Re: Radiation Shield Paints

May 3, 2011

Hello Ole,

Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

Emil DeToffol

Less EMF Inc.

809 Madison Ave.

Albany NY 12208 USA

tel: +1-518-432-1550

www.lessemf.com

Radiation Shield Paints

> Hi Folks,

>

> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the availability

> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ole

>

> ------------------------------------

>

May 3, 2011

Hello Emil,

Â

Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

Â

Gratefully,

Â

Ole

From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...>

>

>Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

>Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

>

>Â

>Hello Ole,

>

>Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

>We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

>

>Emil DeToffol

>Less EMF Inc.

>809 Madison Ave.

>Albany NY 12208 USA

>tel: +1-518-432-1550

>www.lessemf.com

> Radiation Shield Paints

>

>> Hi Folks,

>>

>> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

>> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the availability

>> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

>> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Ole

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

May 3, 2011

I would think an air tube headset with long extension cord might be a safer bet.

(How would you paint your cell phone ?) Cell phone radiation is quite strong

locally and would probably easily penetrate a 60 dB barrier.

>

> Hello Emil,

> Â

> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> Â

> Gratefully,

> Â

> Ole

>

> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...>

> >

> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> >

> >Â

> >Hello Ole,

> >

> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> >

> >Emil DeToffol

> >Less EMF Inc.

> >809 Madison Ave.

> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> >www.lessemf.com

> > Radiation Shield Paints

> >

> >> Hi Folks,

> >>

> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the availability

> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> Ole

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------

> >>

May 4, 2011

My query was for reducing or blocking outside radiation from cellular towers and

communication.Â Are you saying that Y-shield

paintings with a screening reduction between 43-45dB is not sufficient?Â There

are some real life examples in the pdf document

at http://www.yshield.com/pdf/YSHIELD-EN-ShieldingPaints.pdf

From: emraware <emraware@...>

>

>Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 2:56

>Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

>

>Â

>

>I would think an air tube headset with long extension cord might be a safer

bet. (How would you paint your cell phone ?) Cell phone radiation is quite

strong locally and would probably easily penetrate a 60 dB barrier.

>

>>

>> Hello Emil,

>> Ã‚Â

>> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

>> Ã‚Â

>> Gratefully,

>> Ã‚Â

>> Ole

>>

>> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...>

>> >

>> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

>> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

>> >

>> >Ã‚Â

>> >Hello Ole,

>> >

>> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

>> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

>> >

>> >Emil DeToffol

>> >Less EMF Inc.

>> >809 Madison Ave.

>> >Albany NY 12208 USA

>> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

>> >www.lessemf.com

>> > Radiation Shield Paints

>> >

>> >> Hi Folks,

>> >>

>> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

>> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the availability

>> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

>> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

>> >>

>> >> Thanks,

>> >>

>> >> Ole

>> >>

>> >> ------------------------------------

>> >>

May 4, 2011

WindowsÂ are more important than walls. I did my bedroom in the paint & didn't

work. Someone here said you cannot use it as a faraday type cage. Best uses on

bocking a wall and ceiling I guess. Not sure the technicals behind it but

perhaps someone can comment on.

Â

Loni

ue, 5/3/11, emraware <emraware@...> wrote:

From: emraware <emraware@...>

Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:56 PM

Â

I would think an air tube headset with long extension cord might be a safer bet.

(How would you paint your cell phone ?) Cell phone radiation is quite strong

locally and would probably easily penetrate a 60 dB barrier.

>

> Hello Emil,

> Ã‚Â

> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> Ã‚Â

> Gratefully,

> Ã‚Â

> Ole

>

> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...>

> >

> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> >

> >Ã‚Â

> >Hello Ole,

> >

> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> >

> >Emil DeToffol

> >Less EMF Inc.

> >809 Madison Ave.

> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> >www.lessemf.com

> > Radiation Shield Paints

> >

> >> Hi Folks,

> >>

> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the availability

> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> Ole

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------

> >>

May 4, 2011

Sorry my misunderstanding-- your email mentioned:

" radiation shield paints that can block radiation from mobile phones "

I meant to warn that 45 dB may not be enough for mobile phone radiation. For

outside cellular towers and communications, though, it is weak enough that 45 dB

is probably enough, if done properly.

Just be aware that radiation shielding paints may spread electrical fields. I

suppose grounding might help, but some others on this forum seemed to mention

things getting worse after they painted with conductive paint, even when they

turned off the electricity.

Personally I prefer something less permanent than paint, so that if I make a

mistake, I can remove it.

> >>

> >> Hello Emil,

> >> Ã‚Â

> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> >> Ã‚Â

> >> Gratefully,

> >> Ã‚Â

> >> Ole

> >>

> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> >> >

> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> >> >

> >> >Ã‚Â

> >> >Hello Ole,

> >> >

> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> >> >

> >> >Emil DeToffol

> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> >> >www.lessemf.com

> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> >> >

> >> >> Hi Folks,

> >> >>

> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

availability

> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks,

> >> >>

> >> >> Ole

> >> >>

> >> >> ------------------------------------

> >> >>

May 5, 2011

Thanks for the clarification and the extra info, greatly appreciated! I will try

and find the earlier postings on this topic. Thanks!

From: emraware <emraware@...>

>

>Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2011, 3:53

>Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

>

>Â

>Sorry my misunderstanding-- your email mentioned:

> " radiation shield paints that can block radiation from mobile phones "

>

>I meant to warn that 45 dB may not be enough for mobile phone radiation. For

outside cellular towers and communications, though, it is weak enough that 45 dB

is probably enough, if done properly.

>

>Just be aware that radiation shielding paints may spread electrical fields. I

suppose grounding might help, but some others on this forum seemed to mention

things getting worse after they painted with conductive paint, even when they

turned off the electricity.

>

>Personally I prefer something less permanent than paint, so that if I make a

mistake, I can remove it.

>

>> >>

>> >> Hello Emil,

>> >> Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

>> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

>> >> Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

>> >> Gratefully,

>> >> Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

>> >> Ole

>> >>

>> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

>> >> >

>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

>> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

>> >> >

>> >> >Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

>> >> >Hello Ole,

>> >> >

>> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

>> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

>> >> >

>> >> >Emil DeToffol

>> >> >Less EMF Inc.

>> >> >809 Madison Ave.

>> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

>> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

>> >> >www.lessemf.com

>> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

>> >> >

>> >> >> Hi Folks,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

>> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

availability

>> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in cinemas

>> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and 4G.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Thanks,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Ole

>> >> >>

>> >> >> ------------------------------------

>> >> >>

May 5, 2011

This is slightly worrying as I am currently in the process of painting my

bedroom! Is there anything that can be done to guard against the spread of

electrical fields in a painted room? I have already grounded the paint, and am

covering the floor with aluminium insulating foil (under the carpet) to prevent

radiation from coming in from below. My window has protective film on it and I

am also buying some aluminium blinds for a bit of extra protection.

Obvously I have not spent any length of time in the room yet as it is not

finished but I am hopeful it will give me an area of relative calm for when I'm

asleep at least! Any extra advice would be welcome...

> >> >>

> >> >> Hello Emil,

> >> >> Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> >> >> Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >> >> Gratefully,

> >> >> Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >> >> Ole

> >> >>

> >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >> >> >Hello Ole,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

> >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

availability

> >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in

cinemas

> >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G and

4G.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Thanks,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Ole

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

If you are making a complete enclosure,

and all the shielding is grounded to the same ground,

AND you don't have live electric wires INSIDE the shielded area,

then the electric potential will be equal on all surfaces. You will have no

electric field inside, regardless of voltage on the ground.

Emil

Radiation Shield Paints

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can block

> >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

> >> >> >> availability

> >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in

> >> >> >> cinemas

> >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G

> >> >> >> and 4G.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Thanks,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Ole

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

I agree with Emil. If there are any penetrations by wires you

need to have a filter right there grounded to the shield, with

no leaks in the shield. Small holes are OK but no penetrations

or long gaps or cracks.

Bill

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Emil at Less EMF Inc

<lessemf@...>wrote:

>

> If you are making a complete enclosure,

> and all the shielding is grounded to the same ground,

> AND you don't have live electric wires INSIDE the shielded area,

> then the electric potential will be equal on all surfaces. You will have no

>

> electric field inside, regardless of voltage on the ground.

>

> Emil

>

> Radiation Shield Paints

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can

> block

> > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

> > >> >> >> availability

> > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in

> > >> >> >> cinemas

> > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G

> > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> Ole

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

Cheers for the advice.

One thing, when you say 'penetrations' do you mean plug sockets? Or are they ok

to be left uncovered? I wont have any electrical devices in the room at all...

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> >

> > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> >

> > > >> >> Ole

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> >

> > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > >> >> >>

> > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can

> > block

> > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

> > > >> >> >> availability

> > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication in

> > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM, 3G

> > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > >> >> >>

> > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > >> >> >>

> > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > >> >> >>

> > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

What you don't want is a hole in the shield with a wire going through the

hole.

If you have an unshielded outlet there will be leakage.

Ideally any holes should be less than 1/2 inch.

The best way with outlets would be to use metal junction boxes

and compression fitting to metal conduits to a filter.

They used to make metal covered outlet covers for outdoors.

If the outlets are live, think safety first.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM, chelseapaul1010

<pbarnes@...>wrote:

>

> Cheers for the advice.

>

> One thing, when you say 'penetrations' do you mean plug sockets? Or are

> they ok to be left uncovered? I wont have any electrical devices in the room

> at all...

>

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > >

> > > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > >

> > > > >> >> Ole

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > >

> > > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can

> > > block

> > > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

> > > > >> >> >> availability

> > > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication

> in

> > > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM,

> 3G

> > > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > > >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

Could this be why I can't sleep in my bedroom. I have the Y shield paint plus

the window shielding Have the paint grounded by a metal strip that goes all the

way around the room to the the outlet.

But no cover on the outlets. Just seems like a little area to cause my so much

pain????

Loni

>

> Cheers for the advice.

>

> One thing, when you say 'penetrations' do you mean plug sockets? Or are

> they ok to be left uncovered? I wont have any electrical devices in the room

> at all...

>

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > >

> > > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > >

> > > > >> >> Ole

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > >

> > > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that can

> > > block

> > > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about the

> > > > >> >> >> availability

> > > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking communication

> in

> > > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block GSM,

> 3G

> > > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > > >> >> >>

> > > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > > >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

Grounding to the outlet might not be good from the

point of view of EMFs (it does add safety in the event

of a hot wire touching the paint, especially if the wire is big enough so

the breaker will trip).

The outlet is connected to the power company at your

panel (unless you've gone to an isolated ground system)

so it has dirty power on it. There is a ground rod probably

at the panel but that's not very low impedance at all so it

doesn't get rid of all of the high frequencies (not even all

the low frequencies probably).

A painted wall has some some intrinsic capacitance, and

could also have conductivity or capacitance to ground.

Try holding your AM radio near the ground wire. If you

pick up a buzz, or even if the radio stations suddenly are

received at new frequencies, they you've created a ground

path.

A big choke in the system might help. If there is very good

conductance to ground from the wall you can safely remove

the ground wire. But usually to get it that good you have to

install several ground rods 8' apart and have good soil.

If there is nothing electrical that can possibly touch the paint,

remove the wire and see if that feels better.

You have to do something about the outlets and the wiring.

Y-shield paint will not block dirty power frequencies.

Maybe you can disconnect hot neutral and ground

at the panel for that circuit. There still could be

capacitance between those wires and other wires.

Are all electronics unplugged at night?

Bill

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

> Could this be why I can't sleep in my bedroom. I have the Y shield paint

> plus the window shielding Have the paint grounded by a metal strip that goes

> all the way around the room to the the outlet.

>

> But no cover on the outlets. Just seems like a little area to cause my so

> much pain????

>

> Loni

>

> >

> > Cheers for the advice.

> >

> > One thing, when you say 'penetrations' do you mean plug sockets? Or are

> > they ok to be left uncovered? I wont have any electrical devices in the

> room

> > at all...

> >

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > >

> > > > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > >

> > > > > >> >> Ole

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > >

> > > > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that

> can

> > > > block

> > > > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about

> the

> > > > > >> >> >> availability

> > > > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking

> communication

> > in

> > > > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block

> GSM,

> > 3G

> > > > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

Hi,

What is " an isolated ground? "

Lizzie

>

> From: wbruno@...

> Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 14:12:43 -0600

> Subject: Re: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

>

> Grounding to the outlet might not be good from the

> point of view of EMFs (it does add safety in the event

> of a hot wire touching the paint, especially if the wire is big enough so

> the breaker will trip).

>

> The outlet is connected to the power company at your

> panel (unless you've gone to an isolated ground system)

> so it has dirty power on it. There is a ground rod probably

> at the panel but that's not very low impedance at all so it

> doesn't get rid of all of the high frequencies (not even all

> the low frequencies probably).

>

> A painted wall has some some intrinsic capacitance, and

> could also have conductivity or capacitance to ground.

>

> Try holding your AM radio near the ground wire. If you

> pick up a buzz, or even if the radio stations suddenly are

> received at new frequencies, they you've created a ground

> path.

>

> A big choke in the system might help. If there is very good

> conductance to ground from the wall you can safely remove

> the ground wire. But usually to get it that good you have to

> install several ground rods 8' apart and have good soil.

>

> If there is nothing electrical that can possibly touch the paint,

> remove the wire and see if that feels better.

> You have to do something about the outlets and the wiring.

> Y-shield paint will not block dirty power frequencies.

> Maybe you can disconnect hot neutral and ground

> at the panel for that circuit. There still could be

> capacitance between those wires and other wires.

> Are all electronics unplugged at night?

> Bill

>

> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Could this be why I can't sleep in my bedroom. I have the Y shield paint

> > plus the window shielding Have the paint grounded by a metal strip that goes

> > all the way around the room to the the outlet.

> >

> > But no cover on the outlets. Just seems like a little area to cause my so

> > much pain????

> >

> > Loni

> >

> > >

> > > Cheers for the advice.

> > >

> > > One thing, when you say 'penetrations' do you mean plug sockets? Or are

> > > they ok to be left uncovered? I wont have any electrical devices in the

> > room

> > > at all...

> > >

> > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >

> > > > > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >

> > > > > > >> >> Ole

> > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >

> > > > > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > > > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > > > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > > > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > > > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > > > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > > > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > > > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that

> > can

> > > > > block

> > > > > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about

> > the

> > > > > > >> >> >> availability

> > > > > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking

> > communication

> > > in

> > > > > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > > > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block

> > GSM,

> > > 3G

> > > > > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >> >> >>

May 5, 2011

Suppose you were to

(A) Plug in a lamp (ungrounded) in a completely shielded, grounded room (doesn't

matter if it's on or off, it still has electrical fields if it's plugged in)

( Stand on your grounded floor close to the lamp. Since you are a conductor,

some of that electricity from the lamp may now ground through you.

To lessen this effect, maybe the following would help?

(a) Grounding any electrical sources like the lamp that are plugged in the room

so they have a path to ground other than you

( Insulate yourself from being on a conductive path to the room just as an

electrician should wear rubber shoes to avoid being on the path to the ground

when working with electricity? e.g., with nonconductive furniture (unfinished

wood bed frame for example)

Anyway, I don't know if any of these suggestions will actually help... but just

food for thought.

> > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >

> > > > > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >

> > > > > > >> >> Ole

> > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > >

> > > > > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > > > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > > > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > > > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > > > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > > > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > > > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > > > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that

> > can

> > > > > block

> > > > > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about

> > the

> > > > > > >> >> >> availability

> > > > > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking

> > communication

> > > in

> > > > > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > > > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block

> > GSM,

> > > 3G

> > > > > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >> >> >>

May 6, 2011

Right, thanks for the info guys, I'm officially getting worried now! lol. I

guess I wont know for sure until I actually finish the room and spend some time

in it. I still have one wall to paint, which is and internal wall that does not

face outdoors or either of my neighbours. I'm wondering if it might be worth

keeping this unpainted so any stray microwaves bouncing about can leve he room

without entering my body? Just a thought, what do you reckon?

Really I just wanted to protect from outside microwave radiation and that's what

I painted those three walls first. I might do some tests before I finish the

job. This is a real minefield though, the last thing I want is to feel worse

after shelling out so much money on it!

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> Hello Emil,

> > > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> >> Thanks very much! I see this is available in the EU as well.

> > > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > > > >> >> Gratefully,

> > > > > > > >> >> Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> >> Ole

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> From: Emil at Less EMF Inc <lessemf@>

> > > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011, 15:49

> > > > > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> >> >Ãfâ?sÃ,Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> >> >Hello Ole,

> > > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> >> >Yes, see http://www.lessemf.com/paint.html

> > > > > > > >> >> >We offer 2 RF shielding paints: CuPro-Cote and Y-Shield.

> > > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> >> >Emil DeToffol

> > > > > > > >> >> >Less EMF Inc.

> > > > > > > >> >> >809 Madison Ave.

> > > > > > > >> >> >Albany NY 12208 USA

> > > > > > > >> >> >tel: +1-518-432-1550

> > > > > > > >> >> >www.lessemf.com

> > > > > > > >> >> > Radiation Shield Paints

> > > > > > > >> >> >

> > > > > > > >> >> >> Hi Folks,

> > > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> >> I need some leads/links to radiation shield paints that

> > > can

> > > > > > block

> > > > > > > >> >> >> radiation from mobile phones. I recall having read about

> > > the

> > > > > > > >> >> >> availability

> > > > > > > >> >> >> of these some years ago ie. used for blocking

> > > communication

> > > > in

> > > > > > > >> >> >> cinemas

> > > > > > > >> >> >> etc. They have to work across the mw spectrum to block

> > > GSM,

> > > > 3G

> > > > > > > >> >> >> and 4G.

> > > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> >> Thanks,

> > > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> >> Ole

> > > > > > > >> >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >> >> >>

May 6, 2011

Exactly what I did. Good Luck & let us know!Â Loni

From: chelseapaul1010 <pbarnes@...>

Subject: Re: Radiation Shield Paints

Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 1:06 AM