Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Welcome, Debbie! The ever elusive " mindset " , eh? I'm somewhat new to CR myself, and haven't read Dr. Walford's(?) book, but I would venture to guess that the " mindset " for CR in a nutshell is " I Don't Want to Die. " CR also offers the possibility of not only longer life, but better quality of life for a longer time. So, think in terms of not just giving your kids a good example, but of being with them when they have their own kids, and maybe even being around to see your *great-grandkids*. In a way, you could say that love is the great motivating factor. Love for yourself first of all to do yourself the favor of treating your body right, and then love for your family to do them the favor of being around for as long as possible. That could be a motivating mindset! (|-|ri5 > > > Hi, > > I just found your website recently and have read all the files and > have been keeping an eye on the messages. I am an overweight 41yr > old mother of 3 very young children. While I really want to eat > right for me and so my children can see me eat right, how can you get > that ever elusive " mindset " to do just that? Whatever anyone offers > as suggestions is appreciated. > > Debbie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Don't focus on CR, focus on ON - Optimal Nutrition. Throw away all the junk food and most of the prepared food in your house. You have a wonderful opportunity with young children to do more than just set a good example - give them food that will make their bodies and minds strong and help change their taste preferences from highly processed foods to natural flavors. (Once they're sixteen, it's way too late!) If you change the types of food you all eat, you'll be amazed at how much better you feel. You don't realize now that you don't feel good, but once you make the change you won't believe it! At this stage, don't focus on losing weight, focus on not putting the poisons from the Standard American Diet into your body. They sap energy, intelligence and strength. Do you want that for yourself or your children? You can get into the mindset by changing the paradigm. It's not about being thin, it's about being healthy. Not living longer, but living better! Definitely read Walford's books and read some other books on nutrition and aging. Then read Walford's book again - what he says tends to tie all the others together and give you a good background so you can decide what you want to believe from the other authors. My recommendations, Lick the Sugar Habit, and Renewal: The Anti Cancer Diet. Different perspectives, but will get you to focus on nutrition rather than weight. And as a secondary tangible benefit, you'll lose weight in the process...! > Welcome, Debbie! > > The ever elusive " mindset " , eh? I'm somewhat new to CR myself, and haven't > read Dr. Walford's(?) book, but I would venture to guess that the " mindset " > for CR in a nutshell is " I Don't Want to Die. " CR also offers the > possibility of not only longer life, but better quality of life for a longer > time. > > So, think in terms of not just giving your kids a good example, but of being > with them when they have their own kids, and maybe even being around to see > your *great-grandkids*. In a way, you could say that love is the great > motivating factor. Love for yourself first of all to do yourself the favor > of treating your body right, and then love for your family to do them the > favor of being around for as long as possible. That could be a motivating > mindset! > > (|-|ri5 > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I just found your website recently and have read all the files and > > have been keeping an eye on the messages. I am an overweight 41yr > > old mother of 3 very young children. While I really want to eat > > right for me and so my children can see me eat right, how can you get > > that ever elusive " mindset " to do just that? Whatever anyone offers > > as suggestions is appreciated. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 > Don't focus on CR, focus on ON - Optimal Nutrition. ... Hi All, I respectfully and vehemently take exception to your focus. I would suggest that " Caloric Restriction/Optimum Nutrition " over- rates nutrition. You may put the focus on the wrong syll-aaa-ble. Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I think for a Newbie who has been eating the standard american diet with notoriously poor nutrition, focusing on optimal nutrition will effectively decrease the overall calories consumed. Most women who have ever dieted have already focused on calorie restriction, to no avail - it hasn't worked for them because they're still eating the same junk which doesn't fill them up so they're still hungry and they fail at reducing the calories. By focusing on optimal nutrition you will reduce your intake but you change your mindset, which is what it takes to get on a program and stick to it. At least it worked for me! > > > Don't focus on CR, focus on ON - Optimal Nutrition. ... > > Hi All, > > I respectfully and vehemently take exception to your focus. > > I would suggest that " Caloric Restriction/Optimum Nutrition " over- > rates nutrition. You may put the focus on the wrong syll-aaa-ble. > > Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Al: in the context of the original post by this newbie: that she was having trouble getting motivated with CRON, the advice to focus on ON is right on. ON is better than nothing. And ON is exactly how we recommend getting started in our files. By elimating unhealthy foods (see the file " CR Made Easy " ) you will be lowering your calories effortlessly. We welcome people on this board no matter how much or little they want to do the CR part. And we applaud ANY effort to become healthier. > Don't focus on CR, focus on ON - Optimal Nutrition. ... Hi All, I respectfully and vehemently take exception to your focus. I would suggest that " Caloric Restriction/Optimum Nutrition " over- rates nutrition. You may put the focus on the wrong syll-aaa-ble. Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 --- In , " fskelton2002 " <fskelton@e...> wrote: > Al: in the context of the original post by this newbie: that she was > having trouble getting motivated with CRON, the advice to focus on ON > is right on. ON is better than nothing. And ON is exactly how we > recommend getting started in our files. By elimating unhealthy foods > (see the file " CR Made Easy " ) you will be lowering your calories > effortlessly. > > We welcome people on this board no matter how much or little they want > to do the CR part. And we applaud ANY effort to become healthier. Hi All, What I stated, Francesca, was that the goal was CR. ON is a corollary. It does make CR easier but is hot the end-all. There are a surplus of diet groups focusing on ON. This is not the central theme, as stated by the poster to whom I replied, of CR. Our group is on CR with the requirement for adequate nutrition. No studies have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of essential nutrients are required for CR to function. Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Hi Francesca/Al: I agree with both of you. For anyone who has spent their life on a CEAN diet (calorie excess with awful nutrition) even CEON would be an improvement. It might even result in CSON - caloric sufficiency with optimal nutrition. And it may be easier for a CEANie to shift to being a CEONie first, before graduating to being a CRONie. But the only method so far proven by science to extend maximum lifespan is CRON. So that should be the eventual (asap, perhaps) objective of people who read the stuff posted here. Otherwise, why else are they here? Rodney. > > Al: in the context of the original post by this newbie: that she > was > > having trouble getting motivated with CRON, the advice to focus on > ON > > is right on. ON is better than nothing. And ON is exactly how we > > recommend getting started in our files. By elimating unhealthy > foods > > (see the file " CR Made Easy " ) you will be lowering your calories > > effortlessly. > > > > We welcome people on this board no matter how much or little they > want > > to do the CR part. And we applaud ANY effort to become healthier. > > Hi All, > > What I stated, Francesca, was that the goal was CR. ON is a > corollary. It does make CR easier but is hot the end-all. There are > a surplus of diet groups focusing on ON. This is not the central > theme, as stated by the poster to whom I replied, of CR. Our group > is on CR with the requirement for adequate nutrition. No studies > have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of essential > nutrients are required for CR to function. > > Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 And I agree with all of you. Perhaps my answer would have been better stated if I had said " Focus FIRST on Optimal Nutrition... " - but I was responding to a question of how to get in the right mindset and get started so I thought that was assumed. On page 219 of BY120YD, Walford says: Assuming your food habits and preferences are not already nutritionally superb, you must first of all change them. That's not actually hard to do if you do it right. In any case, do that first. Before you try reducing calories or losing weight or exercising or getting your biomarkers checked, re-educate, and reprogram your dietary habits. > > > Al: in the context of the original post by this newbie: that she > > was > > > having trouble getting motivated with CRON, the advice to focus > on > > ON > > > is right on. ON is better than nothing. And ON is exactly how > we > > > recommend getting started in our files. By elimating unhealthy > > foods > > > (see the file " CR Made Easy " ) you will be lowering your calories > > > effortlessly. > > > > > > We welcome people on this board no matter how much or little they > > want > > > to do the CR part. And we applaud ANY effort to become healthier. > > > > Hi All, > > > > What I stated, Francesca, was that the goal was CR. ON is a > > corollary. It does make CR easier but is hot the end-all. There > are > > a surplus of diet groups focusing on ON. This is not the central > > theme, as stated by the poster to whom I replied, of CR. Our group > > is on CR with the requirement for adequate nutrition. No studies > > have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of essential > > nutrients are required for CR to function. > > > > Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 > > ..... No studies > > have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of essential > > nutrients are required for CR to function. Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Welcome! For me, the motivation has always come from knowledge. I think the more one knows about what the right and innappropriate and counterproductive diet choices are, the more likely one is to make the right choices. Reading the information provided in this group, as well as from other sources of diet and health information, will help reinforce one's motivation and expand one's knowledge base. Use every option avialable to you to achieve optimal health! Don't get discouraged by temporary set backs- like Tony Robbins says (more or less, and not to promote him, necessarily), lasting change can happen in an instant. Devote yourself to a healthier, happier future from this moment onward! >From: " dbrennan11 " <dbrennan11@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] newbie wannabe >Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:05:40 -0000 > >Hi, > >I just found your website recently and have read all the files and >have been keeping an eye on the messages. I am an overweight 41yr >old mother of 3 very young children. While I really want to eat >right for me and so my children can see me eat right, how can you get >that ever elusive " mindset " to do just that? Whatever anyone offers >as suggestions is appreciated. > >Debbie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Hi Al: I see your point! But what is the evidence regarding CRIN (sic) ? : ^ ))) Rodney. > > > > ..... No studies > > > have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of essential > > > nutrients are required for CR to function. > > Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 > > > > > > ..... No studies > > > > have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of essential > > > > nutrients are required for CR to function. Hi All, In my opinion, longevity has not been increased above that achieved when the animals are given CR plus the ad lib RDA levels of protein, fats, minerals and vitamins. If the RDA are optimum, then CRON may be synonymous with CRAN. Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Hi Al: I think we all understand each other here. For those who arrive here after a lifetime of CEIN - calorie excess with inadequate nutrition - a very good first step may be to fix the 'IN'. Just that alone may in some cases fix the 'CE' and help to rectangularize the curve. But if extended *maximum* lifespan is the objective, then CR is essential. On that, I think (hope) we are all agreed. Rodney. > > > > > > > > ..... No studies > > > > > have shown, to my knowledge, that above RDA values of > essential > > > > > nutrients are required for CR to function. > > Hi All, > > In my opinion, longevity has not been increased above that achieved > when the animals are given CR plus the ad lib RDA levels of protein, > fats, minerals and vitamins. If the RDA are optimum, then CRON may > be synonymous with CRAN. > > Cheers, Al Pater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 There seems to be a feeling that CR is "extreme", but my take was that it just got me down to what I should eat. But I don't get that hungry from eating 40% less, because I was eating too much. Extreme CR as some are doing, is maybe the question here. Extreme CR being getting below the 20yo weight, below nominal BMI, eating as little as possible, and that ambiguous thing "eating less than required" which I never understood. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: [ ] Re: newbie wannabe Hi Francesca/Al:I agree with both of you. For anyone who has spent their life on a CEAN diet (calorie excess with awful nutrition) even CEON would be an improvement. It might even result in CSON - caloric sufficiency with optimal nutrition. And it may be easier for a CEANie to shift to being a CEONie first, before graduating to being a CRONie.But the only method so far proven by science to extend maximum lifespan is CRON. So that should be the eventual (asap, perhaps) objective of people who read the stuff posted here. Otherwise, why else are they here?Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Just to clarify, Pg 5 of "Beyond the 120 yr diet" says The CRON diet emphasizes food combinations.... so that RDAs of all important nutrients are approximated with minimal caloric intake. I think I can do that with 600 kcals, and I don't think Wolford meant do that. We have to eat enough energy to maintain whatever weight we choose. So "minimal" doesn't necessarily mean the LEAST calories for RDAs. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:42 AM Subject: [ ] Re: newbie wannabe Hi Al:I see your point! But what is the evidence regarding CRIN (sic) ? : ^ )))Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Hi JW: I think I learned from the diets of Dr Spindler's mice that, if you wanted to, you could get the full micronutrient RDAs from zero calories. Since we know, it seems, the chemical formulae of all of them. (That is certainly true for mice, since Spindler's mice did just fine eating a bunch of chemicals, which for the most part provided 100% of the necessary vitamins and elements.) The only calories we *need* are for a little of two macronutrients, fat and protein. Is this the 600 kcals you mention? How much fat and protein do we really need? At a guess probably about 500 kcal if we take care to get the right ones. But it seems there are certain, currently mysterious, compounds which prevent or delay onset of certain cancers. So it is probably a good idea to eat some real food as well to make sure we get some of them too ; ^ ))) Rodney. --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > Just to clarify, > Pg 5 of " Beyond the 120 yr diet " says The CRON diet emphasizes food combinations.... so that RDAs of all important nutrients are approximated with minimal caloric intake. I think I can do that with 600 kcals, and I don't think Wolford meant do that. We have to eat enough energy to maintain whatever weight we choose. So " minimal " doesn't necessarily mean the LEAST calories for RDAs. > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rodney > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:42 AM > Subject: [ ] Re: newbie wannabe > > > Hi Al: > > I see your point! But what is the evidence regarding CRIN (sic) ? : > ^ ))) > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 My old 8 # of romaine lettuce theory. All vits , minerals, aminos and fatty acids, more or less. Just to demonstrate the point there is a gap between "perfect" CRON and enough calories. Some fill that with fat, some with "waste" carbos. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [ ] Re: newbie wannabe Hi JW:I think I learned from the diets of Dr Spindler's mice that, if you wanted to, you could get the full micronutrient RDAs from zero calories. Since we know, it seems, the chemical formulae of all of them. (That is certainly true for mice, since Spindler's mice did just fine eating a bunch of chemicals, which for the most part provided 100% of the necessary vitamins and elements.)The only calories we *need* are for a little of two macronutrients, fat and protein. Is this the 600 kcals you mention? How much fat and protein do we really need? At a guess probably about 500 kcal if we take care to get the right ones.But it seems there are certain, currently mysterious, compounds which prevent or delay onset of certain cancers. So it is probably a good idea to eat some real food as well to make sure we get some of them too ; ^ )))Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 --- In , " dbrennan11 " <dbrennan11@y...> wrote: > Hi, > > I just found your website recently and have read all the files and > have been keeping an eye on the messages. I am an overweight 41yr > old mother of 3 very young children. While I really want to eat > right for me and so my children can see me eat right, how can you get > that ever elusive " mindset " to do just that? Whatever anyone offers > as suggestions is appreciated. > > Debbie As Francesca and others say, you need to read some good books about nutrition so that you learn what your body really needs to be healthy. Walford's book is execellent, so are Weil's. Simopoulous " The Omega Diet " is also good. Udo Erasmus' " Fats that Heal, Fats That Kill " is also very interesting. You must learn to see healthy food as life-giving and food with lots of calories and poor nutrition as health destroying. Eliminate foods with high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated vegetable oils and you will make a big difference in the quality of your diet. I recommend tracking your diet faithfully for as long as you can manage it with a nutrition tracking program. Nothing else will teach you as well how each food contributes to your body's needs. Learn which foods are high in nutrients. Walford's book has some useful tables with this information. Food needs to become associated in your mind with health, rather than " recreation " . I am not saying that you can't really, really enjoy food - or that a meal cannot be a happy social event. It's really the opposite kind of eating that I am suggesting you eliminate. Rewarding yourself with a cookie - or even more especially, eating that cookie in a guilty way knowing that you don't need the calories involved, but feeling compulsive about it - these are behaviors you want to get rid of. You need to focus on wholesome, nutritious foods with a reasonable level of calories relative to their nutritional value. You can enjoy eating these foods without guilt and rejoice in the knowledge that they are making you strong. As your diet becomes more and more focused on these foods, you will learn to really appreciate them. When you are naturally hungry from CR, a beautiful meal of salmon, with steamed spinach, carrots, and berries for dessert can be incredibly, unbelievably delicious. Try not to buy prepared foods. They are almost all too sweet or too salty. They rarely are nutritious. Your taste buds will reset quickly and soon you will be able to taste vegetables and fruits for the first time. I eat sweetpotatoes absolutely plain. They have the most interesting flavor and need no embellishment. A plain fresh strawberry tastes enormously better to me than strawberry jam. Our palates are dulled by processed foods. It's really too bad. Think of Pillsbury, Nabisco and Frito Lay as companies that do not have your best interests in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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