Re: To read abstract lowering cholesterol up to 30%

[Guest guest]

Great information. It looks like the info agrees with CR plans? What

is the groups opinion on the use of plant sterol margarine such as

ProActive as a substitute for butter?

[Guest guest]

Hi :

My reaction to your question is: " Why do you need a substitute for

butter? " In almost all cases where butter is used there is no need

at all to use it (or ANY substitute for it for that matter). Just

omit it. (It may take a few weeks to get used to the new taste).

The only reason you think you need it is because you have been raised

since birth seeing people slap unnecessary lumps butter of all kinds

of things.

The exception, in my opinion, is when it is CRITICAL to the flavor of

some exotic recipe (meunière, for example). So, about once a year, I

have no qualms putting butter in sole meunière when I am serving it

to non-diet-conscious guests. There are other recipes, so I probably

consume butter half a dozen times a year.

Rodney.

> Great information. It looks like the info agrees with CR plans?

What

> is the groups opinion on the use of plant sterol margarine such as

> ProActive as a substitute for butter?

[Guest guest]

Rodney: If you read post 11980 regarding lowering cholesterol 30%

The Portfolio Eating Plan (which seems to me to agree with CR

guidelines) has as one of it's main steps using plant sterol

enriched margarines as one of the methods to reduce cholesterol. So

it sounds like in this case it would be wise to use this spread. I

don't know why margarine was picked to enrich with plant sterol. The

FDA has an advisory out allowing these margarines enriched with

plant sterol to say that they have been proven to significantly

lower Cholesterol. (In a search engine type: FDA authorizes new

coronary heart disease health claims for plant sterol) I did note

that UC did a study on plant sterol enriched orange juice but

don't know if that study is as conclusive as the margarine studies

and don't know if you can buy the enriched orange juice (I have a

call in to UCD to find out) Any educated advice on this issue I'd

appreciate.

[Guest guest]

>>i don't know why margarine was picked to enrich with plant sterol.

Probably because its a product thats easy to get people to consume. In one of

the famous studies on Omega 3s, they did a similar thing, they supplied the

omega 3s in the form of an enriched margarine/spread.

2 TB of Benecol Regular is 160 calories and contains Hydrogenated oils.

>>I did note that UC did a study on plant sterol enriched orange juice but

don't know if that study is as conclusive as the margarine studies

and don't know if you can buy the enriched orange juice

Yes, the studies showed similar results. You can buy the orange juice enriched

with plant sterols. The only one out there right now is by Minute Maid. It is

called Minute Maid Premium Heart Wise Orange Juice provides 1 grm per 8 oz.

Recommended is 16 oz a day which is 220 calories.

In addition, Benecol recently released Benecol Gel Caps. 4 Soft Gels a day

provided 4 grams of plant stanols and are only 10 calories.

Calorie for calorie, the Gel Caps are the way to go. Right now, the only place

to get them is from the Benecol website or from Walmart, who has the exclusive

rights to distribute them as of now.

[Guest guest]

I have a 2 page word document that is an overview of these plant sterol products

and lists the ingredients and nutritional info for them but am not sure if an

attachement will go through.

let me know

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi :

My principal concern with most margarines is the apparent link

between alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) and prostate cancer. Many of

these " NEW IMPROVED " margarines are made from canola, soybean or flax

oils which are loaded with ALA.

Wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole until this issue is cleared

up. Of course the jury is still out on this one. Perhaps eventually

ALA will get exonerated. But there are several studies that seem to

show a link.

Rodney.

> Rodney: If you read post 11980 regarding lowering cholesterol 30%

> The Portfolio Eating Plan (which seems to me to agree with CR

> guidelines) has as one of it's main steps using plant sterol

> enriched margarines as one of the methods to reduce cholesterol. So

> it sounds like in this case it would be wise to use this spread. I

> don't know why margarine was picked to enrich with plant sterol.

The

> FDA has an advisory out allowing these margarines enriched with

> plant sterol to say that they have been proven to significantly

> lower Cholesterol. (In a search engine type: FDA authorizes new

> coronary heart disease health claims for plant sterol) I did note

> that UC did a study on plant sterol enriched orange juice but

> don't know if that study is as conclusive as the margarine studies

> and don't know if you can buy the enriched orange juice (I have a

> call in to UCD to find out) Any educated advice on this issue I'd

> appreciate.

[Guest guest]

Jeff: Thanks loads for the info. Seems like if the info I am reading

is accurate, everyone should be getting plant sterol from some

source. I imagine soy has plant sterol in it but is the problem that

you would need to eat huge amounts to receive adequate benefit?

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi :

>

> My principal concern with most margarines is the apparent link

> between alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) and prostate cancer. Many of

> these " NEW IMPROVED " margarines are made from canola, soybean or

flax

> oils which are loaded with ALA.

>

> Wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole until this issue is

cleared

> up. Of course the jury is still out on this one. Perhaps

eventually

> ALA will get exonerated. But there are several studies that seem

to

> show a link.

>

> Rodney.

> Rodney: Thanks for the info. It seems odd that

Margarine was

picked to add plant Sterol too. Especially in light of

the

ALA problem you refer to and high fat and Hydrogenated

oils.

Post # 12002 states: " The normal dietary intake of

plant

sterols, which are found mostly in cooking oils and

margarine, is 200-400mg a day. " Are they saying that

cooking

oils and margarine have naturally appearing plant

sterols?

Rodney: What do you think of getting Plant Sterol from

Gell

Tabs or ornage juice?

>

> --- In , " johnr9q " <johnr9q@y...>

wrote:

> > Rodney: If you read post 11980 regarding lowering cholesterol

30%

> > The Portfolio Eating Plan (which seems to me to agree with CR

> > guidelines) has as one of it's main steps using plant sterol

> > enriched margarines as one of the methods to reduce cholesterol.

So

> > it sounds like in this case it would be wise to use this spread.

I

> > don't know why margarine was picked to enrich with plant sterol.

> The

> > FDA has an advisory out allowing these margarines enriched with

> > plant sterol to say that they have been proven to significantly

> > lower Cholesterol. (In a search engine type: FDA authorizes new

> > coronary heart disease health claims for plant sterol) I did

note

> > that UC did a study on plant sterol enriched orange juice

but

> > don't know if that study is as conclusive as the margarine

studies

> > and don't know if you can buy the enriched orange juice (I have

a

> > call in to UCD to find out) Any educated advice on this issue

I'd

> > appreciate.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi :

>

> My principal concern with most margarines is the apparent link

> between alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) and prostate cancer. Many of

> these " NEW IMPROVED " margarines are made from canola, soybean or

flax

> oils which are loaded with ALA.

>

> Wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole until this issue is

cleared

> up. Of course the jury is still out on this one. Perhaps

eventually

> ALA will get exonerated. But there are several studies that seem

to

> show a link.

Hi All,

Please see the pdf available from which is taken:

PMID: 15051847 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Intake of very-long chain (n-3) PUFA as present in fish is

not related to an increased risk of prostate cancer in epidemi-ologic

or animal studies. There are even indications that high

intakes of very-long chain (n-3) PUFA from fish may protect

against prostate cancer (31). Data from clinical trials and

prospective studies showed that moderate-to-high intake of

(n-3) fatty acids from fish reduces the risk of total mortality by

at least 20% (1,2,16). Therefore, fish should be the first rec-

ommended

source of (n-3) fatty acids. However, ALA could

provide an alternative for those subjects who are at high risk

of cardiovascular disease and who, for various reasons, do not

want to consume fish. Another advantage of increased use of

ALA instead of (n-3) fatty acids from fish would be the lower

burden on the environment. Use of ALA instead of fish fatty

acids could help to prevent depletion of the oceans from

certain fish species.

ALA consumption might have a substantial effect on heart

disease mortality, but the positive association between intake

of ALA and prostate cancer is of concern and requires further

study. Double-blind, randomized clinical trials are required to

provide definitive answers on ALA intake and heart disease.

Such trials will lack the power to detect effects of ALA intake

on prostate cancer, but studies of prostate-specific antigen may

provide a surrogate marker. In the meantime, very long-chain

(n-3) fatty acids from fish should remain the recommended

source of (n-3) fatty acids in the prevention of heart disease.

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I am not well informed on the plant sterol issue. Best get your

advice on this from someone more knowledgeable about it than me! :

^ )))

Rodney.

> > > Rodney: If you read post 11980 regarding lowering cholesterol

> 30%

> > > The Portfolio Eating Plan (which seems to me to agree with CR

> > > guidelines) has as one of it's main steps using plant sterol

> > > enriched margarines as one of the methods to reduce

cholesterol.

> So

> > > it sounds like in this case it would be wise to use this

spread.

> I

> > > don't know why margarine was picked to enrich with plant

sterol.

> > The

> > > FDA has an advisory out allowing these margarines enriched with

> > > plant sterol to say that they have been proven to significantly

> > > lower Cholesterol. (In a search engine type: FDA authorizes new

> > > coronary heart disease health claims for plant sterol) I did

> note

> > > that UC did a study on plant sterol enriched orange juice

> but

> > > don't know if that study is as conclusive as the margarine

> studies

> > > and don't know if you can buy the enriched orange juice (I have

> a

> > > call in to UCD to find out) Any educated advice on this issue

> I'd

> > > appreciate.