Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 > However, your biggest exposure (except for those right by a cell > tower or HV transmission line) is still the RF being broadcast > throughout your buildings 24/7 from the wiring. Yes, but that's not the biggest thing impacting my health. I can be in my house all day and not have any problems at all. Sit me in front of a laptop computer, and I have problems very quickly. > Nausea, sweatiness and chest pains just happen to be signs of a > heart attack. I'm sure that they're signs of more than just that. For example, the chest pains seem to eminating from my ribs, not my heart. Also, I get chest pains from all sorts of foods and supplements as well, so it certainly is not unique to this EMF device. Personally, I think that toxins are being liberated into my bloodstream, and I am having an adverse reaction. They say that lead is stored in your bones, and I have had EAV testing that shows that I'm allergic to lead. Could be as simple as that. >How can something ground you with no contact to earth? Seriously, >is this possible, or just nice-sounding PR? Who knows, but this pendant has some good EMF protection qualities that cannot be ignored. The problem is that I cannot tolerate wearing it all day every day, so it is of little practical use. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Marc, I also have some chest pains and I think this happens due to muscle contractions due to problems in my brain which is due to mercury toxicity. I have chest pains on my left side only. I think one side of my brain(possibly the right side) is damaged and it causes contracted muscles on the left side.Actually my whole left side is contracted(tight). I can feel that when I try to relax or meditate. Nil Re: response to Marc > > > However, your biggest exposure (except for those right by a cell > > tower or HV transmission line) is still the RF being broadcast > > throughout your buildings 24/7 from the wiring. > > Yes, but that's not the biggest thing impacting my health. I can > be in my house all day and not have any problems at all. Sit > me in front of a laptop computer, and I have problems very quickly. > > > Nausea, sweatiness and chest pains just happen to be signs of a > > heart attack. > > I'm sure that they're signs of more than just that. For example, > the chest pains seem to eminating from my ribs, not my heart. > Also, I get chest pains from all sorts of foods and supplements > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 > I also have some chest pains and I think this happens due to muscle > contractions I should point out that the things which give me chest pains also cause a simultaneous pain the bottom of my left foot ( " foot attack? " :-) ) I've gotten this from seaweed, " kombucha " beverage, chia seeds, electrolyte drinks, amino acid powders, and mercury chelators -- all things which are supposed to be healthy and provoke detoxification. So the fact that a couple EMF protection devices do this as well puts them in good company. The devices which have done this include the Earthcalm resonator, the Harmonic Protector, a Sacred Geometry Medallion, and the Personal Rejuvenizer pendant. If I wasn't so toxic, I'd probably benefit from all of these. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Chalk up one more list member who experiences muscle contractions in the chest/abdominal area, apparently triggered by mercury mobilization due to EMF exposure. My husband was having these " attacks " about once a week back around October -- before we realized he was ES and started being vigilant about avoidance and shielding. The attacks would last about half an hour or more, and resembled what I imagine an epileptic seizure is, more than a heart attack, i.e. spams that convulse the entire body repeatedly rather than shooting pains in the chest. We came to think of the attacks as his body's reaction to a buildup of EM energy in his body (from working at his computer or being in a store full of fluorescent lights). When the attack was over, he would be worn out but with no other lingering effect, as if the excess energy had been released and his body stabilized. Anyway these attacks are much rarer now, especially since we've been supplementing nutritionally. Can't say whether I'd describe this as a " detox " reaction exactly, and we have not been able to link it to particular supplements, EMF protection devices or known detox agents. In any case, as many of you have pointed out before, there are surely gentler ways to detox than this. :-) Cara > Marc, > > I also have some chest pains and I think this happens due to muscle > contractions due to problems in my brain which is due to mercury toxicity. I > have chest pains on my left side only. I think one side of my brain (possibly > the right side) is damaged and it causes contracted muscles on the left > side.Actually my whole left side is contracted(tight). I can feel that when > I try to relax or meditate. > > Nil > Re: response to Marc > > > > > > > However, your biggest exposure (except for those right by a cell > > > tower or HV transmission line) is still the RF being broadcast > > > throughout your buildings 24/7 from the wiring. > > > > Yes, but that's not the biggest thing impacting my health. I can > > be in my house all day and not have any problems at all. Sit > > me in front of a laptop computer, and I have problems very quickly. > > > > > Nausea, sweatiness and chest pains just happen to be signs of a > > > heart attack. > > > > I'm sure that they're signs of more than just that. For example, > > the chest pains seem to eminating from my ribs, not my heart. > > Also, I get chest pains from all sorts of foods and supplements > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 " The attacks would last about half an hour or more, and resembled what I imagine an epileptic seizure is, more than a heart attack, i.e. spasms that convulse the entire body repeatedly rather than shooting pains in the chest. " Cara I am having these type of attacks when I try to meditate and when I am practicing strong release of deeply buried emotions..I can not meditate because of this problem.Does he feel a strong pressure at the part of the head where neck joins the skull?My head moves uncontrollably backwards and I feel great pressure at that part. My whole body starts shaking. Convulsions are more at the left side of my body.I think this is happening due to a damage done at my brain by mercury.I don't know and wonder which part of my brain is damaged. This is different than the chest pain I have. My chest pain is like what Mark describes. Thanks. Nil Re: response to Marc > > > > > > > > > > > However, your biggest exposure (except for those right by a cell > > > > tower or HV transmission line) is still the RF being broadcast > > > > throughout your buildings 24/7 from the wiring. > > > > > > Yes, but that's not the biggest thing impacting my health. I can > > > be in my house all day and not have any problems at all. Sit > > > me in front of a laptop computer, and I have problems very > quickly. > > > > > > > Nausea, sweatiness and chest pains just happen to be signs of a > > > > heart attack. > > > > > > I'm sure that they're signs of more than just that. For example, > > > the chest pains seem to eminating from my ribs, not my heart. > > > Also, I get chest pains from all sorts of foods and supplements > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hi Nil, I don't think my husband's " attacks " have ever happened when he was meditating. No pressure where you describe (at the base of the neck) either. - Cara > " The attacks would last about half an hour or more, and > resembled what I imagine an epileptic seizure is, more than a heart > attack, i.e. spasms that convulse the entire body repeatedly rather > than shooting pains in the chest. " > > Cara > > I am having these type of attacks when I try to meditate and when I am > practicing strong release of deeply buried emotions..I can not meditate > because of this problem.Does he feel a strong pressure at the part of the > head where neck joins the skull?My head moves uncontrollably backwards and I > feel great pressure at that part. My whole body starts shaking. Convulsions > are more at the left side of my body.I think this is happening due to a > damage done at my brain by mercury.I don't know and wonder which part of my > brain is damaged. > > This is different than the chest pain I have. My chest pain is like what > Mark describes. > Thanks. > Nil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Shivani had said: " When I look through catalogs full of electronic gizmos, that are supposed to make our lives easier and improve our health, but which produce damaging frequencies, I cringe. " Marc replied: Yes, but since you have not personally tried these items, I don't think you are qualified to state that any of these items actually cause any damage. You are only assuming they do, based on assumptions which may not even be correct. Shivani replies: The kind of gizmos I am tallking about are things like wireless indoor/outdoor thermometers and weather stations that radio broadcast a signal through your whole house, wireless remote controls, wireless headsets for your stereo or DVD player, dimmer-switch alarm clocks that brighten gradually, high-frequency pest control units, variable-speed motor treadmills, all kinds of vibrators/foot spas/ etcetera that connect you directly not only to the electrical circuit but produce frequencies of their own.... I am very curious, also, about gizmos like the new " Chaperone Satellite Vehicle Tracker, " and the Dreamate Sleep Aid, that " delivers double-frequency micromassage to specific pulse points " on your wrist ( " Not suitable for persons with pacemakers. " ) Since I know that exposing myself to high freqencies is harmful, why on earth would I want to spend money on such things to " try them out? " If you do, though, Marc, please let us know what you experience? Marc also said: You seem to be a bit hypocritical on this matter -- you feel free to say that all sorts of gizmos are harmful, even though you have absolutely no experience to back this up, Shivani replies: I have definitely not maligned all sorts of gizmos. I haven't even maligned one. Name me one brand name gizmo that I have said is harmful. What I said is " " When I look through catalogs full of electronic gizmos, that are supposed to make our lives easier and improve our health, but which produce damaging frequencies, I cringe. " I cetainly do have enough experience with what RF does to me to be justified in feeling this way. Marc continued, to say that I " ...jump all over anyone who has anything negative to say about the Stetzer products.... " Shivani responds: Why are you exagerrating so, Marc? I have been asking ONE person, , to produce the research he has mentioned, supposedly done by Bajog, supposedly on the Stetzer filters. As you are group moderator, I cannot understand your position. It is OK with you for someone to say, without supporting his assertion, that he has specific information from a study by a particular group relating to a particular product, which puts the product in a negative light. (In this case, claiming that the filters can do the polar opposite of what they are designed to do.) But it is for some reason not OK with you if others ask to back up what he has said by sharing whatever Bajog did and said. The bottom line here is not imaginary, nor is it trivial. The reason this is important is because if Bajog did not do as claims, then what he has said is a concocted fiction, designed to malign the Stetzer filters. If you want to be on the up-and-up, you should be very, very interested in ' producing the information requested of him. Regards, Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Shivani writes: > The kind of gizmos I am tallking about are things like wireless > indoor/outdoor thermometers and weather stations that radio broadcast Ahhh, my apologies... I thought this was yet another put-down of EMF protection devices, which you tend to present as " snake oil " , (even though you don't appear to have ever used them). > I have definitely not maligned all sorts of gizmos. I haven't even > maligned one. On the EMR-EMF group, you posted the following a month ago: 'However, I and many others are not interested in " protection products " that make no meterable difference in the exposure. Have you read Don Maisch's comments on such protection devices? I concur.' I believe Don Maisch's comments were along the lines that " all EMF protection devices are scams " . I'd definitely call that maligning... > As you are group moderator, I cannot understand your position. My position is that perhaps you are being rather overzealous? I think you have asked this question over and over, and if it hasn't been answered to your satisfaction by now, then it probably never will be. And if hasn't provided enough information to convince you, then you don't have to believe him. And your insinuations that is making things up to malign the Stetzer filters or that lawsuits could be involved seems to be a bit uncalled for... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Let me say, that first of all, ionic foot spas can bring the electrosensibility down enormously. Secondly, it seems that Dave Stetzer is not questioning anything. Only Shivani is. As I stated before, Shivani cannot read German text, so it is of no use for her that I send some German papers. I also stated, that if Stetzer has a problem, he should contact Bajog directly. Further it is my opinion, that the two Stetzer filters I bought are shit. They bear the markings of Stetzerizer, but no CE mark. They also do not seem to have any resemblance with the filters shown on the Stetzer HP, nor on the present Lessemf HP. Both do not show any holes for a plug-in. Mine have. I hope that it is now clear. Sure I am entitled to state that a product which I legally ordered and paid for, is of inferior quality. They were no prototypes and I paid the full price. I do not have any intention. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Response to Marc > Shivani replies: > The kind of gizmos I am tallking about are things like wireless > indoor/outdoor thermometers and weather stations that radio broadcast a > signal through > your whole house, wireless remote controls, wireless headsets for your > stereo or DVD player, dimmer-switch alarm clocks that brighten gradually, > high-frequency pest control units, variable-speed motor treadmills, all > kinds of > vibrators/foot spas/ etcetera that connect you directly not only to the > electrical > circuit but produce frequencies of their own.... > I am very curious, also, about gizmos like the new " Chaperone > Satellite > Vehicle Tracker, " and the Dreamate Sleep Aid, that " delivers > double-frequency micromassage to specific pulse points " on your wrist > ( " Not suitable for > persons with pacemakers. " ) > Since I know that exposing myself to high freqencies is harmful, why > on > earth would I want to spend money on such things to " try them out? " > If you do, though, Marc, please let us know what you experience? > > > Marc continued, to say that I > " ...jump all over anyone who has anything negative to say about the > Stetzer > products.... " > > Shivani responds: > Why are you exagerrating so, Marc? I have been asking ONE person, > , to produce the research he has mentioned, supposedly done by > Bajog, > supposedly on the Stetzer filters. > As you are group moderator, I cannot understand your position. It > is > OK with you for someone to say, without supporting his assertion, that he > has > specific information from a study by a particular group relating to a > particular product, which puts the product in a negative light. (In this > case, > claiming that the filters can do the polar opposite of what they are > designed to > do.) But it is for some reason not OK with you if others ask to > back up > what he has said by sharing whatever Bajog did and said. > The bottom line here is not imaginary, nor is it trivial. The > reason > this is important is because if Bajog did not do as claims, then > what > he has said is a concocted fiction, designed to malign the Stetzer > filters. > If you want to be on the up-and-up, you should be very, very > interested in ' producing the information requested of him. > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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