Re: faraday cage not helping

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

I'm wondering is this bed canopy the same or similar as from lessemf.com?

http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html

High Duty Faraday Canopy

Twin Size (Cat. #A208-T) ……… $595.00

I've read at least one person feeling better with that one from lessemf, I may

consider it myself later... right now I'm a nitwit regards shielding but also

quite sceptic because of reflection...

Did you ground/earth that bed canopy? Somebody told me it's sometimes much

better if you ground/earth shielding devices twice...

thank you,

.

>

> Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers inside

> each thread.

> The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is still

> some cellphone

> signal at least near the corners.

>

> I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though it looks

> nice aesthetically).

> My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

>

> The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic fields

> were already

> pretty low.

>

> I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the fabric is

> rated much better

> but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

>

> One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really quiet,

> the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at different

> frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer, and the

> tent may shield most but not all?

>

> Or maybe something else...

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,

grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to

do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh

and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the

copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.

My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including

electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing

material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to

see if that helps.

I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

if they guaranteed I would feel better.

Raleigh, NC

On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Bill Bruno wrote:

> Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> inside

> each thread.

> The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> still

> some cellphone

> signal at least near the corners.

>

> I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> it looks

> nice aesthetically).

> My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

>

> The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> fields

> were already

> pretty low.

>

> I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> fabric is

> rated much better

> but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

>

> One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> quiet,

> the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> different

> frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> and the

> tent may shield most but not all?

>

> Or maybe something else...

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't done any shielding experiments so far but maybe when working with

mosquito net there are less side effects?

>

> > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > inside

> > each thread.

> > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > still

> > some cellphone

> > signal at least near the corners.

> >

> > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > it looks

> > nice aesthetically).

> > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> >

> > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > fields

> > were already

> > pretty low.

> >

> > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > fabric is

> > rated much better

> > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> >

> > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > quiet,

> > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > different

> > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > and the

> > tent may shield most but not all?

> >

> > Or maybe something else...

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Shielding with a concrete wall/roof?

Shielding with water? Has anybody tried this? Best would be moving water... A

crazy idea: A water spray/fountain on the roof or on the wall of your bedroom?

I'm wondering if a wall of water bottles wouldn't help already... Although

that's not moving water of course...

>

> > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > inside

> > each thread.

> > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > still

> > some cellphone

> > signal at least near the corners.

> >

> > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > it looks

> > nice aesthetically).

> > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> >

> > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > fields

> > were already

> > pretty low.

> >

> > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > fabric is

> > rated much better

> > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> >

> > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > quiet,

> > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > different

> > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > and the

> > tent may shield most but not all?

> >

> > Or maybe something else...

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

> if they guaranteed I would feel better.

Have you tried a $500 Quantum Pro, and then returned it if it didn't

help?

Marc

[Guest guest]

I tried one & it did not help me. Might have been worse. Loni

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>

Subject: faraday cage not helping

Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 9:35 PM

 

Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers inside

each thread.

The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is still

some cellphone

signal at least near the corners.

I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though it looks

nice aesthetically).

My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic fields

were already

pretty low.

I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the fabric is

rated much better

but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really quiet,

the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at different

frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer, and the

tent may shield most but not all?

Or maybe something else...

Bill

[Guest guest]

I too put the protective paint on the walls & have not been able to sleep in

that room yet. Still ES symptoms. However the biologist tested & the measurement

was very low in that room. Not sure what is going on. Interesting it did not

help you either .

 

I don't think anyone could guarantee you what they did would ensure you could

sleep in that room.

 

Loni

> Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> inside

> each thread.

> The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> still

> some cellphone

> signal at least near the corners.

>

> I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> it looks

> nice aesthetically).

> My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

>

> The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> fields

> were already

> pretty low.

>

> I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> fabric is

> rated much better

> but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

>

> One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> quiet,

> the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> different

> frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> and the

> tent may shield most but not all?

>

> Or maybe something else...

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

why trying to invent the wheel again ?

We do have excellent wheels, and running.

Btw, a Faraday cage is not good.

I can detect and measure elektrosmog sources, most people do not have the

faintest idea, that they exist, and which are attacking them.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: faraday cage not helping

Shielding with a concrete wall/roof?

Shielding with water? Has anybody tried this? Best would be moving water... A

crazy idea: A water spray/fountain on the roof or on the wall of your bedroom?

I'm wondering if a wall of water bottles wouldn't help already... Although

that's not moving water of course...

>

> > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > inside

> > each thread.

> > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > still

> > some cellphone

> > signal at least near the corners.

> >

> > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > it looks

> > nice aesthetically).

> > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> >

> > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > fields

> > were already

> > pretty low.

> >

> > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > fabric is

> > rated much better

> > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> >

> > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > quiet,

> > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > different

> > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > and the

> > tent may shield most but not all?

> >

> > Or maybe something else...

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Loni,

the protective paint MUST be grounded.

However, the ground must be all right.

It is quite possible that your ground is dirty and that stray voltages are

coming into your house and are transmitted by the paint.

The protective paint can shield against the high frequencies, but the *dirty

air* of VLF may be striking at you.

And against what is the paint supposed to shield?

What about other directions?

You may be confronted with unwanted reflections.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: faraday cage not helping

I too put the protective paint on the walls & have not been able to sleep in

that room yet. Still ES symptoms. However the biologist tested & the measurement

was very low in that room. Not sure what is going on. Interesting it did not

help you either .

I don't think anyone could guarantee you what they did would ensure you could

sleep in that room.

Loni

> Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> inside

> each thread.

> The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> still

> some cellphone

> signal at least near the corners.

>

> I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> it looks

> nice aesthetically).

> My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

>

> The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> fields

> were already

> pretty low.

>

> I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> fabric is

> rated much better

> but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

>

> One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> quiet,

> the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> different

> frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> and the

> tent may shield most but not all?

>

> Or maybe something else...

> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Loni,

My friend felt much better once her faraday room (without shielding on the

floor) was grounded with 2 grounding rods instead of 1.

Maybe you should try a second grounding rod as well, I suppose it's not much

work and you never know it works for you too...

And if you put the grounding rod in the ground/garden outside, making them wet

could make a difference as well, at least so I've been told!

>

> > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > inside

> > each thread.

> > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > still

> > some cellphone

> > signal at least near the corners.

> >

> > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > it looks

> > nice aesthetically).

> > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> >

> > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > fields

> > were already

> > pretty low.

> >

> > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > fabric is

> > rated much better

> > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> >

> > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > quiet,

> > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > different

> > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > and the

> > tent may shield most but not all?

> >

> > Or maybe something else...

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I heard of a successful case where an architect had shielding

put onto the side of the house that faces the cell tower.

Everything was grounded there at the spot, which makes a proper

RF ground. Also you are a bit farther from the conductors so

the magnetic field the currents generate doesn't reach you either.

If an external shielding approach might work for you I can get

you in touch with the architect. She worked with LessEMF for

materials.

Bill

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

>

> I too put the protective paint on the walls & have not been able to sleep

> in that room yet. Still ES symptoms. However the biologist tested & the

> measurement was very low in that room. Not sure what is going on.

> Interesting it did not help you either .

>

> I don't think anyone could guarantee you what they did would ensure you

> could sleep in that room.

>

> Loni

>

>

>

> > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > inside

> > each thread.

> > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > still

> > some cellphone

> > signal at least near the corners.

> >

> > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > it looks

> > nice aesthetically).

> > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> >

> > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > fields

> > were already

> > pretty low.

> >

> > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > fabric is

> > rated much better

> > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> >

> > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > quiet,

> > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > different

> > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > and the

> > tent may shield most but not all?

> >

> > Or maybe something else...

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Loni,

,

Maybe you need an absorber on the inside of the room to make it work really

good?

Posts on this:

/message/15061

/message/19588

>

> > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > inside

> > each thread.

> > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > still

> > some cellphone

> > signal at least near the corners.

> >

> > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > it looks

> > nice aesthetically).

> > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> >

> > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > fields

> > were already

> > pretty low.

> >

> > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > fabric is

> > rated much better

> > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> >

> > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > quiet,

> > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > different

> > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > and the

> > tent may shield most but not all?

> >

> > Or maybe something else...

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I had a silver canopy over my bed too. No groundsheet.

When I went inside to measure it it was very low. So I thought it was working.

then one day I took the meter in again to see if there was a difference from day

to day. I got out and left the meter inside. The meter started to go very high-

up and up and up - higher than what it was outside? How could this be.

When I was inside - I was absorbing the radiation. I was the microwave absorber.

The canopy was acting as a sate-light dish. I was the focal point inside. The

radiation was coming up from the floor below.

So check that first. Are you on the first floor? It will come up from the

basement too.

It's extremely hard to shield a room and not have you become the microwave

absorber. You shield walls to reflect radiation from entering your house. You

put in Low e glass to stop it from coming into your windows - The radiation

inside the room needs to find a way out - or get adsorbed into the wall - or

it will go into you.

http://www.engineering.unl.edu/publications/blueprint/Fall08/05.shtml

On 2011-02-17, at 4:04 PM, wrote:

> Loni,

> ,

>

> Maybe you need an absorber on the inside of the room to make it work really

good?

>

> Posts on this:

> /message/15061

> /message/19588

>

>

> >

> > > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > > inside

> > > each thread.

> > > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > > still

> > > some cellphone

> > > signal at least near the corners.

> > >

> > > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > > it looks

> > > nice aesthetically).

> > > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> > >

> > > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > > fields

> > > were already

> > > pretty low.

> > >

> > > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > > fabric is

> > > rated much better

> > > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> > >

> > > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > > quiet,

> > > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > > different

> > > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > > and the

> > > tent may shield most but not all?

> > >

> > > Or maybe something else...

> > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Very interesting, I start to understand the problem with shielding! It's not

easy that's for sure...

I wonder if you have a perfect anechoic room on the ground floor without

shielding on the floor (so no problem for earth/Schuman waves), wouldn't that be

perfect?

(other than costing a fortune)

wrote on anechoic rooms:

/message/302

There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse

you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call *anechoic

rooms*. They are completely shielded.

A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable

in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes.

Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with

them, when they go out into space.

In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also.

The same goes for a totally shielded room.

Therefore I wrote:

> " But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded.

>Always leave something open. "

There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your

room.

> > >

> > > > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > > > inside

> > > > each thread.

> > > > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > > > still

> > > > some cellphone

> > > > signal at least near the corners.

> > > >

> > > > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > > > it looks

> > > > nice aesthetically).

> > > > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> > > >

> > > > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > > > fields

> > > > were already

> > > > pretty low.

> > > >

> > > > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > > > fabric is

> > > > rated much better

> > > > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> > > >

> > > > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > > > quiet,

> > > > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > > > different

> > > > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > > > and the

> > > > tent may shield most but not all?

> > > >

> > > > Or maybe something else...

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In the beginning, I made the mistake of only considering wireless radiation and

not electrical radiation. Later, I realized that electrical radiation from

wires in the walls/floors was also affecting me all along.

IMPORTANT: The copper paint and silver mesh, while blocking microwaves, may

increase electrical exposure due to their conductivity. (Listen to Camilla's

interview with Vicki Warren on electromagnetichealth.org). Thus, when

attempting microwave shielding, try to turn off the circuit breakers most

affecting your room's electrical wiring. If necessary, route in a power

extension cable from outside-- you can even make a shielded power cable.

See: http://www.emfcenter.com/emffree.htm for ideas on what is being done in

California

My suggestions:

1. Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital harmonics

such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer switches and

plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is somehow

going through your room.

2. Get a cheap non-contact voltage detector <$20. You'll find that a metal

table near energized wires hidden in floors/walls can also become slightly

energized if it's close enough.

3. Get a body voltage meter, or make your own. Find out which circuit breakers

most impact your room, and see which can be permanently turned off. Replace

metal bed frame with wooden.

For some illustrations, check:

http://www.wireless-precaution.com/main/precautions.php

>

> I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,

> grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to

> do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh

> and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the

> copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.

> My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including

> electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing

> material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to

> see if that helps.

> I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

> if they guaranteed I would feel better.

>

> Raleigh, NC

[Guest guest]

Puk replies Plasma TVs ie the real bad ones, can effect you from several

hundred meteres away, certainly in my sad scenario it comes from accros the

road into my wires (all wires) and will cross over the standard breaker when

off.

In a message dated 18/02/2011 01:10:57 GMT Standard Time,

emraware@... writes:

.. Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital

harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer

switches

and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is

somehow going through your room.

[Guest guest]

I agree with your suggestion about turning off the electricity in the bedroom

with a dipole switch. That is what I have done as well. My bedroom was the

worst room in the house. I slept on the couch in the living room for years.

But I continued to work on the bedroom. I've done so many things to that room.

Things which most people would not consider doing. I have lots of shielding in

the form of velostat which blocks microwaves as well. I spent whole rolls of

the stuff just making a canopy protection around the bed in that room. But

still I could not sleep in the room. Till I did something that I can't explain.

While looking at other homes I noticed the effect all wood houses had on me. I

live in a metal mobile home and needed some of the wood effect. So I took some

tongue and groove wood and build a wood canopy directly on the walls in the

corner of the room where my bed is. From floor to ceiling on both the headrest

side and the wall on one side of the bed and also across the ceiling. I put a

couple inches of space between the wood and the shielding on the wall and

crammed pink insulation into that space. I have not slept one night on the

couch in the living room since I did that. I am sleeping like a baby again. It

can be done.

> >

> > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,

> > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to

> > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh

> > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the

> > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.

> > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including

> > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing

> > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to

> > see if that helps.

> > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

> > if they guaranteed I would feel better.

> >

> > Raleigh, NC

>

[Guest guest]

So I guess that wood canopy works really great as a microwave absorber?

> > >

> > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,

> > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to

> > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh

> > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the

> > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.

> > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including

> > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing

> > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to

> > > see if that helps.

> > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

> > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.

> > >

> > > Raleigh, NC

> >

>

[Guest guest]

any sugesstions what I can do re nuetral wire ?

In a message dated 18/02/2011 20:11:43 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...

writes:

Probably coming on the neutral wire?

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:15 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>

>

> Puk replies Plasma TVs ie the real bad ones, can effect you from several

> hundred meteres away, certainly in my sad scenario it comes from accros

the

>

> road into my wires (all wires) and will cross over the standard breaker

> when

> off.

[Guest guest]

Your typical military/indusrial copper screen room

will not shield Schumann frequencies. The steel ones

would, and possibly the thick aluminum ones used for MEG

and such.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:36 PM, <

@...> wrote:

>

>

> Very interesting, I start to understand the problem with shielding! It's

> not easy that's for sure...

>

> I wonder if you have a perfect anechoic room on the ground floor without

> shielding on the floor (so no problem for earth/Schuman waves), wouldn't

> that be perfect?

> (other than costing a fortune)

>

> wrote on anechoic rooms:

> /message/302

>

> There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse

> you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call

> *anechoic

> rooms*. They are completely shielded.

> A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable

> in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes.

> Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with

> them, when they go out into space.

> In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also.

> The same goes for a totally shielded room.

>

> Therefore I wrote:

> > " But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded.

> >Always leave something open. "

> There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your

> room.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > > > > inside

> > > > > each thread.

> > > > > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > > > > still

> > > > > some cellphone

> > > > > signal at least near the corners.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > > > > it looks

> > > > > nice aesthetically).

> > > > > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > > > > fields

> > > > > were already

> > > > > pretty low.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > > > > fabric is

> > > > > rated much better

> > > > > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> > > > >

> > > > > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > > > > quiet,

> > > > > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > > > > different

> > > > > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > > > > and the

> > > > > tent may shield most but not all?

> > > > >

> > > > > Or maybe something else...

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I should clarify: won't shield the magnetic component of the

Schumann waves.

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

> Your typical military/indusrial copper screen room

> will not shield Schumann frequencies. The steel ones

> would, and possibly the thick aluminum ones used for MEG

> and such.

>

>

> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:36 PM, <

> @...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Very interesting, I start to understand the problem with shielding! It's

>> not easy that's for sure...

>>

>> I wonder if you have a perfect anechoic room on the ground floor without

>> shielding on the floor (so no problem for earth/Schuman waves), wouldn't

>> that be perfect?

>> (other than costing a fortune)

>>

>> wrote on anechoic rooms:

>> /message/302

>>

>> There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse

>> you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call

>> *anechoic

>> rooms*. They are completely shielded.

>> A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very

>> uncomfortable

>> in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes.

>> Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with

>> them, when they go out into space.

>> In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also.

>> The same goes for a totally shielded room.

>>

>> Therefore I wrote:

>> > " But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded.

>> >Always leave something open. "

>> There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your

>> room.

>>

>>

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

>>

>> > > > > inside

>> > > > > each thread.

>> > > > > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

>>

>> > > > > still

>> > > > > some cellphone

>> > > > > signal at least near the corners.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

>> > > > > it looks

>> > > > > nice aesthetically).

>> > > > > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

>> > > > > fields

>> > > > > were already

>> > > > > pretty low.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

>> > > > > fabric is

>> > > > > rated much better

>> > > > > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

>>

>> > > > > quiet,

>> > > > > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

>> > > > > different

>> > > > > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

>> > > > > and the

>> > > > > tent may shield most but not all?

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Or maybe something else...

>> > > > > Bill

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Probably coming on the neutral wire?

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:15 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>

>

> Puk replies Plasma TVs ie the real bad ones, can effect you from several

> hundred meteres away, certainly in my sad scenario it comes from accros the

>

> road into my wires (all wires) and will cross over the standard breaker

> when

> off.

>

>

> In a message dated 18/02/2011 01:10:57 GMT Standard Time,

> emraware@... writes:

>

> . Get an AM radio <$20: You need to turn off any sources of digital

> harmonics such as dimmer switches and plasma TV's and computers. Dimmer

> switches

> and plasma TV's in another room could still affect you if the wiring is

> somehow going through your room.

>

>

[Guest guest]

So there's a big difference between the material copper versus steel/aluminium?

For:

-Shielding (different frequencies are shielded better/worse)

-Reflection inside

?

> > > > >

> > > > > > Someone lent me a high-end bed canopy: cotton with silvered fibers

> > > > > > inside

> > > > > > each thread.

> > > > > > The microwave fields are about 10 times lower inside, but there is

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > some cellphone

> > > > > > signal at least near the corners.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm not convinced I feel any better in it, possibly worse (though

> > > > > > it looks

> > > > > > nice aesthetically).

> > > > > > My wife got a headache in it but that could be a coincidence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reception at 135 MHz is quite quiet inside. And the magnetic

> > > > > > fields

> > > > > > were already

> > > > > > pretty low.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit disappointed that the shielding isn't better... the

> > > > > > fabric is

> > > > > > rated much better

> > > > > > but the sewing is nothing like the industrial shielding tents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thought though is if you have tinnitus and go somewhere really

> > > > > > quiet,

> > > > > > the tinnitus seems louder. Maybe having a variety of exposures at

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > frequencies and modulations is more tolerable than having fewer,

> > > > > > and the

> > > > > > tent may shield most but not all?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or maybe something else...

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have no idea what the scientific explanation for it is. I couldn't even

hazard a guess. I leave that sort of speculation up to others here in the group

with the background to do so. I've just gone by my feelings on trying different

things. I know that when I was looking at houses how it made me feel inside a

wood house. So I took the clue and made the wood faraday cage. While the

layers of velostat did make me feel better the shielding didn't do enough by

itself to make the room livable. Maybe the insulation and the wood provided

insulation the way wires also need insulation around them. Copper shielding for

instance would need some sort of insulation or if you touched it you would still

get the current. We may be so sensitive that just being near the shielding

without touching it still effects us and what is needed is insulation on top of

the shielding. Those would be my thoughts for what they are worth.

> > > >

> > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,

> > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to

> > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh

> > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the

> > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.

> > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including

> > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing

> > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to

> > > > see if that helps.

> > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

> > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.

> > > >

> > > > Raleigh, NC

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all

As I've posted before, I turned my bedroom into a faraday cage quite a few

months ago. By lining the walls and the ceiling with aluminium foil (foil on

both sides - the type usually used for insulation in roofs). The windows have

aluminium mosquito mesh. All this is grounded to two earthing spikes outside.

Initially I felt better in there and slept for the first time in six years and

that without sleeping pills. I can't begin to describe the level of insomnia I

suffered from - and that was despite using every sleeping pill on the market (as

well as using meds like Seroquel for their sedating side-effects). None of

these meds had a lasting effect on my insomnia, they just made me extremely

tired during the day (more so than I already was with CFS).

Then I put a 'floor' into the cage as well - and got no more cell phone

reception in there at all. But I started feeling really badly, couldn't sleep

any more and I could actually feel the radiation in the room, reflecting off the

walls. And when I walked bare-foot on the aluminium floor, I could feel the

radiation coming up through my feet.

So I took the floor out again and now the room feels great again and I can

sleep. I feel best when I get up in the morning, and then within a short time of

being outside of the room,, I start feeling tired again and my skins starts

burning (which it doesn't do in the room).

So for me the faraday cage has definitely made a huge difference and if I could,

I would shield the whole house that way. I think it needs to be grounded very

well, and where you ground it to, shouldn't have radiation that it brings back

into the room.

(I tried moving to a farm a few months ago, but went right back to being a

complete insomniac. Now back in the faraday cage I can sleep again).

I don't switch the power off to the room at night, because there are other rooms

on the same circuit and I would be extremely unpopular around here if I did

that! But my bed is in the middle of the room, and thus well away from the

walls. Also I put the foil over all the power sockets, so whatever electrical

fields are in the walls, should be travelling via the foil to the earthing

spikes.

To answer somebody's question about the different light sources:

- Fluorescent lights and energy savers are my biggest problem (more so than any

other radiation). If I spend as little as a minute near one of them, my neck

aches for the rest of the day, I get extremely tired and depressed, and I start

feeling hypoglycemic.

- Incandescents are OK, as long as they don't shine on me from to nearby or

for too long.

Anyway, as I posted a week or two ago re porphyria. I've since read that Nexus

article of Dr Rochlitz and it's extremely interesting. He links all these

environmental illnesses (CFS, MS, FMS and ES) to undiagnosed porphyria, which he

says is must more common than everyone has been led to believe. And he also says

that that leads to secondary mastocytosis, which he thinks is the cause of ES.

(Prof Olle Johansoon (which has been mention on esens before) actually found

increased mast cells when he did skin biopsies on ES people).

So whilst shielding against and avoiding EMF is good and I think necessary even

if one isn't so sensitive to it as it's not good for anybody's health, I also

think that we need to try and get to why we're so much more sensitive than other

people and address that as well. I spend most of my time in that faraday cage

and I'm a wreck every time I go to a mall, even if it's just for a short time.

So avoidance (and feeling better) has me living like a hermit.

As per my first porphyria post: I've read about people losing their sensitivity

to EMF and some that were actually blistering from fluorescent lights, lost that

reaction as well when they were trated for infections with long-term

antibiotics, and taking measures against porphyria (with or without antibiotic

treatment).

I've for the last week been taking Tagamet (cimetidine) which apparently lowers

porphyrin levels, and as of yesteray, I've added topical (on the skin) sodium

cromoglycinate (which is a mast cell stabilizer). So far it seems promising - I

have not had the burning skin yesterday or today when not in the cage (although

fluorescent lights in a pharmacy yesterday still made me feel terrible - got the

sodium cromolyn there, so that was pre trying that).

I've ordered Dr Rochlitz's book, and should be getting it this week (to

SA) and then I'll report back on that as well. He apparently goes into the

causes of porphyria, why it's underdiagnosed, how to get it diagnosed, how

having it leads to all these environmental illnesses, and how to treat it with

diet, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I too have not had success with a faraday silver mesh around the bed,

> > > > > grounded or ungrounded. I would love for someone to tell me what to

> > > > > do to make it work. My sense is the radiation is hovering on the mesh

> > > > > and that is interfering with my auric field/electrical body. Even the

> > > > > copper paint on the walls in my room increases my ES.

> > > > > My wife has spent about $50K redoing our master suite including

> > > > > electrical wires and we are going to try the microwave absorbing

> > > > > material with the silver mesh woven into curtains over the windows to

> > > > > see if that helps.

> > > > > I would pay someone $500 to come into my house and tell we what to do

> > > > > if they guaranteed I would feel better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raleigh, NC

> > > >

> > >

> >

>