Re: raw diet

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atlanticblue26 wrote:

Hi

Has anyone any suggestions as to how I may put some more weight on,

on an all raw diet? I'm on my fourth month, and like the diet, but

don't like the skin and bone look!

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I understand your concern about looks. However, if eating an all raw

diet your body will seek its own preferred weight. You will get to a

point and will no longer lose weight. You will just maintain the weight

you are at. This is a good thing as you don't pack around a lot of fat

(not a good thing). If you are desirous of putting on some extra weight

without changing from a raw diet I would consider doing some weight

training and add some more muscle mass. I don't know if anyone else has

any suggestions but that is what I would suggest.

Being raw makes for a really great life style and you really feel very

good but your body will get rid of the excess fat deposits and you will

lose that weight and those inches. Hope this helps somewhat!

-- Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

"Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man."

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for that. The weight training sounds like a good idea for my body, but it won't get rid of the gaunt look of my face. Does that correct itself in time, do you know, or am I stuck with it?!

[Guest guest]

HI,

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 01:49:38 -0400, keofa26@... wrote:

> Hi

> I'm 5ft 8 ins tall, and weigh 7 stone 9, so am underweight for my height, I

> believe, and I certainly look too thin, in my opinion. My face is very gaunt

> looking too.

WOWOW~ I was that weight at 5'7 " when I was about 17! Now I am ERRRM arrggh ahhh

hmmm

MORE!

Are you eating some good fats like lots of nuts and avocadoes??

What about cold pressed olive oil? Great on cooked vegies, slop it on!

best

Persian

--

" We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation

and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feather so badly that,

beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would

depict the devil in human form " - Ralph Inge

" The human body has no more need for cows' milk than it does for dogs' milk,

horses' milk or giraffes' milk. " ~ Klapper, M.D.

Only when the last tree has died

and the last river has been poisoned

and the last fish has been caught

will we realise we cannot eat money. - Cree Indian saying

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<<<I hear you...lol... I have found that to

lose weight, do a juice fast... like a week if you can.. or do a 3 day

every 3-4 weeks. It will also help you feel better...or better yet a

cleanse will take it off...>>>

But, how do you gain weight??? I struggled

with that until I hit 45. What Don said is true but this person (sorry,

don’t know if you are man/woman) is about 25 lbs. underweight. <rantmode>

It always annoyed me that there was so much info out there about losing it but

let me tell ya, it’s no fun being underweight either, mostly because of

the comments of others. I was only about 10 lbs under the lowest chart weight

and was very healthy but to the rest of the population that even 30 years ago

were fat, that looks like even more. People have no problem telling a

thin person that they’re thin, skinny, etc. Has anyone told any of

you how fat you are? I didn’t think so. I know there are

plenty of unspoken attitudes but not like the verbal affronts to the skinnies…..and

even now at the proper weight I get comments, not as many but they still happen.<rantmodeoff>

Here are some questions for this person needing to

gain weight:

Are you under a lot of stress? Acute? Chronic?

How long have you been on the raw diet?

What was your weight before the raw diet?

Have you had or do you now have any health problems?

Why did you start eating raw?

What are you eating? Drinking?

How do you feel? Plenty of energy and interest

in life?

How much

and what are you doing for exercise?

Are you on any drugs, prescribed or otherwise?

There’s hope, regardless of your past, current

health, raw is the best. So you are on the right track and what Don says

is true. I ditto that: if you have plenty of energy and no health

problems your weight will come to its healthiest level. Keep in mind that

you will definitely be on the slender side with this kind of eating.

Start slopping on the oils like Persian

said!! Here’s a source to get ya started:

www.tropicaltraditions.com

They have a new product called Coconut Cream Concentrate, mmMMmm!!

[Guest guest]

To gain weight I would lift weights, and eat lot's young coconuts,

virgin coconut butter, sprouted nut butter and banana, avocados...etc.

i used to eat 5 avocados a day in the years i was all raw. I was real

thin but not too.

There is a great article on raw foods on my website if you have not

read it.

http://www.wholelifeliving.com/Essentials/rawarticle.shtml

Also some good recipes (if i do say so myself!) on the bottom of this

page including a spread with raw macademia nuts- super caloric and good

fats.

http://www.wholelifeliving.com/Essentials/rawlivingfoods.shtml

Also check out the book Raw Power by Arlin- a raw weight

lifter. He specifically addresses putting on muscles weight while raw.

Mmmm I just blended a young Thai coconut for breakfast ;-)

Take care!

Whole Life Essentials.

Outstanding Organic Essential Oils & Products

http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com

Whole Life Coach

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http://www.WholeLifeCoach.biz

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Hi

I wholeheartedly agree with you about all the comments people think they've the right to make just because I'm underweight. I get so fed up with it. They always say it as though it's a revelation to me that I'm thin! If I were fat, they wouldn't dream of commenting on it.

I've been on the raw diet for around 4 months, and have no particular health problems. I am under a lot of stress, because I have 2 very young and difficult children (1 with aspergers), and trying to fit some work in too.

I started on the raw thing, because I wanted to feel as healthy as possible, in order to keep up with the children, as I'm 44, and also because I don't want to look old for my age!

Before my raw diet, I used to weigh around 9 stone, so I've never been overweight, and don't put on weight easily. I've always been able to eat quite a bit without putting on weight. For instance, I could eat whole boxes of choclate, and it wouldn't have affected my weight much.

I eat a diet of nuts, sprouted seeds, lots of fruit, and vegetables, dates and dried figs, and I also include some superfoods such as macca, and spirulina. I have nori every day, and around 2 tablespoonfuls of either cold pressed linseed oil, or cold pressed hemp seed oil. The latter is quite expensive, so I wouldn't want to take more of that.

I try to fit exercise around the children, so only do around 15 minutes of rebounding every other day, and I do around 40 minutes a day of brisk walking. I fluctuate between feeling energetic and lethargic. On lethargic days, I find it impossible to exercise much at all. Generally though, I do feel better on the diet, and I'm not on any medication, and haven't been for years.

Thanks

Kate

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Persian wrote:

> Hi Kate,

>

> On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 02:29:09 -0400, keofa26@... wrote:

> >

> > I eat a diet of nuts, sprouted seeds, lots of fruit, and vegetables,

> dates

> > and dried figs, and I also include some superfoods such as macca, and

> > spirulina. I have nori every day, and around 2 tablespoonfuls of

> either cold pressed

> > linseed oil, or cold pressed hemp seed oil. The latter is quite

> expensive,

>

> > I fluctuate between feeling energetic and lethargic. On lethargic

> days, I

> > find it impossible to exercise much at all. Generally though, I do

> feel better

> > on the diet, and I'm not on any medication, and haven't been for years.

>

> Aren't you concerned that some days you feel lethargic? This definitely

> does not seem right to me. I wonder if you are getting sufficient

> calories,

> and where are your complex carbs in this diet? You can soak raw

> organic muesli

> overnight, that could possibly be included.

>

> regards

> Persian

>

>

I believe that this is a common misconception a lot of us have. The

lethargy is a symptom of detoxification. Having been eating only raw for

around 4 months the body is going to detox naturally. This will occur

for some time too. It took you X-number of years to get your body into

the condition it is now in and it is going to take time to clean it all

out naturally. This would make sense and is what happens to most people

when they go raw. It doesn't have anything to do with calories or

complex carbs. All the carbs needed come right from the raw food one

eats. Using calories as a guide for healthy eating has led more people

to bad habits, obesity and other physical ailments. I know a lot of

people swear by counting calories but heck, people actually were doing

much better health and eating wise before they invented the concept of

counting calories in the last century.

By the way, it took me a while to figure out what " stone " means in

weight. That one threw me for a bit. At least now I now. In case anyone

else doesn't know 1 stone = 14 pounds US.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Nice to meet you. And thanks for

filling me on your total health picture. The one question I forgot to ask

is how do you sleep? If the answer to that is OK, then I’m stumped

as to your having any health problems causing you to be somewhat underweight

according to current definitions of what weight really should be!!

According to the “chart” you

should weigh 140 lbs. plus or minus 10% for frame size but I’ve

questioned that chart for some time as being on the heavy side and made up by

the industry that makes money off sick people due mainly to being overweight,

even 10 or 15 lbs is toxic to the system and stressful to the spine.

I will agree with Don on this one. Eating

raw will bring you to what YOUR weight should be. And after only 4

months, even being healthy when you started it, you are detoxifying and this

might take some extra calories for awhile as well as cause the lethargic day

here and there. The stress also keeps your metabolism up more then if you

were able to have a more relaxed lifestyle. So, short of getting your

thyroid checked to make sure it’s not hyper, I’d say take this

concern off your list of worries ‘cause that adds to it too J

One suggestion about exercise: I know

you want to keep your heart healthy with the brisk walks but maybe once in

awhile (on the lethargic day) slow down to a stroll and take that time to relax

and let some of the stress go even though the brisk walk may feel more de-stressing

conserving a few calories this way might help.

As you can probably tell I’ve always

been interested in the weight issue and now you’ve peaked my interest in

looking deeper into it in the raw food realm.

What are others experiences in going

totally raw and how did it effect your weight? Especially those who did not do it to

lose weight. I would guess this is an issue, especially here in the USA where 2/3 of the citizens are overweight. And those

who are at their ideal weight or even underweight according to what I believe is

a manipulated chart must be dealing with some of the same societal criticisms

mentioned already.

, feeling some kind of research

project coming on….

[Guest guest]

Oh, and , one more thing, to those who

are giving you a hard time,

Just step back

And say

“Well, yes, comparatively

speaking I do look more slender then I really am”

Or, if they have the audacity to ask if

you’ve lost weight say:

“No, but it looks like you’ve

gained some since I’ve seen you” J

Both of these comebacks must be said in a

very soft, kind way, regardless of what you’re thinking. They might

get the point.

I’d love to hear any of your

comebacks that you’ve used through the years.

, feeling nasty L

Oh, and I know you have QVC in England, how about

getting a modeling job? They would love you there!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi

I think your message is for me, and my name is Kate. I didn't sign myself as did I before?

I think Don is right too, and that I'll find my true weight at some point. At least that's what I'm hoping for! I read in one book, that it can take up to a year to detoxify enough before you start filling out a little. I suppose the good news is, that at least for the last couple of weeks or so, my weight has remained at the same level. I'd be more worried if I were still losing it. I hope I don't have to wait too long before my face fills out a little, as I think I would look a lot better overall if I filled out there a bit.

I sleep really well on the raw diet, but just don't get enough of it, but that's because of the children. It used to take me a while to get to sleep in the past, but I find that I get to sleep quickly, and sleep more deeply since I've been on this diet.

I must say that I've never been the weight I 'should' be for my height, except during my pregnancies! I've been close to it, but I don't put on weight easily. My sister, who I don't see much of, usually comments that I look anorexic, when I do see her, and that's when I've been on a conventional diet, and at a more reasonable weight! She'd probably ring the medical services if she saw me now! Having said that though, she could do with losing some weight, so perhaps it always makes her feel better to say that I'm underweight, rather than admit that she may be overweight.

I usually just let people get on with it when they comment about my weight, but perhaps I'll try some of your rejoinders!!

Thanks for your help

Kate

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 02:29:09 -0400, keofa26@... wrote:

>

> I eat a diet of nuts, sprouted seeds, lots of fruit, and vegetables, dates

> and dried figs, and I also include some superfoods such as macca, and

> spirulina. I have nori every day, and around 2 tablespoonfuls of either cold

pressed

> linseed oil, or cold pressed hemp seed oil. The latter is quite expensive,

> I fluctuate between feeling energetic and lethargic. On lethargic days, I

> find it impossible to exercise much at all. Generally though, I do feel

better

> on the diet, and I'm not on any medication, and haven't been for years.

Aren't you concerned that some days you feel lethargic? This definitely

does not seem right to me. I wonder if you are getting sufficient calories,

and where are your complex carbs in this diet? You can soak raw organic muesli

overnight, that could possibly be included.

regards

Persian

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 11:00:51 +0200, Don Quai wrote:

> I believe that this is a common misconception a lot of us have. The

> lethargy is a symptom of detoxification. Having been eating only raw for

> around 4 months the body is going to detox naturally. This will occur

> for some time too. It took you X-number of years to get your body into

> the condition it is now in and it is going to take time to clean it all

> out naturally. This would make sense and is what happens to most people

> when they go raw. It doesn't have anything to do with calories or

> complex carbs. All the carbs needed come right from the raw food one

> eats. Using calories as a guide for healthy eating has led more people

> to bad habits, obesity and other physical ailments. I know a lot of

> people swear by counting calories but heck, people actually were doing

Thank you Don for correcting me, I copied a lot of my post from

another list so I guess I need to tell them too.

regards

Persian

[Guest guest]

Kate! Yes, you signed ‘Kate’

and I was thinking Kate and I typed Kate, I did I did LOL what is it with

these old brains, ugh, and I’m always so careful with names………and

Kate has always been one of my favorite names!! So,

Hi, Kate!

It sounds like you have a better handle

on being slim then I do. I think I resent the fact that they eat all the

good stuff and I deny myself to stay healthy. I used to say it ran up my

health insurance premiums but not anymore because I canceled it. I will

never give a health insurance company any of my money again but that’s

another thread J

I don’t know how much help it was

other then to commiserate with this phenomena. I have a sister like that

too only she has crossed over to be truly overweight so doesn’t say so

much anymore as she knows she’s in trouble. Do you happen to know

what the percentage is in England of the overweight

population? It’s just been in the last 18 months that the USA has started

letting this info into the mainstream media. TWO THIRDS are overweight

here. I heard somebody comment that one of the first things tourists

notice when they visit is how fat we are in this country. I think one of

the problems is that because so many are, we’re desensitized to it.

I have patients come in saying they lost 30 lbs. and they look no different

then before, they are still overweight. I would have guessed them to be

only about 30 lbs. overweight. That is shocking to me.

I hope you’ll keep us posted on

your raw food journey. As I’m convinced now it is part of the

detox. I think maybe we don’t come across this so much because most

people change their diet to something more healthy in order to lose weight

being the main reason. So that particular ‘symptom’ doesn’t

show. Very interesting, huh!!

I’ve heard people say that they don’t

want to get too thin IE to their ideal weight because if they get sick they’ll

have a little padding because one of the first things when you’re sick is

to lose weight. Well, here’s big DUH. Seems to me when the

body gets sick, one of the first things it tries to do is heal itself and that

requires losing the toxic fat thus weight loss!!

I’d like to hear others opinions on

this. I know cancer at a certain stage is a different kind of weight loss

but I’m not talking about that. I’m just talking about the

weight loss that comes when a person is initially sick with other illnesses.

I hope you’ll hang out on the list

and share your recipes too. I like quick and easy that doesn’t

require the dehydrator. I’m not completely raw because I still just

have to have some cooked veges or grains. Lately I’ve noticed I go

a couple of days raw but then I have to have something cooked.

I’d also be interested in kid

friendly recipes too. If it’s not too personal, are your kids raw?

Ciao for now,

-----Original Message-----

From: keofa26@...

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Sent: Friday, June

18, 2004 2:27 AM

To:

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Subject: Re:

raw diet

Hi

I think

your message is for me, and my name is Kate. I didn't sign myself as did I

before?

I think

Don is right too, and that I'll find my true weight at some point. At least

that's what I'm hoping for! I read in one book, that it can take up to a year

to detoxify enough before you start filling out a little. I suppose the good

news is, that at least for the last couple of weeks or so, my weight has

remained at the same level. I'd be more worried if I were still losing it. I

hope I don't have to wait too long before my face fills out a little, as I

think I would look a lot better overall if I filled out there a bit.

I sleep

really well on the raw diet, but just don't get enough of it, but that's

because of the children. It used to take me a while to get to sleep in the

past, but I find that I get to sleep quickly, and sleep more deeply since I've

been on this diet.

I must

say that I've never been the weight I 'should' be for my height, except during

my pregnancies! I've been close to it, but I don't put on weight easily. My

sister, who I don't see much of, usually comments that I look anorexic, when I

do see her, and that's when I've been on a conventional diet, and at a more

reasonable weight! She'd probably ring the medical services if she saw me now!

Having said that though, she could do with losing some weight, so perhaps it

always makes her feel better to say that I'm underweight, rather than admit

that she may be overweight.

I

usually just let people get on with it when they comment about my weight, but

perhaps I'll try some of your rejoinders!!

Thanks

for your help

Kate

[Guest guest]

Hi

I don't know the figures of obesity in this country, but my husband reckons it's about 20% of the population, and increasing. Metabolism must play a major role, and just as I don't like being too thin, I also feel sorry for people who find it hard to lose weight. My mother, for instance, is the complete opposite of me, as she weighs 280 pounds! She is now housebound because her knees have had it, due to the weight. She has been overweight as long as I can remember, but it's crept up more and more in latter years. She puts on weight easily, but she doesn't have strong will power, and can never stick to a diet for long. I have inherited my father's genes, as have my brothers and sisters. He was tall and thin.

I agree with you that when people lose weight when they get sick, it's the body trying to heal itself. My grandparents used to always go on about needing a good amount of padding to stand in good stead if you become ill.

I've noticed a lot of raw food books mention it really helps to have a course of colon hydrotherapy. I've always loathed the idea, but have come round to it much more, and am considering it seriously now. I think it may help me to get more benefit from the food I eat, if I'm cleaned out a bit. I'm looking to see if there's anyone locally. Bet it's expensive though!

I don't use a dehydrator. I gave it a go way back, but got fed up with the long waiting times and all the hassle, so got rid of it. I eat rather simply, so don't follow many exciting recipes. I eat fruit and nuts on their own, or the latter in salads. I do look forward to a few desserts though. At the moment I love strawberries, bananas and avocado blended together, which makes a sort of satisfying dessert. Sometimes I add sunflower seeds to give it more density, and other times nuts. I also add macca often. I also like to blend bananas, avocado, carob, dates, and nuts to make a rather rich chocolatey pudding. It helps to stop me from giving in to chocolate, as I adored chocolate before. The only other thing I really miss is red wine, as I've always loved the taste of a good wine. So far I've stuck to the raw diet 100%. I think it's easier to when it's 100%. When I tried to be high raw, but still ate some cooked foods, I'd always get more cravings, and then give up altogether.

I'm a bit of an experiment at the moment, so I haven't got my children onto a raw diet yet. I want to see how I fare first. I am trying to incorporate more raw food into their diet though, and cutting back on wheat based products.

Take care

Kate

[Guest guest]

Wow, 20%, you guys need

more Mc’s LOL.

As to colonics, I used to get those

regularly but since doing the cleanse and taking the cleanse #1, I don’t

feel a need for them anymore. My weight stays down much easier since the

cleanse and using the #1. of course I’ve changed the way I eat

quite a bit too.

Thanks for the food ideas. I call

myself a lazy cook so haven’t bought the dehydrator and from what you say

I think I’ll put that on hold for now. I am single so my biggest

problem is timing the purchase of food so it stays fresh and I doubt the

dehydrator would help much with that. Some of your combinations sound

yummy and will try them out.

I also appreciate your comment on staying

totally raw and the consequent cravings when mixing cooked with raw. Maybe

I’ll give that a try as I say I need something cooked every few days but

maybe that’s a craving that just needs to be worked through. That hadn’t

occurred to me.

Ciao for now,

<<<<I don't use a dehydrator.

I gave it a go way back, but got fed up with the long waiting times and all the

hassle, so got rid of it. I eat rather simply, so don't follow many exciting

recipes. I eat fruit and nuts on their own, or the latter in salads. I do look

forward to a few desserts though. At the moment I love strawberries, bananas

and avocado blended together, which makes a sort of satisfying dessert.

Sometimes I add sunflower seeds to give it more density, and other times nuts.

I also add macca often. I also like to blend bananas, avocado, carob, dates,

and nuts to make a rather rich chocolatey pudding. It helps to stop me from

giving in to chocolate, as I adored chocolate before. The only other thing I

really miss is red wine, as I've always loved the taste of a good wine. So far

I've stuck to the raw diet 100%. I think it's easier to when it's 100%. When I

tried to be high raw, but still ate some cooked foods, I'd always get more

cravings, and then give up altogether.>>>