Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Wallet depletion. May not be completely effective. I don't know if it raises the glycemic index and load of legumes...... >From: " martyg05 " <martyg-01@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Beano ? >Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 02:14:53 -0000 > >Does anyone know if taking the product " Beano " which reduces internal >gas production when eating beans, cabbage, etc. has any negative >effects? > >I figure if anyone knows, it would be this crowd. So full of ... > >knowledge. (heh heh) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Waste of time. Bacteria generate gas from excess food. Eat less. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: martyg05 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: [ ] Beano ? Does anyone know if taking the product "Beano" which reduces internal gas production when eating beans, cabbage, etc. has any negative effects?I figure if anyone knows, it would be this crowd. So full of ... knowledge. (heh heh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 May be waste of time, but it ain't excess food in general that creates gas, at least not in my experience. I can eat loads of protein and fat without gas- it's those plant carbs and fibers that give me the wind! >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:59:26 -0500 > >Waste of time. >Bacteria generate gas from excess food. >Eat less. >Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: martyg05 > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:14 PM > Subject: [ ] Beano ? > > > Does anyone know if taking the product " Beano " which reduces internal > gas production when eating beans, cabbage, etc. has any negative > effects? > > I figure if anyone knows, it would be this crowd. So full of ... > > knowledge. (heh heh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 The nutrition book says excess protein makes smelly gas, excess carbs make CO2 gas. Since I don't make a lot of gas anymore, Beano wouldn't help anyway, but I question anyone's diet that suggests the need for a gas suppressive. I can see where undigested fiber might cause some gas, but that implies we could also absorb some of the byproducts of bacterial oxidation? (another one of those things left out of the standard nutrition equation.) Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? May be waste of time, but it ain't excess food in general that creates gas, at least not in my experience. I can eat loads of protein and fat without gas- it's those plant carbs and fibers that give me the wind!>From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ?>Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:59:26 -0500>>Waste of time.>Bacteria generate gas from excess food.>Eat less.>Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 As I stated, my post regards my own, personal experience. When I switched to the Atkins style diet for a time, I sometimes ate much more in terms of calories than I ever did on my prior and subsequent lower fat, lower protein, and higher plant fiber and very low calorie diets (comparitively). Yet I had virtually no gas on the low carb diet, even with caloric " excess. " Beano, which I've recently tried, appears to reduce much of the discomfort that accompanied intestinal gas for me, but the gas itself remains! >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:54:07 -0500 > >The nutrition book says excess protein makes smelly gas, excess carbs make >CO2 gas. Since I don't make a lot of gas anymore, Beano wouldn't help >anyway, but I question anyone's diet that suggests the need for a gas >suppressive. >I can see where undigested fiber might cause some gas, but that implies we >could also absorb some of the byproducts of bacterial oxidation? (another >one of those things left out of the standard nutrition equation.) > >Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? > > > May be waste of time, but it ain't excess food in general that creates >gas, > at least not in my experience. I can eat loads of protein and fat >without > gas- it's those plant carbs and fibers that give me the wind! > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? > >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:59:26 -0500 > > > >Waste of time. > >Bacteria generate gas from excess food. > >Eat less. > >Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes gas and how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are several "holes" in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't digest and absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we absorb all of it. Recalling a book: "The wreck of the Dumaru", by lowell thomas, He interviewed those few who survived a trip across the Pacific for a long period with no food and very little water. The survivors said they quit urinating and defecating at once. Arriving at the hospital, it was several weeks before they again defecated and then it started in the form of little black balls. From that info, I infer that the food was completely absorbed in the stage of recovery. They would not have had gas. Now I'm not suggesting that we eat so little that we excrete just little black balls, but I am saying that there are nutrients there we excrete because we eat too much. Food animals are overfed and excrete a substantial amount of protein - enough even to recycle into feed for other animals (turkey litter for cattle, eg). Alan Pater says he defecates just fine, even though we are sure he is anorexic. Apparently his body is not absorbing what little food he is eating. Perhaps his body is "shutting down". Maybe he needs digested foods such as Ensure. Maybe he body needs to excrete excess protein to keep a biological pathway sensing we're still alive. In any case, I sense I don't want to have zero gas. But I'd still like to eat the least calories to maintain my present body weight. I need some measure HOW to do that. I eat 1800 only because I arrived at that figure over time, reducing to within a reasonable range of insurance table weights. There is still the question also of how much weight to lose and at what rate to lose. I'm a very cautious person - moderate if you will - but very cautious especially dealing with something we know so LITTLE about. BTW, the discussion of analyzing animal feces was done years ago. I read it in an animal husbandry book dated 1940. You can tell the health of an animal by the look of the "splat" (too much protein) or the "haystack" (too much fiber). It occurs to me we could do some science on that, for humans, as well (seriously). If you're eating excess protein, you're body will develop indole and skatole by bacterial oxidation. I'm not sure but I think those I'd prefer not to have in my gut. Does beano prevent that conversion? Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? As I stated, my post regards my own, personal experience. When I switched to the Atkins style diet for a time, I sometimes ate much more in terms of calories than I ever did on my prior and subsequent lower fat, lower protein, and higher plant fiber and very low calorie diets (comparitively). Yet I had virtually no gas on the low carb diet, even with caloric "excess."Beano, which I've recently tried, appears to reduce much of the discomfort that accompanied intestinal gas for me, but the gas itself remains!>From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ?>Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 19:54:07 -0500>>The nutrition book says excess protein makes smelly gas, excess carbs make >CO2 gas. Since I don't make a lot of gas anymore, Beano wouldn't help >anyway, but I question anyone's diet that suggests the need for a gas >suppressive.>I can see where undigested fiber might cause some gas, but that implies we >could also absorb some of the byproducts of bacterial oxidation? (another >one of those things left out of the standard nutrition equation.)>>Regards.>> ----- Original Message -----> From: Dowling> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:27 PM> Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ?>>> May be waste of time, but it ain't excess food in general that creates >gas,> at least not in my experience. I can eat loads of protein and fat >without> gas- it's those plant carbs and fibers that give me the wind!>>> >From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>> >Reply- > >< >> >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ?> >Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:59:26 -0500> >> >Waste of time.> >Bacteria generate gas from excess food.> >Eat less.> >Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 My understanding is that Beano contains enzymes that break down carbohydrates our body couldn't or didn't. On the premise of calories, calories, calories. It seems helping us breakdown these previously indigestible carbs will make them more bio-available and so increase our capture of those calories. In the grand scheme of things its probably minor. If beano improves your quality of life and allows you to eat more healthy foods it sounds like a good thing. If your counting every last calorie with a very sharp pencil, I'm not sure if this adds or reduces errors to that endeavor. It does sound a little like "fooling mother nature" but that isn't always bad. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes gas and how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are several "holes" in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't digest and absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we absorb all of it. Now I'm not suggesting that we eat so little that we excrete just little black balls, but I am saying that there are nutrients there we excrete because we eat too much. Food animals are overfed and excrete a substantial amount of protein - enough even to recycle into feed for other animals (turkey litter for cattle, eg). But I'd still like to eat the least calories to maintain my present body weight. I need some measure HOW to do that. I eat 1800 only because I arrived at that figure over time, reducing to within a reasonable range of insurance table weights. There is still the question also of how much weight to lose and at what rate to lose. I'm a very cautious person - moderate if you will - but very cautious especially dealing with something we know so LITTLE about. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling ________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Internet Pathway's Email Gateway scanning system for potentially harmful content, such as viruses or spam. Nothing out of the ordinary was detected in this email. For more information, call 601-776-3355 or email support@... ________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? >Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:18:59 -0500 > >I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes gas and >how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are several > " holes " in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't digest and >absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we absorb all of >it. Obviously, the idea that we absorb everything is patently false. Fiber is not digested and passes through us, for example. Some carbohydrates and sugars are also not digested by the human GI tract. Some of these become food for gas producing bacteria. The Beano website discusses gas formation in the GI tract: " How can Food Cause gas? The body does not digest and absorb some carbohydrates (sugar, starches and fiber) in the small intestine because of a shortage or absence of certain enzymes. Undigested food passes from the small intestine into the large intestine, where normal, harmless bacteria break down the food, producing hydrogen, carbon dioxide and in about one-third of all people, methane. However, foods that produce gas in one person may not cause gas in another. Some common bacteria in the large intestine can destroy the hydrogen that other bacteria produce. The balance of the two types of bacteria may explain why some people have more gas than other. Foods that may cause gas include: Beans Vegetables with large amounts of complex sugars, such as cabbage, broccoli, onions, sprouts and asparagus Whole grains, such as whole wheat and bran Select lactose products, such as milk, cheese Processed foods such as cereal and bread products, including bagels Most starches, including potatoes, corn, noodles and wheat Soluble fiber found in oat bran, beans, peas and most fruits " I don't think Beano has any effect upon protein degradation- it's action is upon the fibers and sugars found in plant foods: " Beano breaks down large sugars found in gassy foods into smaller, easily digestible sugars before they reach the colon, thereby preventing gas before it even starts " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 It would appear than any breakdown, beano or not, would release (make available) the excess calories. But the bacteria are already there to do that. I'm not sure it's minor, since I'm sure I need to manage diet to less than 100 kcals. So gas formed from cellulose, I guess, is inevitable, but Beano never helped me when I ate too much. Reducing calorie intake did. What I'm saying is that needing Beano suggests too many calories ingested. Not sure if those wasted calories contribute to aging, though. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: john roberts Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Beano ? My understanding is that Beano contains enzymes that break down carbohydrates our body couldn't or didn't. On the premise of calories, calories, calories. It seems helping us breakdown these previously indigestible carbs will make them more bio-available and so increase our capture of those calories. In the grand scheme of things its probably minor. If beano improves your quality of life and allows you to eat more healthy foods it sounds like a good thing. If your counting every last calorie with a very sharp pencil, I'm not sure if this adds or reduces errors to that endeavor. It does sound a little like "fooling mother nature" but that isn't always bad. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes gas and how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are several "holes" in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't digest and absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we absorb all of it. Now I'm not suggesting that we eat so little that we excrete just little black balls, but I am saying that there are nutrients there we excrete because we eat too much. Food animals are overfed and excrete a substantial amount of protein - enough even to recycle into feed for other animals (turkey litter for cattle, eg). But I'd still like to eat the least calories to maintain my present body weight. I need some measure HOW to do that. I eat 1800 only because I arrived at that figure over time, reducing to within a reasonable range of insurance table weights. There is still the question also of how much weight to lose and at what rate to lose. I'm a very cautious person - moderate if you will - but very cautious especially dealing with something we know so LITTLE about. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Thanks, , That means that the calories are made available. Those calories (and gas) I could avoid by not eating them. In fact using beano introduces a new complication to the diets management if I used it. By explicitly ignoring the protein discussion, they tell me it doesn't work on the smelly gas of protein degradation, which is what I had when I thought I needed the "RDA" of protein. That's why the beano didn't work for me. Now I eat what some think is too low, 56gms, but it keeps the gas away. I'd probably need it if I tried to eat a pound of greens, a pound of green veggies, etc...... Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? >From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ?>Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:18:59 -0500>>I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes gas and >how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are several >"holes" in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't digest and >absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we absorb all of >it.Obviously, the idea that we absorb everything is patently false. Fiber is not digested and passes through us, for example. Some carbohydrates and sugars are also not digested by the human GI tract. Some of these become food for gas producing bacteria.The Beano website discusses gas formation in the GI tract:"How can Food Cause gas?The body does not digest and absorb some carbohydrates (sugar, starches and fiber) in the small intestine because of a shortage or absence of certain enzymes. Undigested food passes from the small intestine into the large intestine, where normal, harmless bacteria break down the food, producing hydrogen, carbon dioxide and in about one-third of all people, methane. However, foods that produce gas in one person may not cause gas in another. Some common bacteria in the large intestine can destroy the hydrogen that other bacteria produce. The balance of the two types of bacteria may explain why some people have more gas than other. Foods that may cause gas include:BeansVegetables with large amounts of complex sugars, such as cabbage, broccoli, onions, sprouts and asparagusWhole grains, such as whole wheat and branSelect lactose products, such as milk, cheeseProcessed foods such as cereal and bread products, including bagelsMost starches, including potatoes, corn, noodles and wheatSoluble fiber found in oat bran, beans, peas and most fruits "I don't think Beano has any effect upon protein degradation- it's action is upon the fibers and sugars found in plant foods:"Beano breaks down large sugars found in gassy foods into smaller, easily digestible sugars before they reach the colon, thereby preventing gas before it even starts " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 I have lost weight while simultaneously generating intestinal gas. I attribute gas formation to the "type of", or perhaps amount of type of foods (high fiber veggies). I consider gas formation an unreliable marker for energy balance. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? It would appear than any breakdown, beano or not, would release (make available) the excess calories. But the bacteria are already there to do that. I'm not sure it's minor, since I'm sure I need to manage diet to less than 100 kcals. So gas formed from cellulose, I guess, is inevitable, but Beano never helped me when I ate too much. Reducing calorie intake did. What I'm saying is that needing Beano suggests too many calories ingested. Not sure if those wasted calories contribute to aging, though. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: john roberts Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Beano ? My understanding is that Beano contains enzymes that break down carbohydrates our body couldn't or didn't. On the premise of calories, calories, calories. It seems helping us breakdown these previously indigestible carbs will make them more bio-available and so increase our capture of those calories. In the grand scheme of things its probably minor. If beano improves your quality of life and allows you to eat more healthy foods it sounds like a good thing. If your counting every last calorie with a very sharp pencil, I'm not sure if this adds or reduces errors to that endeavor. It does sound a little like "fooling mother nature" but that isn't always bad. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes gas and how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are several "holes" in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't digest and absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we absorb all of it. Now I'm not suggesting that we eat so little that we excrete just little black balls, but I am saying that there are nutrients there we excrete because we eat too much. Food animals are overfed and excrete a substantial amount of protein - enough even to recycle into feed for other animals (turkey litter for cattle, eg). But I'd still like to eat the least calories to maintain my present body weight. I need some measure HOW to do that. I eat 1800 only because I arrived at that figure over time, reducing to within a reasonable range of insurance table weights. There is still the question also of how much weight to lose and at what rate to lose. I'm a very cautious person - moderate if you will - but very cautious especially dealing with something we know so LITTLE about. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling ________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Internet Pathway's Email Gateway scanning system for potentially harmful content, such as viruses or spam. Nothing out of the ordinary was detected in this email. For more information, call 601-776-3355 or email support@... ________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Whatever works for ya, I suppose. For me, it's not the calories, per se, that cause the gas, but the type of calories ingested. >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? >Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:58:22 -0500 > >It would appear than any breakdown, beano or not, would release (make >available) the excess calories. But the bacteria are already there to do >that. I'm not sure it's minor, since I'm sure I need to manage diet to less >than 100 kcals. So gas formed from cellulose, I guess, is inevitable, but >Beano never helped me when I ate too much. Reducing calorie intake did. >What I'm saying is that needing Beano suggests too many calories ingested. >Not sure if those wasted calories contribute to aging, though. > >Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john roberts > > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:45 AM > Subject: RE: [ ] Beano ? > > > My understanding is that Beano contains enzymes that break down >carbohydrates our body couldn't or didn't. On the premise of calories, >calories, calories. It seems helping us breakdown these previously >indigestible carbs will make them more bio-available and so increase our >capture of those calories. > > In the grand scheme of things its probably minor. If beano improves your >quality of life and allows you to eat more healthy foods it sounds like a >good thing. If your counting every last calorie with a very sharp pencil, >I'm not sure if this adds or reduces errors to that endeavor. > > It does sound a little like " fooling mother nature " but that isn't >always bad. > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...] > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? > > > I understand what you are saying, but the discussion of what causes >gas and how it relates to excess nutrient intake is still there. There are >several " holes " in nutrition philosophy and one big one is that we don't >digest and absorb everything we eat. Nutritionology always assumes we >absorb all of it. > > Now I'm not suggesting that we eat so little that we excrete just >little black balls, but I am saying that there are nutrients there we >excrete because we eat too much. Food animals are overfed and excrete a >substantial amount of protein - enough even to recycle into feed for other >animals (turkey litter for cattle, eg). > > > But I'd still like to eat the least calories to maintain my present >body weight. I need some measure HOW to do that. I eat 1800 only because I >arrived at that figure over time, reducing to within a reasonable range of >insurance table weights. There is still the question also of how much >weight to lose and at what rate to lose. I'm a very cautious person - >moderate if you will - but very cautious especially dealing with something >we know so LITTLE about. > > Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 I think you're right. ----- Original Message ----- From: john roberts Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 7:16 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Beano ? I have lost weight while simultaneously generating intestinal gas. I attribute gas formation to the "type of", or perhaps amount of type of foods (high fiber veggies). I consider gas formation an unreliable marker for energy balance. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? It would appear than any breakdown, beano or not, would release (make available) the excess calories. But the bacteria are already there to do that. I'm not sure it's minor, since I'm sure I need to manage diet to less than 100 kcals. So gas formed from cellulose, I guess, is inevitable, but Beano never helped me when I ate too much. Reducing calorie intake did. What I'm saying is that needing Beano suggests too many calories ingested. Not sure if those wasted calories contribute to aging, though. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 > Whatever works for ya, I suppose. For me, it's not the calories, per se, > that cause the gas, but the type of calories ingested. A little OT, but here is the link automatically suggested by Gmail, next to your message : " Food that cause flatulence " http://www.nexiumresearch.com/food_that_cause_flatulence.html Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Looks like the list includes pretty darn near everything! >From: Alain Ravet <alain.ravet@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [ ] Beano ? >Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:24:09 +0200 > > >A little OT, but here is the link automatically suggested by Gmail, >next to your message : > " Food that cause flatulence " > http://www.nexiumresearch.com/food_that_cause_flatulence.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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