RE: A good compile or summary posts

[Guest guest]

Hello Gariki,

what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the

vast amount of postings. It is a pity.

dietrich

In einer eMail vom 04.10.2011 20:42:54 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

chetan.gariki@...:

hello folks,

I am just learning about EMF and stuff; even though we have stayed away

from a few common sense things like microwave for a few years now, i am

amazed that so much radiation is in the air everywhere.

Are there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are

discussed around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as

possible?

If not; would someone venture to write a small article putting in their

knowledge of things.

thanks!

-gariki

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you now know about RF and magnetic. For an intro to dirty

electricity and electric fields, check out:

1. Video on how to use an AM radio for dirty electricity testing:

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/dirtye.php : This demonstrates the

difference between fluorescent and incandescent light bulb, and between dimmer

switch and regular on/off switch.

2. Video on electric fields, and the benefit of using a remote control demand

switch (or else manually shutting circuit breakers) to lower electric fields, to

allow the body to repair itself better:

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/electric.php

3. Videos on computers, which potentially combine all 4 types of emf's (rf,

magnetic, electric, and dirty electricity):

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/safecomputing.php : New video showing

EMF issues with computers

>

> hello folks,

>

> I am just learning about EMF and stuff; even though we have stayed away from a

few common sense things like microwave for a few years now, i am amazed that so

much radiation is in the air everywhere.

>

> Are there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are discussed

around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as possible?

>

> If not; would someone venture to write a small article putting in their

knowledge of things.

>

>

> thanks!

> -gariki

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gariki,

I have a bunch of info, and many links as well that can take you in many

directions to learn.

Start at my web page for my ehs:

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Many have said it is helpful, and that is my goal.

Gruendg@... wrote:

> what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the

> vast amount of postings. It is a pity.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

some boards have a ranking mechanism and ability to put in sticky posts where in

good posts stay visible. I dont think has that functionality.

>

>

> Hello Gariki,

>

> what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the

> vast amount of postings. It is a pity.

>

> dietrich

>

> In einer eMail vom 04.10.2011 20:42:54 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

> chetan.gariki@...:

>

>

> hello folks,

>

> I am just learning about EMF and stuff; even though we have stayed away

> from a few common sense things like microwave for a few years now, i am

> amazed that so much radiation is in the air everywhere.

>

> Are there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are

> discussed around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as

> possible?

>

> If not; would someone venture to write a small article putting in their

> knowledge of things.

>

> thanks!

> -gariki

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 10/5/2011 6:40 AM, gariki wrote:

> some boards have a ranking mechanism and ability to put in sticky

> posts where in good posts stay visible. I dont think

> has that functionality.

Well, this group is mirrored on Nabble:

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/

And I can " pin " certain posts so they appear on the top. However, I

wouldn't know which posts to pin? Anyone have any suggestions?

The problem is that there is not just one solution to electrical

hypersensitivity. People react differently to various sources

of EMF exposure. People respond differently to various

proposed solutions. And solutions can range from:

- avoidance

- shielding

- being particular about the various electronics you have

around you

- use of EMF protection devices

- improved nutrition

- immune system boosting

- detoxification of heavy metals / chemicals / parasites

And probably a few more things I'm forgetting... :-)

At one point I thought I was going to get laid off from my

job, and I was thinking about going through all of the

posts here and turning the highlights into an organized

book or website. However, I stayed employed, so I don't

have the time for that...

Marc

[Guest guest]

While I sympathize with those who want everything

organized, marc has a good point. ES is such a mixed

bag. And anedotical info (people sharing their stories)

is - in my opinion, a hugely valuable source of info. I know

from having been there, reading thru tons of posts, can be

tiring. But can you remember stumbling upon a post that

gave you an answer/solution/idea for your own case?

You wanted to yell " yes, someone else had the same experience? "

Bottom line? If we don't have compassion within our own community

of Essers, then something is truly wrong.

I would turn off/disconnect do whatever to make my home

safe for any of you, if you came to visit.

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0700

Subject: Re: Re: A good compile or summary posts

On 10/5/2011 6:40 AM, gariki wrote:

> some boards have a ranking mechanism and ability to put in sticky

> posts where in good posts stay visible. I dont think

> has that functionality.

Well, this group is mirrored on Nabble:

http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/

And I can " pin " certain posts so they appear on the top. However, I

wouldn't know which posts to pin? Anyone have any suggestions?

The problem is that there is not just one solution to electrical

hypersensitivity. People react differently to various sources

of EMF exposure. People respond differently to various

proposed solutions. And solutions can range from:

- avoidance

- shielding

- being particular about the various electronics you have

around you

- use of EMF protection devices

- improved nutrition

- immune system boosting

- detoxification of heavy metals / chemicals / parasites

And probably a few more things I'm forgetting... :-)

At one point I thought I was going to get laid off from my

job, and I was thinking about going through all of the

posts here and turning the highlights into an organized

book or website. However, I stayed employed, so I don't

have the time for that...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Gariki, and Dietrich,

You two write:

<Are there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are

discussed around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as

possible?>

<what you propose has been done again and again, but it gets lost in the

vast amount of postings. It is a pity.>

My reply:

I used to copy and paste posts I had written to one person over and over to

others.  But now since I can rarely be online due to taking care of my ill

parents, I have taken to writing people where the info can be found.  True, you

have to do some digging but you learn a lot by doing it.

I tell people to look up the info in the archives by using names:

For info on meters and electrics themselves, enter Claussen, Bill Bruno,

son, or Shivani

For info on computers, son or Marc are helpful; also I have

(evie15422) some info on how I remediated my computer in the archives.

For helps for symptoms try Marc , Snoshoe, Thode, McAfee,

or me.

For basic helps in daily living and avoidance, try Blue-green, Marc , or

my old posts, also the newbie has compiled very good ideas. 

What is ES about and why do we have it?  Dietrich Gruen (about types of waves

and frequencies that cause it), McAfee, my posts (includes more on BBB

involvement and why that is important), Thode (discusses the need for

thyroid and adrenal help). 

There are more topics and many more people, but these are off the top of my

head.

Diane

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I kept trying to think of your name!  Emraware is a good overall

source to check in the archives for meter info, some info on computer tolerance,

ES basic helps.....

Diane

________________________________

From: emraware <emraware@...>

Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 8:33 PM

Subject: Re: A good compile or summary posts

 

Sounds like you now know about RF and magnetic. For an intro to dirty

electricity and electric fields, check out:

1. Video on how to use an AM radio for dirty electricity testing:

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/dirtye.php : This demonstrates the

difference between fluorescent and incandescent light bulb, and between dimmer

switch and regular on/off switch.

2. Video on electric fields, and the benefit of using a remote control demand

switch (or else manually shutting circuit breakers) to lower electric fields, to

allow the body to repair itself better:

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/electric.php

3. Videos on computers, which potentially combine all 4 types of emf's (rf,

magnetic, electric, and dirty electricity):

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/safecomputing.php : New video showing

EMF issues with computers

>

> hello folks,

>

> I am just learning about EMF and stuff; even though we have stayed away from a

few common sense things like microwave for a few years now, i am amazed that so

much radiation is in the air everywhere.

>

> Are there any good posts that summarize most of the issues that are discussed

around the board here and what we can do to avoid them as best as possible?

>

> If not; would someone venture to write a small article putting in their

knowledge of things.

>

>

> thanks!

> -gariki

>

[Guest guest]

> But can you remember stumbling upon a post that

> gave you an answer/solution/idea for your own case?

Also, any " summary " would be woefully inadequate,

because the subject is simply too complicated for

a summary to be very helpful. And anyone who

writes a summary is going to apply their own

personal bias, which may not align with the

reader's personal bias. For example, anything

I would write would focus a lot on improving

one's own health so they are less sensitive

to the EMF around them. While an specific

reader may not want to do any of that, and is

really more interested in what EMF meter they

should purchase.

Marc

[Guest guest]

True, true. I look at this website as

a giant bookstore, filled with aisles and shelves of books-

specifically geared to Electrical Sensitivity.

And while there are some books written on ES,

where else can we go to find such a broad selection

of information?

Maybe in the future, we'll have compiled enough

information to be able to neatly break down the

various sensitivities and suggested solutions. In the

meantime, this is a work in progress, with very little

funding, blessed with some tremendously passionate

researchers/scientists/dr/s. (and ES sufferers) who are, as we speak,

probably being bombarded with new insights and

the myriad of ways this untested technology reaks

havoc. I know that we are ALL doing the best we can-

under extroidinary rough circumstances. This, people,

is like a giant jigsaw puzzle...with pieces and answers

all over the place. The piece here, that works for that

person, may not work for someone else. But there is

one thing I am certain of...there is something here

for everyone. Its like a giant buffet...take what you

want, leave what you don't want. And please remember to

thank the chef for putting this all together!

Thank You Marc! I won't ask for your recipe- I'll just

enjoy the buffet!

Lizzie

From: marc@...

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:29:17 -0700

Subject: RE: A good compile or summary posts

> But can you remember stumbling upon a post that

> gave you an answer/solution/idea for your own case?

Also, any " summary " would be woefully inadequate,

because the subject is simply too complicated for

a summary to be very helpful. And anyone who

writes a summary is going to apply their own

personal bias, which may not align with the

reader's personal bias. For example, anything

I would write would focus a lot on improving

one's own health so they are less sensitive

to the EMF around them. While an specific

reader may not want to do any of that, and is

really more interested in what EMF meter they

should purchase.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> And while there are some books written on ES,

> where else can we go to find such a broad selection

> of information?

Yes, but for a summary, I think one just needs the

basics.

In such a case, it'd seem that we should just direct

people to our favorite ES websites. I haven't personally

paid much attention to what websites are out there

these days, although the one website that comes to my

mind is Gilligan Joy's " Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity "

website:

http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

But I'm sure that there are other good websites

on the topic... ?

Marc

[Guest guest]

I am sure there are those rare creatures out there that have gotten over

ES, but of course the complexity and subjectivity of each case is something

that would need to be studied in great detail to confirm such a statement -

in my mind the biggest problem an esser can overcome or rather come to

terms with is the phychological strain of knowing you are this way in a world

that is going hell for leathar for wireless and hi-tech everyday gadgets -

many of us learn that you have to keep calm and carry on and that's part of

the coping strategy

puk

In a message dated 05/10/2011 22:21:35 GMT Daylight Time,

marc@... writes:

> And while there are some books written on ES,

> where else can we go to find such a broad selection

> of information?

Yes, but for a summary, I think one just needs the

basics.

In such a case, it'd seem that we should just direct

people to our favorite ES websites. I haven't personally

paid much attention to what websites are out there

these days, although the one website that comes to my

mind is Gilligan Joy's " Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity "

website:

_http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/_

(http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/)

But I'm sure that there are other good websites

on the topic... ?

Marc

[Guest guest]

Those creatures are not rare.

There are persons who are not bothered anymore and lead a *normal* life again.

But there are creatures who refuse improvement, like yourself.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: A good compile or summary posts

I am sure there are those rare creatures out there that have gotten over

ES, but of course the complexity and subjectivity of each case is something

that would need to be studied in great detail to confirm such a statement -

in my mind the biggest problem an esser can overcome or rather come to

terms with is the phychological strain of knowing you are this way in a world

that is going hell for leathar for wireless and hi-tech everyday gadgets -

many of us learn that you have to keep calm and carry on and that's part of

the coping strategy

puk

In a message dated 05/10/2011 22:21:35 GMT Daylight Time,

marc@... writes:

> And while there are some books written on ES,

> where else can we go to find such a broad selection

> of information?

Yes, but for a summary, I think one just needs the

basics.

In such a case, it'd seem that we should just direct

people to our favorite ES websites. I haven't personally

paid much attention to what websites are out there

these days, although the one website that comes to my

mind is Gilligan Joy's " Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity "

website:

_http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/_

(http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/)

But I'm sure that there are other good websites

on the topic... ?

Marc