Re: Hives / Yeast questions now coumadin

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In a message dated 6/16/2004 6:02:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time, suziesgoats@... writes:

Cathie,

question, how did you get on coumadin anyway...

I would suggest eatting lots of garlic and ginger to get off the coumadin. Both are natural anti-coagulants. Cayenne, blueberries and bilberries or any blue type berries will help feed and tone up the arterial walls.

Suzi

Suzi,

Hugz. I have a genetic tendency to clot, called low protein S. My left leg clotted fromhip to mid calf the first time, and then from hip to ankle years later, when I took myself off coumadin and tried to just be healhty.

Im not going to attempt going off the coumadin without the professional help of a professional naturopath, which I can't afford right now. The stakes are TOO HIGH. I'm already "permanently disabled" from the clotting, and have been making progress clearing out veins the docs said would never clear, by exercise, lots of rejuvilac over the past years, and I do take garlic but I get my protime tested regularly and the garlic does raise it a few points but not enoughy to warrent me quittingthe coumadin without professional help.

If I have another setback with the leg due to clotting, my life will be over. I already have to spend a good part of my day putting the foot up to compensate for poor blood flow throughy the leg -- not due to a "thickness" of the blood but due to blockage from old clot. The original clot was triggered by the birth control pill when I wsa 28, because I have a condition called low protien S which is genetic and basically is an over "tendency to clot"

Blessings,

Cathie

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In a message dated 6/16/2004 7:33:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, suziesgoats@... writes:

Cathie

Cayenne is very good for the blood, veins, heart etc... you should look into this...under Health articles in the files... you'll find "All about cayenne or capsicum." Might be something else you will want to try.

Suzi

Hi Suzi,

I have plenty of cayenne and use it all the time. sometimes I drink it in water, but can only take so much the heat bothers my intestines if i take too much -- again -- it improves circulation, and I agree it is a good herb, and I take it, but it doesn't raise my protime enough to lower my need for coumadin.

The problem is that the leg veins, mainly the Femoral and tibial and internal iliac, were clotted solid from top to bottom. When the veins clear from clot, they often clear like swiss cheese. There are 17 valves between the knee and the ankle. I have NONE due to clotting. Therefor I hvae to putmy foot up. There is nothing in any herb that will cause my blood to travel upwards, against gravity -- even the coumadin can't do that. The best I can do is keep exercising to help open up the veins, keep taking the cayenne and garlic which i Do and have been for years, to keep the leg from clotting agian, but as I said, the herbs have little impact on my protime and I had hoped at one time I would get my protime elevated through the use of such herbs, and I did succeed in getting a lower Dose of coumadin ( down from 12 mg 3 days a wek and 16 mg four days a week to 12 mg four days a week and 8 mg 3 days a week ) but that's it. Vitamin E is also a tremendous help for the veins, and helped me get on a lower dose of coumadin.

Blessings,

Cathie, who ends up feeling like her situation is so strange and unique it's better to not even bring it up, because I've been living with it since I was 28, and working on trying natural herbal and vitamin and enzyme therapies for the past 4 years. I am going to need to get a professional to help me through this one, when I am able to afford it. )

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Cathie

Cayenne is very good for the blood, veins, heart etc... you should look into this...under Health articles in the files... you'll find "All about cayenne or capsicum." Might be something else you will want to try.

Suzi

SophiasDream@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/16/2004 6:02:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time, suziesgoats@... writes:

Cathie,question, how did you get on coumadin anyway... I would suggest eatting lots of garlic and ginger to get off the coumadin. Both are natural anti-coagulants. Cayenne, blueberries and bilberries or any blue type berries will help feed and tone up the arterial walls.SuziSuzi, Hugz. I have a genetic tendency to clot, called low protein S. My left leg clotted fromhip to mid calf the first time, and then from hip to ankle years later, when I took myself off coumadin and tried to just be healhty. Im not going to attempt going off the coumadin without the professional help of a professional naturopath, which I can't afford right now. The stakes are TOO HIGH. I'm already "permanently disabled" from the clotting, and

have been making progress clearing out veins the docs said would never clear, by exercise, lots of rejuvilac over the past years, and I do take garlic but I get my protime tested regularly and the garlic does raise it a few points but not enoughy to warrent me quittingthe coumadin without professional help. If I have another setback with the leg due to clotting, my life will be over. I already have to spend a good part of my day putting the foot up to compensate for poor blood flow throughy the leg -- not due to a "thickness" of the blood but due to blockage from old clot. The original clot was triggered by the birth control pill when I wsa 28, because I have a condition called low protien S which is genetic and basically is an over "tendency to clot"Blessings,Cathie

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On Jun 16, 2004, at 9:24 AM, SophiasDream@... wrote:

>

> Cathie, who ends up feeling like her situation is so strange and

> unique it's better to not even bring it up, because I've been living

> with it since I was 28, and working on trying natural herbal and

> vitamin and enzyme therapies for the past 4 years.  I am going to need

> to get a professional to help me through this one, when I am able to

> afford it. )

>

No, no...it's not strange. Just so important to have the full picture

before anyone can really address a symptom.

We are just not a bunch of isolated symptoms. I really don't like to

make suggestions with out a full intake personally. I used to, but the

more I have learned the more i see how potentially dangerous it is.

Like driving a car in the fog. Sometimes it's best to pull over and

wait until you can see what's all really in front of you.

What is healthy for one is not for another. Given your health issues

and the meds you are on knowing the full picture is vital....imo....;-)

I'm happy to help- if you want to speak by phone or email and actually

share the full picture. I do not charge a consultation fee and don't

need you to buy anything from me. I am busy though and would need to

schedule a time. Chances are I will have some ideas that will be

helpful- and holistic.

Take care~

Love,

Pure, Organic Aromatherapy

http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com

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Suzi,

> Hugz. I have a genetic tendency to clot, called low protein

> S. My left leg clotted fromhip to mid calf the first time, and then

> from hip to ankle years later, when I took myself off coumadin and

> tried to just be healhty.

> Im not going to attempt going off the coumadin without the

> professional help of a professional naturopath, which I can't afford

> right now. The stakes are TOO HIGH. I'm already " permanently

> disabled " from the clotting, and have been making progress clearing

> out veins the docs said would never clear, by exercise, lots of

> rejuvilac over the past years, and I do take garlic but I get my

> protime tested regularly and the garlic does raise it a few points but

> not enoughy to warrent me quittingthe coumadin without professional help.

> If I have another setback with the leg due to clotting, my life

> will be over. I already have to spend a good part of my day putting

> the foot up to compensate for poor blood flow throughy the leg -- not

> due to a " thickness " of the blood but due to blockage from old clot.

> The original clot was triggered by the birth control pill when I wsa

> 28, because I have a condition called low protien S which is genetic

> and basically is an over " tendency to clot "

>

> Blessings,

> Cathie

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Hi Cathie,

First let me welcome you to our group and I am glad you are here. WELCOME!!!

Wow!!! You really latched onto a tiger by the tail!!! I am probably not

going to tell you anything you don't already know. I am truly sorry that

you are having to deal with clotting problems. I have known quite a few

people who have a similar problem and are taking coumadin daily. I

understand your reticence at not wishing to go off of it. Genetic or not

clotting happens because the arterial walls or the blood is too sticky.

Arterial problems (leaks, tears or what not) are paved with cholesterol.

This is what plugs up the leaks in our arteries. Our arteries leak

because we don't feed them what they need. Blueberries and bilberries

and even cayenne actually give the arteries the food they need to become

more elastic again thus toning them up. I only know of ginger and

garlic as anti-coagulants. But they don't work for everyone. Best bet is

to slowly change away from mucus forming foods (that make our blood

thick and sticky) to more alkaline forming foods (which clean up the

blood and make it more thin). But that is up to you how you wish to do

it. I suspect, and I could be wrong, but at some point you may have had

bowel problems in your earlier years. This could be inherent as well.

Vitamin K is produced in the bowels and if your bowels are encrusted

then the vitamin K will not be absorbed. This could be part of the

problem or maybe it is just because you are low on protein S. You can

get more Vitamin K by eating a lot more green leafy veggies. Parsley,

Swiss Kale, Chard, Spinach, Broccoli, Watercress all have significantly

high levels of vitamin K. Are you Type I, IIa or IIb? Have you ever had

liver problems before that you can recall?

For the yeast, if it is systemic then I might suggest that you begin

juicing raw beets and drinking raw, preferrably organic, beet juice

daily. Beet juice is a wonderful blood cleanser on a par with wheat

grass juice. It will not only cleanse your blood of the fungus and other

toxics debris but will also help to detoxify your liver. You can even

use beet juice as an injection (enema wise) to help detoxify and heal

the colon and liver. Are you using any probiotics? I noticed that you

mentioned eating cabbage. My suggestion would be to take that cabbage

and put it into your blender and blend it with distilled or highly

purified water to make a gallon. Then fill a stainless steel pot with it

and cover with saran wrap and tie it on somehow. Place out of the way

for 4 days. On the 4 or 5th day strain out the cabbage, bottle the juice

and refrigerate then eat the cabbage for supper. Drink 8 ounces of the

juice daily or more if you wish. This will put back a whole bunch of

friendly bacteria that has been killed off by the antibiotics. Do eat

yogurt as well and drink acidophilus or take acidophilus in capsules.

Candida exists in two forms. One is fairly beneficial to the body and

everyone has Candida but then it can morph into another more invasive

form and goes systemic when the friendly bacteria are lessened due to

whatever reason.

I don't know if any of this will help you or not but I salute you for

your willingness to heal yourself your way. It take courage to do that.

I only hope we can be of help to you.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

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In a message dated 6/16/2004 3:17:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mysticalherbalist@... writes:

Hi Cathie,

First let me welcome you to our group and I am glad you are here. WELCOME!!!

Wow!!! You really latched onto a tiger by the tail!!! I am probably not

going to tell you anything you don't already know. I am truly sorry that

you are having to deal with clotting problems. I have known quite a few

people who have a similar problem and are taking coumadin daily. I

understand your reticence at not wishing to go off of it. Genetic or not

clotting happens because the arterial walls or the blood is too sticky.

Arterial problems (leaks, tears or what not) are paved with cholesterol.

This is what plugs up the leaks in our arteries. Our arteries leak

because we don't feed them what they need. Blueberries and bilberries

and even cayenne actually give the arteries the food they need to become

more elastic again thus toning them up. I only know of ginger and

garlic as anti-coagulants. But they don't work for everyone. Best bet is

to slowly change away from mucus forming foods (that make our blood

thick and sticky) to more alkaline forming foods (which clean up the

blood and make it more thin). But that is up to you how you wish to do

it. I suspect, and I could be wrong, but at some point you may have had

bowel problems in your earlier years. This could be inherent as well.

Vitamin K is produced in the bowels and if your bowels are encrusted

then the vitamin K will not be absorbed. This could be part of the

problem or maybe it is just because you are low on protein S. You can

get more Vitamin K by eating a lot more green leafy veggies. Parsley,

Swiss Kale, Chard, Spinach, Broccoli, Watercress all have significantly

high levels of vitamin K. Are you Type I, IIa or IIb? Have you ever had

liver problems before that you can recall?

Nope. The docs always said "your liver is too healthy" as an explanation for why i needed a high dose of things.

never get indigestion.

do eat my wheat bran to compensate if I feel I've had a low fiber meal such as pizza, but need to get more raw foods into our diets on a consistent basis. Your advice is interesting and i didn't realize cayene was good for the veins like that i know it had blood thinning/circulation enhancing properties.

Sorry I missed your e-mail til now. I just saw it. back to finish reading the rest of it.

Blessings and Hugz,

Cathie

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In a message dated 6/16/2004 3:17:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mysticalherbalist@... writes:

but at some point you may have had

bowel problems in your earlier years. This could be inherent as well.

I was, according to my mother a colicky baby -- according to my granmother who babysat me i was not... the world may never know.

i've always had regular bowel movements but lately these past years spicy foods create some discomfort. On occasion in the past couple years i have had occasional diahrea, like three times this year, that lasted a day or two, but maybe that was a low grade flu?

at the time my blood first clotted, i suspect our diet was cholesterol rich.

Peace,

C

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Fascinating ... Thanks Don,

I'll give this a try. I noticed once when my protime was too high ( I had added extra vitamin E in high doses to my diet and it really altered the protime ( and cleaned out my bowel ! ), the time they lowered my dose of coumadin to what it is now, i was so concerned with it i ate literally a whole head of cabbage, plain, and raw that night. I noticed as I ate the cabbage my mouth began to burn as if I'd eaten a clove of garlic almost. I never realized this about cabbage eating it in smaller quantities and with vinegar or lemon which is acidy anyway and I just never discerned that cabbage is S[picy when raw, in a mild sort of way that builds up and actually gets more intense tthe more you eat and it soaks into the mouth tissues it really starts to burn almost like peppers. I backed off on my vitamin E bath, which I kept myself on for about half a year I guess maybe a little longer. Now I'm at a "standard" dose for somebody my age and the protime doesn't seem to be going down due to the decrease in vitamin E.

I find a lot of this stuff fascinating, though I am a poet and not a scientist and have a real trial and error novice attitude.

Btw, I wonder what it is in cabbage that makes it spicy.

Peace,

Cathie

In a message dated 6/16/2004 3:17:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mysticalherbalist@... writes:

For the yeast, if it is systemic then I might suggest that you begin

juicing raw beets and drinking raw, preferrably organic, beet juice

daily. Beet juice is a wonderful blood cleanser on a par with wheat

grass juice. It will not only cleanse your blood of the fungus and other

toxics debris but will also help to detoxify your liver. You can even

use beet juice as an injection (enema wise) to help detoxify and heal

the colon and liver. Are you using any probiotics? I noticed that you

mentioned eating cabbage. My suggestion would be to take that cabbage

and put it into your blender and blend it with distilled or highly

purified water to make a gallon. Then fill a stainless steel pot with it

and cover with saran wrap and tie it on somehow. Place out of the way

for 4 days. On the 4 or 5th day strain out the cabbage, bottle the juice

and refrigerate then eat the cabbage for supper. Drink 8 ounces of the

juice daily or more if you wish. This will put back a whole bunch of

friendly bacteria that has been killed off by the antibiotics. Do eat

yogurt as well and drink acidophilus or take acidophilus in capsules.

Candida exists in two forms. One is fairly beneficial to the body and

everyone has Candida but then it can morph into another more invasive

form and goes systemic when the friendly bacteria are lessened due to

whatever reason.

I don't know if any of this will help you or not but I salute you for

your willingness to heal yourself your way. It take courage to do that.

I only hope we can be of help to you.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

"Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man."

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SophiasDream@... wrote:

> Fascinating ... Thanks Don,

>

> I'll give this a try. I noticed once when my protime was too high ( I

> had added extra vitamin E in high doses to my diet and it really

> altered the protime ( and cleaned out my bowel ! ), the time they

> lowered my dose of coumadin to what it is now, i was so concerned with

> it i ate literally a whole head of cabbage, plain, and raw that

> night. I noticed as I ate the cabbage my mouth began to burn as if

> I'd eaten a clove of garlic almost. I never realized this about

> cabbage eating it in smaller quantities and with vinegar or lemon

> which is acidy anyway and I just never discerned that cabbage is

> S[picy when raw, in a mild sort of way that builds up and actually

> gets more intense tthe more you eat and it soaks into the mouth

> tissues it really starts to burn almost like peppers. I backed off on

> my vitamin E bath, which I kept myself on for about half a year I

> guess maybe a little longer. Now I'm at a " standard " dose for

> somebody my age and the protime doesn't seem to be going down due to

> the decrease in vitamin E.

> I find a lot of this stuff fascinating, though I am a poet and not a

> scientist and have a real trial and error novice attitude.

>

> Btw, I wonder what it is in cabbage that makes it spicy.

>

> Peace,

> Cathie

> In a message dated 6/16/2004 3:17:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

> mysticalherbalist@... writes:

>

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Hi Cathie,

Cabbage has a lot of sulphur compounds in it like garlic and onions and

such.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "