Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > What does that mean, dirty electricity. " Clean electricity " is simply the pure 50hz/60hz signal that appliances, etc. need to work. However, this clean signal can become " dirty " when noise is added to it. This noise comes from motors, radio waves, dimmer switches, computers, florescent lights, etc. To some extent, this dirty electricity can be cleaned up using power filters. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my electricity? Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: dirty electricity Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 7:18 AM > What does that mean, dirty electricity. " Clean electricity " is simply the pure 50hz/60hz signal that appliances, etc. need to work. However, this clean signal can become " dirty " when noise is added to it. This noise comes from motors, radio waves, dimmer switches, computers, florescent lights, etc. To some extent, this dirty electricity can be cleaned up using power filters. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than > another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my > electricity? Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be " riding " on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: dirty electricity Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:22 AM > So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than > another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my > electricity? Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be " riding " on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni Do you mean that you have appliances turned off, or the power is turned off at the fusebox? I assume you've had your outlets checked, to make sure they are wired properly? I assume you've tried unplugging things one-by-one, to see if it's simply one piece of electrical equipment in your house that is dirtying the rest of the house? (note that it could also be any compact flourescent lights, any dimmer switches, anything with a motor in it... even certain power strips can cause agitation). I know you've tried the Quantum Home, which did not help but can relieve some symptoms of bad electricity in the house. Have you tried the Stetzerizer filters, which can help with some types of dirty electricity? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I turned almost everything off at the fuse box. Even the fridge because it is a big problem for me. I have the dryer on & the electric in the den so I can be on this computer now. That's pretty much it. I am in a room that is furthest away from the rooms with the highest RF readings. Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about 2 or 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life really is sucky for me. Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: dirty electricity Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:51 AM > Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni Do you mean that you have appliances turned off, or the power is turned off at the fusebox? I assume you've had your outlets checked, to make sure they are wired properly? I assume you've tried unplugging things one-by-one, to see if it's simply one piece of electrical equipment in your house that is dirtying the rest of the house? (note that it could also be any compact flourescent lights, any dimmer switches, anything with a motor in it... even certain power strips can cause agitation). I know you've tried the Quantum Home, which did not help but can relieve some symptoms of bad electricity in the house. Have you tried the Stetzerizer filters, which can help with some types of dirty electricity? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about 2 or > 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life > really is sucky for me. Loni So it sounds to me like you might be able to make the house tolerable by " cleaning up " the noise in the electricity running through your house. Either with power filtering power strips plugged into the most offensive appliances (fridge, etc.), or with standalone plug-in Stetzerizer filters. BTW, did you ever receive the Bio-Protect card I sent you, Loni? If it didn't work by having it on your person, I suppose you could try taping it to your fusebox.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal with. Yes I did get the card, thank you. Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: dirty electricity Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:17 AM > Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about 2 or > 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life > really is sucky for me. Loni So it sounds to me like you might be able to make the house tolerable by " cleaning up " the noise in the electricity running through your house. Either with power filtering power strips plugged into the most offensive appliances (fridge, etc.), or with standalone plug-in Stetzerizer filters. BTW, did you ever receive the Bio-Protect card I sent you, Loni? If it didn't work by having it on your person, I suppose you could try taping it to your fusebox.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal with. Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on. That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building a whole new structure on the property. The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places. These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places which sell the filters at $30 each: http://lessemf.com/suppress.html http://www.lifeenergies.com/products/products.htm#hardware http://www.dirtyelectricity.ca/graham-stetzer_filters.htm Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with the linear filtering technology. Plugging your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house. The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the Furman PST-8: http://www.aiconsol.com/pst-8-furman.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I agree with Marc's advice overall. But technically, if you have RF on a power line caused by a transmitter, a lot of it will be common mode (hot and neutral wires in phase), and the GS filter is of no use. Even the Furman does not give specs for common mode filtering, which may mean it does nothing. Cell phone frequencies don't go very far on wires so those are probably not an issue with dirty power. I think AM radio signals can be an issue, probably TV too if you're near a transmitter. But a common problem is sparking or micro-arcing on the power lines themselves, which cause noise from about 1 MHz to nearly 1 GHz. Hold a radio near a power cord with *all* your breakers off. If there's still a buzz it's definitely dirty power coming from outside. It could be the neighbors or the power company's fault. Sometimes the power company can tighten connectors, remove debris, replace bad connectors, and the problem is solved. Bill On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote: > > Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal > with. > > Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power > turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to > tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on. > That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building > a whole new structure on the property. > > The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places. > These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near > the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places > which sell the filters at $30 each: > > http://lessemf.com/suppress.html > http://www.lifeenergies.com/products/products.htm#hardware > http://www.dirtyelectricity.ca/graham-stetzer_filters.htm > > Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although > personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters > make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with > the linear filtering technology. Plugging > your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it > generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house. > The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the > Furman PST-8: > > http://www.aiconsol.com/pst-8-furman.html > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Oh, and I see that Furman power strip is $10 cheaper here: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FUPST8 Audio/Video stores are also obsessed with power line noise, but for different reasons than we are... :-) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Ahhh, getting too complicated for my chemically injurred brain. Loni > > Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal > with. > > Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power > turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to > tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on. > That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building > a whole new structure on the property. > > The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places. > These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near > the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places > which sell the filters at $30 each: > > http://lessemf. com/suppress. html > http://www.lifeener gies.com/ products/ products. htm#hardware > http://www.dirtyele ctricity. ca/graham- stetzer_filters. htm > > Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although > personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters > make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with > the linear filtering technology. Plugging > your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it > generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house. > The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the > Furman PST-8: > > http://www.aiconsol .com/pst- 8-furman. html > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > Ahhh, getting too complicated for my chemically injurred brain. Loni Heh, heh.. yes, I'm not too clear on what " common mode " noise is either... I just try things, and see if they help. :-) I guess if one needs common mode noise rejection, then you could get something like the $20 TDK ANF-106U Plug-in RFI Filters sold on this site: http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/acfilters.html Although these can only handle 6 amps, so I don't think you could use these with a fridge, which probably requires more amperage. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > > > So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than > > another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my > > electricity? > > Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be " riding " > on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a > problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in > the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside. > > Marc > Ironically I think this is my problem. I removed an internet satellite receiver/transmitter from my roof which reduced my rf readings by 50% but they were still high. I just received 3 Stetzer filters as an experiment but still not sleeping well. I know you need more but I just can't drop $600 at once. My Zapchecker still goes crazy in places it shouldn't. Like in an interior wall. I think it's measuring rf frequencies over power lines.... sigh. Thanks, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hello Alan, if you go around with a thermometer, you just as well get strange readings. The Stetzer filters do work in quite another frequency range as your Zap checker works. And their influence you certainly cannot measure with a Zap Checker. With elektrosmog, it is AND, AND and AND. Everything together. And high frequencies can ride along on other frequencies. As you can read in *het bitje*, two Italians did measure higher frequencies at powerlines. I measured on my computer monitor, which is qua VLF frequencies excellent, but I found peaks about 4.5 MHz. So the whole spectrum, from 0 Hz up to 7 GHz must be measured, in order to know what is going on. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender Re: dirty electricity > >> >> > So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than >> > another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my >> > electricity? >> >> Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be " riding " >> on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a >> problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in >> the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside. >> >> Marc >> > > Ironically I think this is my problem. I removed an internet satellite > receiver/transmitter from my roof which reduced my rf readings by 50% > but they were still high. I just received 3 Stetzer filters as an > experiment but still not sleeping well. I know you need more but I > just can't drop $600 at once. My Zapchecker still goes crazy in places > it shouldn't. Like in an interior wall. I think it's measuring rf > frequencies over power lines.... sigh. > > Thanks, Alan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Loni, It seems I'm probably 2 weeks ahead of you but having similar problems. Maybe our experiences can help each other. I think I'm having similar house problems to you. I can't sleep feel edgy all the time. I tried plugging my quantum home into the outlet coming directly off the fuse box. There is usually one. This helped a little. I just got 3 stetzer filters and plugged them into my outlets in my bedroom only. This helped a little more. This is less than you need but you usually need 20 which costs $600. I am picking up 2 furman emi/rfi surge protectors today. But these are cheaper they don't have the " linear " filtering. I'm going to plug these into some equipment that I think is problematic. I also ordered a 3 pack of tachyon disks. No idea about these but I figured I'd give it a shot. I'm going to tape these to the fuse box. I'm using what I call the buckshot approach right now to see if anything alleviates my symptoms. I'm not sleeping well at all and that is just killing me. I also have MCS and have recovered a lot. Just moved to this house to avoid toxic chemicals and the house passed my basic emf checks but I think there are wiring problems. Electricity is screwy here. I will try shutting off all the circuit breakers to see what happens. So I have much more to do. I'll keep you posted with my findings with the understanding that everyone's reaction to this stuff is different. Thanks, Alan > > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: dirty electricity > > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:51 AM > > > > > > > > Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni > > Do you mean that you have appliances turned off, or the > power is turned off at the fusebox? > > I assume you've had your outlets checked, to make sure > they are wired properly? > > I assume you've tried unplugging things one-by-one, to > see if it's simply one piece of electrical equipment > in your house that is dirtying the rest of the house? > (note that it could also be any compact flourescent > lights, any dimmer switches, anything with a motor in > it... even certain power strips can cause agitation). > > I know you've tried the Quantum Home, which did not help > but can relieve some symptoms of bad electricity in the > house. > > Have you tried the Stetzerizer filters, which can help > with some types of dirty electricity? > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I can only tolerate it for so long. My skin starts to burn, it just builds up. I guess i could try the filters however. Loni From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: dirty electricity Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:46 AM > Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal with. Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on. That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building a whole new structure on the property. The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places. These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places which sell the filters at $30 each: http://lessemf. com/suppress. html http://www.lifeener gies.com/ products/ products. htm#hardware http://www.dirtyele ctricity. ca/graham- stetzer_filters. htm Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with the linear filtering technology. Plugging your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house. The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the Furman PST-8: http://www.aiconsol .com/pst- 8-furman. html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I'm seeing one on ebay for $98. But of course with ebay ... you takes your chances. http://cgi.ebay.com/FURMAN-POWER-STATION-PST-8-15A-HOME-THEATER-CONDITIONER_W0QQ\ itemZ350096191590QQihZ022QQcategoryZ67781QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks, Alan > > > > Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal > > with. > > > > Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power > > turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to > > tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on. > > That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building > > a whole new structure on the property. > > > > The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places. > > These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near > > the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places > > which sell the filters at $30 each: > > > > http://lessemf.com/suppress.html > > http://www.lifeenergies.com/products/products.htm#hardware > > http://www.dirtyelectricity.ca/graham-stetzer_filters.htm > > > > Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although > > personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters > > make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with > > the linear filtering technology. Plugging > > your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it > > generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house. > > The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the > > Furman PST-8: > > > > http://www.aiconsol.com/pst-8-furman.html > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 For about the same price you can get a FilterConcepts CF series filter. These are 10 times better for differential mode, and also have impressive performance for common mode (if the ground connection is clean--which admittedly it probably is not). They don't look as hi-tech: they're just a shiny metal box with information printed on them and some soldering. Bill On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote: > Oh, and I see that Furman power strip is $10 cheaper here: > > http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FUPST8 > > Audio/Video stores are also obsessed with power line > noise, but for different reasons than we are... :-) > > Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 > For about the same price you can get a FilterConcepts CF series filter. > These are 10 times better for differential mode, and also have impressive > performance for common mode (if the ground connection is clean--which > admittedly it probably is not). > > They don't look as hi-tech: they're just a shiny metal box with > information printed on them and some soldering. Well, if you're just putting it behind your fridge it doesn't need to look good... here's a cheap used one: http://theelectrostore.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/surplus-emi-filter-concepts-cf\ 151f-cf151-f-new.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I guess what I mean by strange readings is the readings here have a high variability and intensity within a very short distance sometimes inches. And this behavior is strange compared to about 50 other houses/apartments that I have measured in looking for a safe place to live. The zapchecker 185 I have supposedly goes from 3mhz to 5ghz. Because the zapchecker is only relative I can't give hard numbers I can only compare it to my experience with measurements in other houses. When I use a cornet micro basic rf meter I get what I would consider " normal " rf readings. In the -35dbm to -49dbm area. For example I'm only finding 3 2.4ghz wireless routers in my area with relative signal strength between 11-18%. I've never had problems before with this level of wireless activity. The Cornet measures from 100mhz up to 3ghz. So it's possible that the zapchecker is measuring something closer to the 5ghz range but again I've tested this on 5ghz 802.lla networks and the readings and signal behavior are much more consistent and linear in quality. And a 5ghz signal has less penetrating qualities than a 2.4ghz signal. The readings I'm getting here jump all over the place. Heck maybe the my zapchecker has gone defective. I'm actually trying to contact the company to get it checked. I'm not really familiar with measuring power except with a basic idiot gaussmeter. But I'm quickly learning. I just don't have money to buy good measuring equipment. Of course if I could sleep I wouldn't care about any of this any way. But I can't so... on it goes. I can sleep fine at a friends house about 5 miles away... so. Thanks, Alan > >> > >> > So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than > >> > another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my > >> > electricity? > >> > >> Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be " riding " > >> on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a > >> problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in > >> the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside. > >> > >> Marc > >> > > > > Ironically I think this is my problem. I removed an internet satellite > > receiver/transmitter from my roof which reduced my rf readings by 50% > > but they were still high. I just received 3 Stetzer filters as an > > experiment but still not sleeping well. I know you need more but I > > just can't drop $600 at once. My Zapchecker still goes crazy in places > > it shouldn't. Like in an interior wall. I think it's measuring rf > > frequencies over power lines.... sigh. > > > > Thanks, Alan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 And don't forget your computer process which is in the ghz range. > >> > >> > So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than > >> > another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my > >> > electricity? > >> > >> Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be " riding " > >> on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a > >> problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in > >> the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside. > >> > >> Marc > >> > > > > Ironically I think this is my problem. I removed an internet satellite > > receiver/transmitter from my roof which reduced my rf readings by 50% > > but they were still high. I just received 3 Stetzer filters as an > > experiment but still not sleeping well. I know you need more but I > > just can't drop $600 at once. My Zapchecker still goes crazy in places > > it shouldn't. Like in an interior wall. I think it's measuring rf > > frequencies over power lines.... sigh. > > > > Thanks, Alan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hi Alan, This is way too complicated for me. I've tried the gadgets & no help. If I stay too long in my house my skin will burn. If all the electric is on it will happen quickly. The high school with the cell anntennas & the bright stadium lights which are on now due to football game are just frying me. I wish I could blink & be in a safe house kind of like Bewitched could just twich her nose & viola! My gut starts to grumble with a reaction & I get pain too. Nervous as hell, can't relax. Has caused some nerve damage. I just want to build myself a safe home in country with block & conduit. I have to win that lottery first. Keep in touch. Do you have cell anntennas you are dealing with? Loni From: abailey63 <abailey63@...> Subject: Re: dirty electricity Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 2:06 PM Loni, It seems I'm probably 2 weeks ahead of you but having similar problems. Maybe our experiences can help each other. I think I'm having similar house problems to you. I can't sleep feel edgy all the time. I tried plugging my quantum home into the outlet coming directly off the fuse box. There is usually one. This helped a little. I just got 3 stetzer filters and plugged them into my outlets in my bedroom only. This helped a little more. This is less than you need but you usually need 20 which costs $600. I am picking up 2 furman emi/rfi surge protectors today. But these are cheaper they don't have the " linear " filtering. I'm going to plug these into some equipment that I think is problematic. I also ordered a 3 pack of tachyon disks. No idea about these but I figured I'd give it a shot. I'm going to tape these to the fuse box. I'm using what I call the buckshot approach right now to see if anything alleviates my symptoms. I'm not sleeping well at all and that is just killing me. I also have MCS and have recovered a lot. Just moved to this house to avoid toxic chemicals and the house passed my basic emf checks but I think there are wiring problems. Electricity is screwy here. I will try shutting off all the circuit breakers to see what happens. So I have much more to do. I'll keep you posted with my findings with the understanding that everyone's reaction to this stuff is different. Thanks, Alan > > From: Marc <marc@...> > Subject: Re: dirty electricity > groups (DOT) com > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:51 AM > > > > > > > > Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni > > Do you mean that you have appliances turned off, or the > power is turned off at the fusebox? > > I assume you've had your outlets checked, to make sure > they are wired properly? > > I assume you've tried unplugging things one-by-one, to > see if it's simply one piece of electrical equipment > in your house that is dirtying the rest of the house? > (note that it could also be any compact flourescent > lights, any dimmer switches, anything with a motor in > it... even certain power strips can cause agitation). > > I know you've tried the Quantum Home, which did not help > but can relieve some symptoms of bad electricity in the > house. > > Have you tried the Stetzerizer filters, which can help > with some types of dirty electricity? > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 In a message dated 9/13/2008 3:22:26 A.M. GMT Daylight Time, loni326@... writes: Keep in touch. Do you have cell anntennas you are dealing with? Loni PUK replies - Remember I too am ES, if I spend too long on this I get do-lally, evan though I sit 6feet away from the laptop and so I wear glasses, 5 minutes ago I thought where the hell are the glasses, silly me I was wearing them !!!!! I can feel my mood being blackened as I sit here getting fried by this random frequency generator known as a Laptop, so my body is saying get out, go, but I will ask you this - Loni what are you doing in terms of stress management, are you fit enough to take yourself away from the house and get on a bike, run, swim, stay out of your property for purposeful pursuits. In your house you are under siege, you need to fortify your mind as much as possible perhaps more so than fortifying the electrics and making the best of a bad job etc. Have you thought of joining an army training circuit team in your area where most of the exercise will take place outdoors, you cant fight the power but you can get fighting fit. Then you can get your self in a better position to think straight, better nutrition all that stuff, it will turn a vicious circle from one that you are turning in, into one that you can start to put the breaks on from outside. You get my drift - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:26:24 P.M. GMT Daylight Time, wbruno@... writes: I think AM radio signals can be an issue, probably TV too if you're near a transmitter. But a common problem is sparking or micro-arcing on the power lines themselves, which cause noise from about 1 MHz to nearly 1 GHz. Hold a radio near a power cord with *all* your breakers off. If there's still a buzz it's definitely dirty power coming from outside. It could be the neighbors or the power company's fault. Sometimes the power company can tighten connectors, remove debris, replace bad connectors, and the problem is solved. Bill PUK - I have found that broadband routers, plasma tv in particular large Pioneer model over the road causes me great cellular distress which of course cascades down to eventual psychological stress,(but at least I know this) I have noticed that several frequencies of data streams or similar run off my telecoms and electrics simulataneously the whole place becomes leaky feeder/emission city until the offending units are simply switched off. My illness is determined by something as trivial in comparison as the flick of a switch. This is a clear breach of my human rights, and the right to the quiet enjoyment of my property. Keep pushing the envelope everyone. I think of a famous line - Forgive them for they know not what they are doing. PUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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