Re: Thanks for the idea about the radio!

[Guest guest]

Hello,

with such a radio you may pick up one or two frequencies.

However, in *dirty air*, there are a lot of disturbing frequencies, and over a

wide frequency band.

Please have a look at:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html

and then scroll down to: 10-04-2011 *Dirty air*.

Never mind the durtch language; it is the pictures that are important.

The first spectrumanalysis is made on a grounding line.

The second was made on a cooking stove.

Similar spectrumanalysises were made in the open air.

See, that between 2.000 and 5.000 kHz (or 2 and 5 MHz) as well as between 8.000

and 11.000 kHz (or 8 and 11 MHz) many spikes were present.

Many technical people will say, that the amount of the peaks are too low for

people te react, but that is not the case for electrosensitives, who may have

adverse health complaint from such small elektrosmog frequencies.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Thanks for the idea about the radio!

Hi emraware!

Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at

530kHz.

Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my

health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.

In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!

I'm confused ...

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[Guest guest]

Don't be confused. Not everyone reacts to every frequency band. Sounds

like the lower AM band is not what you are sensitive to.

> Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at

> 530kHz.

> Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my

> health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.

> In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!

> I'm confused ...

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dmirtriy,

First, the idea of the radio came from others on the forum, but I'm glad you

found it helpful!

Second, you are right. The AM radio is only one of several aspects to be looking

at. I looked at some new cars and found usually the car had either:

(a) High magnetic field with quiet AM radio, or

( Low magnetic field but with noisy AM radio -- some with just one type of

noise, and others with differently pitched noises, esp. the more features that

there are. You may need to look for the base models to get lower EMF.

Rarely will you find a new car with both low magnetic field and quiet AM radio,

due to the introduction of many more computers and electronics in the car, and

even then, it may still be bothersome b/c

EMF is a multi-headed monster of all different kinds: (1) AC electric (2) AC

magnetic (3) Digital harmonics on the AM radio (4) Wireless (those with

bluetooth, etc. maybe even some GPS's?) (5) who knows what else...

We are only measuring 2 aspects. I would like to know also if there are

additional meters I should be using to evaluate a car.

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> Hi emraware!

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> Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at

> 530kHz.

> Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my

> health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.

> In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!

> I'm confused ...

>

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[Guest guest]

Dont know if anyone has a meter to measure extremely low wavelength magnetic

fields, but I read a research paper a year or so ago that demonstrated that the

metal bands in tyres create strong magnetic fields when the car is moving at

speed. At a very low wavelength between 0 and 25hz.

Cheers

Charlie

From: emraware <emraware@...>

Subject: Re: Thanks for the idea about the radio!

Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:52

 

Hi Dmirtriy,

First, the idea of the radio came from others on the forum, but I'm glad you

found it helpful!

Second, you are right. The AM radio is only one of several aspects to be looking

at. I looked at some new cars and found usually the car had either:

(a) High magnetic field with quiet AM radio, or

( Low magnetic field but with noisy AM radio -- some with just one type of

noise, and others with differently pitched noises, esp. the more features that

there are. You may need to look for the base models to get lower EMF.

Rarely will you find a new car with both low magnetic field and quiet AM radio,

due to the introduction of many more computers and electronics in the car, and

even then, it may still be bothersome b/c

EMF is a multi-headed monster of all different kinds: (1) AC electric (2) AC

magnetic (3) Digital harmonics on the AM radio (4) Wireless (those with

bluetooth, etc. maybe even some GPS's?) (5) who knows what else...

We are only measuring 2 aspects. I would like to know also if there are

additional meters I should be using to evaluate a car.

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> Hi emraware!

>

> Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at

> 530kHz.

> Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my

> health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.

> In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!

> I'm confused ...

>

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[Guest guest]

Now that I think of it, I also remember Milham's book " Dirty Electricity "

mentioned his cheaper meter being able to measure 10 Hz magnetic fields from

steel-belted tires, which he claims more expensive meters did not measure.

Maybe the AM radio is also not sensitive for such low frequencies.

He mentions a couple meters here:

http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%20tire\

s.pdf

Beginning of Abstract:

" Magnetic fields emanate from radial tires due to the presence of reinforcing

belts which are made of magnetized steel wire. When these tires spin, they

generate alternating magnetic fields of extremely

low frequency (ELF), usually below 20 Hz. The fundamental frequency of these

fields is determined by tire rotation rate and has a sinusoidal waveform with a

high harmonic content. The static field of

radial tires can exceed 500 mT at the tread, and the tire-generated alternating

fields can exceed 2.0 mT at seat level in the passenger compartment of

vehicles. "

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[Guest guest]

Interesting information. But I have another suggestion: In gasoline engines

used aluminum (if exact, non-magnetic metal alloy) cylinders. And diesel engines

are used only solid magnetic alloys (like iron). Perhaps the movement of

cylinders causes the EMF. 14.04.11, 05:46, " emraware [via ] "

& lt;ml-node+2818603-1381960592-387445@... & gt;: & gt; Now that I think

of it, I also remember Milham's book " Dirty Electricity " mentioned his

cheaper meter being able to measure 10 Hz magnetic fields from steel-belted

tires, which he claims more expensive meters did not measure. Maybe the AM

radio is also not sensitive for such low frequencies.

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