Question

January 3, 1999

In a message dated 1/2/99 10:45:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ACenneno@...

writes:

<< you can't really compare alt therapy with western medicine and techniques

insurance won't cover alternative therapy's but will traditional medicine and

money is a hardship to a lot of people >>

The biggest difference between western medicine/techinques and alternative

therapies, (other than insurance reimbursement), is alternative therapies

treat the whole body, at all levels, with an interest in who you are, how you

live, and how all of your experiences fit together. It is a system that truly

honors the body's needs, looks for ways of restoring balance to the body, not

just managing symptoms with drugs or if that doesn't work, just cut it out.

It is my belief that the body is quite capable of healing itself if given the

proper ingredients, (which do vary per individual person), to get it moving in

the correct direction. In doing so, a person's real expenses are actually

reduced, drugs and surgeries may be avoided as well as hospital visits.

Alternative medicine has also been know as preventative medicine for good

reason. If a person really invests in some preventative medicine, it is more

valuable than investing in an insurance plan that only covers drugs and

surgery. Yes, the insurance companies need a wake up call, they could be

saving themselves a lot of money if they would ever recognize alternative

practitioners in the market place. Until then, it is up to the individual how

they choose to invest their time and money.

Warmest regards,

Joan

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January 23, 1999

I think the only religion that will be accepted is Christian Scientist. If

you took vaccinations in boot camp, you probably won't qualify.

Does anyone know how to print a e-mail without getting all the " credits. "

Thanks.

January 23, 1999

1) Your religion is not the issue, it is the religious beliefs of your

husband that will be in question.

2) The regulations that allow for this exemption also allow for a ruling of

mission mitigating circumstances which I believe during the present efforts

to get us all in lock step would be claimed by the commander that would

force your husband to either take the shots, or face punishment.

3) Most likely your husband would have to refuse other shots / medical

procedures long prior to the offering of these shots.

4) Religious exemption is not likely to be granted to anyone and still allow

for them to remain in the military.

question

From: " C. "

My husband will be getting the anthrax shot pretty soon, I want to

prevent that at any cost. I heard people can be waived if they belong

to certain religious groups. Does anyone know which religions are

these? I am willing to try any new religion to prevent my husband

from getting the anthrax vaccine.

March 15, 1999

,

Can you be more specific about where you live? I'm thinking anywhere from Iron

Mountain to Paw Paw. I know of none in western U.P. but can give names for

western lower penn.

Cheryl Overley

> Do you have anyone on your list of Homeopathic/Naturapathic for the Michigan

area? Specifically West Michigan??

March 15, 1999

Cheryl,

I live in the lower part of West Michigan. Centered between Grand Rapids,

Kalamazoo, Battle Creek and Lansing. sent several names that are on

the East side. About 2 1/2 to 3 hours away. I could do that. If you know

of someone closer that would be wonderful!

Appreciate your help!!

August 8, 1999

,

I work at a pediatrician's office and I asked her about the immunizations we

give. She said they all get the same dosage no matter what the age or

weight. She also said that it depends on the vaccine. She, like other

civilian doctors, doesn't know anything about the anthrax vaccine.

However, I think, something that has the kinds of adverse effects that the

anthrax vaccine has should be according to weight. Antibiotic and other

shots are according to weight.

Deanna

August 8, 1999

Hmmm? Don't give them any intelligent ideas. They may realize that

vaccination proportional to body mass might save them some vaccine and stretch

the supply. Clearly, you should be promoted. n

elisa wrote:

> From: " elisa " <kanpai@...>

>

> Hello list,

>

> I have a question. Why are all vaccinations one-size-fits all? I weigh 120

> lbs, am I getting effectively double the dosage of a 240 pounder? Now that

> I'm facing my first anthrax shot next week, this REALLY concerns me. Anyone

> know the answer?

> Thanks.

>

> elisa

September 18, 1999

You can't sue BioPort. The government has indemnified them so nobody can sue

them for any harm their vaccines cause. You would have to sue the government

and we all know what that will get you.

If your health is totally wreck, no amount of money is going to make up for

that.

Deanna

September 18, 1999

" marie i .scatz "

Whatever the cost to your military career don't take the shots. Your career

won't be worth a damn if you become ill anyway. the governement isn't going to

take care of you for the side effects of AVIP and there is no replacement for

good health. You may have to live with the side effects the rest of your life-

and that is a long time-

or maybe not?

Castleman

Bandon, OR

" marie i. schatz " wrote:

> From: " marie i. schatz " <marys100@...>

>

> I was just wondering if anyone knows any savvy lawyers and what they

> think about this. I'm a civial service technician in the Guard. We

> must take the shots on military status and ours will start this winter.

> Doing so on military status makes it so we can't sue Bio-Port. If I

> were to get the anthrax shots through a civilian doctor as a civilian

> (say I'm really concerned about the terrorist threat ha ha then could

> I sue Bio-Port if I had a reaction?

> I don't want to take the shot at all but if I have to I'd like to at

> least have some possibility of being compensated in the case of ruined

> health.

>

> > Our Anthrax information web site: http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/cyberella/

> Contact list owner: Gretchen Whitney at: cyberella@...

> http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=194215 <-- Sign web petition

> and help stop the mandatory Anthrax vaccination program.

>

October 5, 1999

Hello ...I am new to the list. I also live in CT, and would be

interested in finding out more information about CT exemptions.

It sure sounds like you would be someone who would know.

Thank you.

Vollweiler

Mother to Kaitlyn (5), (14mos) and Kurt (14mos)

Owner, Breastfeeding and Attachment Parenting Twins

http://members.tripod.com/~breastfeedingtwins/index.html

Question

From: Reiss <lisa@...>

Hi everyone! I need some help desperately so that I can get some

information to our legislators.

First, I have read several places that back in the 1980s that the CDC

REFUSED to recommend the chickenpox vaccine because it would be purely

for financial reasons. I need to know the meeting, article, etc. that I

can get a copy of to PROVE to some of our legislators their discrepancy.

Second, PLEASE DO NOT PUBLISH THIS ANYWHERE!, the Connecticut Public

Health Committee is very close to committing to doing a vaccine hearing

(as if the last 3 congressional hearings have not pointed out enough

flaws in the system)for the state of Connecticut next legislative

session, which starts in Feb. 2000. One of the committee members would

like a list of drs/scientists who would be willing to testify before the

committee. I would like to supply them the list. I am thinking of drs

such as Marcel Kinsbourne, Bonnie Dunbar, Jane Orient, etc. Anyone have

their addresses/phone/fax/email? Do you think they would be willing to

testify?

Any help would really be appreciated. I know everyone is super busy with

all the recent media coverage! (and to think that a year ago I thought I

was the only one in the North concerned about this issue:)

Take care and best wishes for continued success in raising awareness

regarding vaccines.

Reiss in CT

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October 5, 1999

Dear ,

All I can do right now is offer a slightly revised copy of my article. It

might appeal to some legislators. To my surprise, it was the reason my

state assemblyman voted against the chi-pox bill in our state. He was

only one of three who did. I often wonder what would have happened if I

emailed it to all the legislators.

The following article originally appeared in the January 1999 Well Beings

newsletter, a publication of Vaccination Alternatives, NYC,

<va-sk@...

CHICKEN POX: Why Do Children Die?

By Krasner (gk-cfic@...)

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While chicken pox is rarely fatal, vaccination proponents in New York

State want to mandate universal vaccination of school children against

varicella. But rather than keeping them away from “infected” kids,

Natural Hygienists suggest a better way to regain health and avoid death:

Keep them away from allopathic physicians!

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After learning of the legislative attempt to make the varicella vaccine

mandatory in New York, I looked for a handle for an article. Since I

didn’t recall that chicken pox had ever been grouped in the category of

medicine’s infamous “Killer Diseases”, I thought I should find out how

the Medical Boys justified making it compulsory for school children. It

became apparent that the only medical justification for this vaccine had

been the claimed mortalities. I went to the CDC’s website and found

something revealing in the May 15, 1998/Vol. 47/No. 18 issue of Morbidity

and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR, their official publication). It was

entitled, “Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children: Texas and Iowa

notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella (chickenpox) that occurred

in children during 1997” (reprinted in Appendix A below). A short

introduction stated that in the U.S. there are approximately 100 deaths

(about half of these in children) and 10,000 hospitalizations each year

for complications from chicken pox from infection with the varicella

virus.

After going over the report, I remembered why I stopped reading medical

journals. In each of the three cases the young boys started out with

fevers and/or other minor inflammatory conditions. Following each regimen

of antibiotics, analgesics, or steroidal medications their condition grew

progressively worse. The doctors responded to each new symptom with yet

another drug, until they died. Having an understanding of Natural Hygiene

(briefly described by Harvey Diamond in his best seller, Fit For Life), I

understood specifically why some of the drugs caused the adverse effects.

But even equipped with a rudimentary understanding of the principles of

N.H., one would realize that chicken pox is not a fatal disease, but

rather a very common, benign inflammatory condition. And fatalities—as

rare as they are—must actually result from inappropriate care, or the

kinds of aggressive medical interventions described in the MMWR report.

With paraphrasing here and there, the remainder of this page is taken

from the section on chicken pox from the book, Food Is Your Best Medicine

by Henry Bieler, M.D. He was a renowned clinician practicing in Pasadena,

CA for over 50 years until his death in 1975. Dr. Bieler’s skills were

sought after by Hollywood celebrities and honored by his peers (a medical

wing was named after him).

Chicken pox arises from the elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids

through the hair fat glands. The chemical burn from the purging of waste

products though the skin causes the characteristic blister of this

disease. This occurs when the liver is congested and cannot perform its

eliminative function and metabolic waste matter (toxins) is then thrown

into the bloodstream. These toxins in the blood must be discharged, so

nature uses vicarious avenues of elimination, or “substitutes”. When

these bile poisons (from the liver) in the blood come out through the

skin, we get skin conditions manifested by rashes, boils, acne, etc. Or

they come out through the mucous membranes (inside skin) manifesting as

various catarrhs, like chicken pox. Thus, the skin is “substituting” for

the liver, or a vicarious elimination is occurring through the skin.

FOOD AND DRUGS ARE CONTRAINDICATED

During the more acute and involved forms of toxemia, such as measles,

chicken pox, fever, or flu, the liver is much too busy neutralizing toxic

wastes to be bothered with digestion of food. Therefore, to facilitate

the elimination of this waste, fasting on distilled water is essential in

such cases. This accounts for the lack of digestive juices produced, and

the loss of appetite that accompanies these illnesses.

After cells have been damaged by the toxic wastes, it is important for

bacteria—acting as scavengers—to attack and devour the weakened, injured

and dead cells. Otherwise, these dead cells would become accumulated

toxic waste themselves. Therefore, antibiotics and other bactericides

must not be administered. The so called “bad” bacterial strains die out

on their own anyway, once their food (toxic waste) is used up. But until

that point, they play an important role in the process that converts

waste for eventual elimination.

The class of drugs that doctors use to treat catarrhal diseases are

called antipyretics. Among antipyretics, aspirin tops the list of

favorites. Aspirin is a phenol (carbolic acid) derivative, with all the

chemical qualities of phenol, but without the deadly effect of carbolic

acid. Aspirin, like phenol, deadens the nerve endings, thereby masking

pain. But aspirin also diminishes a fever by partially blocking the

thyroid and the adrenal glands (a bad thing). The phenol derivatives

interfere with the proper function of the liver and damage liver cells.

The use of aspirin, then, is an attempt to drive out one devil (disease

toxins) by admitting another devil!

THE IMPORTANCE OF FEVER

Fever in a child is a frightening symptom to the mother. Just what is the

function of fever? Is it a harmful process, something to suppress and

worry about? Or is it the body’s attempt to burn up a poison, thereby

helping to dispose of it more quickly?

In the diseases of childhood, fever begins in the liver. In a very

strong, robust child, with properly functioning endocrine glands, the

toxin is often completely consumed in the liver. The child does not feel

sick or have pain; he just has a fever and if the liver area is carefully

palpated, it can be noted that there is an elevation of temperature over

that organ. In fact, if the temperature under the tongue is 105 degrees,

the internal temperature of the liver may be as high as 110 degrees. But

if the liver is unable to oxidize completely the poisons of disease so

that some leak through into the blood stream, then, under the action of

the endocrine glands, the poisons seek vicarious outlets via the mucous

membranes. This may be through the upper respiratory tract, in the form

of flu, sinusitis, pharyngitis, tonsillitis and possibly even pneumonia,

which is a complicated kind of bronchitis. All through this process, the

whole power of the liver is diverted into neutralizing the toxic wastes

of disease, as evidenced by the fever.

The liver is much too busy to be bothered with the task of the digestion

of food. Great strain can be taken off that organ if no food is given.

Not only does fasting lower the temperature, relieve the distress and

facilitate elimination, but it also lessens the strain on the liver and

prevents serious complications, such as middle-ear disease, mastoiditis

and meningitis. Left alone, a fever will not exceed 106 degrees. And only

about 4 percent of children experience fever-related convulsions, with no

serious aftereffects.

A fast (on distilled water, or at least diluted fruit or vegetable

juices) should be continued for twenty-four hours after the temperature

has returned to normal. A good rule to remember is that the bowel can be

cleared of toxins (by physic or enemas) in twenty-four hours; the blood

in three days; the liver in five days, providing no food is eaten.

Shingles (“adult chicken pox”), an eliminative crisis through the mucous

membranes that occurs in adults, may require about a week-long fast to

completely clear up.

It appears then, that fever, dreaded because misunderstood, is really

nature’s attempt to help. It is discomforting, but never does harm; never

is attended with serious aftereffects and never should be suppressed with

anti-inflammatory drugs or fed with food. I have seen many a case of flu

pushed into a pneumonia because some anxious grandmother insisted upon

something “to give the child strength”, such as chicken broth or a thin

starchy gruel, both liquids, of course, but protein and starch—just what

the liver cannot handle at this point.

THE TRUE CAUSE OF “INFECTIOUS” DISEASE

>From Dr. Bieler’s words we gain a little understanding of Natural

Hygiene. So-called “infectious” diseases like chicken pox, measles, or

whooping cough are actually inflammatory diseases. The symptoms during

such illnesses should be viewed as eliminative crises. They may be very

painful, but they’re a necessary self-limiting process in which an

accumulation of retained metabolic waste (dead cells that become toxic),

and the residues of undigested, unassimilated foods are being purged from

the body through vicarious (abnormal, inappropriate) channels such as the

skin or lungs. So the familiar runny nose, cough, stiffness, fever, and

numerous rashes, swellings, lesions, and eruptions through the skin are

all manifestations of the same cause—which are not pathogenic microbes.

Microbes like bacteria, for example, act as scavengers to consume the

toxic wastes and the dead cells following inflammation. Their formation

and growth do not precede the diseased state in the host, but rather

emerge in its wake; and not exogenically—from say, an “infected”

person—but rather endogenically, from the genetic material contained in a

cell’s nucleus after the cell’s death and decomposition. Fortunately, a

wide range of bacterial strains, or their genetic “blueprints” (e.g., the

various cellular and sub cellular—or “filterable”—stages that bacteria

cycle through), inhabit our bodies all the time in titers low enough that

their waste products do not affect us. Recently reported villains like

salmonella, e. coli, or streptococcus are enteric and ever-present inside

us. The viruses associated with measles, polio, influenza, and all the

rest are also present—both in health and disease—and may have only an

associative relationship with the diseases, but no proven causative

roles. (Incredibly, modern medicine still hasn’t determined the mechanism

by which a virus causes poliomyelitis.) But when we become toxemic and

our blood loses its alkalinity, the pathogenic strains begin to flourish

in the bodily waste that accumulates—even well before any outward

symptoms (inflammation and elimination) begin to appear. Their morphology

(strain and function) is determined by the type of waste that is present

for them to feed upon.

Symptoms are often triggered by a physiochemical or psychological

“trauma”, such as exposure to cold or toxic chemicals, stress, lack of

sleep, ingestion of spoiled meat, a sting or bite from an insect, or an

injected vaccine. Why these diseases occur predominantly in children is

best described by Dr. Bieler: “The childhood years should be the

healthiest of all. It is during those early years that the endocrine

glands and the liver are in their best functional capacity, giving the

healthy child his natural state of exuberance, inexhaustible energy, and

faultless elimination”. When elimination ends and symptoms subside,

doctors will proclaim that the drug had “taken effect”. But they are

confusing symptoms with cause; believing that the disappearance of the

former equates to the disappearance of the latter. But obviously a cause

and an effect cannot be one in the same. When you stop the body from

discharging toxic waste, you are not stopping the disease; you are merely

stopping the effects.

But more importantly, when Allopathic physicians employ pain killers,

fever suppressants, steroids and other drugs—which are sub-lethal doses

of poisons—they have the effect of weakening the patient to the extent of

checking elimination. This is a dangerous effect, because the waste

products of these germs that have fed on the dead cells, together with

the irritation from the toxins themselves may be absorbed into the blood,

and irritating the already overworked liver—which is the detoxification

center of the body. Antibiotics—which literally means “against life”—act

chiefly by violently stimulating the adrenal glands. But if they are weak

or depleted, the disease runs a chronic, often recurring course. In the

aftermath of these germicides, there are also left fewer germs to convert

waste, and no means to carry off and eliminate the dead cells. Not

surprisingly, there are more deaths today from septicemia (blood

poisoning caused by toxic waste from putrefactive bacteria) than there

were before the use of antibiotics. (One of the boys from the MMWR report

died from it.) Reactions from antibiotics include anaphylactic shock,

aplastic anemia, and induced virulent infections. Deaths from penicillin

still occurs today.

CHICKEN POX DOESN’T KILL; DOCTORS KILL

It’s now plain to see why the children described in the afore-referenced

MMWR had died. They were given numerous antibiotics, steroids,

antipyretic and antipruritic medications and other fever suppressers,

some administered directly into their bloodstreams. Probably they were

given food to eat as well, even during the height of their inflammatory

responses. The CDC admits that children don’t die from chicken pox per

se, but rather “complications” from chicken pox. But what they don’t say

is that these complications are all derived from acute blood toxemia

established by the very treatments used by allopathic physicians.

What does the CDC list as the most common complication? Pneumonia and

secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics). Other

complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed brain

tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as

intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin—an

anticoagulant, or “blood thinner”), hepatitis (congested and inflamed

liver caused by the antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for

the calcium needed to neutralize acidic blood, mostly caused by the

aspirin), and Reye’s syndrome (most commonly associated with giving

aspirin to children that have chicken pox or influenza).

Like aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs, acetaminophen (ie.

Tylenol) will also burden the liver and kidneys and check the vital

actions of the body to discharge waste from the blood. Acetaminophen

poisoning is also common because it throws the chemistry of the liver

off. In fact, it is the most common drug-induced cause of liver failure.

It depletes hepatic glutathione, causing the toxic metabolite NAPQI to

fail to conjugate, which leads to hepatic injury, and sometimes death.

Therefore, to say that “death is a complication of chicken pox”, is like

saying, “bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand”:

each event is neither contingent nor a consequence of the preceding one.

Their association is artificial; requiring specific actions to take

place. Actions that are in accord and mandated by standard medical

practice.

To promote the vaccine, the CDC proclaims that, “varicella (chicken pox)

is the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in children in the

United States.” But while the deaths are certainly preventable, they have

nothing to do with the vaccine.

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Appendix A:

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

May 15, 1998 / Vol. 47/No. 18

Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children

Texas and Iowa notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella

(chickenpox) that occurred in children during 1997

Case 1

On February 28, 1997, a previously healthy, unvaccinated 21-month-old boy

developed a typical varicella rash. He had no reported exposure to

varicella. On March 1, he was taken to a local emergency department (ED)

with a high fever and was started on oral acetaminophen and

diphenhydramine. On March 3, his primary-care physician prescribed oral

acyclovir. On March 4, his mother noted a new petechial-like rash. The

next morning, his primary-care physician noted lethargy, a purpuric rash,

and poor perfusion. He was transferred to a local ED. Fluid resuscitation

and intravenous ceftriaxone were initiated, but the child continued to

deteriorate rapidly, requiring intubation, mechanical ventilation, and

inotropic support with dopamine. Blood cultures were negative for

bacterial pathogens. Laboratory tests indicated disseminated

intravascular coagulation and severe dehydration. Approximately 1.5 hours

after arrival at the ED, he was transported to a tertiary-care center.

Within 10 minutes of arrival, he suffered cardiac arrest and died. The

death was attributed to varicella with hemorrhagic complications.

Case 2

On December 21, 1997, a 5-year-old unvaccinated boy with a history of

asthma was taken to a local ED with a fever of 104.5 F (40.3 C) and a

typical varicella rash in multiple stages of healing. The child was

treated with antipyretic and antipruritic medications and discharged.

That evening, the boy developed mild dyspnea and was treated at home for

a presumed asthma attack with metered-dose inhalers and one dose of oral

prednisone. He returned to the ED on December 22 with shortness of breath

and a 4-hour history of abdominal and leg pain. On presentation to the

ED, one of the patient’s siblings had active varicella and another had

recently recovered from varicella. Physical examination revealed numerous

chickenpox lesions, one of which appeared infected. He was tachypneic,

and his extremities were mottled consistent with peripheral septic

emboli. Chest and abdominal radiographs revealed a right pleural

effusion, pneumonia, and mild ileus. Thoracostomy produced pleural fluid

containing gram-positive cocci, confirmed 8 hours later to be group A

Streptococcus (GAS). A peripheral blood sample revealed gram-positive

cocci. He was admitted to the hospital and treated with intravenous

ceftriaxone, nafcillin, and acyclovir.

After admission, his breathing became labored and his extremities

increasingly mottled. He rapidly developed hypotension, obtundation, and

bradycardia. Despite efforts at cardiopulmonary resuscitation, the child

died 5 hours after arriving at the ED. A post-mortem examination

attributed the death to GAS septicemia, pneumonia, and pleural effusion,

complicating varicella infection.

Case 3

On December 14, 1996, a previously healthy, unvaccinated 23-month-old boy

developed fever and a typical varicella rash. Approximately 1-2 weeks

earlier, his unvaccinated 4-year-old sibling had contracted varicella. He

was taken to his physician on December 17 because of persistent fever and

cellulitis of the left foot, and he was hospitalized on December 19 for

failure to improve on an unspecified outpatient antibiotic regimen.

Because his condition deteriorated despite intravenous methicillin and

ceftriaxone, he was transferred to a regional hospital on December 21.

Sepsis, possible viral meningoencephalitis, and mild pleural effusion

were diagnosed. A cerebrospinal fluid examination revealed lymphocytic

pleocytosis, and blood and urine cultures grew penicillin-resistant

Staphylococcus aureus. Antibiotics were changed to nafcillin and

gentamycin, and intravenous acyclovir was added on December 23. On

December 24, the child developed an aortic insufficiency murmur, and an

echocardiogram revealed a 9x9 mm vegetation on the aortic valve,

consistent with bacterial endocarditis. Serial echocardiograms displayed

growth of the vegetation and development of a pericardial effusion. He

was transferred to a cardiac surgery center on December 26. While

awaiting surgery, he developed refractive heart failure secondary to

staphylococcal endocarditis. He became incoherent, probably secondary to

a major embolic neurologic event, and died on January 8, 1997.

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CAPTION:

In 1997, 3 deaths reported by two states did not occur from chicken pox,

but rather from the unnecessary drugs they used to treat it.

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We received positive responses from many who read, " Chicken Pox: Why Do

Children Die?, from our 11/98-1/99 double issue. The following letter

from Estrada, M.D. published in " Infections in Medicine® "

supports Krasner's assertion that the complications that children

die from are not caused by chicken pox per se, but rather from the the

drugs that doctors use to " treat " chicken pox.

—Sharon Kimmelman, Publisher, " Well Beings "

Pediatric Bulletin Varicella and GAS: Do NSAIDs Fuel the Fire?

Estrada, MD, University of South Alabama, Mobile, Ala.

During the past decade, there has been an increase in the frequency of

severe Group A beta-hemolytic streptococcal (GAS) infections in children.

Factors associated with this development are an increase in the

prevalence of exotoxin-producing serotypes and low herd immunity. The

increase is due in part to the low rates of infection with these strains

in the past.

It has been noted in some series that severe invasive GAS infections such

as necrotizing fasciitis (NF) and streptococcal toxic shock syndrome

(STSS) are associated with preexisting varicella infections in up to 47%

of patients ( CL et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J 15:151-156, 1996).

Another possible association, this one between the use of nonsteroidal

anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and severe GAS infection in children

with varicella, has also been reported by several investigators. NSAIDs

have been used to ameliorate the signs and symptoms of varicella, but the

question of whether their use increases disease progression remains.

The association between fulminant NF and the use of NSAIDs was reported

by Rimailho and collaborators more than a decade ago (Rimailho et al: J

Infect Dis 155:143-146, 1987). These investigators described fulminant

disease in five patients treated with NSAIDs, which included aspirin,

diclofenac, piroxicam, and nifluminic acid. Several studies have

demonstrated the development of lymphopenia and decreased lymphocyte

function in the presence of aspirin and other NSAIDs. It has also been

shown that abnormal neutrophil chemotaxis, chemiluminescence, and

lymphocyte transformation of PHA occurred when leukocytes from a patient

with NF were exposed to NSAIDs. This information suggests that NSAIDs may

decrease immune function and favor a widespread infection in patients

infected with invasive strains of GAS ( RJ: South Med J 84:785-787,

1991).

The association between the use of ibuprofen and the development of

severe GAS infection in children with varicella was first reported by

Brogan and colleagues (Brogan et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J 14:588-594,

1995) in a series in which five children developed GAS NF while receiving

treatment with this NSAID. The investigators concluded that it may be

prudent to limit the use of this drug for local complications of

varicella, since it may impair granulocyte function and at the same time

mask the signs of disease progression with GAS.

Until recently, most of the evidence suggesting a potential association

between the use of ibuprofen in patients with varicella and the

development of GAS invasive disease was based on isolated case reports or

data obtained from small case series. A recent study aimed at the

evaluation of risk factors associated with the development of invasive

GAS infection in patients with varicella found that the development of

invasive disease with this bacteria was 8.3 times more likely in those

patients in whom ibuprofen had been used during the first 5 days after

the onset of varicella ( CL et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J

15:151-156, 1996).

More recently, a case-controlled study was performed to determine whether

ibuprofen use was associated with the development of NF in patients with

varicella. This study included 19 children with varicella and NF and 29

controls also diagnosed with varicella and a serious soft-tissue

infection other than NF. Ibuprofen use before hospitalization was more

likely in cases than in controls (42% vs 15%). Patients with NF

complicated by renal insufficiency or STSS were also more likely to have

used ibuprofen than those with uncomplicated NF. Although this study does

not establish a direct causal relationship between ibuprofen use and the

development of GAS NF in patients with varicella, the findings imply that

an association may exist. The authors suggest that this association could

either be due to a more severe GAS infection promoted by the

immunoinhibitory effect of ibuprofen, or “masking” of the signs and

symptoms of disease progression by the action of the same drug. Another

possibility is that ibuprofen use could be only an indicator of more

severe disease that required more aggressive anti-inflammatory management

(Zerr DM et al: Pediatrics 103:783-790, 1999).

These studies suggest that there is an association between the use of

ibuprofen (and possibly other NSAIDs) in children with varicella and the

development of severe invasive GAS infection. Until a definite causal

relationship can be established or ruled out by future studies,

practitioners should consider the potential risks of using these

medications in children with varicella. Providing comfort for symptom

relief through the administration of these drugs must be weighed against

the potential for development of severe GAS disease.

Dr. Estrada is Assistant Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Pediatric

Infectious Diseases, University of South Alabama, Mobile, Ala.

======================================

October 6, 1999

Welcome to the list !! It is great to have you here!

Sue

Vollweiler wrote:

> From: " Vollweiler " <momacat@...>

>

> Hello ...I am new to the list. I also live in CT, and would be

> interested in finding out more information about CT exemptions.

>

> It sure sounds like you would be someone who would know.

>

> Thank you.

> Vollweiler

> Mother to Kaitlyn (5), (14mos) and Kurt (14mos)

> Owner, Breastfeeding and Attachment Parenting Twins

> http://members.tripod.com/~breastfeedingtwins/index.html

>

> Question

>

> From: Reiss <lisa@...>

>

> Hi everyone! I need some help desperately so that I can get some

> information to our legislators.

>

> First, I have read several places that back in the 1980s that the CDC

> REFUSED to recommend the chickenpox vaccine because it would be purely

> for financial reasons. I need to know the meeting, article, etc. that I

> can get a copy of to PROVE to some of our legislators their discrepancy.

>

> Second, PLEASE DO NOT PUBLISH THIS ANYWHERE!, the Connecticut Public

> Health Committee is very close to committing to doing a vaccine hearing

> (as if the last 3 congressional hearings have not pointed out enough

> flaws in the system)for the state of Connecticut next legislative

> session, which starts in Feb. 2000. One of the committee members would

> like a list of drs/scientists who would be willing to testify before the

> committee. I would like to supply them the list. I am thinking of drs

> such as Marcel Kinsbourne, Bonnie Dunbar, Jane Orient, etc. Anyone have

> their addresses/phone/fax/email? Do you think they would be willing to

> testify?

>

> Any help would really be appreciated. I know everyone is super busy with

> all the recent media coverage! (and to think that a year ago I thought I

> was the only one in the North concerned about this issue:)

>

> Take care and best wishes for continued success in raising awareness

> regarding vaccines.

> Reiss in CT

> --

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> Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical

> OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you

> implement that decision is yours and yours alone.

>

October 7, 1999

Great article. Can I use it on my site?

Any CDC reports on measles cases?

Re: Question

> From: L Krasner <gk-cfic@...>

>

> Dear ,

>

> All I can do right now is offer a slightly revised copy of my article. It

> might appeal to some legislators. To my surprise, it was the reason my

> state assemblyman voted against the chi-pox bill in our state. He was

> only one of three who did. I often wonder what would have happened if I

> emailed it to all the legislators.

>

> The following article originally appeared in the January 1999 Well Beings

> newsletter, a publication of Vaccination Alternatives, NYC,

> <va-sk@...

>

> CHICKEN POX: Why Do Children Die?

> By Krasner (gk-cfic@...)

>

> ------------teaser--------------

> While chicken pox is rarely fatal, vaccination proponents in New York

> State want to mandate universal vaccination of school children against

> varicella. But rather than keeping them away from " infected " kids,

> Natural Hygienists suggest a better way to regain health and avoid death:

> Keep them away from allopathic physicians!

>

> -------------main------------------

> After learning of the legislative attempt to make the varicella vaccine

> mandatory in New York, I looked for a handle for an article. Since I

> didn't recall that chicken pox had ever been grouped in the category of

> medicine's infamous " Killer Diseases " , I thought I should find out how

> the Medical Boys justified making it compulsory for school children. It

> became apparent that the only medical justification for this vaccine had

> been the claimed mortalities. I went to the CDC's website and found

> something revealing in the May 15, 1998/Vol. 47/No. 18 issue of Morbidity

> and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR, their official publication). It was

> entitled, " Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children: Texas and Iowa

> notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella (chickenpox) that occurred

> in children during 1997 " (reprinted in Appendix A below). A short

> introduction stated that in the U.S. there are approximately 100 deaths

> (about half of these in children) and 10,000 hospitalizations each year

> for complications from chicken pox from infection with the varicella

> virus.

>

> After going over the report, I remembered why I stopped reading medical

> journals. In each of the three cases the young boys started out with

> fevers and/or other minor inflammatory conditions. Following each regimen

> of antibiotics, analgesics, or steroidal medications their condition grew

> progressively worse. The doctors responded to each new symptom with yet

> another drug, until they died. Having an understanding of Natural Hygiene

> (briefly described by Harvey Diamond in his best seller, Fit For Life), I

> understood specifically why some of the drugs caused the adverse effects.

> But even equipped with a rudimentary understanding of the principles of

> N.H., one would realize that chicken pox is not a fatal disease, but

> rather a very common, benign inflammatory condition. And fatalities-as

> rare as they are-must actually result from inappropriate care, or the

> kinds of aggressive medical interventions described in the MMWR report.

>

> With paraphrasing here and there, the remainder of this page is taken

> from the section on chicken pox from the book, Food Is Your Best Medicine

> by Henry Bieler, M.D. He was a renowned clinician practicing in Pasadena,

> CA for over 50 years until his death in 1975. Dr. Bieler's skills were

> sought after by Hollywood celebrities and honored by his peers (a medical

> wing was named after him).

>

> Chicken pox arises from the elimination of toxic fat or fatty acids

> through the hair fat glands. The chemical burn from the purging of waste

> products though the skin causes the characteristic blister of this

> disease. This occurs when the liver is congested and cannot perform its

> eliminative function and metabolic waste matter (toxins) is then thrown

> into the bloodstream. These toxins in the blood must be discharged, so

> nature uses vicarious avenues of elimination, or " substitutes " . When

> these bile poisons (from the liver) in the blood come out through the

> skin, we get skin conditions manifested by rashes, boils, acne, etc. Or

> they come out through the mucous membranes (inside skin) manifesting as

> various catarrhs, like chicken pox. Thus, the skin is " substituting " for

> the liver, or a vicarious elimination is occurring through the skin.

>

> FOOD AND DRUGS ARE CONTRAINDICATED

> During the more acute and involved forms of toxemia, such as measles,

> chicken pox, fever, or flu, the liver is much too busy neutralizing toxic

> wastes to be bothered with digestion of food. Therefore, to facilitate

> the elimination of this waste, fasting on distilled water is essential in

> such cases. This accounts for the lack of digestive juices produced, and

> the loss of appetite that accompanies these illnesses.

>

> After cells have been damaged by the toxic wastes, it is important for

> bacteria-acting as scavengers-to attack and devour the weakened, injured

> and dead cells. Otherwise, these dead cells would become accumulated

> toxic waste themselves. Therefore, antibiotics and other bactericides

> must not be administered. The so called " bad " bacterial strains die out

> on their own anyway, once their food (toxic waste) is used up. But until

> that point, they play an important role in the process that converts

> waste for eventual elimination.

>

> The class of drugs that doctors use to treat catarrhal diseases are

> called antipyretics. Among antipyretics, aspirin tops the list of

> favorites. Aspirin is a phenol (carbolic acid) derivative, with all the

> chemical qualities of phenol, but without the deadly effect of carbolic

> acid. Aspirin, like phenol, deadens the nerve endings, thereby masking

> pain. But aspirin also diminishes a fever by partially blocking the

> thyroid and the adrenal glands (a bad thing). The phenol derivatives

> interfere with the proper function of the liver and damage liver cells.

> The use of aspirin, then, is an attempt to drive out one devil (disease

> toxins) by admitting another devil!

>

> THE IMPORTANCE OF FEVER

> Fever in a child is a frightening symptom to the mother. Just what is the

> function of fever? Is it a harmful process, something to suppress and

> worry about? Or is it the body's attempt to burn up a poison, thereby

> helping to dispose of it more quickly?

>

> In the diseases of childhood, fever begins in the liver. In a very

> strong, robust child, with properly functioning endocrine glands, the

> toxin is often completely consumed in the liver. The child does not feel

> sick or have pain; he just has a fever and if the liver area is carefully

> palpated, it can be noted that there is an elevation of temperature over

> that organ. In fact, if the temperature under the tongue is 105 degrees,

> the internal temperature of the liver may be as high as 110 degrees. But

> if the liver is unable to oxidize completely the poisons of disease so

> that some leak through into the blood stream, then, under the action of

> the endocrine glands, the poisons seek vicarious outlets via the mucous

> membranes. This may be through the upper respiratory tract, in the form

> of flu, sinusitis, pharyngitis, tonsillitis and possibly even pneumonia,

> which is a complicated kind of bronchitis. All through this process, the

> whole power of the liver is diverted into neutralizing the toxic wastes

> of disease, as evidenced by the fever.

>

> The liver is much too busy to be bothered with the task of the digestion

> of food. Great strain can be taken off that organ if no food is given.

> Not only does fasting lower the temperature, relieve the distress and

> facilitate elimination, but it also lessens the strain on the liver and

> prevents serious complications, such as middle-ear disease, mastoiditis

> and meningitis. Left alone, a fever will not exceed 106 degrees. And only

> about 4 percent of children experience fever-related convulsions, with no

> serious aftereffects.

>

> A fast (on distilled water, or at least diluted fruit or vegetable

> juices) should be continued for twenty-four hours after the temperature

> has returned to normal. A good rule to remember is that the bowel can be

> cleared of toxins (by physic or enemas) in twenty-four hours; the blood

> in three days; the liver in five days, providing no food is eaten.

> Shingles ( " adult chicken pox " ), an eliminative crisis through the mucous

> membranes that occurs in adults, may require about a week-long fast to

> completely clear up.

>

> It appears then, that fever, dreaded because misunderstood, is really

> nature's attempt to help. It is discomforting, but never does harm; never

> is attended with serious aftereffects and never should be suppressed with

> anti-inflammatory drugs or fed with food. I have seen many a case of flu

> pushed into a pneumonia because some anxious grandmother insisted upon

> something " to give the child strength " , such as chicken broth or a thin

> starchy gruel, both liquids, of course, but protein and starch-just what

> the liver cannot handle at this point.

>

> THE TRUE CAUSE OF " INFECTIOUS " DISEASE

> >From Dr. Bieler's words we gain a little understanding of Natural

> Hygiene. So-called " infectious " diseases like chicken pox, measles, or

> whooping cough are actually inflammatory diseases. The symptoms during

> such illnesses should be viewed as eliminative crises. They may be very

> painful, but they're a necessary self-limiting process in which an

> accumulation of retained metabolic waste (dead cells that become toxic),

> and the residues of undigested, unassimilated foods are being purged from

> the body through vicarious (abnormal, inappropriate) channels such as the

> skin or lungs. So the familiar runny nose, cough, stiffness, fever, and

> numerous rashes, swellings, lesions, and eruptions through the skin are

> all manifestations of the same cause-which are not pathogenic microbes.

>

> Microbes like bacteria, for example, act as scavengers to consume the

> toxic wastes and the dead cells following inflammation. Their formation

> and growth do not precede the diseased state in the host, but rather

> emerge in its wake; and not exogenically-from say, an " infected "

> person-but rather endogenically, from the genetic material contained in a

> cell's nucleus after the cell's death and decomposition. Fortunately, a

> wide range of bacterial strains, or their genetic " blueprints " (e.g., the

> various cellular and sub cellular-or " filterable " -stages that bacteria

> cycle through), inhabit our bodies all the time in titers low enough that

> their waste products do not affect us. Recently reported villains like

> salmonella, e. coli, or streptococcus are enteric and ever-present inside

> us. The viruses associated with measles, polio, influenza, and all the

> rest are also present-both in health and disease-and may have only an

> associative relationship with the diseases, but no proven causative

> roles. (Incredibly, modern medicine still hasn't determined the mechanism

> by which a virus causes poliomyelitis.) But when we become toxemic and

> our blood loses its alkalinity, the pathogenic strains begin to flourish

> in the bodily waste that accumulates-even well before any outward

> symptoms (inflammation and elimination) begin to appear. Their morphology

> (strain and function) is determined by the type of waste that is present

> for them to feed upon.

>

> Symptoms are often triggered by a physiochemical or psychological

> " trauma " , such as exposure to cold or toxic chemicals, stress, lack of

> sleep, ingestion of spoiled meat, a sting or bite from an insect, or an

> injected vaccine. Why these diseases occur predominantly in children is

> best described by Dr. Bieler: " The childhood years should be the

> healthiest of all. It is during those early years that the endocrine

> glands and the liver are in their best functional capacity, giving the

> healthy child his natural state of exuberance, inexhaustible energy, and

> faultless elimination " . When elimination ends and symptoms subside,

> doctors will proclaim that the drug had " taken effect " . But they are

> confusing symptoms with cause; believing that the disappearance of the

> former equates to the disappearance of the latter. But obviously a cause

> and an effect cannot be one in the same. When you stop the body from

> discharging toxic waste, you are not stopping the disease; you are merely

> stopping the effects.

>

> But more importantly, when Allopathic physicians employ pain killers,

> fever suppressants, steroids and other drugs-which are sub-lethal doses

> of poisons-they have the effect of weakening the patient to the extent of

> checking elimination. This is a dangerous effect, because the waste

> products of these germs that have fed on the dead cells, together with

> the irritation from the toxins themselves may be absorbed into the blood,

> and irritating the already overworked liver-which is the detoxification

> center of the body. Antibiotics-which literally means " against life " -act

> chiefly by violently stimulating the adrenal glands. But if they are weak

> or depleted, the disease runs a chronic, often recurring course. In the

> aftermath of these germicides, there are also left fewer germs to convert

> waste, and no means to carry off and eliminate the dead cells. Not

> surprisingly, there are more deaths today from septicemia (blood

> poisoning caused by toxic waste from putrefactive bacteria) than there

> were before the use of antibiotics. (One of the boys from the MMWR report

> died from it.) Reactions from antibiotics include anaphylactic shock,

> aplastic anemia, and induced virulent infections. Deaths from penicillin

> still occurs today.

>

> CHICKEN POX DOESN'T KILL; DOCTORS KILL

> It's now plain to see why the children described in the afore-referenced

> MMWR had died. They were given numerous antibiotics, steroids,

> antipyretic and antipruritic medications and other fever suppressers,

> some administered directly into their bloodstreams. Probably they were

> given food to eat as well, even during the height of their inflammatory

> responses. The CDC admits that children don't die from chicken pox per

> se, but rather " complications " from chicken pox. But what they don't say

> is that these complications are all derived from acute blood toxemia

> established by the very treatments used by allopathic physicians.

>

> What does the CDC list as the most common complication? Pneumonia and

> secondary bacterial infections (caused by the antibiotics). Other

> complications, according to the CDC, include encephalitis (inflamed brain

> tissue mostly from the antipyretics), hemorrhagic complications (such as

> intestinal bleeding, are the most common symptoms of aspirin-an

> anticoagulant, or " blood thinner " ), hepatitis (congested and inflamed

> liver caused by the antipyretics), arthritis (decalcification of bone for

> the calcium needed to neutralize acidic blood, mostly caused by the

> aspirin), and Reye's syndrome (most commonly associated with giving

> aspirin to children that have chicken pox or influenza).

>

> Like aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs, acetaminophen (ie.

> Tylenol) will also burden the liver and kidneys and check the vital

> actions of the body to discharge waste from the blood. Acetaminophen

> poisoning is also common because it throws the chemistry of the liver

> off. In fact, it is the most common drug-induced cause of liver failure.

> It depletes hepatic glutathione, causing the toxic metabolite NAPQI to

> fail to conjugate, which leads to hepatic injury, and sometimes death.

>

> Therefore, to say that " death is a complication of chicken pox " , is like

> saying, " bleeding is a complication of holding a knife in your hand " :

> each event is neither contingent nor a consequence of the preceding one.

> Their association is artificial; requiring specific actions to take

> place. Actions that are in accord and mandated by standard medical

> practice.

>

> To promote the vaccine, the CDC proclaims that, " varicella (chicken pox)

> is the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in children in the

> United States. " But while the deaths are certainly preventable, they have

> nothing to do with the vaccine.

>

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>

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>

> Caanan, CT. (130 pages). The theories of the successful clinician,

> Tilden (1851-1940), who practiced conventional medicine for 18 years,

> then abandoned the use of all drugs to run a school and sanitarium in

> Denver. Describes toxemia as the basis of all diseases.- $5.50

>

> Natural Hygienic literature is also displayed at " www.soilandhealth.org " .

> ====================================================

>

> Appendix A:

>

> Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

> May 15, 1998 / Vol. 47/No. 18

>

> Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children

> Texas and Iowa notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella

> (chickenpox) that occurred in children during 1997

>

> Case 1

>

> On February 28, 1997, a previously healthy, unvaccinated 21-month-old boy

> developed a typical varicella rash. He had no reported exposure to

> varicella. On March 1, he was taken to a local emergency department (ED)

> with a high fever and was started on oral acetaminophen and

> diphenhydramine. On March 3, his primary-care physician prescribed oral

> acyclovir. On March 4, his mother noted a new petechial-like rash. The

> next morning, his primary-care physician noted lethargy, a purpuric rash,

> and poor perfusion. He was transferred to a local ED. Fluid resuscitation

> and intravenous ceftriaxone were initiated, but the child continued to

> deteriorate rapidly, requiring intubation, mechanical ventilation, and

> inotropic support with dopamine. Blood cultures were negative for

> bacterial pathogens. Laboratory tests indicated disseminated

> intravascular coagulation and severe dehydration. Approximately 1.5 hours

> after arrival at the ED, he was transported to a tertiary-care center.

> Within 10 minutes of arrival, he suffered cardiac arrest and died. The

> death was attributed to varicella with hemorrhagic complications.

>

> Case 2

>

> On December 21, 1997, a 5-year-old unvaccinated boy with a history of

> asthma was taken to a local ED with a fever of 104.5 F (40.3 C) and a

> typical varicella rash in multiple stages of healing. The child was

> treated with antipyretic and antipruritic medications and discharged.

>

> That evening, the boy developed mild dyspnea and was treated at home for

> a presumed asthma attack with metered-dose inhalers and one dose of oral

> prednisone. He returned to the ED on December 22 with shortness of breath

> and a 4-hour history of abdominal and leg pain. On presentation to the

> ED, one of the patient's siblings had active varicella and another had

> recently recovered from varicella. Physical examination revealed numerous

> chickenpox lesions, one of which appeared infected. He was tachypneic,

> and his extremities were mottled consistent with peripheral septic

> emboli. Chest and abdominal radiographs revealed a right pleural

> effusion, pneumonia, and mild ileus. Thoracostomy produced pleural fluid

> containing gram-positive cocci, confirmed 8 hours later to be group A

> Streptococcus (GAS). A peripheral blood sample revealed gram-positive

> cocci. He was admitted to the hospital and treated with intravenous

> ceftriaxone, nafcillin, and acyclovir.

>

> After admission, his breathing became labored and his extremities

> increasingly mottled. He rapidly developed hypotension, obtundation, and

> bradycardia. Despite efforts at cardiopulmonary resuscitation, the child

> died 5 hours after arriving at the ED. A post-mortem examination

> attributed the death to GAS septicemia, pneumonia, and pleural effusion,

> complicating varicella infection.

>

> Case 3

>

> On December 14, 1996, a previously healthy, unvaccinated 23-month-old boy

> developed fever and a typical varicella rash. Approximately 1-2 weeks

> earlier, his unvaccinated 4-year-old sibling had contracted varicella. He

> was taken to his physician on December 17 because of persistent fever and

> cellulitis of the left foot, and he was hospitalized on December 19 for

> failure to improve on an unspecified outpatient antibiotic regimen.

> Because his condition deteriorated despite intravenous methicillin and

> ceftriaxone, he was transferred to a regional hospital on December 21.

> Sepsis, possible viral meningoencephalitis, and mild pleural effusion

> were diagnosed. A cerebrospinal fluid examination revealed lymphocytic

> pleocytosis, and blood and urine cultures grew penicillin-resistant

> Staphylococcus aureus. Antibiotics were changed to nafcillin and

> gentamycin, and intravenous acyclovir was added on December 23. On

> December 24, the child developed an aortic insufficiency murmur, and an

> echocardiogram revealed a 9x9 mm vegetation on the aortic valve,

> consistent with bacterial endocarditis. Serial echocardiograms displayed

> growth of the vegetation and development of a pericardial effusion. He

> was transferred to a cardiac surgery center on December 26. While

> awaiting surgery, he developed refractive heart failure secondary to

> staphylococcal endocarditis. He became incoherent, probably secondary to

> a major embolic neurologic event, and died on January 8, 1997.

>

> ====================BOX======================

> CAPTION:

> In 1997, 3 deaths reported by two states did not occur from chicken pox,

> but rather from the unnecessary drugs they used to treat it.

> ==============================================

>

> =================================================

> We received positive responses from many who read, " Chicken Pox: Why Do

> Children Die?, from our 11/98-1/99 double issue. The following letter

> from Estrada, M.D. published in " Infections in Medicine® "

> supports Krasner's assertion that the complications that children

> die from are not caused by chicken pox per se, but rather from the the

> drugs that doctors use to " treat " chicken pox.

> -Sharon Kimmelman, Publisher, " Well Beings "

>

> Pediatric Bulletin Varicella and GAS: Do NSAIDs Fuel the Fire?

>

> Estrada, MD, University of South Alabama, Mobile, Ala.

>

> During the past decade, there has been an increase in the frequency of

> severe Group A beta-hemolytic streptococcal (GAS) infections in children.

> Factors associated with this development are an increase in the

> prevalence of exotoxin-producing serotypes and low herd immunity. The

> increase is due in part to the low rates of infection with these strains

> in the past.

>

> It has been noted in some series that severe invasive GAS infections such

> as necrotizing fasciitis (NF) and streptococcal toxic shock syndrome

> (STSS) are associated with preexisting varicella infections in up to 47%

> of patients ( CL et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J 15:151-156, 1996).

> Another possible association, this one between the use of nonsteroidal

> anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and severe GAS infection in children

> with varicella, has also been reported by several investigators. NSAIDs

> have been used to ameliorate the signs and symptoms of varicella, but the

> question of whether their use increases disease progression remains.

>

> The association between fulminant NF and the use of NSAIDs was reported

> by Rimailho and collaborators more than a decade ago (Rimailho et al: J

> Infect Dis 155:143-146, 1987). These investigators described fulminant

> disease in five patients treated with NSAIDs, which included aspirin,

> diclofenac, piroxicam, and nifluminic acid. Several studies have

> demonstrated the development of lymphopenia and decreased lymphocyte

> function in the presence of aspirin and other NSAIDs. It has also been

> shown that abnormal neutrophil chemotaxis, chemiluminescence, and

> lymphocyte transformation of PHA occurred when leukocytes from a patient

> with NF were exposed to NSAIDs. This information suggests that NSAIDs may

> decrease immune function and favor a widespread infection in patients

> infected with invasive strains of GAS ( RJ: South Med J 84:785-787,

> 1991).

>

> The association between the use of ibuprofen and the development of

> severe GAS infection in children with varicella was first reported by

> Brogan and colleagues (Brogan et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J 14:588-594,

> 1995) in a series in which five children developed GAS NF while receiving

> treatment with this NSAID. The investigators concluded that it may be

> prudent to limit the use of this drug for local complications of

> varicella, since it may impair granulocyte function and at the same time

> mask the signs of disease progression with GAS.

>

> Until recently, most of the evidence suggesting a potential association

> between the use of ibuprofen in patients with varicella and the

> development of GAS invasive disease was based on isolated case reports or

> data obtained from small case series. A recent study aimed at the

> evaluation of risk factors associated with the development of invasive

> GAS infection in patients with varicella found that the development of

> invasive disease with this bacteria was 8.3 times more likely in those

> patients in whom ibuprofen had been used during the first 5 days after

> the onset of varicella ( CL et al: Pediatr Infect Dis J

> 15:151-156, 1996).

>

> More recently, a case-controlled study was performed to determine whether

> ibuprofen use was associated with the development of NF in patients with

> varicella. This study included 19 children with varicella and NF and 29

> controls also diagnosed with varicella and a serious soft-tissue

> infection other than NF. Ibuprofen use before hospitalization was more

> likely in cases than in controls (42% vs 15%). Patients with NF

> complicated by renal insufficiency or STSS were also more likely to have

> used ibuprofen than those with uncomplicated NF. Although this study does

> not establish a direct causal relationship between ibuprofen use and the

> development of GAS NF in patients with varicella, the findings imply that

> an association may exist. The authors suggest that this association could

> either be due to a more severe GAS infection promoted by the

> immunoinhibitory effect of ibuprofen, or " masking " of the signs and

> symptoms of disease progression by the action of the same drug. Another

> possibility is that ibuprofen use could be only an indicator of more

> severe disease that required more aggressive anti-inflammatory management

> (Zerr DM et al: Pediatrics 103:783-790, 1999).

>

> These studies suggest that there is an association between the use of

> ibuprofen (and possibly other NSAIDs) in children with varicella and the

> development of severe invasive GAS infection. Until a definite causal

> relationship can be established or ruled out by future studies,

> practitioners should consider the potential risks of using these

> medications in children with varicella. Providing comfort for symptom

> relief through the administration of these drugs must be weighed against

> the potential for development of severe GAS disease.

>

> Dr. Estrada is Assistant Professor of Pediatrics, Division of Pediatric

> Infectious Diseases, University of South Alabama, Mobile, Ala.

> ======================================

>

> >

October 11, 1999

Hi and welcome!

This is a list where people discuss treatments that have or have not worked

for them. While we discuss experimental treatments as interferon,

immmunocal, ampligen, most people are not is formal studies. We are just

trying to help ourselves and each other!

Take care,

Christie

At 07:56 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: Lou B <fibrofoggy@...>

>

>Is this list only for people who are being

>experimented on by the medical profession? Or also

>people trying new things on their own?

>

October 11, 1999

Thank you Christie.....I've found a great product

called the CuddleEwe sleep pad......if anyone would

like to know about it let me know. I've had it for

abouit a week now and have never slept better.

Lou

ICQ 29648112

=====

October 11, 1999

Lou B wrote:

> From: Lou B <fibrofoggy@...>

>

> Thank you Christie.....I've found a great product

> called the CuddleEwe sleep pad......if anyone would

> like to know about it let me know. I've had it for

> abouit a week now and have never slept better.

>

> Lou

> ICQ 29648112

>

Hi Lou,

I would love to hear more about it! What is it? What does it do? Where do you

get it? How much does it cost?

Thanks for the info,

Marcia

October 11, 1999

Marcia, I have brochures I'll mail to anyone who wants

to private email me their mailing addresses.

Lou

fibrofoggy@...

ICQ 29648112

--- Marcia Grahn <mgrahn@...> wrote:

> From: Marcia Grahn <mgrahn@...>

>

> Lou B wrote:

>

> > From: Lou B <fibrofoggy@...>

> >

> > Thank you Christie.....I've found a great product

> > called the CuddleEwe sleep pad......if anyone

> would

> > like to know about it let me know. I've had it for

> > abouit a week now and have never slept better.

> >

> > Lou

> > ICQ 29648112

> >

>

> Hi Lou,

>

> I would love to hear more about it! What is it?

> What does it do? Where do you get it? How much does

> it cost?

>

> Thanks for the info,

>

> Marcia

>

> ---------------------------

October 12, 1999

Ditto!

Theresa

Re: question

>From: Marcia Grahn <mgrahn@...>

>

> Lou B wrote:

>

>> From: Lou B <fibrofoggy@...>

>>

>> Thank you Christie.....I've found a great product

>> called the CuddleEwe sleep pad......if anyone would

>> like to know about it let me know. I've had it for

>> abouit a week now and have never slept better.

>>

>> Lou

>> ICQ 29648112

>>

>

>Hi Lou,

>

>I would love to hear more about it! What is it? What does it do? Where do

you get it? How much does it cost?

>

>Thanks for the info,

>

>Marcia

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

October 25, 1999

Lehnanne,

You ask how we keep a stiff upper lip in the midst of all of this. I don't

know about anyone else, but I can tell you how my husband and I stay

afloat. It's very simple, we have God on our side and He does our worrying

for us.

Unfortunately there are people out there, like your husband's friend, who

choose to judge others from a point of ignorance. I've heard it all

before, about how the reactions to the shot are imagined and that everyone

is doing it to get out of the military. If you've noticed, the people who

are yelling the loudest in defense of the military are the one's who have

the most to lose. The military has convinced them that they can't live

without it. They can't afford to discover the truth, because that would

mean they would have to face it.

Continue to keep the faith, and I mean that quite literally.

God Bless,

Gretta

Question

From: sisternet@...

How do you all keep such a stiff upper lip in all of this ...

has been underway for a week and before he left he sent an email to

his best

friend who has been so since boot camp ... sent his new email

address for the boat and

told him what was going on ... today I recieved an email from this man ...

asking

that I ask my husband not to contact him anymore because he wanted nothing

to with a

traitor who would do something like this just to be a civillian!!! Someone

who didn't

trust his own government .. someone who thought they were the enemy ...

I sent him the url's to the anthrax info site .. but I don't think he will

ever change his mind ...

This man also told me to tell that his decision to refuse this shot

was stupid because

he would never find a job as a civillian because American companies won't

hire anyone

who has been dishonorable discharged...

In my response to him ... I just suggested that he find his spine and tell

himself ... that I and many others were very proud of the stand that he was

taking ...

and that if wanted OUT of the Navy there were plenty of easier

routes to take

than this one.

I am sorry ... I just had to vent .. should be calling me today ...

and I wanted to get this off my chest before I spoke with him .. we don't

get to talk much so I didnt want

to spend the time on this ....

I hope you all are doing well!!!

Lehnanne

October 25, 1999

Unfortunately, that kind of attitude in the military in American society

as a whole. Back when Reagan was our president and when we were in the

midst of the Cold War, my parents were often heckled as traitors, and

commies because of their strong views and outspokenness on U.S.

involvement in Central America. They even recieved death threats and I

had one teacher in high school, in front of the class call my father a

traitor and a pinko because he had read an article by my father that the

local newspaper had published where he criticized our backing of the El

Salvadoran government. In those days and even now, those attitudes

were and are prevalent. But since the Wacko debacle, and other such

occurances, our government is increasingly coming under the microscope

especially because of the internet, where mass communication of

information is readily accesible with no filters to limit information

like the conventional media (the press).

So don't be suprised if people call you a traitor. Just try to

tell them that you understand why they feel that way and that maybe you

would have once felt the same way. Then try to educate them with

documented information. Often you have to word advise in a way that

appeals to that person's ego. Like saying, " Well if you are very

certain in your knowledge about the government, maybe you can help me

out and show me where this information is incorrect " . It's kinda of

sneaky but it works. As they begin to research ways to prove the

information is false, I think that they'll quickly realize that it is

the DoD's info that doesn't add up. Our evidence is very hard to

refute. Our only weakness is the lack of hard numbers of how many

people are getting reactions. But we simply don't have the capability

to do that kind of thorough statistical research. Congress is the only

one that can make that happen. Aside from that we have overwhelming

documented evidence that the AVIP has serious problems in almost every

aspect. The laws regarding usage of experimental or questionable drugs

on servicemembers is also directly connected with this issue and we need

to fight it at every opportunity so that things like Gulf War Syndrome

never happen again. I say take the V-22 Osprey, the Comanche scout

helicopter, and a few F-22's off the budget, and use the money to

stockpile antibiotics, buy better NBC detection equipment and protection

equipment, and for training. Any country that is SUPREMELY STUPID

enough to unleash something like a genetically engineered

anti-biotic/vaccine resistant small pox virus that could possibly wipe a

good portion of the population off the face of the earth should be

NUKED if there is clear-cut evidence showing them responsible. Same

goes for any country that uses weapons of mass destruction to kill

massive numbers of civillians in a terrorist-type attack. The U.S.

should make that VERY VERY clear. Unfortunately we have not been very

clear about that and instead the Secretary of Defense whines about how

we are so weak and defenseless without our glorious Anthrax vaccine.

He's like advertising to all our enemies, " Hey look, we're seriously

weak in our defenses here, hit us with some really nasty bug we don't

have a vaccine against, or with one that our vaccine doesn't work

against " !

There is no better protection against biological weapons then good

NBC detection, protection, and decontamination equipment and the

training to use it quickly and effectively.

G.

sisternet@... wrote:

>

> From: sisternet@...

>

> How do you all keep such a stiff upper lip in all of this ...

> has been underway for a week and before he left he sent an email to

his best

> friend who has been so since boot camp ... sent his new email address

for the boat and

> told him what was going on ... today I recieved an email from this man ...

asking

> that I ask my husband not to contact him anymore because he wanted nothing to

with a

> traitor who would do something like this just to be a civillian!!! Someone who

didn't

> trust his own government .. someone who thought they were the enemy ...

> I sent him the url's to the anthrax info site .. but I don't think he will

ever change his mind ...

> This man also told me to tell that his decision to refuse this shot

was stupid because

> he would never find a job as a civillian because American companies won't hire

anyone

> who has been dishonorable discharged...

>

> In my response to him ... I just suggested that he find his spine ... "

October 25, 1999

In a message dated 10/25/99 10:10:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

sisternet@... writes:

<< Lehnanne >>

Lehanne,

Be like a duck and let it roll off your back. The decision is making

is a personal one. Your doing the best thing and that is supporting him.

Everyone is intitled to there opinions and to make there own choices. As far

as these people throwing stones, pray for them!! Rise above all the hatred

and name calling, chances are they are just as scared inside as anyone else

but most of all don't let them bring you down to there level. It's not worth

it and I know that you are better than that. In the end the truth will come

out and those that are taking the stand now will be the hero's of tomorrow.

In the mean time do what you are doing now is going to need all off

your love and support as he goes through this ordeal. You have many friends

some that you will never meet that are here for the both of you!

God Bless and Keep the Faith,

Robi

October 25, 1999

The old adage " A friend in need is a friend in deed. " You have found that

in 's time of need, this was not a friend, only someone who truly

does not care about , only appearances.

Keep the faith,

Dave

Question

From: sisternet@...

How do you all keep such a stiff upper lip in all of this ... has

been underway for a week and before he left he sent an email to his best

friend who has been so since boot camp ... sent his new email

address for the boat and told him what was going on ... today I recieved an

email from this man ... asking that I ask my husband not to contact him

anymore because he wanted nothing to with a traitor who would do something

like this just to be a civillian!!! Someone who didn't trust his own

government .. someone who thought they were the enemy ...I sent him the

url's to the anthrax info site .. but I don't think he will ever change his

mind ...This man also told me to tell that his decision to refuse

this shot was stupid because he would never find a job as a civillian

because American companies won't hire anyone who has been dishonorable

discharged...

In my response to him ... I just suggested that he find his spine and tell

himself ... that I and many others were very proud of the stand that he was

taking ...and that if wanted OUT of the Navy there were plenty of

easier routes to take than this one.

I am sorry ... I just had to vent .. should be calling me today

....and I wanted to get this off my chest before I spoke with him .. we don't

get to talk much so I didnt want to spend the time on this ....

I hope you all are doing well!!!

Lehnanne

October 25, 1999

G. and the List,

(I hope this one gets published)

Although I agree with alot of what you say, the answer

will never be to cut any of our defenseive weapons

platforms out of the budget. This would be the

ultimate sign of weakness. The only thing keeping us

from being targeted more by terriost is that they know

that the US will reander swift and fatle judgment on

any and all who would dare.

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA needs to quite worring

about everybody else and worry about us. We give

Billions of dollars a year to other countrys and spend

billions of dollars a year defending other countrys

that do not even want us there, if we saved just a

fraction of this money and put it in to research of

biological and chemical weapons detection and

treatment then all of what is going on now would not

be going on.

I to will be refusing to take the shots, this will end

a 11 year career that the government spent hundreds of

thousands of dollars to train.

This will also end my cilivian career since I have to

hold a security clearance to do my job.

(Myles)

Sra M. Bowman

163d ARW

California Air National Guard.

--- " G. " <chrisgie@...> wrote:

> I say take the V-22 Osprey,

> the Comanche scout

> helicopter, and a few F-22's off the budget, and use

> the money to

> stockpile antibiotics, buy better NBC detection

> equipment and protection

> equipment, and for training. Any country that is

> SUPREMELY STUPID

> enough to unleash something like a genetically

> engineered

> anti-biotic/vaccine resistant small pox virus that

> could possibly wipe a

> good portion of the population off the face of the

> earth should be

> NUKED if there is clear-cut evidence showing them

> responsible. Same

> goes for any country that uses weapons of mass

> destruction to kill

> massive numbers of civillians in a terrorist-type

> attack. The U.S.

> should make that VERY VERY clear. Unfortunately we

> have not been very

> clear about that and instead the Secretary of

> Defense whines about how

> we are so weak and defenseless without our glorious

> Anthrax vaccine.

>

> He's like advertising to all our enemies, " Hey look,

> we're seriously

> weak in our defenses here, hit us with some really

> nasty bug we don't

> have a vaccine against, or with one that our vaccine

> doesn't work

> against " !

>

> There is no better protection against biological

> weapons then good

> NBC detection, protection, and decontamination

> equipment and the

> training to use it quickly and effectively.

>

> G.

>

> sisternet@... wrote:

> >

> > From: sisternet@...

> >

> > How do you all keep such a stiff upper lip in all

> of this ...

> > has been underway for a week and before he

> left he sent an email to his best

> > friend who has been so since boot camp ...

> sent his new email address for the boat and

> > told him what was going on ... today I recieved an

> email from this man ... asking

> > that I ask my husband not to contact him anymore

> because he wanted nothing to with a

> > traitor who would do something like this just to

> be a civillian!!! Someone who didn't

> > trust his own government .. someone who thought

> they were the enemy ...

> > I sent him the url's to the anthrax info site ..

> but I don't think he will ever change his mind ...

> > This man also told me to tell that his

> decision to refuse this shot was stupid because

> > he would never find a job as a civillian because

> American companies won't hire anyone

> > who has been dishonorable discharged...

> >

> > In my response to him ... I just suggested that he

> find his spine ... "

>

<HR>

<html>

>

October 26, 1999

i have spent 6 years in the military and in april

2000, i will most likely be discharged but not before

i talk with my congress men, i am hoping they will

listen to my plea for survival, and allow me the grace

of a honorable discharge,

sincerely,

SRA Arthur ph Lafave jr

Pease ANGB, Portsmouth NH

157 security forces squardron

> G. and the List,

> (I hope this one gets published)

>

> Although I agree with alot of what you say, the

> answer

> will never be to cut any of our defenseive weapons

> platforms out of the budget. This would be the

> ultimate sign of weakness. The only thing keeping

> us

> from being targeted more by terriost is that they

> know

> that the US will reander swift and fatle judgment on

> any and all who would dare...... "

October 26, 1999

I am surprised you received this kind of response. Since my son, ,

refused the shot he has had nothing but praise from everyone. But there are

a few uninformed people out there that don't know what they are talking

about.

was court martialed, given thirty days in the brig and a bad conduct

discharge. He would refuse the shot all over again even if he knew this was

the way it would turn out. He is home now with his health. As for American

companies caring about what kind of discharge, when they find out just

refused a shot they don't care. wanted to be a police officer and

even the Dallas police department didn't care about his BCD. They evaulate

them on a case by case basis. He has since decided since spending 25 days

in the brig that he would rather be a diesel mechanic than a police officer.

So some good comes from everything.

It is my understanding they cannot get a dishonorable discharge for refusing

the shot. Believe me if the Marines could have given a BCD they

would. You and your husband stay strong. It won't be easy but it will be

worth it. If you need to vent, I am here for you.

Contact your local representative and make someone in his office your best

friend, if possible. Whatever discharge he receives can be upgraded after

he gets out.

Good Luck

Deanna Austin

Question

> From: sisternet@...

>

> How do you all keep such a stiff upper lip in all of this ...

> has been underway for a week and before he left he sent an email

to his best

> friend who has been so since boot camp ... sent his new email

address for the boat and

> told him what was going on ... today I recieved an email from this man ...

asking

> that I ask my husband not to contact him anymore because he wanted nothing

to with a

> traitor who would do something like this just to be a civillian!!! Someone

who didn't

> trust his own government .. someone who thought they were the enemy ...

> I sent him the url's to the anthrax info site .. but I don't think he will

ever change his mind ...

> This man also told me to tell that his decision to refuse this

shot was stupid because

> he would never find a job as a civillian because American companies won't

hire anyone

> who has been dishonorable discharged...

>

> In my response to him ... I just suggested that he find his spine and tell

> himself ... that I and many others were very proud of the stand that he

was taking ...

> and that if wanted OUT of the Navy there were plenty of easier

routes to take

> than this one.

>

> I am sorry ... I just had to vent .. should be calling me today

....

> and I wanted to get this off my chest before I spoke with him .. we don't

get to talk much so I didnt want

> to spend the time on this ....

>

> I hope you all are doing well!!!

>

> Lehnanne

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