Re: Shielding for 23 Ghz Wimax? Need help, please.

[Guest guest]

Welcome Debbi,

I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about

the following statement:

> One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute

> said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets

> they sell.

Did they elaborate on this? I think we've got more than a few people

here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they

do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.

Thanks,

Marc

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marc for welcoming me to the group. I went through my email in box and

found Zucker's email about Earthing Institute's grounded sheets. (See

below)

I'm reluctant to ground using the outlets in my house as I have high MGauss

(stray voltage) readings as I am one of six townhouse units that share the same

water pipe and meter, thus the same ground, not to mention the fire sprinkler

system we share. (I really don't know for sure if this a problem, but it

concerns me.) I can't exactly run a line out of my house into a metal ground

outside because of townhouse association rules. Plus, now the ground is frozen

pretty solid here in MN - :>)

So I'm wondering about using Argenmesh fabric as sheets without grounding them.

Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks,

Debbi

( Zucker's email)

" Hi Debbi

If you are electrosensitive, you would want to start very slowly with Earthing.

You might even want to stand or walk or sit outdoors on grass or gravel or sand

or unpainted concrete and see how you feel. That is the equivalent of using the

Earthing products indoors.

If you decide to get an Earthing sheet, make direct skin contact and see how you

feel. Some electrosensitive people have to increase their exposure to the

Earth's energy very slowly. So take it slow.

Regarding rf frequency, rf signals are not attracted to metals. Metals just

react to them more than other materials because they are good conductors and

have a number of electrons free to move according to the electric field of the

rf signal. That is why antennas are made of metal. The movement of electrons

inside the metallic antenna can be detected by sensitive electronics and

transformed in sounds (radio) or images (TV). The silver in the sheet will not

attract more rf signals. Because the electrons in the metal respond to the rf

signal, sheets contaning metal will stop the rf signal. In other words, the rf

signal does not penetrate much through the sheets. This protects you from them.

But the biggest protection the sheets give you is access to the earth's

electrons which will neutralize reactive oxygen species (ROS), oxidative agents

inside your body that damage your cells (electrons are the source of the

neutralizing power of antioxidants). The earth's electrons also carry

frequencies that the body uses to synchronizes itself to circadian cycles and

other universal cycles (moon cycle, for example).

Hope that is helpful

Zucker for the Earthing Project "

>

> Welcome Debbi,

>

> I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about

> the following statement:

>

> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute

> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets

> > they sell.

>

> Did they elaborate on this? I think we've got more than a few people

> here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they

> do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

I think this is the answer, from

http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/library/downloads/es_5_action-20100706.pdf

" Another way of reducing the effects of exposure is by attaching a wire to

ground from a copper bracelet. However, this is also very likely to increase

your exposure to electric fields, as you will

become the quickest 'path to earth' for any emitters of electric fields you are

near. This may well affect the physical well being of some ES people. "

However, if you were to turn off the circuit breakers affecting your room's

electrical field, then you wouldn't have to worry about it.

>

> Welcome Debbi,

>

> I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about

> the following statement:

>

> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute

> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets

> > they sell.

>

> Did they elaborate on this? I think we've got more than a few people

> here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they

> do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks, Marc for welcoming me to the group. I went through my email in

> box and found Zucker's email about Earthing Institute's grounded

> sheets. (See below)

Thanks Debbi. Interesting.

I personally did not like making direct contact with the Earthing ground

sheet, so I just have it at the foot of my bed, with a cotton sheet between

me and the grounding sheet. I think this works better for me, and perhaps

the sheet is diverting some local EMF to ground rather than *me* being

the path to ground (via the sheet).

Marc

[Guest guest]

Walking on the Earth is generally NOT the same as grounding/earthing

indoors. The reason is simple: Outdoors there are no sources of strong

electric field (aka high voltage). Indoors there will be voltage present, in

all the wires and appliances (assuming they are not turned off at the

breaker).

Remember, as I have said over and over, electric field is voltage (V)

divided by distance (m) or V/m. When you introduce a ground near a voltage,

you have decreased m between the voltage a ground. This increases the

electric field in that space.

There are several ways around this.

1- before doing grounding, check with an electric field meter. Locate

sources of voltage relative to the position of the ground. Put the ground

BETWEEN yourself and the voltage.

2- if you are between 2 (or more) voltages, you may need 2 (or more)grounds.

In a bed setting, that means putting your self BETWEEN 2 grounding sheets.

Emil

Re: Shielding for 23 Ghz Wimax? Need help, please.

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Marc for welcoming me to the group. I went through my email in

> box and found Zucker's email about Earthing Institute's grounded

> sheets. (See below)

>

> I'm reluctant to ground using the outlets in my house as I have high

> MGauss (stray voltage) readings as I am one of six townhouse units that

> share the same water pipe and meter, thus the same ground, not to mention

> the fire sprinkler system we share. (I really don't know for sure if this

> a problem, but it concerns me.) I can't exactly run a line out of my house

> into a metal ground outside because of townhouse association rules. Plus,

> now the ground is frozen pretty solid here in MN - :>)

>

> So I'm wondering about using Argenmesh fabric as sheets without grounding

> them.

> Anyone know anything about this?

>

> Thanks,

> Debbi

>

>

> ( Zucker's email)

> " Hi Debbi

> If you are electrosensitive, you would want to start very slowly with

> Earthing. You might even want to stand or walk or sit outdoors on grass

> or gravel or sand or unpainted concrete and see how you feel. That is the

> equivalent of using the Earthing products indoors.

> If you decide to get an Earthing sheet, make direct skin contact and see

> how you feel. Some electrosensitive people have to increase their

> exposure to the Earth's energy very slowly. So take it slow.

> Regarding rf frequency, rf signals are not attracted to metals. Metals

> just react to them more than other materials because they are good

> conductors and have a number of electrons free to move according to the

> electric field of the rf signal. That is why antennas are made of metal.

> The movement of electrons inside the metallic antenna can be detected by

> sensitive electronics and transformed in sounds (radio) or images (TV).

> The silver in the sheet will not attract more rf signals. Because the

> electrons in the metal respond to the rf signal, sheets contaning metal

> will stop the rf signal. In other words, the rf signal does not penetrate

> much through the sheets. This protects you from them. But the biggest

> protection the sheets give you is access to the earth's electrons which

> will neutralize reactive oxygen species (ROS), oxidative agents inside

> your body that damage your cells (electrons are the source of the

> neutralizing power of antioxidants). The earth's electrons also carry

> frequencies that the body uses to synchronizes itself to circadian cycles

> and other universal cycles (moon cycle, for example).

> Hope that is helpful

> Zucker for the Earthing Project "

>

>

>>

>> Welcome Debbi,

>>

>> I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about

>> the following statement:

>>

>> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute

>> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets

>> > they sell.

>>

>> Did they elaborate on this? I think we've got more than a few people

>> here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they

>> do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Marc

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

23 GHz is very high. I suspect it's a misprint as 2.4 GHz is

very common. 23 would travel very line of sight, and would

not penetrate very far beyond your skin (but might cause tingling

in the skin?)

Grounding is less important at higher frequencies in terms

of reflecting the signal. But grounding can be important for

safety, if the curtain gets pushed into an electrical plug or something.

It's possible for an ungrounded metal object to resonate, so

that's another reason, but to prevent that you need a low inductance

path to ground, so no long wires (use a strap about 8 times longer

than it is wide).

Fabrics and screens have to be very fine to get up to that

high frequency, but foils will work fine, often all the way up to

visible light.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:50 PM, hspmn <brudedj@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm new to this forum. My name is Debbi and I live in a townhouse in a

> suburb of Minneapolis, MN. I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell

> antennas and at least 5 microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are

> pulsing at 23 GHz. This number really surprised me when I looked it up on

> antennasearch.com It seems very high.

>

> My symptoms of electrosensitivity are burning and tingling, and I am

> retired so I'm at home most of the time. I'm looking to shield myself either

> by using shielding fabric as sheets or curtains, and am wondering if anyone

> having experience or knowledge about this would share information with me.

>

> ArgenMesh fabric from lessemf.com protects to 40Ghz. Its conductivity is

> <0.5 Ohm per square. Would anyone on this forum

> know if I were to use this fabric for sheets without grounding it, would

> there be any problem for me as an electrosensitive?

>

> One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute

> said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets they

> sell.

>

> Also, would someone please explain how the Ohm measurement related to the

> need for grounding.

>

> Also, I have metal mini-blinds on my windows near where I'm sleeping. They

> seem to block the rf from nearby neighbors' wifi when they are closed. (I've

> tested this with my Palm Pilot. I don't use wifi in my home.) I don't know

> if the metal blinds are protecting or harming me, since some say metal

> reflects RF. I don't have any RF devices in my sleeping area.

>

> Any experience, advice or help you can give would be greatly appreciated...

>

> Best regards,

> Debbi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for responding. I wish it were a misprint, but it's not...

here's the data from antennasearch.com for the Clearwire antennas near

my home:

EmmitterClassFreq(Num)Freq(Mhz)Power(Output)Power(Radiated)1FXO111,055.N\

ANA2FXO123,125.NANA

223,275.NANA3FXO123,075.NANA

223,225.NANA4FXO119,375.NANA

It's good to know grounding is not important at higher frequencies.

Which leads me to wonder is grounding important for the lower cell phone

antenna frequencies ?

I've decided to experiment with turning off my circuits in the sleeping

area at night. If no electrical fields are being generated, would that

eliminate my need for a ground?

Best regards,

Debbi

>

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm new to this forum. My name is Debbi and I live in a townhouse in

a

> > suburb of Minneapolis, MN. I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40

plus cell

> > antennas and at least 5 microwave antennas, new in August, some of

which are

> > pulsing at 23 GHz. This number really surprised me when I looked it

up on

> > antennasearch.com It seems very high.

> >

> > My symptoms of electrosensitivity are burning and tingling, and I am

> > retired so I'm at home most of the time. I'm looking to shield

myself either

> > by using shielding fabric as sheets or curtains, and am wondering if

anyone

> > having experience or knowledge about this would share information

with me.

> >

> > ArgenMesh fabric from lessemf.com protects to 40Ghz. Its

conductivity is

> > <0.5 Ohm per square. Would anyone on this forum

> > know if I were to use this fabric for sheets without grounding it,

would

> > there be any problem for me as an electrosensitive?

> >

> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing

Institute

> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded

sheets they

> > sell.

> >

> > Also, would someone please explain how the Ohm measurement related

to the

> > need for grounding.

> >

> > Also, I have metal mini-blinds on my windows near where I'm

sleeping. They

> > seem to block the rf from nearby neighbors' wifi when they are

closed. (I've

> > tested this with my Palm Pilot. I don't use wifi in my home.) I

don't know

> > if the metal blinds are protecting or harming me, since some say

metal

> > reflects RF. I don't have any RF devices in my sleeping area.

> >

> > Any experience, advice or help you can give would be greatly

appreciated...

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Debbi

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Emil, that's very helpful.

I suppose the other reason why grounding has been advised is related to

reduction of static electricity? But I suppose the other solution is to use

natural fabrics like cotton instead of synthetic fabrics.

>

> Walking on the Earth is generally NOT the same as grounding/earthing

> indoors. The reason is simple: Outdoors there are no sources of strong

> electric field (aka high voltage). Indoors there will be voltage present, in

> all the wires and appliances (assuming they are not turned off at the

> breaker).

>

> Remember, as I have said over and over, electric field is voltage (V)

> divided by distance (m) or V/m. When you introduce a ground near a voltage,

> you have decreased m between the voltage a ground. This increases the

> electric field in that space.

>

> There are several ways around this.

> 1- before doing grounding, check with an electric field meter. Locate

> sources of voltage relative to the position of the ground. Put the ground

> BETWEEN yourself and the voltage.

>

> 2- if you are between 2 (or more) voltages, you may need 2 (or more)grounds.

> In a bed setting, that means putting your self BETWEEN 2 grounding sheets.

>

> Emil

>

[Guest guest]

According to Wikipedia, looks like WiMAX is typically lower in frequency (e.g.,

2.3 GHz), but the original standard specified up to 66 GHz, so theoretically 23

GHz Wimax is a possibility:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX:

" There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum

has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in

an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost. "

" The original version of the standard on which WiMAX is based (IEEE 802.16)

specified a physical layer operating in the 10 to 66 GHz range. 802.16a, updated

in 2004 to 802.16-2004, added specifications for the 2 to 11 GHz range. "

>

> 23 GHz is very high. I suspect it's a misprint as 2.4 GHz is

> very common. 23 would travel very line of sight, and would

> not penetrate very far beyond your skin (but might cause tingling

> in the skin?)

>

> Grounding is less important at higher frequencies in terms

> of reflecting the signal. But grounding can be important for

> safety, if the curtain gets pushed into an electrical plug or something.

> It's possible for an ungrounded metal object to resonate, so

> that's another reason, but to prevent that you need a low inductance

> path to ground, so no long wires (use a strap about 8 times longer

> than it is wide).

>

> Fabrics and screens have to be very fine to get up to that

> high frequency, but foils will work fine, often all the way up to

> visible light.

>

[Guest guest]

--- At 06:47 PM 24, 24 01 2011, emraware wrote:

>

>According to Wikipedia, looks like WiMAX is typically lower in frequency (e.g.,

2.3 GHz), but the original standard specified up to 66 GHz, so theoretically 23

GHz Wimax is a possibility:

>

> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX:

> " There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX

Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5

GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost. "

>

> " The original version of the standard on which WiMAX is based (IEEE 802.16)

specified a physical layer operating in the 10 to 66 GHz range. 802.16a, updated

in 2004 to 802.16-2004, added specifications for the 2 to 11 GHz range. "

Hi,

My first time posting here.

Apparently 23 GHz is a standard for telecommunications network " backhaul " ,

that is used to link base stations to the " core network " .

Backhaul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhaul_%28telecommunications%29

.......... http://www.telecomengine.com/International/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_2351

Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart... 2.5 - 80 GHz

http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart

Point-to-Point Wireless and Backhaul - a PDF Brochure:

<http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Products/Wireless%20Networks/Wireless%20Br\

oadband%20Networks/Point-to-Point/_Documents/staticfiles/BRO_PTP_Portfolio%20Ove\

rview.pdf?localeId=33>

Google: - 23 Ghz microwave backhaul

http://www.google.com/search?q=23+Ghz+microwave+backhaul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbi,

23 GHz is very high, and would not be used for WiMax to consumers

_inside_ the home. Those frequencies are only used for point to point

between towers, and direct line of sight from satellite dishes up to

satellites.

Tall hilltops are frequently populated with little round microwave

dishes pointed at the next hilltop miles away.

The Upload frequency for Wildblue internet is 29.5 - 30.0 GHz for

example, and Downlink is 19.7 - 20.2 GHz. Those dishes are all too

common in rural areas with no DSL or fiber options for consumers.

1200 ft sounds too close to shield sufficiently. It depends on how

sensitive you are though.

hspmn wrote:

> I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and at least 5

microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23 GHz. This

number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com It seems

very high.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A few weeks ago, a new satellite was launched.

Its intended use is for internet via satellite.

K Band: 18-26,5 GHz.

Ka Band goes from 26,5-40 GHz.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Shielding for 23 Ghz Wimax? Need help, please.

Hi Debbi,

23 GHz is very high, and would not be used for WiMax to consumers

_inside_ the home. Those frequencies are only used for point to point

between towers, and direct line of sight from satellite dishes up to

satellites.

Tall hilltops are frequently populated with little round microwave

dishes pointed at the next hilltop miles away.

The Upload frequency for Wildblue internet is 29.5 - 30.0 GHz for

example, and Downlink is 19.7 - 20.2 GHz. Those dishes are all too

common in rural areas with no DSL or fiber options for consumers.

1200 ft sounds too close to shield sufficiently. It depends on how

sensitive you are though.

hspmn wrote:

> I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and at least 5

microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23 GHz. This

number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com It seems

very high.

>

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

1000m would be best and even then make sure you are not in line of site or

lobe spread

puk

In a message dated 25/01/2011 16:57:12 GMT Standard Time,

charles@... writes:

hspmn wrote:

> I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and at least 5

microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23 GHz.

This number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com It

seems very high.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

Appreciated your followup comment on E-Sens- interesting that you don't

have

direct contact with the grounding sheet, and use a cotton sheet between

you and it.

Curious whether this was an intuitive decision, or if you had a

reference or advice about doing it this way. Or, did you mean it

didn't feel good

to touch it directly. Also curious about whether or not you have

measured your body voltage while using your system - before & after, or

any

other combination... with or without sheet between...

I'm in a beginner mode here, trying to make some good decisions about

protecting myself without harming myself - thankful for any info you may

provide.

Best regards,

Debbi

>

> > Thanks, Marc for welcoming me to the group. I went through my email

in

> > box and found Zucker's email about Earthing Institute's

grounded

> > sheets. (See below)

>

> Thanks Debbi. Interesting.

>

> I personally did not like making direct contact with the Earthing

ground

> sheet, so I just have it at the foot of my bed, with a cotton sheet

between

> me and the grounding sheet. I think this works better for me, and

perhaps

> the sheet is diverting some local EMF to ground rather than *me* being

> the path to ground (via the sheet).

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> Appreciated your followup comment on E-Sens- interesting that you

> don't have direct contact with the grounding sheet, and use a cotton

> sheet between you and it. Curious whether this was an intuitive

> decision, or if you had a reference or advice about doing it this

> way.

No reference... this is just something I tried, because I found myself

feeling " electrified " (agitated) when I made direct contact with the

grounding sheet.

Mostly what I was doing what trying to put the grounding sheet between

me and the space heater in the bedroom, in the hopes that some of

the EMF from the space heater would get " diverted " by the grounding

sheet. And I think this might be why I feel better with it at the

foot of the bed, on top of the sheet.

> Also curious about whether or not you have measured your body voltage

> while using your system - before & after, or any other combination...

> with or without sheet between...

No, I don't even have anything to measure that...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for the info re: the high frequency distribution. Why do you say 1200 ft

sounds too close to shield sufficiently? Do you have a reference for this?

Thanks, Debbi

> > I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and at least 5

microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23 GHz. This

number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com It seems

very high.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Re: the 1000 m (.625 miles) as being the best distance from cell towers, do you

have any references for this number? Also, any references about how the height

of the tower relates to the RF distribution - the Clearwire microwave antennas

are at 145 ft on the water tower, (antennasearch.com)

I own the townhouse - want to leave, but need to find another place that is

safer. Thanks, Debbi

> > I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and at least 5

> microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23 GHz.

> This number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com It

> seems very high.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, for posting these references... the backhaul concept fits, as these

antennas are mounted on a very high water tower....

> >

> >According to Wikipedia, looks like WiMAX is typically lower in frequency

(e.g., 2.3 GHz), but the original standard specified up to 66 GHz, so

theoretically 23 GHz Wimax is a possibility:

> >

> > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX:

> > " There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX

Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5

GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost. "

> >

> > " The original version of the standard on which WiMAX is based (IEEE 802.16)

specified a physical layer operating in the 10 to 66 GHz range. 802.16a, updated

in 2004 to 802.16-2004, added specifications for the 2 to 11 GHz range. "

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My first time posting here.

>

> Apparently 23 GHz is a standard for telecommunications network " backhaul " ,

> that is used to link base stations to the " core network " .

>

> Backhaul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhaul_%28telecommunications%29

> ......... http://www.telecomengine.com/International/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_2351

>

> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart... 2.5 - 80 GHz

> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart

>

> Point-to-Point Wireless and Backhaul - a PDF Brochure:

>

<http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Products/Wireless%20Networks/Wireless%20Br\

oadband%20Networks/Point-to-Point/_Documents/staticfiles/BRO_PTP_Portfolio%20Ove\

rview.pdf?localeId=33>

>

> Google: - 23 Ghz microwave backhaul

> http://www.google.com/search?q=23+Ghz+microwave+backhaul

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbi,

Just from experience, shielding helps, but can not replace getting away

from the " bombardment " of emf.

As I wrote on my ehs page, I need 1000 ft. away from one wifi to feel

much better, 300 ft. from cel phones and 1.5 miles from cel-towers to

not be pained by them, and 1/4 mile away from power lines to not " hear "

the buzzing, which corresponds to electric fields (body voltage on

multimeter) moreso than magnetic field, which has a much shorter distance.

In my story, I have been on the ridge above home, in clear line of sight

with a tower 7 miles away, and it hurts me significantly up there. Also

standing on the southern ridge, I am in line of sight with all the

neighbors satellite dishes in the valley bottom, pointed just over the

hill toward the satellites in orbit, so if anybody is transmitting via

satellite internet, I would also be getting a higher dose of 25-30 GHz.

<sarcasm> makes you really want to go hiking to hilltops to see the

view, eh? </sarcasm>

But travel up the valley floor toward the national forest where there is

no cel-service, and my symptoms go down to near normal in an hour or two.

So when you say you have 40 plus antennas at close range, I despair to

find no easy solutions to share with you to help.

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

hspmn wrote:

> Hi Stuart,

> Thanks for the info re: the high frequency distribution. Why do you say 1200

ft sounds too close to shield sufficiently? Do you have a reference for this?

Thanks, Debbi

>

[Guest guest]

Here's an offline reply by Lizzie ( & subsequent emails) with an interesting

grounding method that she ok'd to post....

Feb 11th, 2011

Hi Debbi,

I am still learning to navigate the site. While I am a great researcher, I'm not

so strong on computers. As for the alternate way to use the bed grounding

system, and in answer to your question, yes, I have used this same method on

both my bed and my daughters for the past year with much success. While I don't

have a voltage meter to check her body's voltage, symptom wise, she is much

better.

Here is what we used. Instead of using a grounding rod in the ground, we got a

ceramic planter, large, like 3-5 gallons. Filled it with good soil, not too

sandy, not too clay, so it drains well. Got a 6 inch piece of copper rod, 1/2

across. And wire with 2 alligator clips on either end. The wire itself should

not be longer then 12 in long...so we have the pots at the ends of our beds, so

as to attach the clip to the bottom of the silver fabric.

We put the copper rod in the middle of the planter, with about an inch sticking

up. Attach one end of the alligator clip to the rod, the other end is attached

to fabric I got from lessemf.com, the hi performance silver fabric. Although

the white naturaelle will work, I used that because its what I had. That fabric

goes under the bottom sheet, enough to cover the bed and tuck in. The planter

must NEVER be allowed to go dry! And it must be watered with eitehr spring water

or artesian well water.

AS for the circuit thing, I think it has to do with my house being so badly

wired! If you have read Dietrich Klinghard on the sleep sanctuary (google him

he states that people will not heal being exposed to radiation, (I don't think

he spec states dirty electric but it applies as well)

so he suggests using a demand switch to turn off the power to sleep areas. But

because my x lied about the ele and wiring being safe...I didn't know that

shutting off the circuits would actually raise the magnetic fields, in this

particular case. We were probably greatly saved by sleeping on non metal beds

and by grounding them the way we did. HOwever, the energy in my house was awful

when I shut down those circuits. *But too, my house also had lots of geopathic

stress, haunted and things like the pool (gone now) the direct tv dish (now

disconnected), and mirros taken down, all helped greatly to reduce both

geopathic stress, and radiation being amplified by the nearby water tower. Some

say electricity is not supposed to back up on the wiring, but when I shut off

the circuits, that's what it felt like....I still cannot shut them down...so I

am just going to totally disconnect the electrical from both the bedroom and the

room under it, and use battery operated lights. I will post all of this as soon

as I can...

Feel free, if you know how, to add this info to the site.

Lizzie

From: " brudedj@

lizziethode

Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 12:09:28 PM

Subject: Re: Shielding for 23 Ghz Wimax? Need help, please.

Hi Lizzie,

Welcome to the ESens forum. I, too, am new to the group.

Thanks for responding to my post. I like the idea of an alternative to

grounding via outlet and outside ground for reasons you mentioned. Just

curious, does your friend in Ireland have ES? Have you, as an ES, tried his

idea yourself? (I'm still wondering if I'm too sensitive to use grounded

sheets.)

Also, my townhouse was built in 1994. I'm curious if you have a reference for

your caution that turning off circuits might lead to higher EMF. I turn off

two circuits in my lower level (not all the circuits - still leave furnace,

laundry on) and I've tested with a Trifield meter. With the two circuits off,

I do not get a higher EMF field. Also, with the two circuits off, the electric

field around the light switches, outlets and ceiling fan/lights is 0.0 mV or

close to that. This is a great reduction from when the circuits are on. I'm

interested in hearing more from you about this, in case I'm missing something.

I've been electrosensitive for about a year. I live in the city and I would

like to move to a rural area. Actually my home town, a hamlet in North Dakota

has no cell antennas in town, and I'm thinking of spending time there this

summer to get some relief.

Best regards,

Debbi

PS. You may have had a reason for emailing me privately... I think your post

is excellent - it would be nice to see it on the ESens message board. :>)

Re: Shielding for 23 Ghz Wimax? Need help, please.

Hi Everyone,

My name is Lizzie, and I am new to this site, but not new to ES (unfortunately)

and I wanted to offer a suggestion to bed grounding situation. A healer friend

in Ireland told me that he uses the Hi performance silver fabric, like lessemf

sells, puts it in betwe the sheets, and instead of using an outdoor groundng rod

or an outlet, he uses a large ceramic planter, filled with good soil (Ie: not

too sandy, not too much clay, must drain well) and places a 6 inch copper ground

rod, 1/2 in dia in center of soil, with an inch of copper sticking up. Then he

attaches the wire with the alligator clips, one end to the silver fabric, the

other end to the rod in the planter. He says " never let the soil go dry> " and

also, to use either Spring water or artesian well water to water the soil.

Apparently he has had great success with this method, as it eliminates using

outlets which may not be grounded, and also eliminates using outside ground, as

stray voltage may be present in that area.

Also, as to shutting down the power to the room, or installing demand switch, or

turning off circuits, one need be cautious here. In older houses where the

wiring is not grounded/ or wiring errors (common), shutting off one circuit, for

example, can cause higher magnetic fields, as current or neutral can back up on

the house wiring.

Lizzie

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm new to this forum. My name is Debbi and I live in a townhouse in a suburb

of Minneapolis, MN. I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas

and at least 5 microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at

23 GHz. This number really surprised me when I looked it up on

antennasearch.com It seems very high.

>

> My symptoms of electrosensitivity are burning and tingling, and I am retired

so I'm at home most of the time. I'm looking to shield myself either by using

shielding fabric as sheets or curtains, and am wondering if anyone having

experience or knowledge about this would share information with me.

>

> ArgenMesh fabric from lessemf.com protects to 40Ghz. Its conductivity is <0.5

Ohm per square. Would anyone on this forum

> know if I were to use this fabric for sheets without grounding it, would there

be any problem for me as an electrosensitive?

>

> One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute said

if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets they sell.

>

> Also, would someone please explain how the Ohm measurement related to the need

for grounding.

>

> Also, I have metal mini-blinds on my windows near where I'm sleeping. They

seem to block the rf from nearby neighbors' wifi when they are closed. (I've

tested this with my Palm Pilot. I don't use wifi in my home.) I don't know if

the metal blinds are protecting or harming me, since some say metal reflects RF.

I don't have any RF devices in my sleeping area.

>

> Any experience, advice or help you can give would be greatly appreciated...

>

> Best regards,

> Debbi

>