for a long time, it causes headache, confusion of

> thought, twitching of muscles.

> A similar situation with computers, but not as strongly expressed. I can

> work on laptop up to an hour a day. I can also talk on a cell phone up to 15

> minutes per day. In this case, I can not use bluetooth headset - a bad

> effect on me. I absolutely can not listen to digital MP3 player with

> headphones. Only through the speakers. But this does not pass with impunity.

> Therefore, I use an old CD audio system at home and tape in the car.

>

> By the way, I can not go long on modern cars. I drive an older model of the

> Russian car with petrol engines (carburetor). It does not cause

> deterioration of my health.

> I bought a modern fuel injected petrol car, but had to sell it because I was

> not able to use it. Now I bought a used diesel car (Rexton 2.9 TD). Its

> engine is not electronically controlled (unlike the modern diesel engines).

> In theory, this should be the perfect car for me. BUT! It is not so! Having

> driven only half an hour I felt awful. It was the worst thing is that I knew

> before! I can not find an explanation for this fact ...

> I even turned off the generator, but it's not much help.

> Has anyone experienced similar problems with diesel cars?

>

> I want to note that the symptoms have inertia. For example, if I have long

> been working at the computer, the deterioration in health does not occur

> immediately, but continues the longer, the longer was the impact. The impact

> tends to accumulate: I usually do not feel an immediate deterioration of

> health by using a digital camera. But if I previously drove a modern car, I

> feel a deterioration as soon as I take the camera in hand.

>

> I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be

> useful for others!

>

> Dmitriy

> Moscow, Russia.

>

> P.S. I apologize if my English is not good enough. This is not the native

> language for me.

>

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Hi Diane!

-Your English is almost perfect!

Thank you! I tried as best I could)))

-Depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what

I came to the conclusion that not only the magnitude of the signal has a

value, the modulation is also very important.

-Can you ride in any cars comfortably?

Yes, I can comfortably ride in my car (Lada) with a carburetor (not

injection) engine long enough. Although there are many different vibrations.

Recently, I drove the new Mazda 3 for 10 minutes, it was awful: numbness and

tingling in his hands immediately. There was almost no vibration.

After several hours behind the wheel of the new Opel Corsa (also a little

vibration), I felt much better than after the Mazda. Opel had very little

vibration too.

As I wrote, my diesel Rexton - the worst car for me, although in theory it

should be contrary.

I have to note, that the Lada and Opel have cloth seats, while Mazda and

Rexton leather ones. Maybe it provokes the accumulation of static

electricity when driving?

-Alternator

I disabled it in my rexton. Completely removed the belt from pulley.

I measured the radiation at low frequencies in rexton - they are very low. I

used 3 devices:

EMV tester http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490973.jpg

Trifield Broadband Meter extended sensetivity version

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490974.jpg

ia spectran NF-5010.

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490975.jpg

Inside Rexton I'm find almost no magnetic fields.

But I have no instruments for measuring radio frequencies. Trifield not

considered because of its low sensitivity in that range.

Now I want to buy a device for measuring radio frequencies, but can not

decide which one I want. Lately I've been leaning toward solutions from

Gigahertz due to the fact that there can be very easy to acoustically

monitor the entire range. But the price ...

I need advice with this.

-But still I unplug everything I am not using and even turn my

electric-power off at the road at night.

Do you live in a private house?

I live in an apartment house. With spectran I found several frequencies,

which is in any part of the apartment: 50Hz - up to 1mG

145Hz - up to 0.7mG

445Hz - up to 0.2mG

Everything is clear with 50Hz, but 145 and 445 ... where they from...

Dmitriy

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Hello Dmitriy

you should try with your Spectran NF 5010 to mount an antenna, perhaps a

telescopic one, on the analog bus.

And then make a sweep.

Better is using a laptop or notebook with the free LCS software.

That way you will find much more disturbing frequencies.

But only up to 1 MHz.

I have a 5020 and a 5035, with up to 20, resp. 30 MHz expansion.

The 5020 I use for measuring electrical fields (AC) and magnetical fields (AC

and DC).

The 5035 I use for measuring frequencies in wallplugs (with differential probe)

as well as in the air (the dirty air).

For high frequencies I use a Spectran HF 60105 V4, with a number of different

antennas.

With the Spectran HF. one can mopnitor all sorts of frequency bands, and even

see, which provider is sending on which antenna.

The new Hyperlog 6080 X antenna is very sensitive, and even measures down to ca.

80 MHz.

The Gigahertz meters are broadband meters. You do not know what kind of signal

you are measuring, or you must buy an expensive filter, which makes it very

costly.

Please read the issue of *het bitje* November 2010, the english version.

Greetings,

Claessens

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Re: I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions,

but also can be useful for others!

Hi Diane!

-Your English is almost perfect!

Thank you! I tried as best I could)))

-Depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what

I came to the conclusion that not only the magnitude of the signal has a

value, the modulation is also very important.

-Can you ride in any cars comfortably?

Yes, I can comfortably ride in my car (Lada) with a carburetor (not

injection) engine long enough. Although there are many different vibrations.

Recently, I drove the new Mazda 3 for 10 minutes, it was awful: numbness and

tingling in his hands immediately. There was almost no vibration.

After several hours behind the wheel of the new Opel Corsa (also a little

vibration), I felt much better than after the Mazda. Opel had very little

vibration too.

As I wrote, my diesel Rexton - the worst car for me, although in theory it

should be contrary.

I have to note, that the Lada and Opel have cloth seats, while Mazda and

Rexton leather ones. Maybe it provokes the accumulation of static

electricity when driving?

-Alternator

I disabled it in my rexton. Completely removed the belt from pulley.

I measured the radiation at low frequencies in rexton - they are very low. I

used 3 devices:

EMV tester http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490973.jpg

Trifield Broadband Meter extended sensetivity version

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490974.jpg

ia spectran NF-5010.

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490975.jpg

Inside Rexton I'm find almost no magnetic fields.

But I have no instruments for measuring radio frequencies. Trifield not

considered because of its low sensitivity in that range.

Now I want to buy a device for measuring radio frequencies, but can not

decide which one I want. Lately I've been leaning toward solutions from

Gigahertz due to the fact that there can be very easy to acoustically

monitor the entire range. But the price ...

I need advice with this.

-But still I unplug everything I am not using and even turn my

electric-power off at the road at night.

Do you live in a private house?

I live in an apartment house. With spectran I found several frequencies,

which is in any part of the apartment: 50Hz - up to 1mG

145Hz - up to 0.7mG

445Hz - up to 0.2mG

Everything is clear with 50Hz, but 145 and 445 ... where they from...

Dmitriy

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It seems like the ideal meter would be a broad band receiver

with no filtering at all. I have in mind to build one.

Of course there is no antenna that is efficient at all frequencies,

but I think a simple loop antenna, or maybe one large and one

small, might be adequate.

Your observations are interesting. Indeed the car bothering you

could be terrible at 10 MHz or 100 MHz, or even have a

microwave transmitter...

Bill

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, charles <charles@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello Dmitriy

>

> you should try with your Spectran NF 5010 to mount an antenna, perhaps a

> telescopic one, on the analog bus.

>

> And then make a sweep.

> Better is using a laptop or notebook with the free LCS software.

> That way you will find much more disturbing frequencies.

> But only up to 1 MHz.

>

> I have a 5020 and a 5035, with up to 20, resp. 30 MHz expansion.

> The 5020 I use for measuring electrical fields (AC) and magnetical fields

> (AC and DC).

> The 5035 I use for measuring frequencies in wallplugs (with differential

> probe) as well as in the air (the dirty air).

>

> For high frequencies I use a Spectran HF 60105 V4, with a number of

> different antennas.

> With the Spectran HF. one can mopnitor all sorts of frequency bands, and

> even see, which provider is sending on which antenna.

> The new Hyperlog 6080 X antenna is very sensitive, and even measures down

> to ca. 80 MHz.

>

> The Gigahertz meters are broadband meters. You do not know what kind of

> signal you are measuring, or you must buy an expensive filter, which makes

> it very costly.

>

> Please read the issue of *het bitje* November 2010, the english version.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

>

> Re: I hope that here I not only find answers to my

> questions, but also can be useful for others!

>

> Hi Diane!

>

> -Your English is almost perfect!

> Thank you! I tried as best I could)))

>

> -Depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what

> I came to the conclusion that not only the magnitude of the signal has a

> value, the modulation is also very important.

>

> -Can you ride in any cars comfortably?

> Yes, I can comfortably ride in my car (Lada) with a carburetor (not

> injection) engine long enough. Although there are many different

> vibrations.

> Recently, I drove the new Mazda 3 for 10 minutes, it was awful: numbness

> and

> tingling in his hands immediately. There was almost no vibration.

> After several hours behind the wheel of the new Opel Corsa (also a little

> vibration), I felt much better than after the Mazda. Opel had very little

> vibration too.

> As I wrote, my diesel Rexton - the worst car for me, although in theory it

> should be contrary.

> I have to note, that the Lada and Opel have cloth seats, while Mazda and

> Rexton leather ones. Maybe it provokes the accumulation of static

> electricity when driving?

>

> -Alternator

> I disabled it in my rexton. Completely removed the belt from pulley.

> I measured the radiation at low frequencies in rexton - they are very low.

> I

> used 3 devices:

> EMV tester http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490973.jpg

> Trifield Broadband Meter extended sensetivity version

> http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490974.jpg

> ia spectran NF-5010.

> http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490975.jpg

> Inside Rexton I'm find almost no magnetic fields.

>

> But I have no instruments for measuring radio frequencies. Trifield not

> considered because of its low sensitivity in that range.

>

> Now I want to buy a device for measuring radio frequencies, but can not

> decide which one I want. Lately I've been leaning toward solutions from

> Gigahertz due to the fact that there can be very easy to acoustically

> monitor the entire range. But the price ...

> I need advice with this.

>

> -But still I unplug everything I am not using and even turn my

> electric-power off at the road at night.

> Do you live in a private house?

>

> I live in an apartment house. With spectran I found several frequencies,

> which is in any part of the apartment: 50Hz - up to 1mG

> 145Hz - up to 0.7mG

> 445Hz - up to 0.2mG

>

> Everything is clear with 50Hz, but 145 and 445 ... where they from...

>

> Dmitriy

>

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