Re: Flying American Airlines

October 3, 2011

> I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me

> (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

difference).

The last time I flew, I reserved my seats in the back of the plane (so there was

nobody sitting behind me), but when I got to the airport they reassigned my

seats because " nobody would want to sit back there " ... :-)

Also, there is more space between you and the seat in front of you in the

exit rows.

But yeah, LCD screens embedded in the seats sound nasty... fortunately

I've never been in a plane that has these...

Marc

October 3, 2011

I always try to get exit row seats but last time I flew American they were only

available to Economy Plus passengers ($500 more expensive!).

I never, ever sleep on planes. The first time I flew between UK and Hawaii I

took a sleeping pill but still ended up awake for 48 hours (could sleep the day

after either). Now realize the radiation probably disrupted my melatonin

production.

This world is becoming more and more difficult to live in......

Aline

>

> > I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me

> > (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

difference).

>

> The last time I flew, I reserved my seats in the back of the plane (so there

was

> nobody sitting behind me), but when I got to the airport they reassigned my

> seats because " nobody would want to sit back there " ... :-)

>

> Also, there is more space between you and the seat in front of you in the

> exit rows.

>

> But yeah, LCD screens embedded in the seats sound nasty... fortunately

> I've never been in a plane that has these...

>

> Marc

>

October 3, 2011

Conrad recommends a particular brand of inositol for sleep and emf

resistance. I've found it helps w/ sleep. Have not tried on a plane.

I flew southwest recently. They had wi-fi, but I did OK.

My strategy now is to get on when there are only about 10

seats left, so you can choose a seat without computer users next to you.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, alinepapille <haikuron@...> wrote:

> **

>

> Hi,

>

> Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I

> am going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

>

> Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats -

> even if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am

> hoping a hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as

> RF.

>

> Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

> these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind

> me (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

> difference).

>

> Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general.

> I think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper

> than the others right now.

>

> Thanks,

> Aline

>

October 3, 2011

Hi Aline,

If you have not purchased a silverall hoodie from Less EMF, I personally would

not recommend one. They are very expensive and the fabric is very flim flam for

an item of clothing. Also, if you are trying to block Electro of the EMF, I

believe the fabric has to be grounded???

I suggest purchasing some fabric, preferrably reflective, such as ArgenMesh --

enough to put over the back of the seat and enough to put over your body like a

blanket to hide under. Whether any of these fabrics, if not grounded, will

block the EMF coming from the screens, I do not know.

But I made wide use of ArgenMesh during my trip to Los Angeles, the very pit of

cell tower radiation. It is like the lining in your coat: very light weight so

that you can fold it easily and put it in your suitcase and it hardly takes up

any room and weights very little. But remember these fabrics should not make

contact with your skin. Maybe put a sheet betweeen it.

So now, you can block your whole body, head to toe, from whatever RH is flying

around inside the plane and you can also use it when you get to the hotel to put

over your blankets on your bed, to drape on the wall to block whatever RH might

be coming thru the window, etc. In my opinion, a much better investment for a

trip. You can also line a cape with it.

Of course, the silverall hoodie has its applications as well.

I make no guarantee that your travelling partner will not call you a crazy nut

though.

ALSO.......remember that the safest part of the plane is the front and over the

wings. The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to

crash data statistics. And if you have MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity) like

I do, the back of the plane is the worst for smells. You get hit with fumes

from the toilet and also the jet fuel fumes. So things to consider.

Happy Flying

C.

Superdrove

From: alinepapille <haikuron@...>

Subject: Flying American Airlines

Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 7:16 PM

Hi,

Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am

going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even if

yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am hoping a

hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.

Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me

(not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

difference).

Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I

think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than

the others right now.

Thanks,

Aline

October 3, 2011

> The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash

data statistics.

Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back

of the plane.

But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will

be someone

behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating

configuration, there

may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that

people

bring with them.

Marc

October 3, 2011

Yes that would be awful, not tolerable at all. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Flying American Airlines

Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 12:25 PM

Â

> I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me

> (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

difference).

The last time I flew, I reserved my seats in the back of the plane (so there was

nobody sitting behind me), but when I got to the airport they reassigned my

seats because " nobody would want to sit back there " ... :-)

Also, there is more space between you and the seat in front of you in the

exit rows.

But yeah, LCD screens embedded in the seats sound nasty... fortunately

I've never been in a plane that has these...

Marc

October 3, 2011

Yes I didn't get much out of the silver camosol I purchased from lessemf. But I

was thinking if you double up on them maybe they work better. But yes expensive

trial. Loni

From: alinepapille <haikuron@...>

Subject: Flying American Airlines

Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 7:16 PM

Â

Hi,

Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am

going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even if

yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am hoping a hoodie

from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.

Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me

(not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

difference).

Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I

think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than

the others right now.

Thanks,

Aline

October 3, 2011

I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Flying American Airlines

Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM

Â

> The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash

data statistics.Â

Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back

of the plane.

But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will

be someone

behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating

configuration, there

may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that

people

bring with them.

Marc

October 3, 2011

Hello Loni,

this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.

Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?

Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton

Re: Flying American Airlines

Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM

> The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash

data statistics.

Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back

of the plane.

But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will

be someone

behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating

configuration, there

may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that

people

bring with them.

Marc

October 3, 2011

Well, she's merely replying to different topics -- it does take more effort for

someone

to reply to multiple e-mails in a single e-mail. And then the " thread " of

discussion is

lost for those later following it via 's web interface.

But yes, consolidating things into a single e-mail can be preferable to a series

of

one-liner messages.

Also, taking the time to edit the message you are replying to (as I have done

below) is *supposed* to be done on email discussion groups, but very few people

seem to do this anymore.

Marc

On Monday, October 03, 2011 11:47 PM, " charles " <charles@...>

wrote:

> Hello Loni,

> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.

October 3, 2011

Yes I'm not talking like twitter and chat box which I find offensive .

But you have been quite rude in the past with others as well.

Â

I only comment on what others are talking about. Not just jibberish.

Â

Thanks Marc. I do go in spurts. Sometimes I can't tolerate the computer at all

and then I will read some posts and find I would like to participate. It may

look like a lot of posts but others I have noticed do the same.

Â

My posts are usually very short because I can't tolerate the computer for long

as well.

Â

Just sayin!Â Loni

> Hello Loni,

> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.

October 3, 2011

It's assigned seating with international travel. And I'm talking around 20 hours

flying time........

>

> > **

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I

> > am going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

> >

> > Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats -

> > even if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am

> > hoping a hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as

> > RF.

> >

> > Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

> > these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind

> > me (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

> > difference).

> >

> > Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general.

> > I think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper

> > than the others right now.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Aline

> >

>

October 3, 2011

Thanks C (?), that is some very helpful info. I like the idea of covering the

back of my seat with it! I'm traveling alone (an urgent family visit - I

wouldn't put myself through this for pleasure). I'm beyond caring what anyone

thinks!

It's quite likely the plane will not be full as it's low season so I may even

get to lie down.

I know it won't block electro-magetic fields but are you saying it won't block

electric fields unless it is grounded? And how do electric fields differ on a

plane vs from the grid?

Thanks again,

Aline

>

> From: alinepapille <haikuron@...>

> Subject: Flying American Airlines

>

> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 7:16 PM

>

> Hi,

>

> Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am

going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

>

> Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even

if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am hoping a

hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.

>

> Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

>

> these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me

(not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a

difference).

>

> Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I

think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than

the others right now.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Aline

>

October 4, 2011

I quite agree with you and see how posts that could help people are

literally buried under 'chit chat'. It never used to be a few years ago.

People come here often disabled and suffering from the effects of the technology

that is killing them and because of it of course many are unable to work and

don't have money for expensive things that may not work.

It's a good point you made.

Maureen

UK

>

> From: Marc <marc@...>

> Subject: Re: Flying American Airlines

>

> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM

>

> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to

crash data statistics.

>

> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the

back of the plane.

> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

>

> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there

will be someone

> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating

configuration, there

> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics

that people

> bring with them.

>

> Marc

>

October 4, 2011

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.

Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold

that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.

But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to

spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering

monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults

were NOT an issue a few years ago.

Lizzie

From: maureenan2@...

Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:10:37 +0000

Subject: Re: Flying American Airlines

I quite agree with you and see how posts that could help people are

literally buried under 'chit chat'. It never used to be a few years ago.

People come here often disabled and suffering from the effects of the technology

that is killing them and because of it of course many are unable to work and

don't have money for expensive things that may not work.

It's a good point you made.

Maureen

UK

>

> From: Marc <marc@...>

> Subject: Re: Flying American Airlines

>

> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM

>

> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash

data statistics.

>

> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back

of the plane.

> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

>

> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will

be someone

> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating

configuration, there

> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that

people

> bring with them.

>

> Marc

>

October 4, 2011

> Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.

> Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold

> that speaks to specific issues.

Yes, is a support group. If someone is looking for a more concise/

organized/structured document, then they should be looking for a website

or a book.

I agree that some of the postings here could be improved:

- one-liner responses replaced with something more substantial

or consolidated into single messages

- not replying to everything if there is nothing really new to add

- better trimming of original messages when hitting " reply "

Marc

October 5, 2011

I hear good things about the Argen Mesh fabric at 60% attenuation.Â So far,

I've only tried the Soft N Safe fabric (50% attenuation).Â It is rose colored

and very feminine, flowing... It was the first thing to work for me, made me

somewhat sane in public again.Â I must fold it one time for it to work.Â If I

fold it more than once, it seems to be too much and singled it still lets in

more radio waves than I can stand.Â I have yet to try the others as Loni said

they are very expensive.Â I tried to have it made into a jumper but it seemed

like too much.Â Plus, I'll have to have my seamstress add some high performance

silver mesh over the seams.Â There's still way too much leakage. I read where

Bill Bruno talks about seam leakage.Â Wow...unreal.Â Does anyone enjoy this

yet?

Â

I found the cloak to be most helpful.Â I intend to expound upon that design and

see if it can be improved upon.Â The bad thing is that the fabric, as pretty as

it appears from a distance, doesn't hold up well.Â It's antimicrobial but

stains easily, is difficult to handwash and they say you can't wash it often or

it will lose its effectiveness. So... but I do intend to keep trying until I

find the right combination.Â Lessemf fabrics are still much less expensive than

Swiss Shield fabrics which don't even have as much attenuation.Â Good Luck.Â

I'm suppose to fly for the first time since 1999 and prior to coming down with

EHS.Â From listening to you all, I'm not looking forward to it.Â But my trip

should only be about 2 hours to Florida if that long.Â Peace.

Â

Pam