Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Industrial style fridges can have the compressor outdoors. Probably expensive. Put a stetzer filter in the same outlet with the fridge (unless your problem is ELF magnetic fields and you sleep in a room behind the fridge) or plug fridge into an isolating filter (eg model 475 iceradioproducts.com). Is it possible to find an old fashioned icebox? and blocks of ice to put in it? Old fridges were not built as energy efficient. So a newer one may be on less. On the other hand, the manual defrost kind don't spend energy blowing hot air then cooling down again. On 9/1/07, taylorjm <taylorjm@...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I feel like my fridge is causing most of my problems. > > Are they a problem for other people too? > > Do any of you know if any brands of refrigerators emit less pollution than > others? > > Judy > > " You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. > You can steer yourself any direction you choose. > You're on your own, and you know what you know. > And you are the one who'll decide where you'll go. " > Dr. Seuss: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 HI again Also wonderig what is best way to protect against EMF's from fridge. I get very clumsy when I am in there and my fridge reads quite HIGH with my tri field meter. I have seen some sort of shielding online and a timer but I don't know what is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 We suggest putting the refrigerator in a timer or switch, so it can be turned off at the necessary times. Emil > HI again > Also wonderig what is best way to protect against EMF's from fridge. I > get very clumsy when I am in there and my fridge reads quite HIGH with my > tri field meter. I have seen some sort of shielding online and a timer > but I don't know what is best. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Bruce made a circuit to use a motion sensor to turn off the switch when he's near. You can also run an extension cord to a switched outlet (be careful... " permanent " extension cords are considered a hazard and are a code violation). Don't use a cord meant for lamps only. Or get a new fridge... Conserv is the best bet, but not as big as most US models. SunFrost is also not bad, though kind of noisy in my opinion. A big piece of steel can reduce the field in the next room behind the fridge. On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...>wrote: > > > We suggest putting the refrigerator in a timer or switch, so it can be > turned off at the necessary times. > > Emil > > > > HI again > > Also wonderig what is best way to protect against EMF's from fridge. I > > get very clumsy when I am in there and my fridge reads quite HIGH with my > > > tri field meter. I have seen some sort of shielding online and a timer > > but I don't know what is best. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 has anyone heard of k shields? or reflextic? > > > We suggest putting the refrigerator in a timer or switch, so it can be > turned off at the necessary times. > > Emil > > > > HI again > > Also wonderig what is best way to protect against EMF's from fridge. I > > get very clumsy when I am in there and my fridge reads quite HIGH with my > > > tri field meter. I have seen some sort of shielding online and a timer > > but I don't know what is best. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Unless your frig is itself creating harmful frequencies, installing Stetzer filters on the A an B line of your home will cut down the " dirty electicity " frequencies being broadcast from the frig. if you are on city water, you may need to deal with frequencies on the incoming water pipe, as well. I have heard that ice makers create harmful frequencies, but have not tested one to see. Has anyone here? Even at the peak of my electrical sensitivity when i was a virtual walking meter, I never reacted to our frig at all. It's an old one. No ice maker. It does not add frequencies to the electricity. Just increases the field strength, and if the field is " clean " that does not cause symptoms. ES symptoms are caused by the frequencies present. Shivani www.LifeEnergies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Hello, please have a look at: http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina050.html As can be seen, the door of our fridge does emit a number of nasty frequencies. Stetzer filters do not help here. They can only see that these frequencies do not go into the mains electricitry net. But Stetzer filters can not do this job right, because they only work up to 150 kHz. It is clear, that frequencies from 3 MHz up to 16 MHz are transmitted, also into the air, what I call *dirty air*. Although hardliners would say, that the field strenght of these frequencies is not high (in order to cause heating effects), it is a fact, that electrosensitive people may react to these fields with adverse health effects. That is the reason why f.i. PUK experiences heavy trouble with the plasma TV from his neighbour across the street. He gets *dirty power* over the mains electricity net, and *dirty air* through the air. Mobile phone masts may also emit *dirty air*, because some electronic parts in their switching cabinets may cause this. I have a client who had a lot of dirty air in the corner of her house that way. I advised for mounting an outside grounding antenna. About half a meter from the roof-rain-gutter (facia) a copper tube was mounted against the housefront and leaded onto a good grounding rod. The copper tubing was optically insulated with foam against thieves. She now can use this side of the house, and even the cat is very satisfied. My point is, that a Stetzerizer meter only works up to 150 kHz. An Entech meter goes up to 800 kHz (one may hear local radio transmissions). And a spectrumanalyser may go to 20 or 30 MHz. I also use some detectors for quickly finding sources. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: fridge Unless your frig is itself creating harmful frequencies, installing Stetzer filters on the A an B line of your home will cut down the " dirty electicity " frequencies being broadcast from the frig. if you are on city water, you may need to deal with frequencies on the incoming water pipe, as well. I have heard that ice makers create harmful frequencies, but have not tested one to see. Has anyone here? Even at the peak of my electrical sensitivity when i was a virtual walking meter, I never reacted to our frig at all. It's an old one. No ice maker. It does not add frequencies to the electricity. Just increases the field strength, and if the field is " clean " that does not cause symptoms. ES symptoms are caused by the frequencies present. Shivani www.LifeEnergies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 What is A & B lines? Loni From: SArjuna@... <SArjuna@...> Subject: Re: fridge Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 7:59 AM Â Unless your frig is itself creating harmful frequencies, installing Stetzer filters on the A an B line of your home will cut down the " dirty electicity " frequencies being broadcast from the frig. if you are on city water, you may need to deal with frequencies on the incoming water pipe, as well. I have heard that ice makers create harmful frequencies, but have not tested one to see. Has anyone here? Even at the peak of my electrical sensitivity when i was a virtual walking meter, I never reacted to our frig at all. It's an old one. No ice maker. It does not add frequencies to the electricity. Just increases the field strength, and if the field is " clean " that does not cause symptoms. ES symptoms are caused by the frequencies present. Shivani www.LifeEnergies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 , That's good news that the plasma dirty power can be fixed. I'm still in beginner mode. How can we test our mains to see not only if it's okay but what we're picking up from neighbors? Thanks, Kathy From: charles <charles@...> Subject: Re: Re: fridge Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 1:47 PM Â Hello, please have a look at: http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina050.html As can be seen, the door of our fridge does emit a number of nasty frequencies. Stetzer filters do not help here. They can only see that these frequencies do not go into the mains electricitry net. But Stetzer filters can not do this job right, because they only work up to 150 kHz. It is clear, that frequencies from 3 MHz up to 16 MHz are transmitted, also into the air, what I call *dirty air*. Although hardliners would say, that the field strenght of these frequencies is not high (in order to cause heating effects), it is a fact, that electrosensitive people may react to these fields with adverse health effects. That is the reason why f.i. PUK experiences heavy trouble with the plasma TV from his neighbour across the street. He gets *dirty power* over the mains electricity net, and *dirty air* through the air. Mobile phone masts may also emit *dirty air*, because some electronic parts in their switching cabinets may cause this. I have a client who had a lot of dirty air in the corner of her house that way. I advised for mounting an outside grounding antenna. About half a meter from the roof-rain-gutter (facia) a copper tube was mounted against the housefront and leaded onto a good grounding rod. The copper tubing was optically insulated with foam against thieves. She now can use this side of the house, and even the cat is very satisfied. My point is, that a Stetzerizer meter only works up to 150 kHz. An Entech meter goes up to 800 kHz (one may hear local radio transmissions). And a spectrumanalyser may go to 20 or 30 MHz. I also use some detectors for quickly finding sources. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Re: fridge Unless your frig is itself creating harmful frequencies, installing Stetzer filters on the A an B line of your home will cut down the " dirty electicity " frequencies being broadcast from the frig. if you are on city water, you may need to deal with frequencies on the incoming water pipe, as well. I have heard that ice makers create harmful frequencies, but have not tested one to see. Has anyone here? Even at the peak of my electrical sensitivity when i was a virtual walking meter, I never reacted to our frig at all. It's an old one. No ice maker. It does not add frequencies to the electricity. Just increases the field strength, and if the field is " clean " that does not cause symptoms. ES symptoms are caused by the frequencies present. Shivani www.LifeEnergies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi Emil,  Sorry, I am only online now on Saturday evenings and Sunday mornings, so I am just reading your question to me.  Well, not that I know much about electro-magnetic frequencies (I don't; I am more of a figure things out according to your body language--what it is telling you--kind of person.  ) Since my fridge is in quadrant 1 of my house and my bedroom is in quadrant 4--in other words, my fridge is NOWHERE even close to my bedroom. It is on an outside wall on the complete opposite side of the house, in both directions (other half of house and on the opposite side of the house)--I would have to say that what I am experiencing with said fridge is possibly magnetic frequencies traveling on my metal-shielded house wiring??? I guess that moving the fridge that 6 " from the corner of 2 walls which have metal wiring going behind, must be enough to cut down on the magnetic frequencies traveling on the lines. If you have other ideas, I would welcome them.   Even tho I am doing fine now as is, we are presently entertaining the idea for and looking at all-gas fridges, since we have the potential to do without any electrical power for long stretches during the day time and during the times we are sleeping. But, moving the fridge was enough to make it tolerable for me to sleep at night with it on. (Btw, our electric bill is presently between $4.80 and approximately $20.00 (the months they guestimate it). So we are spending a grand total of approximately $12.50 per month on electricity now. lol We have gas hot water, stove, and an all gas furnace for heat; and, of course, our gas bill is now higher. I think we are saving some, tho, with switching to gas.  My 2 cents on the subject, Diane From: Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...> Subject: Re: Re: fridge Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 5:20 PM  Why do you think the 6 inch movement made a difference? Emil Re: Re: fridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hi Evie, > my fridge is NOWHERE even close to my bedroom. It is on an outside wall on the complete opposite side of the house Oh, I didn't get that before. So moving it 6 inches from the outside wall is making a difference. Hmmm... > metal wiring going behind, must be enough to cut down on the magnetic frequencies traveling on the lines. > Technically the word Magnetic can not apply here. It can't be the motor because purely magnetic fields are not affected by normal metals, and don't travel along wires. The wiring could be picking up EMF emissions like an antenna, but since it is already plugged into the wall, that is not really relevant. Only thing left I can think of, is if the corner wall has metal siding or metal lined insulation, it could be acting like a reflector (think satellite dish with the tiny FOCAL point), and if the fridge is newer, and emitting EMF, then the location could cause it to bounce toward your bedroom across the house. It's probably a stretch since the walls are not curved, but I have no other ideas. > looking at all-gas fridges, When I bought my first travel trailer, I found the compressor-driven fridge to be very noisy. When I traded it in, 4 months later, for attempt #2, I made sure I had a Norcold, amonia based fridge, with no motor. That worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hi, ,  THanks for the great info on gas fridges!  Well, there are metal strips around some of the windows and ceiling in at least some places. This was something I didn't know till we tore out a wall, because all of it is covered with plaster. Still, it seems hard to imagine that could cause RF to reflect thru 3 walls at a strange angle and end up near the bed. But I wouldn't know what else it would be if it couldn't be caused by the motor being too close to the wiring. I originally had the fridge out to paint the walls and noticed it didn't bother me there. But when I put it back in place it did. So I tried moving it out again, and with some playing with it, I found that worked at about 6 " from the 2 walls.  Thanks again, . I will follow your advise on gas fridges! Diane aka Evie From: S son <sandreas41@...> Subject: Re: Re: fridge Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 10:52 AM  Hi Evie, > my fridge is NOWHERE even close to my bedroom. It is on an outside wall on the complete opposite side of the house Oh, I didn't get that before. So moving it 6 inches from the outside wall is making a difference. Hmmm... > metal wiring going behind, must be enough to cut down on the magnetic frequencies traveling on the lines. > Technically the word Magnetic can not apply here. It can't be the motor because purely magnetic fields are not affected by normal metals, and don't travel along wires. The wiring could be picking up EMF emissions like an antenna, but since it is already plugged into the wall, that is not really relevant. Only thing left I can think of, is if the corner wall has metal siding or metal lined insulation, it could be acting like a reflector (think satellite dish with the tiny FOCAL point), and if the fridge is newer, and emitting EMF, then the location could cause it to bounce toward your bedroom across the house. It's probably a stretch since the walls are not curved, but I have no other ideas. > looking at all-gas fridges, When I bought my first travel trailer, I found the compressor-driven fridge to be very noisy. When I traded it in, 4 months later, for attempt #2, I made sure I had a Norcold, amonia based fridge, with no motor. That worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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