Question

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

If you use it to make kefir or water kefir it will kill the organisms that

you are growing.

Bonnie

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:02 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: question

Using honey to ferment the old English drink called Mead, or honey wine,

clearly shows honey is not very antibacterial.

Like sugar, I think it has to be put on a wound full strength to kill

infection.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Ronna,

> The honey kills the bacteria, its antibacterial. You can't use honey in

any

> fermentation process. I make milk and water kefir and I always tell anyone

> that I give the water kefir grains to that you can't use honey, only

sugar.

>

> Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I looked up Honey, for grins, in Wikipedia and have copied some of the facts

....

" Most micro-organisms do not grow in honey because of its low water activity

of 0.6.

For at least 2700 years, honey has been used by humans to treat a variety of

ailments through topical application, but only recently have the antiseptic

and antibacterial properties of honey been chemically explained.

Wound gels that contain antibacterial raw honey and have regulatory approval

for wound care are now available to help conventional medicine in the battle

against drug resistant strains of bacteria MRSA. As an antimicrobial agent

honey may have the potential for treating a variety of ailments. One New

Zealand researcher says a particular type of honey (Manuka honey) may be

useful in treating MRSA infections. Antibacterial properties of honey are

the result of the low water activity causing osmosis, hydrogen peroxide

effect, high acidity, and the antibacterial activity of methylglyoxal.

Honey appears to be effective in killing drug-resistant biofilms which are

implicated in chronic rhinosinusitis. "

It has antibacterial properties. It seems the active cultures in yogurt

must be intolerant to those properties in the honey.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:31 PM, joehomps <jh@...> wrote:

>

>

> Honey is not that antibacterial, or else it will kill all the bacteria in

> your intestine if you drink it.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Ronna,

> > > The honey kills the bacteria, its antibacterial. You can't use honey in

> any

> > > fermentation process. I make milk and water kefir and I always tell

> anyone

> > > that I give the water kefir grains to that you can't use honey, only

> sugar.

> > >

> > > Bonnie

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know but I'm sure glad he does. I feel for all these people that are starving on a liquid diet before AND after their surgery.http://mwlj2010.blogspot.com/

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Adrienne Nielsen <adrienne_nielsen@...> wrote:

 

Question:

Why does Dr. Aceves have a High Protien pre-op diet when other Dr. have a liquid pre-op diet?

[Guest guest]

Hi, - the band itself is around the stomach which is in the upper part of

the chest next to the heart, and behind the upper rib cage. Not much could ever

hurt it there.

the port can be placed several places, usually just above or just bwlow the

waist. Sometimes an inch or two below the sternum in the lower middle of the

chest. The port is often easily felt and seen, especially after we lose weight

and it becomes very superficial. Once it is healed, it is very secure and can't

easily be damaged. I personally could not lay on that side for a month after my

band surgery (it was too sore) , but I know others needed only a few days of

healing.

Once it's healed, any position and any activity is fine. You might possibly get

a little bruised if the port takes a hard direct hit from something like

racquetball - but it will be the tissues that get bruised. It's very unlikely

the port itself would be damaged.

Sandy

>

> Does it hurt to sleep on your stomach with the lapband? I have noticed

sometimes when I do that in the mornings it feels tight or perhaps swollen?

Does anyone else notice this? I read the post daily and I appreciate everyones

emails. Everyone of you help me on a daily basis. Thank You!

>

[Guest guest]

a bit more - the am tightness some feel is largely due to dehydration, and

sometimes a bit from overnight sinus drainage and mucous. It should have nothing

to do with sleep positions.

Be sure you're getting at least the minimum of 100 oz a day of fluid, to prevent

dehydration and thick muscou, have a glass of fluid an hour before bedtime (many

band reasons for this band rule) and a cup of hot liquid first thing in the

morning to help am tightness.

Sandy

>

> Does it hurt to sleep on your stomach with the lapband? I have noticed

sometimes when I do that in the mornings it feels tight or perhaps swollen?

Does anyone else notice this? I read the post daily and I appreciate everyones

emails. Everyone of you help me on a daily basis. Thank You!

>

[Guest guest]

I know honey as an antibiotic is put on the wound full strength. I think it's

only that the antibacterial effect of the honey is not potent when watered down

several parts. Sugar works that way too, and we use sugar for fermentation more

than as an antibiotic, just as we use honey.

all good,

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Ronna,

> > > > The honey kills the bacteria, its antibacterial. You can't use honey in

> > any

> > > > fermentation process. I make milk and water kefir and I always tell

> > anyone

> > > > that I give the water kefir grains to that you can't use honey, only

> > sugar.

> > > >

> > > > Bonnie

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have made mead several times. yhe grapes have lots and lots of

sugar, so that might alter the ecosystem enough that mead ferments.

Also, yeast used in mead may be better able to handle fermenting honey

than the bacteria or yeasts in kefir.

Alobar

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Using honey to ferment the old English drink called Mead, or honey wine,

clearly shows honey is not very antibacterial.

>

> Like sugar, I think it has to be put on a wound full strength to kill

infection.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>>

>> Ronna,

>> The honey kills the bacteria, its antibacterial.  You can't use honey in any

>> fermentation process.  I make milk and water kefir and I always tell anyone

>> that I give the water kefir grains to that you can't use honey, only sugar.

>>

>> Bonnie

>

>

[Guest guest]

After I emailed with you the other day and the more I though about it, you are

right. I have been with a personal trainer for over 3 years, and we work out

hard, but I've lost nothing. I'm stronger than I was, but I agree, eating more

hasn't worked for us yet.

If you think about all those calories we've stored as fat, if we never give our

bodies a chance to burn the fat, we just never will get rid of it.

It's all about energy in and out....right!

>

> >

> >

> > Before the sleeve, I lived on Weight Watchers...not that it did any good.

> >

> > Anyway, we were always told that you had to eat enough calories (points) or

> > your body would go into survival mode and start hanging onto the weight

> > making it even harder to lose.

> >

> > So my question, why is that different with the sleeve? How is it we can

> > live on 500-700 calories and our bodies not start working against us?

> >

> > ~

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have never tried honey... but I have heard it's ok to use it & it is NOT ok

to use it. LOL good luck!

Patti

________________________________

From: Bonnie <bonniesherbals@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 1:17:31 PM

Subject: RE: Re: question

Duncan,

If you use it to make kefir or water kefir it will kill the organisms that

you are growing.

Bonnie

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:02 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: question

Using honey to ferment the old English drink called Mead, or honey wine,

clearly shows honey is not very antibacterial.

Like sugar, I think it has to be put on a wound full strength to kill

infection.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Ronna,

> The honey kills the bacteria, its antibacterial. You can't use honey in

any

> fermentation process. I make milk and water kefir and I always tell anyone

> that I give the water kefir grains to that you can't use honey, only

sugar.

>

> Bonnie

[Guest guest]

A girly girl after my own heart! ;o)Logic, isn't it great?On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:10 PM, cn2367 <carolnorth@...> wrote:

 

After I emailed with you the other day and the more I though about it, you are right. I have been with a personal trainer for over 3 years, and we work out hard, but I've lost nothing. I'm stronger than I was, but I agree, eating more hasn't worked for us yet.

If you think about all those calories we've stored as fat, if we never give our bodies a chance to burn the fat, we just never will get rid of it.

It's all about energy in and out....right!

[Guest guest]

I'm a year and 2 months out and my port still gets sore from crunches or bending

alot. It's a couple inches under my ribs and it seems to get " snagged " by my

ribs. I wasn't able to sleep on my tummy or that side for about 3 months after

surgery (I guess I'm a wimp lol)

Twana

Banded 04/17/09 in TN

291/250/195/180

consult/surgery/now/goal

>

> >

> > Does it hurt to sleep on your stomach with the lapband? I have noticed

sometimes when I do that in the mornings it feels tight or perhaps swollen?

Does anyone else notice this? I read the post daily and I appreciate everyones

emails. Everyone of you help me on a daily basis. Thank You!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm almost 4 years out and still get twinges from my port if I move wrong.

From: twohearts_carrier@...

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:36:48 +0000

Subject: Re: question

I'm a year and 2 months out and my port still gets sore from crunches or bending

alot. It's a couple inches under my ribs and it seems to get " snagged " by my

ribs. I wasn't able to sleep on my tummy or that side for about 3 months after

surgery (I guess I'm a wimp lol)

Twana

Banded 04/17/09 in TN

291/250/195/180

consult/surgery/now/goal

>

> >

> > Does it hurt to sleep on your stomach with the lapband? I have noticed

sometimes when I do that in the mornings it feels tight or perhaps swollen? Does

anyone else notice this? I read the post daily and I appreciate everyones

emails. Everyone of you help me on a daily basis. Thank You!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ellen - regarding two of your e-mails - according to the definitions that I know, cll is a non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

The people that you met who said that they had non-Hodgkin and that it was curable might have been speaking about an aggressive lymphoma, such as DLBCL, which is curable. The chronic ones generally are not.

In a message dated 6/29/2010 9:21:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rhudy@... writes:

How often does cll spontaneously transform in someone tx.-naive toeither non-Hodgkin's or Hodgkin's lymphoma?Thanks,Ellen R.

[Guest guest]

The classification of CLL as a NHL goes back to a meeting in 1982 in Paris,

before we had any genetic information. The REAL and WHO also classify it as a

NHL.

CLL is probably not an NHL and it will take a few years for the organizations

to get it straight.

There are many types of NHL and there is no cure, unless you consider a HSCT a

cure.

SLL is closer to NHL than CLL, because it starts in the lymph system.

NHL is treated with many of the same chemo as is used for CLL, primarily Rituxan

, which works far better in NHL than CLL.

More Info Here:

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/prod_consump/groups/cr_common/@cah/@gen/documents/g\

eneralcontent/treating-non-hodgkins-lymphoma.pdf

>

> Ellen - regarding two of your e-mails - according to the definitions that I

> know, cll is a non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

>

> The people that you met who said that they had non-Hodgkin and that it was

> curable might have been speaking about an aggressive lymphoma, such as

> DLBCL, which is curable. The chronic ones generally are not.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/29/2010 9:21:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> rhudy@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> How often does cll spontaneously transform in someone tx.-naive to

> either non-Hodgkin's or Hodgkin's lymphoma?

> Thanks,

> Ellen R.

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for that explanation. you sound like you really know these diseases well. Would you mind if I asked if your are a physician or in healthcare?

Thank you

Re: question

In CLL a transformation to NHL is called a Richter's Transformation a form of DLBC. Current figures indicate this happens in about 4% of CLL cases, higher is some studies.There are other forms of CLL to NHL and sometimes patients can have both CLL and NHL in parallel.RT may be triggered by viral infections, such as Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). Trisomy 12 and chromosome 11 abnormalities, as well as multiple genetic defects, have been described in patients with RS.The prognosis for patients is very poor and their OS is about 10 months. Standard treatment is R-CHOP.More Here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16616072~chris--- In , Ellen <rhudy@...> wrote:>> How often does cll spontaneously transform in someone tx.-naive to> either non-Hodgkin's or Hodgkin's lymphoma?> Thanks,> Ellen R.>

[Guest guest]

Bravo! Keep up the good work.

[Guest guest]

Thank you and all the wealth of information we are privy to because of the internet. Great people and great info is at the touch of a finger. I have had Cll since 2002 and I would have gone nuts without all the information available. Thank you

Re: question

I have been a CLL patient for 12 years. Much of that time I have spent researchingthis bloody cancer and sharing my findings with the CLL community.I run then CLL CANADA website and have worked as an advocate for the adoption ofadvanced CLL therapies in Canada for the past 8 years.~chrishttp://cllcanada.ca> >> > How often does cll spontaneously transform in someone tx.-naive to> > either non-Hodgkin's or Hodgkin's lymphoma?> > Thanks,> > Ellen R.> >>

[Guest guest]

IVIG is normally used for those with constant and / or severe infections.PatOn Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Ellen <rhudy@...> wrote:

 

I have hypogammaglobunemia, yet I never get sick.............there's 2

kinds of immunity, cell-mediated and humoral. So I think my

cell-mediated immunity must be strong. I also take probiotics, which

fight with bad bacteria, they're our little helpers. And I take a

product called " Immunity Take Care, " which is a concentrated and

standardized elderberry extract. It's potent, and since I've been

taking it, my once nearly constant herpes outbreaks are rare. I've only

had 2 mild colds in the last 2 years. My question is

this................does one need to have IVIG infusions with low IGs if

they don't have infections? I've never had conventional tx..

Thanks,

Ellen R.

[Guest guest]

I am not allergic but I have autoimmune illnes SM

Rysiek

Question

From my own experience, I'm pretty sure it is not a good idea to use Lugol's if you are allergic to it. Dr. Brownstein suggests you might try NAET (Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique) if you have a real iodine allergy. I had to do this. It was successful! And now I can return to using Lugol's on my skin without getting a rash. B.

[Guest guest]

with auto-immune look at low dose naltrexone

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Ryszard Pilch <rysiek@...> wrote:

 

I am not allergic but I have autoimmune illnes SM

Rysiek

 

 

Question

 

From my own experience, I'm pretty sure it is not a good idea to use Lugol's if you are allergic to it.  Dr. Brownstein suggests you might try NAET (Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique) if you have a real iodine allergy.  I had to do this.  It was successful!  And now I can return to using Lugol's on my skin without getting a rash.

B.

[Guest guest]

My daughter and I both have autoimmune problems and take iodine without any issues.LinnOn Jul 4, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Ryszard Pilch wrote:

I am not allergic but I have autoimmune illnes SM

Rysiek

Question

From my own experience, I'm pretty sure it is not a good idea to use Lugol's if you are allergic to it. Dr. Brownstein suggests you might try NAET (Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Technique) if you have a real iodine allergy. I had to do this. It was successful! And now I can return to using Lugol's on my skin without getting a rash. B.

[Guest guest]

I have 3 autoimmune problems and no issues with iodine. It's an excellent

support to have on board.

--

At 01:08 PM 7/4/2010, you wrote:

>My daughter and I both have autoimmune problems and take iodine without

>any issues.

>

>Linn

>

>On Jul 4, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Ryszard Pilch wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>I am not allergic but I have autoimmune illnes SM

>>Rysiek

>>

>>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

I allowed this through to see if there was any hang ups and there doesn't appear

to be. So welcome to the group.

BTW I never got any emails.

>

> Is anyone on the web site for scoliosis forum? I joined and did everything

they said over a month ago and while I can go to the forum, log in, view posts,

I still have not been " approved " to be able to ask questions or post replys. I

have sent a couple of messages to whom ever runs the site but no response.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

If you are referring to " scoliosis@groups " it is an old forum that hasn't

been active for well over a year and a half. I don't even know who the moderator

of that group is.

S.

Question

Is anyone on the web site for scoliosis forum? I joined and did everything they

said over a month ago and while I can go to the forum, log in, view posts, I

still have not been " approved " to be able to ask questions or post replys. I

have sent a couple of messages to whom ever runs the site but no response.

[Guest guest]

Hello, ,

It appears that you have been approved, as your note was posted.

How are you doing?  Tell us about yourself.

 

Welcome to the group!

 

Lana (surgery T2 to L5, 2002, pain free)

From: autumqueen <autumqueen@...>

Subject: Question

Scoliosis Treatment

Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 8:43 AM

 

Is anyone on the web site for scoliosis forum? I joined and did everything they

said over a month ago and while I can go to the forum, log in, view posts, I

still have not been " approved " to be able to ask questions or post replys. I

have sent a couple of messages to whom ever runs the site but no response.