Re: Do laptops or desktops give the most EMFS?

[Guest guest]

I think desktops can be easier to tolerate, because with a laptop

you are so close to it. With desktops, you only need to be close

to the keyboard and the mouse, and the computer and monitor can

be kept a reasonable distance away. And if you are really sensitive,

you can buy extension cords for the keyboard and mouse and make the

computer and monitor really far away. You may need to buy a

larger monitor in this case, but I find the distance factor

outweighs the additional EMF from a larger monitor. (My computer

monitor is about 4 feet away from me, and 26 " diagonal)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Are there any products that you know of that would make desktops and

laptops give you the same EMFs, regardless of distance? Or does

distance help more than any EMF blocking products do?

[Guest guest]

I think it's nice to run off a battery. If you are electronically fluent

you could run a regular desktop on a battery pack, but it's obviously

easier with a laptop, which has a battery. Then add external keyboard

and external monitor.

Bill

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> I think desktops can be easier to tolerate, because with a laptop

> you are so close to it. With desktops, you only need to be close

> to the keyboard and the mouse, and the computer and monitor can

> be kept a reasonable distance away. And if you are really sensitive,

> you can buy extension cords for the keyboard and mouse and make the

> computer and monitor really far away. You may need to buy a

> larger monitor in this case, but I find the distance factor

> outweighs the additional EMF from a larger monitor. (My computer

> monitor is about 4 feet away from me, and 26 " diagonal)

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Are there any products that you know of that would make desktops and

> laptops give you the same EMFs, regardless of distance? Or does

> distance help more than any EMF blocking products do?

Distance has one advantage over most EMF blocking products -- it

seems to work for everyone, and it is easily understood. With EMF

blocking products, you will find that certain types of products

work in some situations for some people, while someone else may

not experience the same benefits. Also, if you are dealing

with EMF protection devices, some people refuse to use them

because they don't understand how they work, or don't believe

that they will work.

Also, another thing to consider -- some monitors and laptops

allow you to turn down the backlight, making the screen

dimmer. This may also help make it more tolerable. Also,

lowering the resolution may help as well (if for no other

reason than you see it better from a greater distance)

Also, not all desktops and laptops are created equally.

You may find one particular brand or model is far easier

to tolerate than another. Or you may find that it makes

a difference in how you use it (it may be harder to

tolerate when turning on the Wi-Fi radio, or downloading

large files from the Internet, etc)

Marc

[Guest guest]

So laptops will in most cases give you more EMFs unless you use an

external monitor and keyboard with them at least 4 feet away? I would

imagine that a battery on a desktop would run out of power very

quickly. But how would using a battery on a desktop emit less EMFs?

Would the monitor also be run on a battery?

[Guest guest]

> I would

> imagine that a battery on a desktop would run out of power very

> quickly. But how would using a battery on a desktop emit less EMFs?

> Would the monitor also be run on a battery?

That seems rather impractical to run a desktop computer and/or

standalone computer monitor on a battery. You'd be better off

simply trying to improve the quality of the power going into

these, like with a filtering power strip or an EMF protection

device. But here we get into the area where not everyone

will experience improvements with these (and may even get

worse), so you'd have to experiment and see if you notice

any improvements.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > I would

> > imagine that a battery on a desktop would run out of power very

> > quickly. But how would using a battery on a desktop emit less EMFs?

> > Would the monitor also be run on a battery?

>

> That seems rather impractical to run a desktop computer and/or

> standalone computer monitor on a battery. You'd be better off

> simply trying to improve the quality of the power going into

> these, like with a filtering power strip or an EMF protection

> device. But here we get into the area where not everyone

> will experience improvements with these (and may even get

> worse), so you'd have to experiment and see if you notice

> any improvements.

>

> Marc

>

Even with EMF protection, how much worse is it to use a laptop right

in front of you with no external monitor or keyboard for hours at a

time than a desktop that's 3 to 4 feet away from you?

[Guest guest]

> Even with EMF protection, how much worse is it to use a laptop right

> in front of you with no external monitor or keyboard for hours at a

> time than a desktop that's 3 to 4 feet away from you?

That really depends on your individual sensitivities. In my case,

I've got all sorts of EMF protection devices, and find that using

a laptop will start to bother me with less than an hour of use,

even when running on batteries and with the wireless antenna

turned off. On the other hand, I can use my desktop for 10

hours a day, everyday if I wanted to.

But my testing isn't exactly fair, because I use a desktop

at home and work and the laptop is only used on trips.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > Even with EMF protection, how much worse is it to use a laptop right

> > in front of you with no external monitor or keyboard for hours at a

> > time than a desktop that's 3 to 4 feet away from you?

>

> That really depends on your individual sensitivities. In my case,

> I've got all sorts of EMF protection devices, and find that using

> a laptop will start to bother me with less than an hour of use,

> even when running on batteries and with the wireless antenna

> turned off. On the other hand, I can use my desktop for 10

> hours a day, everyday if I wanted to.

>

> But my testing isn't exactly fair, because I use a desktop

> at home and work and the laptop is only used on trips.

>

> Marc

>

But regardless if someone feels these short-term effects, isn't it

going to be equally as bad for their long-term health? I personally

felt more uncomfortable from a laptop due to its warm keyboard and the

screen seemed harder on my eyes for some reason. I was even sweating

when I had it on my lap.

[Guest guest]

> But regardless if someone feels these short-term effects, isn't it

> going to be equally as bad for their long-term health?

I suppose it depends if the short-term " feeling bad " is due to

something being harmful, or is simply the body detoxifying

itself. And if the short-term " feeling good " is due a less

harmful environment, or the body's detoxification systems being

suppressed.

For example, I've long used items from Quantum Products to

help improve my tolerance to EMF. However, I get the

impression that these might be suppressing my body's

detoxification mechanisms, which makes me feel good

in the short-term, but may not be a good thing in the

long run if used in excess.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > But regardless if someone feels these short-term effects, isn't it

> > going to be equally as bad for their long-term health?

>

> I suppose it depends if the short-term " feeling bad " is due to

> something being harmful, or is simply the body detoxifying

> itself. And if the short-term " feeling good " is due a less

> harmful environment, or the body's detoxification systems being

> suppressed.

>

> For example, I've long used items from Quantum Products to

> help improve my tolerance to EMF. However, I get the

> impression that these might be suppressing my body's

> detoxification mechanisms, which makes me feel good

> in the short-term, but may not be a good thing in the

> long run if used in excess.

>

> Marc

>

So either way it may have a negative effect in the long-term? What do

you think of this Aulterra Neutralizer?

http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/welcome/item_detail/1 It's supposed to

reduce EMFs after you stick it on your computer or cell phone. If I

stuck one on every one of my computers, TVs, and monitors, would I no

longer need to worry about EMFs?

[Guest guest]

> So either way it may have a negative effect in the long-term?

I'm just pointing out that short term improvements don't

necessarily mean long term improvements. The better

solutions provide both. :-)

> What do you think of this Aulterra Neutralizer?

I have an Aulterra Neutralizer, and I find that its

not powerful enough to reduce my symptoms around

computers. In fact, I recall that it made my

symptoms worse! (probably due to my body

mobilizing more toxins that my liver can

not process)

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > So either way it may have a negative effect in the long-term?

>

> I'm just pointing out that short term improvements don't

> necessarily mean long term improvements. The better

> solutions provide both. :-)

>

> > What do you think of this Aulterra Neutralizer?

>

> I have an Aulterra Neutralizer, and I find that its

> not powerful enough to reduce my symptoms around

> computers. In fact, I recall that it made my

> symptoms worse! (probably due to my body

> mobilizing more toxins that my liver can

> not process)

>

> Marc

>

What are these " better solution " ? And what products have you purchased

that have completely removed EMFs from your home?

[Guest guest]

> What are these " better solution " ? And what products have

> you purchased that have completely removed EMFs from your home?

There is no good way to completely remove EMFs from your

home, so you'll need to ask a different question.

With my particular sensitives and my particular EMF

environment, I regularly use the following devices:

Quantum Companion

http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html

Quantum Home http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html

Quantum Byte http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html

Quantum Power Conditioner

http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

Springlife stainless steel pendant

http://www.choosecra.com/store/tech/splf-silver-pendants.html

Tachyonized wrist bands http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/index.htm

I also occasionally use the following devices:

Mega-Chi pendant http://www.oxygenresearch.com/oxybliss/megachipendant.html

Personal Polarizer http://cutcat.com/item.php?item_id=827

There are certainly lots of other devices on the

market, and I have tried many of them, but these

are the above are the ones I use, and I've used

them long enough to know that they provide both

short and long term benefits.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > What are these " better solution " ? And what products have

> > you purchased that have completely removed EMFs from your home?

>

> There is no good way to completely remove EMFs from your

> home, so you'll need to ask a different question.

>

> With my particular sensitives and my particular EMF

> environment, I regularly use the following devices:

>

> Quantum Companion

http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html

> Quantum Home http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html

> Quantum Byte http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html

> Quantum Power Conditioner

http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

> Springlife stainless steel pendant

http://www.choosecra.com/store/tech/splf-silver-pendants.html

> Tachyonized wrist bands

http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/index.htm

>

> I also occasionally use the following devices:

>

> Mega-Chi pendant

http://www.oxygenresearch.com/oxybliss/megachipendant.html

> Personal Polarizer http://cutcat.com/item.php?item_id=827

>

> There are certainly lots of other devices on the

> market, and I have tried many of them, but these

> are the above are the ones I use, and I've used

> them long enough to know that they provide both

> short and long term benefits.

>

> Marc

>

Which one of these works best? And with these products,would you still

get more EMFs when using a laptop's keyboard directly in front of you,

than when using a desktop?

[Guest guest]

> Which one of these works best? And with these products,would you still

> get more EMFs when using a laptop's keyboard directly in front of you,

> than when using a desktop?

Again, these products do NOT change the amount of EMFs coming from

a laptop. They merely make the EMFs more tolerable (to me, at least).

For a laptop, I generally use the Quantum Byte software (which has

a 2-week free trial), a Quantum power conditioner (plug the laptop's

power cord into this), and a Springlife pendant (to be placed on

your person or on the laptop).

So that's 3 products all used at once. As for which one product

works the best, I suppose the Quantum Home or the Mega-Chi pendant.

However, those products are far more expensive.

Also, if looking for a single product, I had good luck with

former list-member Vinny Pinto's Coherent Space devices:

http://www.coherentspace.info/products.html

I generally don't mention these because they are very expensive,

and there are no money-back guarantees offered.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > Which one of these works best? And with these products,would you still

> > get more EMFs when using a laptop's keyboard directly in front of you,

> > than when using a desktop?

>

> Again, these products do NOT change the amount of EMFs coming from

> a laptop. They merely make the EMFs more tolerable (to me, at least).

> For a laptop, I generally use the Quantum Byte software (which has

> a 2-week free trial), a Quantum power conditioner (plug the laptop's

> power cord into this), and a Springlife pendant (to be placed on

> your person or on the laptop).

>

> So that's 3 products all used at once. As for which one product

> works the best, I suppose the Quantum Home or the Mega-Chi pendant.

> However, those products are far more expensive.

>

> Also, if looking for a single product, I had good luck with

> former list-member Vinny Pinto's Coherent Space devices:

>

> http://www.coherentspace.info/products.html

>

> I generally don't mention these because they are very expensive,

> and there are no money-back guarantees offered.

>

> Marc

>

I would like to know what the ideal situation would be to avoid as

much negative effects of EMFs as possible. Out of the following

scenarios, which ones would you get the worst effects from EMFs and

which ones would you get the least when doing these for hours at a

time? Could you possibly rate each scenario as to how healthy or

unhealthy it would be to do for several or many hours each day?

using a laptop on a table 2 feet or less away from you with an

external mouse, but no external keyboard or monitor or EMF blocking

products

using a laptop on a table 2 feet or less away from you with no

external keyboard or monitor with EMF blocking products and an

external mouse

using a laptop on a table 4 feet or more away from you with an

external monitor, keyboard, and mouse with EMF blocking products

using a desktop two feet or less from you with no EMF blocking products

using a desktop two feet or less from you with EMF blocking products

using a desktop four feet or more from you with no EMF blocking products

using a desktop four feet or more from you with EMF blocking products

[Guest guest]

> I would like to know what the ideal situation would be to avoid as

> much negative effects of EMFs as possible. Out of the following

> scenarios, which ones would you get the worst effects from EMFs and

> which ones would you get the least when doing these for hours at a

> time? Could you possibly rate each scenario as to how healthy or

> unhealthy it would be to do for several or many hours each day?

Hmmm, I think there is such a large variation in laptops and

desktops and EMF blocking products that it is impossible to

generically rate them against each other.

All I can say is that after experimenting for years, I have found

the following to be the healthiest option:

" using a desktop four feet or more from you with EMF blocking products "

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > I would like to know what the ideal situation would be to avoid as

> > much negative effects of EMFs as possible. Out of the following

> > scenarios, which ones would you get the worst effects from EMFs and

> > which ones would you get the least when doing these for hours at a

> > time? Could you possibly rate each scenario as to how healthy or

> > unhealthy it would be to do for several or many hours each day?

>

> Hmmm, I think there is such a large variation in laptops and

> desktops and EMF blocking products that it is impossible to

> generically rate them against each other.

>

> All I can say is that after experimenting for years, I have found

> the following to be the healthiest option:

>

> " using a desktop four feet or more from you with EMF blocking

products "

>

> Marc

That's what I thought would be best, but how does it compare to using

a desktop four feet away without EMF products? Is the desktop four

feet away without EMF products still better than using a laptop two

feet away from you with or without EMF blocking products?

>

[Guest guest]

> That's what I thought would be best, but how does it compare to using

> a desktop four feet away without EMF products? Is the desktop four

> feet away without EMF products still better than using a laptop two

> feet away from you with or without EMF blocking products?

You can't really say, because there is so much variation in

laptops, desktops, computer monitors, and EMF blocking products.

I think that you can probably make any of these options

" good enough " if you're willing to spend lots of time

and money experimenting with different brands/models of

computers and different types of EMF products.

However, from a cost standpoint, it is often best to

just stick with the computer you already have, and

add shielding / devices / extension cords as needed.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > That's what I thought would be best, but how does it compare to using

> > a desktop four feet away without EMF products? Is the desktop four

> > feet away without EMF products still better than using a laptop two

> > feet away from you with or without EMF blocking products?

>

> You can't really say, because there is so much variation in

> laptops, desktops, computer monitors, and EMF blocking products.

> I think that you can probably make any of these options

> " good enough " if you're willing to spend lots of time

> and money experimenting with different brands/models of

> computers and different types of EMF products.

>

> However, from a cost standpoint, it is often best to

> just stick with the computer you already have, and

> add shielding / devices / extension cords as needed.

>

> Marc

>

Well, I've already bought a new desktop and laptop to try, and wanted

to make sure that I use the setup that will give me the least problems

with EMFs. I thought that using a desktop at a distance would be best,

but it sounds like you think you can get a laptop setup to be just as

good even when you are less than two feet away from it and using the

laptop's keyboard.

[Guest guest]

> I thought that using a desktop at a distance would be best,

> but it sounds like you think you can get a laptop setup to be just as

> good even when you are less than two feet away from it and using the

> laptop's keyboard.

It's possible, but you might find it easier and cheaper (less trial

and error and cheaper EMF protection products) to use an external

keyboard and monitor with your laptop. After all, it may require

$1000 worth of EMF protection to make a laptop feel good,

while an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse would be cheap in

comparison. It all depends on your what's important to you.

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > I thought that using a desktop at a distance would be best,

> > but it sounds like you think you can get a laptop setup to be just as

> > good even when you are less than two feet away from it and using the

> > laptop's keyboard.

>

> It's possible, but you might find it easier and cheaper (less trial

> and error and cheaper EMF protection products) to use an external

> keyboard and monitor with your laptop. After all, it may require

> $1000 worth of EMF protection to make a laptop feel good,

> while an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse would be cheap in

> comparison. It all depends on your what's important to you.

>

> Marc

>

But if you are going to use an external monitor and external keyboard

with a laptop, then what advantage will the laptop have over a

desktop? In that case, wouldn't it be better to use a desktop? Is it

that the laptop has much cheaper EMF products or gives off

significantly less amounts of EMF compared to a desktop?

[Guest guest]

> But if you are going to use an external monitor and external keyboard

> with a laptop, then what advantage will the laptop have over a

> desktop?

The only advantage I can think of is if you already own

a laptop, and don't want to spend more money on another

computer.

Otherwise, if the computer is going to be kept at a

distance, then it doesn't really matter if it's a

laptop or a desktop (although the smaller size of

the laptop might make it easier to shield or find

a good location to position an EMF protection device)

Marc

[Guest guest]

>

> > But if you are going to use an external monitor and external keyboard

> > with a laptop, then what advantage will the laptop have over a

> > desktop?

>

> The only advantage I can think of is if you already own

> a laptop, and don't want to spend more money on another

> computer.

>

> Otherwise, if the computer is going to be kept at a

> distance, then it doesn't really matter if it's a

> laptop or a desktop (although the smaller size of

> the laptop might make it easier to shield or find

> a good location to position an EMF protection device)

>

> Marc

>

I had been sitting less than 2 feet from 15 and 17 inch CRT monitors

for the past 8 years. For awhile I had a long clear crystal like thing

that was supposed to help with the radiation but it broke.

At this point I don't have to spend any extra money either way. I had

to replace my very old desktop PC and I can choose one or the other

which is why I need to know all this. So I guess I'd be best using a

desktop?

And just how much do you think it would cost to get to use a laptop in

front of you with nothing external and good protection from EMFs?