Re: Re: Spindler's Mice - More Details

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In a message dated 4/19/2004 3:37:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, perspect1111@... writes:

Between months 21 and 31 (the human-equivalent ages of 70 and 103

For sure I am going to become one of those mice. Peg

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On 19 Apr 2004, Peg wrote:

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> For sure I am going to become one of those (CR) mice. Peg

>

Here's some wisdom to make CR a little easier:

Pudding is taken very seriously by some of us who eat 2 or 3

cups daily before any meal. The guar, cellulose, carob, and

cocoa greatly diminish hunger, and have almost no calories.

These puddings are rich in both soluble and insoluble fiber,

very high in anti-oxidants, and best of all, they fill the

belly full prior to eating -- important for us all, since an

early pre-meal bellyful greatly diminishes meal size and takes

the edge off hunger. It works fantastic.

By eating the pudding half an hour before meals, it becomes

almost impossible to overeat at mealtime, since you just

aren't hungry any more when your stomach is full.

Always, always eat a zero calorie or lowest calorie snack

prior to meals, and CR will be very easy for you. It prevents

overeating; it prevents bingeing; and it halts gluttony in

its tracks. Plus the puddings are scrumptious and can be

cram-packed with anti-oxidants and nutrients if you use

flavors and spices like non-fat cocoa powder, ground cinnamon,

ginger, nutmeg, anise, lemon oil, peppermint, all-spice, etc --

and I use and recommend them all.

A favorite new pudding is pumpkin (pure from a can), which

tastes just delicious, has as few calories as chocolate, and

has a wonderful taste just like pumpkin pie! I even mix up

my own pumpkin spice (A blend of cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg,

and all-spice; recipe available on Internet).

When I make pumpkin pudding, I mix up 12 cups at one time,

and it lasts about 4 days.

It is crazy that some people think pudding is important.

However, major weight loss clinics all across the country

use guar-base puddings as a primary component of their

weight-loss programs, and then provide these puddings

for their patients after their clinical training is

completed. This is how I discovered CR diet puddings,

from an individual in a private email message who mentioned

them to me as an appetite suppressant that really works.

The diet product Satietrol (which I have also used, and

which I supply to CRFolks mail-order at a discount with

free shipping and no tax) uses a very similar method

of attack to reduce calorie intake. Satietrol is proven

to work in documented clinical diet trials, just the

same way that clinical guar-base puddings work.

But Satietrol is much easier to use (ready-mix envelope),

takes no effort at all, is tasty (esp the chocolate),

and very effective besides.

-- Warren

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You haven't yet got to the question: If we believe the mice studies and the studies are applicable to humans, why don't we eat what the mice ate?

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:37 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Spindler's Mice - More Details

Hi folks:I am going to run out of new snippets of information pretty soon. But here is one more: Between months 21 and 31 (the human-equivalent ages of 70 and 103), the CR mice saw 75% fewer cancer deaths than the control mice.Rodney.

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'Cause we ain't mice!

>From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

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>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Spindler's Mice - More Details

>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:03:18 -0500

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>You haven't yet got to the question: If we believe the mice studies and the

>studies are applicable to humans, why don't we eat what the mice ate?

>

>Regards.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rodney

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> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:37 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Spindler's Mice - More Details

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> Hi folks:

>

> I am going to run out of new snippets of information pretty soon.

> But here is one more:

>

> Between months 21 and 31 (the human-equivalent ages of 70 and 103),

> the CR mice saw 75% fewer cancer deaths than the control mice.

>

> Rodney.

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Joking aside (and a little levity never hurts), we humans have variables and

complex lives that lab mice don't have. For example: stress. My mother who

died at the age of 98 probably would have lived to be over 100 if my brother

hadn't predeceased her. She was never the same after that (although she

lived another 3 years). During his illness and after his death she often

remarked: " I wish I was senile so I wouldn't have to be aware of what

happened........ "

Mice don't have those kinds of woes (AFA we know anyway).

on 4/21/2004 12:00 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi JW:

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> Funny you should say that. I have been wondering how it tastes!

>

> Rodney.

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>> You haven't yet got to the question: If we believe the mice studies

> and the studies are applicable to humans, why don't we eat what the

> mice ate?

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Well, it can't be that bad, because my 2yo gson will grab the dog's biscuit if you're not watching and he seems to not hate them. Anyway, it has always pointed out to me that we are not exactly the same as mice and we can't draw too many conclusions about life extension until human studies are done. Parameters will improve on any diet where you drop weight on obese individuals, and I don't see that as confirming the mice studies.

Neither do I see a correlation to the dome experiment. Those people, merely found out what it's like to be poor and have to grow your own food after being subjected to the "secure: environment where someone else had to do the real work. It's not easy to dig a garden and raise your own food. It's VERY labor intensive - impossible without machinery or draft animals or cheap import labor.

If you try to raise food in a good soil, without watering, without "chemical" fertilizers, you will find you don't want to spend your labor on raising lettuce - the same work with no energy output. You must raise grains, else you will use up all your resources on nothing. You can use animals to eat the grass, weeds, bugs, and produce eggs, milk, meat. And that's what people did before 1900, until the land got to poor to farm or graze.

So it's easy for me to see how Americans raised the lifespan using farm machinery and fertilizer in the last hundred years. But since about 1959, something else happened. Cake mixes came about. Imagine packaging a # of flour in a box and calling it "cake mix" and selling it for 4 times the price. Stupid, right? Well Americans will buy water for 1$ per bottle. They will buy anything because they don't have to work for it.

This morning my water was out and I needed to flush. Imagine what it would be like without water for a week. I live lakefront so I just carried 5 gall up about 100 ft to flush with. Then I carried 5 gal to the 88yo across the street to flush with. That's a fair amount of work for a 68yo. Not hard but it's labor intensive. We drink distilled water, but imagine carrying all your water from the grocery at 0.50$ per gall. A typical American uses 150 gal per day per person. That's 75$ ,plus the vehicle cost, plus the labor.

My point is that we are so industrialized that the labor required to do simply tasks escapes us. We resort to jogging to get exercise and we scorn grains. But if you had to carry water, 150 gal per day, water that provides no energy, your life wouldn't be so long. And that's what the dome folks really found out. It has nothing to do with life extension. If they had stayed in that dome for a few more years they'd all be dead.

As Dr Dowling says: "'Cause we ain't mice!"

I'm going to put in my own well. I hate not being able to take a shower first thing.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:00 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Spindler's Mice - More Details

Hi JW:Funny you should say that. I have been wondering how it tastes!Rodney.> You haven't yet got to the question: If we believe the mice studies and the studies are applicable to humans, why don't we eat what the mice ate?