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Hi ,

Thanks for that. I am not great with needles but I can manage, however 15-20 minutes that sounds rough. So why was your GP giving you this cocktail? His idea or yours? Did he have the supplies there or were these ordered in? and most importantly, did you get any benefit even out of one shot?

I find it really interesting that he gave you this, as I thought the NHS did not feel supplementation was of any benefit, you should be able to get all you need from food. I had the interesting experience once when in the midst of a chronic D n V stage, that I dared asked for Dioralyte on scipt, and the GP said no, I should eat a banana!

lol,

Wannette

From: <pauljennings1977@...>Subject: Re: supplementsthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 7 July, 2008, 9:50 AM

Hi Wannette,Yes I have had a Vitamin intravenious injection. It was called the"Myers Cocktail". It contained the following:Magnesium chloride hexahydrate 20% 2-5 mL MagnesiumCalcium gluconate 10% 1-3 mL CalciumHydroxocobalamin 1,000 mcg/mL 1 mL Vitamin B12Pyridoxine hydrochloride 100 mg/mL 1 mL Vitamin B6Dexpanthenol 250 mg/mL 1 mL Vitamin B5B complex 100 1 mL Vitamin B complexVitamin C 222 mg/mL 4-20 mL Vitamin CIt was administered by my GP and took about 15-20 minutes.I am very sensitive to needles and was under quite a lot of painduring the procedure so didn't bother doing it again. However, don'tlet that put you off. I think it was just me.

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Hi all

           

I, too,  would be dead if it were not for  taking

supplements for almost 30 years.  I think back

how people used to say, " But you get all the

nutrients you need from a healthy diet " .  My

answer was, " Where do we find that healthy diet? "

Another thing about the " healthy diet " is that

some of have to work at a full time job and

take care of a home and children.  Time does

not allow for doing all the right things.  I wish

it had been so.

         

I think now, that supplements may have helped

those of us who took them more than we know.

        

I am not a diabetic but I was a heavy smoker for

over 30 years.  Other smokers were dropping

dead around me but I am still here.  I quit 9 years

ago but quitting at that late stage does not keep

you from getting cancer, etc.  It is keeping your

body in an alkaline state that can prevent cancer

and other diseases. We can discuss that in

another thread, if desired.

               

Now as I look back, I believe that many of the

supplements I took helped to alkalize my body. Raw

fruits and vegetables do this, too, of course, and

let us not forget Coconut Oil which gets rid of

toxins and fungus.

                

While I definitely agree that getting your nutrients

from raw fruit and vegetables is the best way, it is

not always possible.  I was so poor at one stage

of my life, I ate mostly macaroni every day.  I found

I could eat for 20¢ a day.  But I knew it was not

enough so I supplemented with a cheap multi vitamin/

mineral.  This went on for a number of years. Thank

God, that time is now past and I hardly ever eat

pasta.

               

We are warned by those in-the-know and those not in-

the-know not to take too much Vitamin C, for example.

I have been taking 3000 mg of Vitamin C every single

day for about 30 years.  If I don't take it, I get sick

and miserable. 

                

It was in the 80's or so that I began getting an unusual

number of headaches and I couldn't figure out why. Well

thank God for those sinus headache commercials, I began

to wonder if that was what my problem was but also

thinking that I didn't feel stuffed up or anything. I thought

I would try taking some Vitamin C instead of a pain killer.

I took about 2000 mgs all at once and in 20 minutes my

headache was gone.  I experimented and found eventually

that my ideal dosage needed to be 3000 mg per day and

that for best results, I needed to take it all at once. I

knew that it would be good to take another dose in the

day but it was more than I could afford and my dosage

seemed to be working.  I rarely miss a day and when I

do, I begin having sinus problems.  Otherwise, I don't

even know I have sinuses.  And I never have a cold. I

believe it is because my sinuses are being kept clear with

the Vitamin C.  I have a theory about why we get colds.

If anyone wants to hear that, I will put it in another

email.

There's a lot more could be said for supplements but

this email is long enough.

Just one last comment....

I am convinced that the adverse news we are

hearing lately about supplements being bad for us

is a ploy of the drug companies.  They don't want us

to be taking them because they know they work ..thus

hurting their bottom line.  They also want to bring in

the CODEX guidelines and they are trying to get us

mentally ready for that.  No, the drug companies don't

want us to die; they just want us to be sick as long as

possible.

Helen

 

> Looks like isolated nutrients, synthetically made. Cheap? You get

> what you pay for -- full of fillers. What color is it? Artificial

> colors? Where do they get the ingredients for it? What is the

> capsule made of, veggie or horses hooves? Is there coal tar in the

> capsule? Or other preservatives? Is there sugar in it?

>

> Your body is not designed to digest isolated nutrients, but rather to

> extract them from real food. Eat food.

>

> Carol

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Becca,

I actually take 1500mg of powdered magnesium nightly (in capsules) for the purpose of combatting constipation! (Don't you love how we can discuss any topic on this forum?) Yes, you should take some calcium with magnesium as they both help the other work better cellularly. (That's as scientific as I get!) Zinc is also been known to help many with sinus issues when they occur. Does taking zinc help those of us who live with chronic sinus issues? I don't know and have never taken it faithfully.

Jane

From: Becca <rebeebit@...>Subject: Supplementssamters Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:21 PM

From what I've read, it's good to take Magnesium with Calcium. I'm currently taking a supplement that has Ca, Mg, and Zinc (I think Zinc was mentioned as being helpful in controlling rhinitis), and the supplement also includes Vitamin D. I also read that taking stinging nettle helps reduce your histamine response, so for those of us with allergies, it might help too. I get a little sick of all the drugs I have to take, and the supplements are cheaper, so it would be great if they worked.Oh, watch out on your Mg intake--if you take the recommended dose all at once, it can cause some gastrointestinal distress. Also, some sources recommend dosing Mg according to your body weight, so the recommended 500 milligrams would be for a larger person. I forget the dosage--I'm probably going to stick with 250-375 mg per day.Becca & quot;Dogs have masters, while cats have

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> morning everyone; i am continuing to try to reintroduce my

> supplements one by one but they do upset my stomach. if one had to

choose the best

> supplement to take what would it be ? your considered opinions will

> be gratefully received ! regards jane

Hi Jane,

l can empathise with you on this problem. l take one complete A-Z

tablet from Boots. lt doesn't have everything on your list of

supplements but it does have 24 of the daily recommended nutrients

in one tablet and most of them contain 100% of the daily requirements.

rx

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Hi Jane, vit C is recommended by this group and many doctors, selenium is highly recommended,co10 is good if you have high blood pressure,and Siberian ginseng is for adrenal hormonesupport and is very good.it is a matter of choice which one`s you take.we are all individualso may benefit from many of the same things. but after thyroid medicine I would put seleniumnext which have been proved to help those with auto-antibodies.regards angel.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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> Hi Jane,

> l can empathise with you on this problem. l take one complete A-Z

> tablet from Boots. lt doesn't have everything on your list of

> supplements but it does have 24 of the daily recommended nutrients

> in one tablet and most of them contain 100% of the daily requirements.

> rx

> P.S. Powdered vitamin C maybe worth trying in a fruit drink or

even soda pop drink. rx

> >

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I second this Angel - most definitely Selenium MUST be at the

very top of the list.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Jane, vit C is recommended

by this group and many doctors, selenium is highly recommended,

co10 is good if you have high blood pressure,and Siberian ginseng is for

adrenal hormone

support and is very good.it is a matter of choice which one`s you take.we are

all individual

so may benefit from many of the same things. but after thyroid medicine I

would put selenium

next which have been proved to help those with auto-antibodies.

regards angel.

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Is anybody familiar with the following Internet Pharmacy

for buying supplements etc. It seems an excellent source, but unfortunately,

doesn't do higher doses of Q10 other than 30 mgs. They do have vitamin B 3 at

the higher dose though and I would think this pharmacy a good place for many of

us. says they are very quick, next day delivery and she didn't have to

pay p & p on her last order.

www.zipvit.com.

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hi sheila; i have used zipvit for some time, they are very quick

and reliable. also, for those of us with joint aches and pains ,

they do glucosamine & chondriton as a liquid mixture which is quite

good. i use it and give it to the old lurcher as well. it is worth

while getting their catelogue as the website isn't the best. regards

jane

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> Is anybody familiar with the following Internet Pharmacy for buying

supplements etc. It seems an excellent source, but unfortunately,

doesn't do higher doses of Q10 other than 30 mgs. They do have

vitamin B 3 at the higher dose though and I would think this pharmacy

a good place for many of us. says they are very quick, next

day delivery and she didn't have to pay p & p on her last order.

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> www.zipvit.com. 0800 0282875

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***> I have had a look at the nutritional supplements eg Vit C and milk

thistle etc on the website - Are these supplements for both Hypo and

Hyper?

Hi ,

To the best of my knowledge, Vit C is a good supplement for most people

- hypo or hyper.... Milk Thistle is a supplement to help cleanse the

liver from toxins (often used after extensive medication).

Whilst many therapists recommend to take Vit C supplementation

indefinitely, Milk Thistle should not be used on a permanent basis.

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Hi ,

Why is this? I have been on it for years, and have not had any advice for years concerning supplements so had not heard this. How long do you think it is ok to take it for? I have probably been on it for well over 20 years - can't remember really.

Val

Milk Thistle should not be used on a permanent basis.

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*** Milk Thistle should not be used on a permanent basis.*** Why is this?

Hi Val,

Whilst moderate use of milk thistle is very safe, there is experimental evidence** that suggests that long term use of milk thistle will eventually suppress liver function.

I was told this by the veterinarian Dr. Dodds, when I asked her advice on safe usage of milk thistle. One of my dogs had an autoimmune disease and had to be on a prednisolone and immunosuppressant drug combo for life (for 9 consecutive years, as it worked out). She advised to detox his liver with milk thistle in 4-6 monthly intervals, rather than to keep him on it indefinitely.

Best wishes,

** Those were human experimental research studies

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Thanks .

Whilst moderate use of milk thistle is very safe, there isexperimental evidence** that suggests that long term use of milk thistlewill eventually suppress liver function. I was told this by theveterinarian Dr. Dodds

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The think you have to keep in mind is that there are things that disrupt the values. Mercury being one. Cutler calls it mineral transport issues. It escapes me which values will be high when you have mercury but I believe it is calcium, magnesium and potassium. You can read more about it here http://tinyurl.com/dld5s5

The long and the short of it is - because it is high on the hair test doesn't mean it is really high in the cells. Just like your hair can be low in Hg and you are really toxic if you are a binder.

Supplements

I have been taking the recommended supplements for a few months now and I finally got my hair mineral analysis test results back and it shows that I am in magnesium overload. And that my iodine levels are way too high too. Should I slow down on the magnesium and iodine?

Mia

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Oh okay, yes I think I heard had about

that before, I did test positive for mercury too in my hair I got tested for

toxic metals at the same time that they tested minerals. I posted my results

online for Cutler and his group to see them and am waiting for them to

respond to them, they are great at reading this sort of testing, so I will wait

and see what they say about it.

Thanks !

Mia

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iodine

Subject: Re: Supplements

The think you have to

keep in mind is that there are things that disrupt the values. Mercury

being one. Cutler calls it mineral transport issues. It escapes me

which values will be high when you have mercury but I believe it is calcium,

magnesium and potassium. You can read more about it here http://tinyurl.com/dld5s5

The long and the short of it is - because it is high on the hair

test doesn't mean it is really high in the cells. Just like your hair can

be low in Hg and you are really toxic if you are a binder.

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In a message dated 4/14/2009 7:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, miaharrod@... writes:

And that my iodine levels are way too high too. Should I slow down on the magnesium and iodine?

Mia...what are the labs reference ranges for mag and iodine? My guess is that your levels are fine but their ranges are low. Just a thought.

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My doctor actually took me off all supplements. She said that there is a lot of

stored nutrients in fat so they are not needed when fat is released. I have to

say that I was a bit skeptical, but it was fine. My skin cleared up and hair and

nails were fine.

>

> Can everyone who has completed a round send me information on the supplements

that you have taken. I have done one round and the only thing I added was

fiberall and probiotics...oh and b12. WOndering about what else has been taken

like for hair and nails. Thanks Shell

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i tried the Lifecaps to curb my appetite but didnt work for me much.

of course, i think some of my hunger is hormonal and in my mind, as i am menopausal.

maybe i should try more than just 1 capsule per day, as it suggests on the bottle.> >> I(snipped) would be very interested in what supplements everyone is > taking, if any, and what has worked the best for people.

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HI michael

There is no chlorox in MMS,,I take it every day and I use

your Black Box blood purifier for electrification and it has not

done anything to me yet..You need to do some study on MMS

before you make these comments.It is obvious that you

have not tried MMS.

A.R

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ha! MMS is clorox with an additional molecule of oxygen. You could get so sick from blood electrifying while having this chemical toxin in your blood.

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MMS is Sodium chlorite (NaClO2)... which on reaction breaks down to chlorine

dioxide (ClO2). It's the ClO2 that does the work.

The body has plenty of protection against oxidation due to an enzyme called

glutathione peroxidase (actually a series of enxzymes):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutathione_peroxidase

....and the body uses oxidation from sources like hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)... via

peroxisomes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroxisome

Chlorox is:

NaOCl (Sodium hypochlorite)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hypochlorite

Given that it's used to disinfect water and also used in dental work it's not

very dangerous except when it's highly concentrated.

MMS also makes a VERY good mouth wash... and is also used to disinfect water

(it's an industrial water cleaner).

Interestingly Wormwood (Artemisin) is now being used as the basis of a series of

anti-malarial drugs due to the oxidising action of it's peroxide bonds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisinin

....and has now spun off research into a whole new line of anti-malarials

(because you can't patent a natural product).

:-)

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> HI michael

> There is no chlorox in MMS,,I take it every day and I use

> your Black Box blood purifier for electrification and it has not

> done anything to me yet..You need to do some study on MMS

> before you make these comments.It is obvious that you

> have not tried MMS.

> A.R

> Re: supplements

>

>

> ha! MMS is clorox with an additional molecule of oxygen. You could get so

sick from blood electrifying while having this chemical toxin in your blood.

>

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I know not to take my Armour before having blood work done, but what about Iodoral? Should I avoid that too? How about other supps? I'm getting blood work done tomorrow and I want it to be perfect so I can maintain my thyroid dose. I'm finally feeling whole!

BarbF

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Interesting you should mention this at this time, Margaret

I have recently started Lysine as a 'just in case' endeavour, as i read there

are links between gluten, herpes and sleep apnea. I have also seemed to have a

small persistent (what I think to be a dormant cold) sore at the corner of my

mouth.

I came across this interesting site, http://www.zombieinstitute.net with the

author's story here:

http://www.zombieinstitute.net/MyExperiments.htm

The author has done quite a bit of research, I have mailed her and she's been

quite helpful. She may be able to advise of any research.

Chris

>

I just wonder how many hypothyroid/autoimmune sufferers have had the herpes

virus...

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> Margaret

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Hi,

I have read that Lysine can raise your cholesterol as I was thinking of taking

it. But when first dianosed as hypo my cholesterol was 7.9 (its down to 4 now),

so I don't want to take a chance with anyting that will raise it.

Thanks

a

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> Interesting you should mention this at this time, Margaret

>

> I have recently started Lysine as a 'just in case' endeavour, as i read there

are links between gluten, herpes and sleep apnea.

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Have you read what Barry Groves and Holford have to say on cholesterol?

I believe that P Holford says homocysteine's a more important risk factor for

heart problems?

have also read that high cholesterol is a hypo-t symptom. gloria hunniford got

hers down with thyroid treatment, not the magic margarine she advertises.

lysine's an amino acid in food; i gather that if you avoid certain foods

containing arginine this causes a better balance of the two amino acids, making

it harder for herpes to flare up. that was my understanding, may be wrong.

chris

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> I have read that Lysine can raise your cholesterol as I was thinking of taking

it. But when first dianosed as hypo my cholesterol was 7.9 (its down to 4 now),

so I don't want to take a chance with anyting that will raise it.

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