Re: Good death as important as long life

[Guest guest]

> Hi All,

>

> " people are beginning to value a good death as much as they do a long

> life " :

>

> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/05/20/good.death.reut/index.html

>

>

> What happens to late-life CRers?

>

> Walford's death was premature for his CR and maybe typical of those

> with his genetic affliction.

>

> How goes the lives of other late-life CRs?

>

> How went late-life CR animals' lives?

>

> Cheers, Al Pater.

Interesting question. Found this about mice.

http://www.lef.org/newsletter/2004/2004_03_22.html

The first study found that within two months of the initiation of the

diets, the rate of age-associated mortality decreased three-fold in

the restricted group, with the average time to death increasing 42

percent. Maximum lifespan was extended from 37.6 to 43.6 months.

The cause of death for both groups of mice was mainly tumors, however

the onset and growth of tumors was delayed in the calorie restricted mice.

Cheers,

Aequalsz

[Guest guest]

--- In , " john roberts " <johnhrob@n...>

wrote:

> I would advise caution about trying to parse out human QOL from mouse

> studies. In some cases the mice strains were selected for

susceptibility to

> cancer for research purposes.

>

> I prefer the CR dog studies as a more appropriate benchmark. In

later life

> the restricted animals were much more youthful in energy level and

> appearance than the animals fed more calories. This ain't about the end

> game, it's about slowing the rate of aging now.

>

> I suspect we will all die (I expect to), and if lucky some of us may

even

> die of old age. I'm not dwelling on that, I'm focusing on how I'm

living.

>

" I would advise caution about trying to parse out human QOL from mouse

studies. "

That retort begs for a bit of sarcasm since the whole CRON thing has

never been shown to work on humans, only for animals. But one must

mind one's manners on this web site.

A lot of people apparently equate the animal studies to apply equally

well to humans. I don't. So there's nothing for me to be cautious

about. Have no delusions on my part. I'm certainly not going to

starve myself and wish to live to be 120 years old - personally I tend

to think that CRONing actually won't do much for extending life

expectancies in humans - maybe a few years is all. But will

" rectangularize " the curve as you CRON aficionados like to say.

my cautious thoughts,

Aequalsz

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm not sure myself about the proof of long life for CRON-ers based

on animal studies. BUT it may not be important. I feel so much

better on a low calorie diet and my body functions so much better that

I am not going to worry about the end, but just enjoy the now.

>

> mjb

>

Those are encouraging words to me, a newbie to a " CRONish " diet. I

tried the Atkins diet and lost a few pounds but after a few days was

kind of grouchy and the wife threatened to shoot me (not really).

Also tried the Carbohydrate Addicts diet, lost a few pounds and seemed

to be successful at first, only to relapse into my former ways and

regained all lost weight. This " CRONish " *** diet for the last few

weeks has put me back to the weight level I reached with the Carbo

Addicts diet, so am hopeful I can stay with it.

Aequalsz

*** Editors note. CRONish diet - not strictly a CRON or CRIN or

whatever diet, because at 2000 calories, it's way off the scale to

qualify. However at the subject's current age he is likely to begin

experiencing rapid loss of muscle mass and strength as well as perhaps

bone density - even a drop in libido - God forbid. For this reason he

is lifting weights and jogging to supplement his current diet plan to

attempt to improve health.

[Guest guest]

Death is only one thing - BAD. (not original quote)

Regards.

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