Re: How to Make My Home Safe??

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right way to do

it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a copper rod in the

bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical ground, and I

measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the time of day, but

I don't know whether or not it was significant.

It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer as the

reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields getting

conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever possible, print

things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to read, or

unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC inverter) to the

computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill pointed out, so the

cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter.

Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control panel-- even

if you're not using it, it could be enabled.

Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not actively using

it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB cables. I've

even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet cables, until I

replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit of trial and error...

Regarding shielding:

Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also conduct

some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both wireless & electric

exposures into consideration.

Regarding meters for personal use:

a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. However, it's

too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts.

b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF.

c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies.

d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric

considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming yourself.

>

> Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive!

I am so glad to have found this focum!

>

> I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations

/ questions:

>

> My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

bedroom right next to the powerline?

>

> i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell.

Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and*

build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it

- I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick

after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours

a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this

and other emf-emitting devices?

>

> What blocks emf?

>

> Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those

silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

>

> Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for

this?

>

> And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

>

> Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to

get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

>

> PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc)

and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I

feel like I'm dying!

>

[Guest guest]

Don't you have to have wireless then if you're using battery for your laptop?

Sorry sounds like a dumb question. Loni

>

>

> Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

> sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

>

> I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

> considerations / questions:

>

> My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

> bedroom right next to the powerline?

>

> i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

> swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6

> feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf

> coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I

> still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be

> on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a

> small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices?

>

> What blocks emf?

>

> Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

> those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

>

> Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for

> this?

>

> And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

>

> Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to

> get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

>

> PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars,

> etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that

> computer on, I feel like I'm dying!

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

Well... it is " wire " -less in the sense that you're using a battery instead of

power cable, but it's not " wireless " in the sense of using microwaves for

internet communications, if you use an Ethernet (RJ45) cable. Hope that

clarifies things.

>

> Don't you have to have wireless then if you're using battery for your laptop?

Sorry sounds like a dumb question. Loni

>

[Guest guest]

I use ZOOMTEXT 8 which allows me to veiw the laptop from approx 1.5m away,

I also have a infrared mouse, but alas a normal keyboard, this buys me a

little more time on the pc but I still end up wollyheaded and out of focus

for ages after 1hour use - I guess the keyboard is acting like a leaky feeder

or garden hose sprayer with the elf from the laptop - distance is

everything and time spent is also important - like I have said before there may

also be an issue with your ES activated immune system learning the RF profile

of your equipment so changing equipment sometimes may help for a while as

well.

puk

In a message dated 06/04/2011 07:22:27 GMT Daylight Time,

annabudd122@... writes:

Thanks for the reply!

I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it

seems I'm more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a

copper-sheet cage around my laptop

help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it

sounds like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field -

is this correct?

Thanks again for the help!

-

> >

> > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> >

> > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

considerations / questions:

> >

> > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate

the bedroom right next to the powerline?

> >

> > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6

feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf

coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I

still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be

on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a

small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices?

> >

>

>

> > What blocks emf?

> >

> > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What

about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> >

> > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I

test for this?

> >

> > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> >

> > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big

challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big

help!

> >

> > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined

sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that

computer on, I feel like I'm dying!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bill!! VERY useful tip about having PG & E come out and tighten those

bolts ... at what level of electrical radiation can we say that the lines are

radiating? I'm going to buy a MFJ-856 meter, and will be taking readings right

below that powerline. I've never done it before, though, and don't really know

what I'm doing. What is considered " normal " levels coming off a powerline?

And I will definitely run my macbook on batteries! Doing that right now - not

yet feeling a difference, but I'm already emf sick today, so hard to tell.

Thanks for letting me know about Conrad - his website is a great

resource!

I'm going to see a naturopath in SF tomorrow -hopefully he'll be up on the emf

sensitivity problem, but I doubt it - it seems even among alternative medicine

practitioners, emf sensitivity is still largely unexplored. I sure hope that

changes - soon!

Thanks again for the help,

-

>

> >

> >

> > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

> > sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> >

> > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

> > considerations / questions:

> >

> > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

> > bedroom right next to the powerline?

> >

> > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

> > swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6

> > feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf

> > coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I

> > still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be

> > on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a

> > small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices?

> >

> > What blocks emf?

> >

> > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

> > those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> >

> > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for

> > this?

> >

> > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> >

> > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to

> > get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

> >

> > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars,

> > etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that

> > computer on, I feel like I'm dying!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply!

I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it seems I'm

more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a copper-sheet cage

around my laptop

help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it sounds

like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field - is this

correct?

Thanks again for the help!

-

> >

> > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> >

> > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

considerations / questions:

> >

> > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

bedroom right next to the powerline?

> >

> > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell.

Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and*

build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it

- I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick

after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours

a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this

and other emf-emitting devices?

> >

>

>

> > What blocks emf?

> >

> > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> >

> > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for

this?

> >

> > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> >

> > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to

get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

> >

> > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars,

etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer

on, I feel like I'm dying!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I suppose you could try something see-through which shields electric fields to

cover the monitor? However, it wouldn't deal with magnetic fields which

requires the opaque mu-metal, and it won't deal with intermediate frequencies

which you can detect with a radio.

Distance is key. I prefer attaching USB keyboard/mouse to my laptop to keep a

distance from the laptop, but even then, try to keep a distance from the

keyboard and mouse itself as well, b/c some frequencies from the laptop still

gets onto the USB cables...

> > >

> > > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> > >

> > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

considerations / questions:

> > >

> > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

bedroom right next to the powerline?

> > >

> > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet)

*and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off

of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very

sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8

hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around

this and other emf-emitting devices?

> > >

> >

> >

> > > What blocks emf?

> > >

> > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> > >

> > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test

for this?

> > >

> > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge

to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

> > >

> > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars,

etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer

on, I feel like I'm dying!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away

from that laptop before finding some relief.

Even then you'll have to ration your time on

it. There may be another laptop out there that

you can tolerate a bit more - a netbook with a

solid state hard drive?. It's a grueling matter

of cherry picking. Forget about buidling a cage.

It won't work. Sorry about that power line by your

house. There's Very litte that can be done with low

frequency magnetic fields. Of course some EMF

geniouses here purport that very low frequency

magnetic fiels are harmless, and that we are only

feeling the dirty power. either way, get back to

us on the field strengths when you get your meter.

Eli

>

> Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive!

I am so glad to have found this focum!

>

> I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations

/ questions:

>

> My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

bedroom right next to the powerline?

>

> i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell.

Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and*

build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it

- I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick

after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours

a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this

and other emf-emitting devices?

>

> What blocks emf?

>

> Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those

silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

>

> Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for

this?

>

> And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

>

> Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to

get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

>

> PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc)

and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I

feel like I'm dying!

>

[Guest guest]

thanks ! Thinking about getting a fit-PC2 mini desktop - looks WAY more

tolerable than anything else I've looked at.

> >

> > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> >

> > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

considerations / questions:

> >

> > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

bedroom right next to the powerline?

> >

> > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell.

Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and*

build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it

- I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick

after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours

a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this

and other emf-emitting devices?

> >

> > What blocks emf?

> >

> > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> >

> > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for

this?

> >

> > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> >

> > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to

get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

> >

> > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars,

etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer

on, I feel like I'm dying!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away

> from that laptop before finding some relief.

I recall being sensitive enough (once) that I had to stay

at least 7-8 feet away from a laptop to stop being

adversely affected from it. And 25 feet from our

television set.

I've found that certain desktop computers can be

easier to be around than certain laptops, although

I don't think one can generalize that one type is

better than another.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hm, switching out laptops once in a while - interesting idea! Thanks.

> > >

> > > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

> sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> > >

> > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

> considerations / questions:

> > >

> > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate

> the bedroom right next to the powerline?

> > >

> > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

> swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6

> feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf

> coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I

> still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be

> on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a

> small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices?

> > >

> >

> >

> > > What blocks emf?

> > >

> > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What

> about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> > >

> > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I

> test for this?

> > >

> > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big

> challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a

big

> help!

> > >

> > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined

> sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that

> computer on, I feel like I'm dying!

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yeah, it does seem to be hard to predict which computer will affect me more

severely than others.

I'll buy more vca & usb cable extensions - maybe twenty feet will do the trick!

Thanks.

-

>

> > You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away

> > from that laptop before finding some relief.

>

> I recall being sensitive enough (once) that I had to stay

> at least 7-8 feet away from a laptop to stop being

> adversely affected from it. And 25 feet from our

> television set.

>

> I've found that certain desktop computers can be

> easier to be around than certain laptops, although

> I don't think one can generalize that one type is

> better than another.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Meh, already tried those see-through monitor screens. Nada. I think what I've

been hearing from all the emf-smart people here, including yourself, is

absolutely right -distance is key!

Thanks for the help!

-

> > > >

> > > > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> > > >

> > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

considerations / questions:

> > > >

> > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

bedroom right next to the powerline?

> > > >

> > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet)

*and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off

of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very

sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8

hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around

this and other emf-emitting devices?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > What blocks emf?

> > > >

> > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> > > >

> > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test

for this?

> > > >

> > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge

to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

> > > >

> > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined

sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that

computer on, I feel like I'm dying!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How the heck did you sit 25 feet away from the tv. I'm about 15 feet & still get

stung but not more room to move back any further!   Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: How to Make My Home Safe??

Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 11:57 AM

 

> You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away

> from that laptop before finding some relief.

I recall being sensitive enough (once) that I had to stay

at least 7-8 feet away from a laptop to stop being

adversely affected from it. And 25 feet from our

television set.

I've found that certain desktop computers can be

easier to be around than certain laptops, although

I don't think one can generalize that one type is

better than another.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> How the heck did you sit 25 feet away from the tv. I'm about 15 feet &

> still get stung but not more room to move back any further!   Loni

To get 25 feet away from the TV, I was sitting in the hallway! Fortunately,

that level of sensitivity was only temporary (adverse reaction from an

ionic foot bath), and these days I can watch TV from any distance

(although I'm usually ~10 feet away).

Marc

[Guest guest]

Oh ok ha ha! hallway is sad! I'm in the kitchen by now lol.  We just bought a

60 inch LCD LED HDTV Samsung so I hope it doesn't kill me! 

 

The catch 22 is that tv gets my mind off of this darn impairment but also

exposes me more to the toxin. Can't win!

 

Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: How to Make My Home Safe??

Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 6:56 AM

 

> How the heck did you sit 25 feet away from the tv. I'm about 15 feet &

> still get stung but not more room to move back any further!   Loni

To get 25 feet away from the TV, I was sitting in the hallway! Fortunately,

that level of sensitivity was only temporary (adverse reaction from an

ionic foot bath), and these days I can watch TV from any distance

(although I'm usually ~10 feet away).

Marc

[Guest guest]

I had a 46 inch projection tv once. It was a killer. I have to use 32 inch or

smaller old style console tv's.

[Guest guest]

Also does anyone know what a k shield is?

[Guest guest]

Hi There

In regards to running your computer on battery power, if you now connect to the

internet through an ethernet cable, it is also important to go into your

computers system preferences, and disable the wireless option, or make sure it's

turned off.

Also if your computer has blue tooth, make sure that is also turned off.

You may have already done this but just incase.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi there, my name is , I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf

> > > sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!

> > >

> > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of

> > > considerations / questions:

> > >

> > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the

> > > bedroom right next to the powerline?

> > >

> > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat

> > > swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6

> > > feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the

emf

> > > coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I

> > > still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to

be

> > > on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a

> > > small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices?

> > >

> > > What blocks emf?

> > >

> > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about

> > > those silver hoodies on lessemf.com?

> > >

> > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test

for

> > > this?

> > >

> > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge

to

> > > get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help!

> > >

> > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars,

> > > etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that

> > > computer on, I feel like I'm dying!

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