It All Seems so Simple Now

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One can think " I struggle so hard at CR without success. "

However, if you were unaware of CR, and didn't struggle

at all... just imagine how tragic the results could be!

It is far better to feel, " I am a failure at CR " while continuing

to struggle, than not struggling at all -- both from a nutritional

point of view, and from a calorie point of view too.

Plus, certain aspects of " CR struggle " will remain a battle for

years. Then with continued adjustment, reorientation of personal

value systems, and a clearer perspective, those struggles will

disappear and evaporate. Personal growth takes time and patience.

The result will be, you will wonder why you ever had a struggle

at all ... It all seems so simple now!

The best mechanism for success is to experiment with ideas and

recipes from other people, gather more new knowledge from study,

while participating actively in CR discussions (here).

Attending local and regional meetings helps, and attending member

conferences helps too. Actively participate and help others,

and then you will truly help yourself.

Then later you will think, " It all seems so simple now! "

-- Warren

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On 23 May 2004, Peg wrote:

.... I've been studying the subject for years and years,

struggling to CR without much success but with relentless hope.

I see every evidence here in Florida that obesity is killing

and have great confidence that the CR lifestyle is the answer.

[Guest guest]

I'm still struggling with the definition of "set point", % CR, "healthy food", whether CR extends life in humans. Now, eating less is no challenge, losing weight is no challenge. Having someone to tell me what weight to get to - that's a challenge.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Warren

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:44 AM

Subject: [ ] It All Seems so Simple Now

Plus, certain aspects of "CR struggle" will remain a battle for years. Then with continued adjustment, reorientation of personalvalue systems, and a clearer perspective, those struggles will disappear and evaporate. Personal growth takes time and patience.-- Warren

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>>)One can think " I struggle so hard at CR without success. "

However, if you were unaware of CR, and didn't struggle

at all... just imagine how tragic the results could be!

It is far better to feel, " I am a failure at CR " while continuing

to struggle, than not struggling at all -- both from a nutritional

point of view, and from a calorie point of view too.

Plus, certain aspects of " CR struggle " will remain a battle for

years.

Its often been thought, that constant weight cycling had a negative effect on

health and mortality.

However, this study shows that as long as the " cycling " is with healthy foods,

that there is no negative effect. Bottom line,.... Keep Trying!!

JEff

Am J Clin Nutr. 1992 Jul;56(1 Suppl):209S-216S.

Weight Change, Weight Fluctuation, and Mortality

S. Goya Wannamethee, PhD; A. Gerald Shaper, FRCP; , MA

Objective: To examine the relation between weight

change and weight fluctuation (cycling) and mortality

in middle-aged men.

Methods: A prospective study of 5608 men aged 40 to

59 years at screening, drawn from one general practice

in each of 24 British towns. Changes in weight observed

during a 12- to 14-year period were related to mortality

during the subsequent 8 years.

Results: There were 943 deaths from all causes: 458 cardiovascular

disease (CVD) and 485 non-CVD deaths.

Those with stable weight or weight gain had the lowest

total, CVD, and non-CVD mortality. Sustained weight loss

or weight fluctuation (loss-gain or gain-loss) showed a

significantly higher mortality risk than stable weight even

after adjustment for lifestyle variables (relative risk [95%

confidence interval], 1.60 [1.32-1.95], 1.50 [1.17-

1.91], and 1.63 [1.24-2.14], respectively). Adjustment

or exclusion of men with preexisting disease markedly

attenuated the increased risk of CVD and total mortality

associated with sustained weight loss and weight gain-

weight loss. In long-term nonsmokers, any weight loss

since screening was associated with an increased risk of

mortality, but this was markedly attenuated by adjustment

for preexisting disease. Recent ex-smokers showed

the most marked increase in mortality associated with

sustained weight loss.

Conclusions: The increased mortality in middle-aged

men with sustained weight loss and weight fluctuation

(cycling) is determined to a major extent by disadvantageous

lifestyle factors and preexisting disease. The evidence

suggests that weight loss and weight fluctuation

(cycling) in these men does not directly increase the risk

of death.

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-----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Subject: Re: [ ] It All Seems so Simple Now

I'm still struggling with the definition of "set point", % CR, "healthy food", whether CR extends life in humans. Now, eating less is no challenge, losing weight is no challenge. Having someone to tell me what weight to get to - that's a challenge.

Regards.

[john roberts] ===========================

Welcome to the club. While I don't have hard scientific answers I have a few years worth of opinions.

re: Set-point & % CR: Who knows. While the body does have mechanisms that defend an apparent weight (level of energy store?), I expect we may have multiple set-points as the body adapts to recent behavior.

re: Healthy food: this is a relative issue. Some foods are healthier than others but in the context of satisfying balanced nutrition without excessive caloric load. What is a healthy food choice may depend on what you've already eaten today.

re: CR induced life extension: There seem to be a preponderance of evidence that there is a CR mechanism, even in longer lived mammals. Also little question that over feeding clearly shortens life. So moderate energy restriction is just prudent. Key questions to my thinking are how much benefit is available (my guess is less than demonstrated in lower life forms), and where does restriction become harmful?

Until we have better data, I will follow a moderate path.

JR

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